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Texans_Chick
08-16-2013, 05:20 PM
Why isn't Martin returning punts/kicks? In my opinion, he's the most capable returner right now. He's fast and quick.

Keo's the guy who showed up at the combine with 20% body fat as a defensive back. Fail. And he's supposed to be returning kicks and punts? Please tell me it's a joke.

I wonder if they want to lighten Martin's load a bit to see what he can do with less responsibility on teams. And also to see some plan B's since Bonner has been missing some time with his hamstring. Hamstring issues are a bother because they heal when they heal and you can't tough your way through them. Body says run, leg says HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Texn4life
08-16-2013, 07:26 PM
Wrong thread, but Demps just took back a Kickoff for a TD for the Chiefs........ The Eagles might as well let Maehl return kicks at this point. At least we can say we groom great returners.

thunderkyss
08-16-2013, 07:52 PM
Could be Keo is saving a gear that nobody has ever seen, not even himself ?
But seriously, maybe Keo is better than Martin when it comes to ball security, atleast that's how the coaching staff may very well feel and that's all that really counts, and ultimately the #1 priority for kick and punt return guys is hanging onto the ball.
But why all the abuse for Shiloh, why not be happy for a guy who is clearly not a superior physical specimen or gifted athlete, but apparently has overcome his physical limitations to perhaps carve out his own little niche in the NFL.

Perhaps Martin may be having trouble earning a spot as just a WR & Shilo is having trouble earning a spot as just a Safety.

b0ng
08-16-2013, 08:18 PM
Most TC tweets/reports have said Martin has been doing very well in camp.

CloakNNNdagger
08-16-2013, 10:45 PM
Most TC tweets/reports have said Martin has been doing very well in camp.

History has thus repeated itself. But when the lights go on in ~3 weeks, there better be historical separation from last year.

Texans_Chick
08-17-2013, 08:31 AM
History has thus repeated itself. But when the lights go on in ~3 weeks, there better be historical separation from last year.

Actually, Martin's camp this year is MUCH better than last year. So it isn't just history happening again.

I think that some of the hype out of last year's camp was pro-Martin because Kubiak had to pick one of the rookies to feature, and he was the most consistent out of a very inconsistent group.

But seriously, in camp, Martin has looked much better than the non-Andre, DeAndre guys, and he was doing it a lot against first team defense.

I was surprised by his performance the first preseason game. He can't have that keep happening.

(As an aside, the only person who gets more angry at dropped balls than Kubiak is Hopkins. Very angry body language, even in drills).

TexansFTW
08-17-2013, 11:59 AM
Wrong thread, but Demps just took back a Kickoff for a TD for the Chiefs........ The Eagles might as well let Maehl return kicks at this point. At least we can say we groom great returners.

This is getting ridiculous. When is enough, enough?

Fire Joe Marciano immediately. Non-stop poor assessment of special teams talent. Gave up the 2nd most yards on returns last year... I'm done.

I can be a super pessimist sometimes, but I'm starting to get this sinking feeling in my stomach that we are going to lose in the AFC championship game to the Broncos and the difference is going to be a T Holliday kick returned to the house.

Marciano and Martin/Keo/Manning/whoever, please prove me wrong or please have Marciano exit from the building.

The Pencil Neck
08-17-2013, 12:18 PM
This is getting ridiculous. When is enough, enough?

Fire Joe Marciano immediately. Non-stop poor assessment of special teams talent. Gave up the 2nd most yards on returns last year... I'm done.

I can be a super pessimist sometimes, but I'm starting to get this sinking feeling in my stomach that we are going to lose in the AFC championship game to the Broncos and the difference is going to be a T Holliday kick returned to the house.

Marciano and Martin/Keo/Manning/whoever, please prove me wrong or please have Marciano exit from the building.

god that would suck.. lol

CloakNNNdagger
08-17-2013, 12:45 PM
This is getting ridiculous. When is enough, enough?

Fire Joe Marciano immediately. Non-stop poor assessment of special teams talent. Gave up the 2nd most yards on returns last year... I'm done.

I can be a super pessimist sometimes, but I'm starting to get this sinking feeling in my stomach that we are going to lose in the AFC championship game to the Broncos and the difference is going to be a T Holliday kick returned to the house.

Marciano and Martin/Keo/Manning/whoever, please prove me wrong or please have Marciano exit from the building.

Wasn't it Tommy Lasorda that once said something like "Nothing succeeds like failure. Marciano obviously sees himself as a successful disciple.:shades:

b0ng
08-17-2013, 12:50 PM
Since this is the part where we complain about Marciano:

Watch KC's special teams play at some point this season (pre or regular doesn't matter). Then think about how that was the same ST's coach (Dave Toub, who will probably come up for a HC job at some point) that was with Chicago with Lovie Smith for all those years they had excellent ST's.

Texans could've probably landed that guy too if they had wanted, if he's successful, the team would be highly successful and would probably speed up a possible promotion. This is my biggest complaint from the offseason, is that we didn't ****can Marciano and hire that guy.

CloakNNNdagger
08-17-2013, 01:53 PM
Since this is the part where we complain about Marciano:

Watch KC's special teams play at some point this season (pre or regular doesn't matter). Then think about how that was the same ST's coach (Dave Toub, who will probably come up for a HC job at some point) that was with Chicago with Lovie Smith for all those years they had excellent ST's.

Texans could've probably landed that guy too if they had wanted, if he's successful, the team would be highly successful and would probably speed up a possible promotion. This is my biggest complaint from the offseason, is that we didn't ****can Marciano and hire that guy.

But...but...but we hired Marciano an assistance that can extend his teachings.........:mcnugget:

Lucky
08-17-2013, 01:57 PM
This is getting ridiculous. When is enough, enough?

Fire Joe Marciano immediately. Non-stop poor assessment of special teams talent. Gave up the 2nd most yards on returns last year... I'm done.
If we are speaking of coaching, then yes I agree. I don't know how you can lay the talent assessment on Coach Joe. He banged the table on draft day for Holliday. He kept pushing Holliday out there. It was Kubiak and Rick Smith that felt Holliday wasn't one of the 53 best players on the team. They've given Marciano the lemons and Coach Joe has turned them into...lemons.

Playoffs
08-18-2013, 03:08 PM
Houston Texans ‏@HoustonTexans
Kubiak: we've kept punter Shane Lechler out as precaution.

Kubiak: we got good news yesterday on Ed Reed. Has been working w hip specialist in Atlanta, was here at game last night.

Kubiak: no decision will be made on a backup QB until after preseason.

Kubiak: Schaub will play majority of game vs Saints next week.

Kubiak: Arian Foster still has a sore back, won't practice tomorrow. Neither will Mercilus.

Kubiak: we expect Posey & Williams on practice field tomorrow.

Kubiak: Hopkins is better today, will start the concussion protocol tomorrow.

Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26
Gary Kubiak didn't rule out keeping 3 quarterbacks. Both T.J. Yates & Case Keenum played well last night as they compete for back-up QB job.

Gary Kubiak says they've received good news on progress of safety Ed Reed, who remains on PUP. Kubiak said Reed was w/ the team last night.

Gary Kubiak says decision on back-up QB could be made week of opener.
They both r making it real hard on me. Both r playing very well.

Gary Kubiak says Arian Foster has had some injections to help with his sore back and they are working through that process.

Gary Kubaik says WR DeVier Posey, who has been on PUP, is expected back on the field tomorrow.

Gary Kubiak says RB Arian Foster (sore back) will not be on the field tomorrow. Doctors determined yesterday Foster needs a few more days.

Marc Vandermeer ‏@TexansVoice
Kubiak: QBs have all played well. Schaub will play most of game vs Saints. Decision later in the week on who is first off bench

Kubiak: no Whitney tomorrow. Still out with hamstring.

Kubiak: Arian's back needs a few more days. Has had injections to alleviate soreness.

Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith
'The running back picture is concerning to me' - #Texans' Arian Foster won't return to practice; receiving injections

#Texans' Arian Foster had injections before first preseason game. Has had MRIs. "Everything looks fine," Kubiak said. #NFL

#Texans' Kubiak "not there yet" regarding being concerned about Arian Foster being ready for season opener. Is concerned about reps, though.

#Texans received "good news" about Ed Reed and he is "ahead." Trying to "push toward" beginning of season. "Lot of good progress." #NFL

#Texans' Kubiak said Yates, Keenum decision not imminent. Could share time for final game vs. #Cowboys. #NFL

No change between Yates, Keenum. #Texans' Matt Schaub will play majority of game vs. #Saints.

#Texans' Kubiak said Swearinger made a football play on #Dolphins' Keller. Said all tackling targets are now "shoulders down" in #NFL.

#Texans' Arian Foster is going through an "injection process" for back that is causing some soreness.

#Texans plan to continue to rest Arian Foster (back) because of soreness. Will likely rest a few more days.

#Texans' Posey, Williams will return Monday. Arian Foster not expected to return.

#Texans' DeAndre Hopkins is "better" and will start concussion protocol. #NFL
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
Kubiak said he's concerned about his return game. "We've got to do it better," he said. Karim will return kicks against Saints.

Kubiak said he hasn't decided if he'll keep 3 QBs, but it's hard to imagine him keeping 2 based on how well Yates and Keenum have played.

Kubiak said Foster got injections before Minnesota game and he said "They tell me these injections take time. We're taking our time."

Kubiak said none of backs competing for 3rd spot has separated himself although Deji Karim has a slight advantage.

WR DeVier Posey will come off PUP and join his teammates at practice Monday. Has recovered from Achilles surgery in February.

Kubiak said WR DeAndre Hopkins is better but will undergo concussion protocol.

S Shiloh Keo (quad contusion) has a better chance of playing against Saints than Eddie Pleasant (knee sprain). CB Brandon Harris may move.

Kubiak said Foster has back pain that's gone into his legs. I don't think he'll play in preseason.

Arian Foster will not return to practice Monday. Doctors told Gary Kubiak he needs more days off. Got injections in back to alleviate pain

NT Terrell McClain, who didn't start impressing anyone until preseason games, is a solid No. 2 behind Earl Mitchell. McClain's been superb.

With Ed Reed on PUP, Shiloh Keo (quad contusion) and Eddie Pleasant (knee) out, CB Brandon Harris might have to move to safety.

Adam Wexler ‏@awexler
Kubiak said Keo (quad) is day-to-day, should be ok for Sun. Eddie (Pleasant) also day-to-day, but not quite as close as Keo #Texans

Kubiak: Arian Foster will not be back tomorrow. Doctors say he needs a few more days (at least) before he gets out there #Texans

MistaRed
08-18-2013, 03:39 PM
How did Arian mess up his back? Starting to get concerned.

Playoffs
08-18-2013, 03:48 PM
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Playoffs
08-18-2013, 03:49 PM
How did Arian mess up his back? Starting to get concerned.

Doc CND thinks it's a compensating injury for the calf.

infantrycak
08-18-2013, 03:58 PM
Doc CND thinks it's a compensating injury for the calf.

Yes

Porky
08-19-2013, 10:47 AM
I don't listen to 610 a ton, but heard a while ago them discussing ST and as it regards Kubiak's penchant for conservatism on 3rd downs.

I mean I think they had a point about how the Texans on 3rd down almost always play it safe unless something is wide open. So, you constantly see the QB's using the check down option to a back or TE or underneath WR route hoping they can then run for it. That drives me crazy.

So, obviously that means you are playing the field position game. Yet, you don't apparently care enough about field position to make the change in the offseason that could potentially yield better results. It's very much an oxymoron. I mean I love coach Joe the man. But he stinks as a coach. He needed to be gone, and Kubes has put his stamp of approval on being 32nd in a 32 team league so this is now on Kubes!

Texn4life
08-19-2013, 11:38 AM
So I'm guessing this will be a normal game week of practice right? On the field today and off day tomorrow?

ObsiWan
08-19-2013, 11:44 AM
So I'm guessing this will be a normal game week of practice right? On the field today and off day tomorrow?

I believe that's correct; Monday (or the day after game day) is film review then the next day is an off day (or treatment day for gimpy ones) and Weds is back to the grind.

ObsiWan
08-19-2013, 11:45 AM
So I'm guessing this will be a normal game week of practice right? On the field today and off day tomorrow?

I believe that's correct; Monday (or the day after game day) is film review then the next day is an off day (or treatment day for gimpy ones) and Weds is back to the grind.
Rinse. Repeat.

Brisco_County
08-19-2013, 12:29 PM
I don't listen to 610 a ton, but heard a while ago them discussing ST and as it regards Kubiak's penchant for conservatism on 3rd downs.

I mean I think they had a point about how the Texans on 3rd down almost always play it safe unless something is wide open. So, you constantly see the QB's using the check down option to a back or TE or underneath WR route hoping they can then run for it. That drives me crazy.

So, obviously that means you are playing the field position game. Yet, you don't apparently care enough about field position to make the change in the offseason that could potentially yield better results. It's very much an oxymoron. I mean I love coach Joe the man. But he stinks as a coach. He needed to be gone, and Kubes has put his stamp of approval on being 32nd in a 32 team league so this is now on Kubes!

I'm wondering if this is going to change when Lechler doesn't need the extra yards. Might as well throw it on 3rd and long.

76Texan
08-19-2013, 01:53 PM
I believe that's correct; Monday (or the day after game day) is film review then the next day is an off day (or treatment day for gimpy ones) and Weds is back to the grind.
Rinse. Repeat.

I thought I hear something about Kubiak giving the players Sunday off then they would be back today (probably for film room like you said), and back to work on Tuesday?

76Texan
08-19-2013, 01:53 PM
I'm wondering if this is going to change when Lechler doesn't need the extra yards. Might as well throw it on 3rd and long.

I sure hope so.

thunderkyss
08-19-2013, 04:56 PM
I'm wondering if this is going to change when Lechler doesn't need the extra yards. Might as well throw it on 3rd and long.

I think we're putting the onus on the wrong guy here. I believe it was Matt that chose the check down, or maybe even changed to a run/draw play on those 3rd & long situations.

I'm hoping it was because he didn't like his receiving options. I've heard Kubiak & Schaub talk about how coverages take away Andre.. I just find that hard to believe. But even if that was the case, I'd rather they snap the ball, give him a chance, then throw it away if it's not there.

But with DeAndre getting into the mix, Graham becoming a much better receiver, & Schaub getting more comfy with LeStar & KeShawn Matt will trust his route combinations & go with the play.

At the same time, everybody throws the ball underneath from time to time in 3rd & long situations. We need to expect our receivers to make a play & get us that first down when needed.

Matt threw a wheel route to Ben Tate the other day on 3rd & long. As Tate approached the line, he did a little dance to try & juke the defender at the sticks.... if I were Chick Harris I'd have had him on the sideline giving him the what for. We don't need him to pick up 30 yards. We need him to drop his shoulder & run through anyone dumb enough to camp on the first down marker.

We picked up the first anyway, but the "situational recognition" Ben showed there, shouldn't be acceptable.

CloakNNNdagger
08-19-2013, 09:05 PM
I thought I hear something about Kubiak giving the players Sunday off then they would be back today (probably for film room like you said), and back to work on Tuesday?

I believe that Kubiak is giving the players off tomorrow, then return for contact practice Wednesday.

CloakNNNdagger
08-19-2013, 10:45 PM
Injury comments by Kubiak after today's practice:


(on if there are any injury updates) “No, pretty much what I told y’all yesterday, (OLB) Whitney (Mercilus) did not make it back today. (RB) Arian (Foster) did not make it back today. (T Brennan) Williams made it back and (WR DeVier) Posey made it back. DeVier looked good running around. Williams didn’t do much, just some individual stuff, so we’ll see.”

(on if he still presumes RB Arian Foster will be back to open the season) “Yes, I am because I watch him work. I’ve been watching him. He’s basically going through practices or has been since we’ve been in camp on his own with (Head Athletic Trainer) Geoff (Kaplan) and obviously there’s been a little setback as we try to get the soreness out of him. From what I’ve seen, yes, because it’s not like he’s been standing around for the last three weeks, but obviously want to get him back out here as quick as we can.”

(on if he has a date in mind for when RB Arian Foster will be back) “Guys, if I had a one, I would give it to you.”

(on if there’s not a date for when panic sets in if RB Arian Foster is not back) “Well, today was my date and that one didn’t work. We just have some patience here and, everything they’re telling us, I listen to and they’re very positive about everything. We’ll just have to see.”

(on WR DeVier Posey being back at practice) “Yeah, it’s just you’re proud of him number one, and boy, has he worked. I think we went into this thing thinking he probably wasn’t a decision about PUP earlier, but now, depending on how this week and next week goes, we’ve got a decision to make. So if he’s ready to go earlier this season that we thought, that’s going to be a big plus for our team.”

(on what WR DeVier Posey has been able to accomplish) “First off, at the end of the year last year, he was playing like a starter for us. Let’s remember that, he was playing a lot of football and playing well. He’s a very confident kid. He was playing good for (special teams coordinator) Joe (Marciano). Boy, it would be a big bonus if he’s ready to go.”

(on if he sees OLB Whitney Mercilus playing in the preseason) “Well, we are concerned because we thought he would definitely be back today. We were working all along towards New Orleans. Now, that doesn’t mean we’re still not going to get there. It’s only Monday. We start our week on Wednesday, but Whitney’s a very young player. He needs to play. We’ve got to do what we’ve got to do to get him healthy. They said no, not yet. That’s all I can do.”

(on if there’s anything new on the injuries at safety) “(FS Shiloh) Keo’s doing really good. He actually took some portions of practice today. (SS) Eddie (Pleasant) did nothing, but I think I told you guys that Keo will be ahead of Eddie as far as Keo’s got a good chance to play this week. Eddie, I don’t know.”

(on if it’s going to be tough for the safety position on Sunday with all of the injuries) “(S Orhian) Johnson’s back too, which we had a concern in the game. Not quite in as bad of shape as we were during the game with those guys being out. If Keo makes it back and Johnson is fine this week, I think we can hold up.”

(on the young safeties) “The thing I’ve been impressed with, they got better on special teams because that’s been most of their work and then obviously they’ll play a lot this week and next week. (S Orhian) Johnson’s a big body. (CB Travis) Howard’s done some good stuff on special teams, the other corner. But we’ll see. They’re fixing to play a lot.”

(on if there is anything new on FS Ed Reed) “No, we’re just going through the same protocol that we did last week. We sent him back to Atlanta because it’s such a positive step for him. All I Know is all indications are things are going really, really good. We’re trying to listen to him and make sure we’re doing the right thing.”

(on if the work FS Ed Reed is doing in Atlanta is really helping him) “Yeah, it’s good for his confidence. I know that because that’s the guy he went through the process with before. (Head Athletic Trainer) Geoff Kaplan’s worked with him and done a good job. We’ll proceed with that this week and probably have the actual surgeon look at him before this week is out.”

(on if there’s no way WR DeAndre Hopkins can play Sunday) “Yeah, you could. There’s five stages, but there’s certain stages; you can pass like two stages in a day. I don’t know exactly how they all come about, but I will say this, he’s not feeling very good today. So he’s not out here at all. We’ll start over again tomorrow and see where we’re at. There’s always a chance you can play the following week depending on how quickly you’re involved in the protocol process.”

According to NFL Concussion Protocol, Hopkins is almost assured of not being allowed to return for Sunday's game.

Playoffs
08-20-2013, 09:20 AM
Injury comments by Kubiak after today's practice:

According to NFL Concussion Protocol, Hopkins is almost assured of not being allowed to return for Sunday's game.

Well, Hopkins not feeling well on Monday means its a real deal concussion and strike one for him. Important for Hopkins to be 100% honest with team doctors and not cover up symptoms just to get back on the field sooner. Texans need to be very cautious with him... this could last a while.

HOU-TEX
08-20-2013, 09:47 AM
Well, Hopkins not feeling well on Monday means its a real deal concussion and strike one for him. Important for Hopkins to be 100% honest with team doctors and not cover up symptoms just to get back on the field sooner. Texans need to be very cautious with him... this could last a while.

It's sorta concerning how easily he was concussed. I know it doesn't take much to cause a concussion, but he looked to have barely grazed the turf on the play I think it happened.

I guess my point is, and to be blunt, if he's concussed that easily he might have issues early in his career

CloakNNNdagger
08-20-2013, 10:12 AM
It's sorta concerning how easily he was concussed. I know it doesn't take much to cause a concussion, but he looked to have barely grazed the turf on the play I think it happened.

I guess my point is, and to be blunt, if he's concussed that easily he might have issues early in his career

I would dare say that virtually no one may remember, but Hopkins DID have a previously documented concussion. It occurred in 2011 when he was involved in an automobile accident on the way to practice the week before the Orange Bowl. Of course, he was still allowed to play in the Bowl (concussed Tuesday, played Saturday).............a joke, in that the NCAA to this day has no standard protocol for concussions........although they have strict protocols for their athletes concerning texting and not allowing cream cheese to be served on the athletes' bagels........................

When the player has any history of previous concussion, this is heavily weighted through the final protocol, with additional caution and time taken to deem the player ready to return.

The Pencil Neck
08-20-2013, 10:30 AM
It's sorta concerning how easily he was concussed. I know it doesn't take much to cause a concussion, but he looked to have barely grazed the turf on the play I think it happened.

I guess my point is, and to be blunt, if he's concussed that easily he might have issues early in his career

That wasn't a light graze, he gave it a pretty solid hit. It doesn't look that bad if you just watch the play but if you watch his head, it is. And the blow came to the side of the head at an angle which is, from my understanding, particularly susceptible to concussions.

It's got me worried, though. We might have to pull a Detroit Lions and draft WRs in the first in multiple years to get the WR2 fixed.

CloakNNNdagger
08-20-2013, 01:18 PM
So now Hopkins has gone from 1-2 times more likely to receive a concussion after having had his first one, to 2-4 times more likely to receive a concussion after his second one.

Brisco_County
08-20-2013, 11:36 PM
So now Hopkins has gone from 1-2 times more likely to receive a concussion after having had his first one, to 2-4 times more likely to receive a concussion after his second one.

It'd be best to not throw to him over the middle.

b0ng
08-21-2013, 11:17 AM
It'd be best to not throw to him over the middle.

That's going to limit him quite a bit don't you think?

CloakNNNdagger
08-21-2013, 11:31 AM
That's going to limit him quite a bit don't you think?

During the preseason, the Texans have used all the WRs and TEs in the slot.........including AJ.

b0ng
08-21-2013, 12:20 PM
During the preseason, the Texans have used all the WRs and TEs in the slot.........including AJ.


Yep, but if you don't want Hopkins going over the middle, then that means when Hopkins is in (Which should be a lot this season) other teams would know he's not going over the middle and may make covering him easier on opposing DB's.

CloakNNNdagger
08-21-2013, 12:35 PM
Yep, but if you don't want Hopkins going over the middle, then that means when Hopkins is in (Which should be a lot this season) other teams would know he's not going over the middle and may make covering him easier on opposing DB's.

You're right. That makes it that much more important to see at least ONE other receiver distinguish himself as a "sure thing" across the middle.......something that never really happened last year.

thunderkyss
08-21-2013, 12:36 PM
Just because you're in the slot, doesn't mean you're going over the middle.

Just because you're not in the slot, doesn't mean you're not going over the middle.

Hopkins will probably get hit anytime the ball is in his hands.... "weird" I know.... but that's the way it is.

PapaL
08-21-2013, 12:50 PM
Just because you're in the slot, doesn't mean you're going over the middle.

Just because you're not in the slot, doesn't mean you're not going over the middle.

Hopkins will probably get hit anytime the ball is in his hands.... "weird" I know.... but that's the way it is.

You mean he's not taking every catch to the endzone?!? So much for that 78 TD season.:lol:

CloakNNNdagger
08-21-2013, 12:53 PM
As the NFL has evolved, the slot receiver has become a more and more dangerous position to play.

I came across this piece published earlier this year that follows the history of the slot receiver from the original concept introduced by Al Davis.

A History of NFL Slot Receivers: Are They Playing with Fire in Today's League? (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1533747-are-slot-receivers-playing-with-fire-in-todays-nfl)

If nothing changes, slot receivers will replace running backs as the "disposable" skill position player: draft a fast guy; plug him in; cut him when he loses a step, shreds a knee or breaks his brain.

I can't really argue with the conclusion.

djohn2oo8
08-21-2013, 12:57 PM
Foster returned to practice, looks like.

Playoffs
08-21-2013, 01:17 PM
Foster returned to practice, looks like.Correct...

Houston Texans ‏@HoustonTexans
Arian Foster is back! Watch "First Look" video, detailing Foster's return to practice + more http://bit.ly/1bTtWCZ

76Texan
08-21-2013, 01:27 PM
Correct...

Houston Texans ‏@HoustonTexans

Man, we certainly held out a lot of guys this year, hadn't we?

Lechler, Greg Jones.
Watt playing all of 2 snaps, etc.

b0ng
08-21-2013, 01:40 PM
Man, we certainly held out a lot of guys this year, hadn't we?

Lechler, Greg Jones.
Watt playing all of 2 snaps, etc.

I thought Jones played a lot with the 1's and 2's and got stood up more than a few times? Guy with dreads, number in the 30's? (33 or 37 I think)

deucetx
08-21-2013, 01:46 PM
I thought Jones played a lot with the 1's and 2's and got stood up more than a few times? Guy with dreads, number in the 30's? (33 or 37 I think)

Thinking 76 means limited action in reference to Jones. It was the first preseason game he played and he was only out there for 12 plays and yeah he's number 33.

djohn2oo8
08-21-2013, 01:52 PM
Wade Smith may be back for the opener. Mercilus closer to being on the field.

https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/statuses/370250901396934656

b0ng
08-21-2013, 01:52 PM
Thinking 76 means limited action in reference to Jones. It was the first preseason game he played and he was only out there for 12 plays and yeah he's number 33.

He played a lot more in the Dolphins game and didn't look like any thing special from what I saw.

Playoffs
08-21-2013, 01:53 PM
Man, we certainly held out a lot of guys this year, hadn't we?

Lechler, Greg Jones.
Watt playing all of 2 snaps, etc.I think it's smart... less mileage early, stronger through the end.

djohn2oo8
08-21-2013, 01:53 PM
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PapaL
08-21-2013, 01:54 PM
He played a lot more in the Dolphins game and didn't look like any thing special from what I saw.

What exactly are you looking for from the FB in a preseason game?

Playoffs
08-21-2013, 01:58 PM
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James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
Hopkins is in phase one of his concussion protocol. No new news on if he plays Sunday. #texans

Kubiak stated that he doesn't feel it's necessary for Foster to get snaps before San Diego. #texans

Kubiak said after talking with Antonio Smith that Smith feels like he really let the team down. #texans

Kubiak said that Foster did well in first practice off PUP list #texans

Kubiak says Mercilus is very close to coming back. #texans

Arain Foster off Pup according to Kubiak. Practiced today. Most likely wont play Sunday. #texans

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
"They’ll give us some fair opportunities to give our side. I think we’ve got a legitimate case to present," #Texans GM on Antonio's appeal

#Texans GM Rick Smith expressed disappointment in Antonio Smith's actions, but said the team will support and participate in the appeal.

Kubiak says Whitney Mercilus is closer to getting back on the field. Tim Dobbins is back on the field today. #Texans

Kubiak says he is disappointed in himself re Antonio Smith because it's his job to make sure their players keep their composure. #Texans

"The key is we have a couple good weeks of practice" Kubiak said on foster. Doesn't think he'll play Foster Sunday. #Texans

Arian Foster practiced Wednesday and will be taken off the physically unable to perform list. #Texans
Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro
Rick Smith says the team is disappointed about Antonio Smith's suspension.

Kubiak said team still pushing to have Wade Smith for opener.

DeAndre is in Phase 1 of 5 of concussion protocol still not ruled out for Sunday.

Kubiak said he doesn't think Foster will play Sunday.

Arian Foster was practicing but limited today.

Dale Robertson ‏@sportywineguy
Tim Jamison and Jared Crick will compete to see who replaces Smith in the starting lineup, but both will contribute. #Texans

But players "have a job when they get out there to maintain their composure regardless of circumstances. No excuses." #Texans

Kubiak says he "has to make sure my players keep their composure on the football field. That's my job." #Texans

Kubiak "disappointed" in himself and Antonio Smith for actions that led to suspension. #Texans

LG Wade Smith is also possible for the San Diego game despite scoped knee. #Texans

Kubiak says Foster won't play during preseason but he expects him back for opener at San Diego. #Texans
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
DE Delano Johnson fined $7,785 for late hit.

Texans CB Brandon Harris fined $21 grand for hit on defenseless receiver against Miami.

b0ng
08-21-2013, 01:59 PM
What exactly are you looking for from the FB in a preseason game?


Blocks that can spring an RB for some extra yards. Greg Jones was widely considered the second best FB behind Leach when he was with the Jags, so more of that if it was possible.

G27RR
08-21-2013, 02:47 PM
$21K seems excessive for that hit. If it's the one I'm thinking of, it didn't look intentional to me.

EllisUnit
08-21-2013, 05:28 PM
$21K seems excessive for that hit. If it's the one I'm thinking of, it didn't look intentional to me.

u see the hit by the bears rookie LB that he got fined for, total BS. The league is getting a little out of hand

infantrycak
08-21-2013, 05:43 PM
$21K seems excessive for that hit. If it's the one I'm thinking of, it didn't look intentional to me.

His actual fine will be $5955. The CBA does not allow a fine to be more than 25% of a game check. Bostic makes $405k.

paycheck71
08-21-2013, 08:17 PM
His actual fine will be $5955. The CBA does not allow a fine to be more than 25% of a game check. Bostic makes $405k.

He made something like $900 for the preseason game, not a full regular season game check.

TexansFTW
08-22-2013, 07:50 AM
I don't suppose anyone has a video clip of B Harris' hit in question do they? I'd really like to see it and don't know how to go about it.

IMO, these fines (as everyone previously mentioned) are getting so ridiculous and out of hand, they are going to cause more and more Dustin Keller scenarios to unfold. When you have a rookie coming into the league (DJ Swear) and already he's trained to go low to avoid a fine, this mantra is going to eventually be spread around the league.

Last time I checked your knee isn't supposed to bend backwards, but I believe this will be the new normal in football thanks to that D bag Goodell.

When you get hit high you excite the fans and you eventually get up. When you get hit low, generally you bring the place down and you're carted away. You're going to have to make a choice between these 2 because you can't delegate a defender to hit a moving/juking target in a 6" window.

thunderkyss
08-22-2013, 09:13 AM
I don't suppose anyone has a video clip of B Harris' hit in question do they? I'd really like to see it and don't know how to go about it.


There's no doubt he hit him in the head. The question is about the size of the fine. $21,000 is pretty hefty & probably a big portion of his paycheck. He's not one of these guys that make millions.


IMO, these fines (as everyone previously mentioned) are getting so ridiculous and out of hand, they are going to cause more and more Dustin Keller scenarios to unfold. When you have a rookie coming into the league (DJ Swear) and already he's trained to go low to avoid a fine, this mantra is going to eventually be spread around the league.


That hit was a perfect storm of events & truthfully probably had little to do with the NFL fines & rules. Dj was not going to hit that big boy high. Small guys hit big guys low all the time, always have, always will. That's the only way they can bring those big guys down. (Not that Dj is little, but relatively speaking, he wasn't going to be hitting Keller high).

But the NFL is going to have to do something. If these fines & suspensions are affecting the game that much, they're going to have to put a limit on cuncussiongs. 3 concussions & your career is over. That's really the only "safe" way to go about it.


Last time I checked your knee isn't supposed to bend backwards, but I believe this will be the new normal in football thanks to that D bag Goodell.


D BAg???? What would you do? If you were the commisioner & there was a growing list of players suing you for effects they suffered from playing the game? If there are at least two players who killed themselves because of it?

DBag??

Get a life.

When you get hit high you excite the fans and you eventually get up. When you get hit low, generally you bring the place down and you're carted away. You're going to have to make a choice between these 2 because you can't delegate a defender to hit a moving/juking target in a 6" window.

90% of Dunta Robinson's hits were low. Glover Quin generally targets areas below the waist. Kareem is a sure tackler, but most of his hits are & will be at the waist or below.

It's part of the game. Always has been always will be. It wasn't that Dj hit Keller low, it was that Keller was coming down on that leg as Dj hit him. Had Swearinger hit him a second earlier, or 2 seconds later, Keller would have finished that game.

Rey
08-22-2013, 09:21 AM
The thing about the Swearinger hit is that he made a tackle in the Vikings game like that and I think he made 1 or two more tackles like that in the Dolphins game.

I hope he doesn't change the way he tackles. That's one of the things I like about him. He's a good one on one tackler. He gets guys on the ground in a hurry most times.

Tackling low has been practiced by DB's for as long as I can remember.

But I do think that with the new rules you're going to have guys that would have normally gone up high, aiming lower on certain hits.

Hopefully there are no more devastating injuries.

infantrycak
08-22-2013, 09:21 AM
There's no doubt he hit him in the head. The question is about the size of the fine. $21,000 is pretty hefty & probably a big portion of his paycheck. He's not one of these guys that make millions.

Harris makes $674,938. The max fine which can be collected is 25% of one game check. So his fine will be $9925.

He made something like $900 for the preseason game, not a full regular season game check.

Fines come out of a regular season check after the fine becomes final. They are never based on the preseason.

DX-TEX
08-22-2013, 09:26 AM
#freeantoniosmith

TexansFTW
08-22-2013, 12:11 PM
D BAg???? What would you do? If you were the commisioner & there was a growing list of players suing you for effects they suffered from playing the game? If there are at least two players who killed themselves because of it?

DBag??

Get a life.


Cool bro. I'll work on getting a life.

Wait until someone like Larry Fitzgerald has this happen to them, then the game will change again. Stand by your man though, maybe you won't hate what happens next.

Did anyone find a video clip of that hit? I obviously tried Google, but got nothing, generally this forum is my goto because they have every video clip before I even know there is an issue that needs to be watched.

CloakNNNdagger
08-22-2013, 12:27 PM
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James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN


Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro

Dale Robertson ‏@sportywineguy

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL

Antonio might also entertain wearing a cup next time he tangles with Incognito.

Corrosion
08-22-2013, 01:06 PM
.... TK's statement is very reasonable , whether I agree with it or not.

Playoffs
08-22-2013, 01:43 PM
Who izzat??? ............. click on the photo to see which Texans are pictured here:

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Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
Hopkins is still in phase 1 of the concussion program. Ruled out for Sunday. #Texans

Ed Reed will have his surgeon in Vail take the last look at Reed and that will be the last step before Reed returns to Houston. #Texans

"It's over. The kid did nothing wrong. It's over." Kubiak on D.J. Swearinger's hit on Dustin Keller. #Texans #Dolphins

Kubiak said Arian Foster's reps went from 10 to 20 today. Said he felt good coming out of yesterday's practice. #Texans

Kubiak says it's too early to say if he'll keep 3 QBs but "we've got two very good ones" and you don't let good players go. #Texans

Asked how he'd make a call if they're neck in neck, Kubiak says: "Somebody's got to lean." #Texans

Kubiak says he'll decide tomorrow which backup quarterback will go second on Sunday. #Texans

"Boy we've got some tough decisions to make. I've got to look at a lot of players in the second half," Kubiak on roster #Texans

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro
Kubiak said Bonner is doing better but definitely won't play this week. #TexansTalk

The surgeon will take a last look at Ed Reed in Colorado and then he'll be back in Houston. #TexansTalk

Kubiak said he doesn't see Foster playing this weekend. #TexansTalk

"He looked good. He did more." -- Kubiak on Foster #TexansTalk

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
Mercilus day-to-day according to Kubiak. He could play Thursday possibly. Wade Smith should hit field with trainers Monday. #Texans

DeAndre Hopkins has been ruled out this week. He is still at stage 1 of the concussion protocol and feels about the same. #Texans

He put his pads on with everybody else. he went from about 10 reps to 20 today." Kubiak on Foster at prac. Doesn't think he'll go Sun#Texans James

"We're going to the end with this thing." - Kubiak on the backup QB battle. #Texans

David Hunter will miss a few days with an ankle sprain. Most likely won't play Sunday. #Texans

Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew
"We have not moved forward. We're still at Phase 1."-Kubiak on Hopkins & concussion. He won't play vs. Saints.

"Ben's going to play a lot. Will probably get spelled by Deji"- Kubiak on Ben Tate & Deji Karim this Sunday vs. Saints.

Kubiak said #Texans RT Derek Newton has had a "really good camp". Some good with bad, but he's improving.

Kubiak: Drew Brees is 1 of best QB's in NFL over last 14 yrs. "Heckuva test" for #Texans.

Kubiak: #Texans backup QB battle will go "all the way to the end" between Yates/Keenum.

Kubiak: #Texans have tough decisions to make w/regards to roster cuts. 2nd half of Saints game is good chance to see that.

Rey
08-22-2013, 02:55 PM
84 is earl Mitchell. I Played a few games there in that uniform.

Top is Cushing I think.

Playoffs
08-22-2013, 02:57 PM
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Duane Brown today -- reads bottom-to-top...

Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew 9m
"It makes me more confident in my hands."- @DuaneBrown76 on how offseason boxing workouts have helped him. #Texans

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro 10m
Duane Brown said Derek Newton gave up a sack but didn't let it get to him. Brown said that was different. #TexansTalk

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 10m
In terms of technique and avoiding being called for holding, Brown said learned a lot from Chester Pitts and Eric Winston. #Texans

Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew 10m
LT @DuaneBrown76 credits former #Texans teammates Ephraim Salaam, @ericwinston & @ChesterPitts for helping him improve.

Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew 11m
LT @DuaneBrown76 said he didn't become a technician at his position until a couple years ago. #Texans

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 30s
Duane Brown thinks Incognito is an "Intense" player. Added he was a nice guy at the Pro Bowl. In terms of dirty Brown said, "Not my place."

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 2m
in terms of keeping composure on the field, Brown said "You have to keep your team in mind." #Texans #Texanstalk

Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew 14s
LT @DuaneBrown76 said it's great to see Arian Foster out there "shaking off the rust", and he's a big part of the offense.

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 1m
"We're holding ourselves more accountable than any other year." - Duane Brown. #Texans. #Texanstalk

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro 1m
Duane Brown says the focus of the team is at an "all-time high." #TexansTalk

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro 2m
"I was a little shocked the way the play developed." Duane Brown on his rare holding call last game. #TexansTalk

Playoffs
08-22-2013, 04:11 PM
Rule on fines & appeals for excessive amount:

Here’s the rule, from Article 46 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement:

“On appeal, a player may assert, among other defenses, that any fine should be reduced because it is excessive when compared to the player’s expected earnings for the season in question. However, a fine may be reduced on this basis only if it exceeds 25 percent of one week of a player’s salary for a first offense, and 50 percent of one week of a player’s salary for a second offense. A player may also argue on appeal that the circumstances do not warrant his receiving a fine above the amount stated in the schedule of fines.”

A player’s weekly pay is one-seventeenth of his salary...http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/22/more-on-the-cba-rule-on-excessive-fines-for-low-paid-players/

thunderkyss
08-22-2013, 06:28 PM
Wait until someone like Larry Fitzgerald has this happen to them, then the game will change again. Stand by your man though, maybe you won't hate what happens next.


Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other.... what are you going to do?

.

In August 2012 (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/aug/19/junior-seau-brain-concussion-gq), autopsy results found no evidence of trauma in Seau's brain. In January 2013, however, the National Institutes of Health said a study of Seau's brain had revealed abnormalities consistent with chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE. Later that month, Seau's family announced that they were pursuing a wrongful death lawsuit against the NFL. The Seau family also announced that they were suing Riddell, the maker of the helmets used in the NFL.
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The lawsuit against the NFL cited a 1993 film, NFL Rocks, in which Seau, asked how he felt about dealing out and taking so many punishing hits, said: "If I can feel some dizziness, I know that guy is feeling double [that]."

Playoffs
08-23-2013, 09:17 AM
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Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith
If I don't hunt, I don't eat' - #Texans rookie D.J. Swearinger hasn't watched Killer hit, isn't backing down #NFL

#Texans' Swearinger: "It's whatever way you've got to do that, that's what defenders are going to do. Whatever does it, does it." #NFL

#Texans' Swearinger was confident, uppbeat after #Dolphins game. Mentality has carried through this week. Calmly discussed hit Thursday.

#Texans' Swearinger hasn't watched replay of Keller hit. "Truthfully, I've tried to let it go. I'm sorry. I pray he has a great recovery."

#Texans' D.J. Swearinger: "You can't have any second thoughts on the field. You've got to do what you're going to do." #NFL

#Texans' D.J. Swearinger made his name as a hitter. He'll keep hunting, despite noise after Dustin Keller hit. #NFL

Playoffs
08-23-2013, 01:16 PM
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Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
"It's my job to be a starter. Every player that comes into the league it's their job to grow ino a starter," Shiloh Keo #Texans

"We just have to go out and play. Hopefully next week you don’t get a letter from the league saying you’re fined." Joseph #Texans

"I don’t think anyone really knows the line," Johnathan Joseph on the line between a legal and illegal hit. #Texans

DeAndre Hopkins is still in phase 1 after suffering a concussion on Saturday. #Texans

Arian Foster went through all of practice today, as did DeVier Posey. They did well, Kubiak said. #Texans

T.J. Yates will be the second quarterback for the #Texans Sunday.

"Disappointed, thought we had an excellent chance of getting him back the 1st week," Kubiak on Antonio Smith's suspension upheld. #Texans
Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew
Safety Shiloh Keo now at podium. Said he feels like a veteran now, feels comfortable on field now.

"We stand behind Antonio 100%. He makes the defense go."--CB Johnathan Joseph

CB Johnathan Joseph at podium now. Said Ed Reed knows #Texans playbook front and back. Will be like 2nd coach on field.

"All these kids know who he is,"- Gary Kubiak on presence P Shane Lechler brings to #Texans special teams meeting room.

Kubiak: we've been cautious with punter Shane Lechler. "There's a chance he could punt a couple times in this game."

Kubiak: DeAndre Hopkins is feeling a lot better and was in meetings today, but is still in Phase 1 of concussion protocol.

"Whatever time is left, I'm going to split between T.J. and Case."-Kubiak on playing time after Schaub exits. #Texans

Kubiak: Devier Posey will not play for #Texans on Sunday.

QB TJ Yates will be first off bench after Matt Schaub, according to Kubiak.

Kubiak: Tim Jamison will start Sunday in place of Antonio Smith.

Kubiak: We understand it as a team, we accept it, and we have to meet the challenge.

Gary Kubiak at podium now. Disappointed that Antonio Smith's appeal was denied.
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
"Guy like that has a huge catch radius. 9 times out 10 he's going to come down with it." - Kareem Jackson on DeAndre Hopkins. #Texans

Kareem Jackson on where he ranks Drew Brees, "maybe top 3. Guy is unbelievable". #Texans

Keo doesn't know if he will be used in the return game Sunday. Said it might be game time decision. #Texans

"No one really knows the line." - Joseph talking about where you can and can't hit players. #Texans #Texanstalk

"you can't ask for a better guy than Drew" - Joseph on going against Brees in the important preseason game 3 tune up. #Texans

"I've reminded those 2 Aggies they better kick well." - Gary Kubiak after asked if he talks with friends about having A&M kickers. #Texans

there is a chance for Shane Lechler to kick Sunday. #Texans

Arian Foster ruled out 4 Sunday. DeAndre Hopkins still in phase 1 of concussion protocol. There was never any plan for him to play. #Texans

Tim Jamison will start for Antonio Smith and T.J. Yates will go with 2nd team. Arian Foster took scout team reps. No Posey Sunday. #Texans
Deepi Sidhu ‏@DeepSlant
Kareem says he dropped his weight from 195 to about 187 since he entered league. Being lighter and faster is what he needs at his position.

Kareem Jackson (on Drew Brees): Makes great reads. He puts the ball only where his guys can get it.

Johnathan Joseph: This year's receiving corp is the most talented it's been. @HoustonTexans have 5-6 guys who can step in at any time.

Rey
08-23-2013, 02:00 PM
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Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN

Deepi Sidhu ‏@DeepSlant

Some good stuff in there.

I like Kareem talking about the weight loss. Didn't know that he dropped a little weight since his rookie season.

I think if the starters play well, pull your top guys after halftime. Let Yates have the third and keenum the fourth. But hopefully we play well enough offensively that we can pull Dre, shammy, brown, Myers, OD...everybody else gets an extra quarter of work...

Playoffs
08-26-2013, 03:24 PM
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Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
"It's miserable," Kubiak on cutting players.

Ed Reed is in Vail today with his surgeon getting checked out. Will have one more trip to Atlanta before retuning. #TeamLesbian

Wade Smith will return to the field with trainers this week. #Texans

Kubiak told Ben Tate they'd only take him off the field if he wanted to come off. Said he handled it well. #Texans

"It's time to lean," Kubiak on the backup qb race. #Texans

#Texans have started the process of cuts but Kubiak won't disclose until he's talked to all the players.

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
Ed Reed is in Vail getting injections and spending time with his surgeon. After this week Kubiak feels #Texans will have idea about opener

No snaps for Foster on Thursday, Posey should get some work. Kubiak would like to see him get some snaps. #Texans

Mercilus is expected to be back on the practice field tomorrow. Not sure about PT Thurs. W. Smith will be on field wth trainers #Texans.

Kubiak "Ben's got a chip on his shoulder." Tate handled himself very well during this preseason. #texans

Keenum will start Thursday and then Kubiak will make a choice on the backup spot after that. #Texans

#Texans just finishing up their moves. Media should be notified shortly about cuts.
Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro

"He's got some things that you can't teach." -- Kubiak on Willie Jefferson.

Darryl Sharpton didn't play on Sunday because he was sick.

There's a chance DeVier Posey could get snaps on Thursday. Arian Foster will not.

Keenum's biggest step has been learning and playing in the system.

Case Keenum will start on Thursday. Kubiak won't name backup QB yet.

Kubiak said they're finishing up cuts process. Hasn't spoken to players yet.

In three preseason games, Texans quarterbacks have a 67.9 completion percentage with 6 TDs and 1 INT. Rating of 102.6.
Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew
Kubiak: Brian Cushing's confidence is sky high. #Texans

Kubiak: DE Jared Crick has stepped forward as a player. Feel very good about what he's done. #Texans

Kubiak: Biggest concern on D is getting Mercilus reps with Cushing, Brooks Reed, etc. #Texans

Kubiak: We feel good about knowing Ed Reed's status. Nobody's panicking. We'll know more Thursday/Friday. #Texans

Kubiak: Ed Reed is in Vail, CO today getting injections, meeting with surgeon. Will travel to Atlanta later in week. #Texans

Kubiak: CB A.J. Bouye has been excellent in his work, on both defense and special teams. #Texans

Kubiak: Willie Jefferson has had very good preseason. Has some things you can't teach. #Texans

Kubiak said some of #Texans toughest cuts likely to come at LB & D-line spots.

Kubiak: ILB Darryl Sharpton was sick at hotel. Could've played yesterday but we decided to go w/o him.

Kubiak said Mercilus will practice tomorrow, possibly available to play vs. Cowboys. "He's ready."

Kubiak said LB Mike Mohamed and DL Chris Jones will be back to play vs. Cowboys.

ObsiWan
08-26-2013, 03:38 PM
"It's time to lean," Kubiak on the backup qb race. #Texans


...wait... What?

Is this a hint that he's only going with two QBs??

Playoffs
08-26-2013, 03:44 PM
...wait... What?

Is this a hint that he's only going with two QBs??

No. Either bad quote or poor word choice. No secret meanings from Kubiak... no reading into it. Straight talk.

Rey
08-26-2013, 03:45 PM
It's just Kubiak saying that one of these guys needs to separate themselves.

speedfreek
08-26-2013, 04:02 PM
When Kubiak said "time to lean" it sounded as though
he meant "it's time to make a decision", and then he
implied that he was already slightly leaning --
but that he would wait until after the cowboy game to
make a fair comparison.

At least that's what I took from it..

TJ

ObsiWan
08-26-2013, 04:43 PM
It's just Kubiak saying that one of these guys needs to separate themselves.

You're right.
Thinking back to past KubeQuotes on this subject, I think "time to lean" refers to both guys being in a dead heat for the #2 QB spot and one of them has to lean forward since we're "at the tape" in this race.

:koolaid:

badboy
08-26-2013, 04:47 PM
(on the backup quarterback situation) “What I’ll do is I’ll start (QB) Case (Keenum) this week. They’ll both play a half of football going into this one. Obviously they’re going to be playing with a bunch of young players, but I think it’s been extremely close. It would be hard to make a decision today. But if I would have to make one, I’d make one. I think this game is still important. They’ve continued to get better, each of them, and push each other. I think it’s going to be a good thing for our football team. I’m going to hold off here and let them play this week and then we’ll probably lock in before we go into our total San Diego process which would be the following Thursday. I’m going to let them compete one more week and see how it goes.”

(on LG Wade Smith) “Wade is doing excellent. You’re going to see Wade return to the field with the trainers this week. You’ll see him working off to the side. He’ll start his field work.

(on if ILB Darryl Sharpton is hurt again) “No, he got sick on us. Nobody asked that last night, but we were in the hotel Saturday and he got sick on us after the meeting and wasn’t feeling good. He could’ve played, wanted to play yesterday, but we made a decision right before the game to go without him. Sharp has had a good camp. He’s really worked hard and stayed healthy and we think he can be a fine player for us. That’s what took place.”

(on if it will be hard to cut OLB Willie Jefferson and CB A.J. Bouye) “Well, we do all that next week, so no head starts. Willie’s had a very good preseason. He’s got some things that you can’t teach. He’s got length, athletic ability. (linebackers coach) Reggie (Herring) and (defensive coordinator) Wade (Phillips) have brought him, he’s come a long way with them as far as rushing the passer. Bouye has been a big surprise. It started in OTAs, so wasn’t like it just started in the last couple of weeks. He’s been excellent in his work, but special teams wise, he’s been a big, big positive and that’s so important. If you’re going to be a fourth or fifth corner, you’ve got to be an extremely good special teams player and he has been through the course of preseason.”

(on if he has made the decision to start DE Jared Crick in Week 1) “He and Timmy (DE Tim Jamison) are both playing but I think (DE Jared) Crick has really stepped forward as a player and has really kind of established himself in a lot of ways as our fourth (defensive lineman.

(on how he would compare G/C Ben Jones’ game at left guard to David Quessenberry’s against New Orleans) “I think Ben (Jones) struggled, especially early in the game. Ben played very good at center. Remember, Ben worked on the right side all the time last year. Now he’s working on the left so I think there’s been some adjustments there. I think (David) Quessenberry plays like a rookie. He plays really, really good and then there’s some things we’ve got to fix. "


http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Head-coach-Gary-Kubiak/727b0039-2078-4139-a3b5-137b9af02188

Rey
08-26-2013, 04:51 PM
I think Jamison could get cut.

ObsiWan
08-26-2013, 10:01 PM
I think Jamison could get cut.

Hasn't he been released then brought back before?

Scooter
08-26-2013, 10:13 PM
There's a chance DeVier Posey could get snaps on Thursday.

Kubiak said Mercilus will practice tomorrow, possibly available to play vs. Cowboys. "He's ready."

i'll get it out there now, i absolutely HATED the posey pick. but, he came on real strong at the end of the season and looked like he could be a real player for us. now with yet more time away from the field, can he be the player he was becoming? they dont have to be great, but if posey and hopkins can be good, we have an entirely different offense.

with the way our linebackers have looked to me outside of cushing and reed, mercilus getting better is a huge deal. wade's defenses have an elite pass rusher outside, and we havent found our guy yet ... mercilus could be him.

i'll be watching for these two on thursday, because they could make season changing impacts during the year. hopefully they're healed up and have taken the next step for their sophomore run.

PapaL
08-27-2013, 07:44 AM
i'll get it out there now, i absolutely HATED the posey pick. but, he came on real strong at the end of the season and looked like he could be a real player for us. now with yet more time away from the field, can he be the player he was becoming? they dont have to be great, but if posey and hopkins can be good, we have an entirely different offense.


I'm not expecting much from Posey on Thursday. He will be rusty as could be. Started to knock off that rust last year but then got injured. I hope he becomes a player but first game back, I'm not expecting much.

Playoffs
08-27-2013, 01:30 PM
http://prod.images.texans.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/TEXANS/assets/images/imported/HOU/photos/clubimages/2012/08-August/tempIMG_4027-278--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=620&height=465

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
#Texans team luncheon today. This luncheon is the biggest fundraiser of the year for the Houston Texans Foundation.
Leaders Kubiak called out before saying that: Matt Schaub, Andre Johnson, J.J. Watt, Brian Cushing, Duane Brown, Ed Reed. #Texans

Kubiak to players: "I don't know if Bob's going to give me 14 banquets. But let's go win a championship. I think we can do that." #Texans

Kubiak on stages of success. 1st you're asked to win. Then you're asked to make playoffs. Then you're asked for a championship. #Texans

Kubiak said he hasn't been around a team that was more hurt at the end of the season than last year's #Texans were. Liked that.

Funny Kubiak today.

Just now Kubiak asked Jefferson & Quessenberry to stand up at luncheon, then told them he was just kidding and they could sit down. #Texans
Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith
#Texans' J.J. Watt jokes, "You've got to step it up, bro," before another fan question is asked. #NFL #ArianFoster

#Texans' Arian Foster is leading a one-man effort to improve lame sports questions from media/fans. Not much progress. But he's trying.

#Texans' Arian Foster jokingly rips a bad fan question. "That's a bad question, man." Adds, "We've got to hold people accountable." #NFL

Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26
In Kubiak's speech he said John Elway didn't win it all til his 15th year. "I don't know if Bob (McNair) is going 2 give me 14 banquets"
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
Foster says that Sharpton "has the sickest sense of humor on the team"

Foster, Watt, Brown all say Brian Cushing pregame ritual is the most insane. #texans. Cushing said he likes to watch Bullock improve his core

You want people to say to you in this biz, "can you win the big one?" Kubiak said everyonr always asked Elway if he can win the big one.

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro
Kubiak uses Elway as an example of how hard it is to win a championship in the NFL.

Gary Kubiak said he never saw a team hurt like the Texans did after they lost in the playoffs last year.

Kubiak is really charming this crowd. Funny guy.

Kubiak said he told David Quessenberry, Willie Jefferson they would be giving speeches. He just announced at luncheon that he was kidding.

The Texans do a lot of work in the community and this luncheon is the biggest Texans Foundation fundraiser of the year.

Matt Schaub wins the Spirit of the Bull award for his efforts off the field.

At the head table: Marciano, Wade Phillips, Dennison, Rick Smith, Kubiak and Bob McNair

Ed Reed is back from Vail. He's at the Texans luncheon.

There is a pretty epic introduction for the players at this Texans luncheon.
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Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro
Posey will play about 12 plays in the game.

DeAndre Hopkins might be cleared tomorrow to return.
Deepi Sidhu ‏@DeepSlant
Kubiak: DeAndre Hopkins in stage 4 of 5 in concussion protocol. Could play Thursday. @HoustonTexans
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
There is a chance Hopkins will play Thurs. He is moving through stages. Kubiak said that Mercilus worked harder than anyone today.

Playoffs
08-27-2013, 05:12 PM
Coach's speech today: http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Kubiaks-speech-at-Team-Luncheon/0ded4e67-f756-4796-bd85-644dadf4e97d

PapaL
08-27-2013, 06:37 PM
I don't think it would be wise for Nuk to play on Thursday even if he's cleared.

Brisco_County
08-27-2013, 06:42 PM
Posey will play about 12 plays in the game.

...

DeAndre Hopkins might be cleared tomorrow to return.

...

Kubiak: DeAndre Hopkins in stage 4 of 5 in concussion protocol. Could play Thursday. @HoustonTexans

...

There is a chance Hopkins will play Thurs. He is moving through stages. Kubiak said that Mercilus worked harder than anyone today.


All great news.

The best part:

Just now Kubiak asked Jefferson & Quessenberry to stand up at luncheon, then told them he was just kidding and they could sit down. #Texans

HOU-TEX
08-28-2013, 08:56 AM
I don't think it would be wise for Nuk to play on Wednesday even if he's cleared.

He can play Wednesday and not worry about getting hit.....because the game's on Thursday.

Heh, just bustin on ya

PapaL
08-28-2013, 09:00 AM
He can play Wednesday and not worry about getting hit.....because the game's on Thursday.

Heh, just bustin on ya

:toropalm::clap:

Well played. Rep your way.

76Texan
08-28-2013, 09:21 AM
He can play Wednesday and not worry about getting hit.....because the game's on Thursday.

Heh, just bustin on ya

LOL, I noticed that, too.

PapaL
08-28-2013, 12:04 PM
LOL, I noticed that, too.

No soup for you. End of the line!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/5df545f1824cedffff6907c1662fa82e/tumblr_mnku8yylYq1rkvl19o1_400.gif

badboy
08-28-2013, 01:26 PM
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
DeAndre Hopkins has been totally cleared to return to practice. Good chance he plays Thursday. #Texans1:33 PM - 27 Aug 2013



So he has been cleared....

Corrosion
08-28-2013, 06:10 PM
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
DeAndre Hopkins has been totally cleared to return to practice. Good chance he plays Thursday. #Texans1:33 PM - 27 Aug 2013



So he has been cleared....

I really wish they would handle both Hopkins & Posey with kid gloves ,everything to lose and nothing to be gained or proven by them playing against the cowpies.

Rey
08-28-2013, 06:15 PM
I want to see posey and Hopkins take some snaps. They need to take some contact. Not a whole lot, but they a few plays will do them good.

Corrosion
08-28-2013, 08:02 PM
I want to see posey and Hopkins take some snaps. They need to take some contact. Not a whole lot, but they a few plays will do them good.

Tell that to the Doc .... who tells us how much more likely a concussion after a concussion.

Im concerned about the long term health of both of these guys. Had the call been mine to make , I'd have PUP'd Posey giving him another ~8 weeks to make sure he's ready. And Hopkins wouldn't see the field until San Diego .....

DocBar
08-28-2013, 08:12 PM
I want to see posey and Hopkins take some snaps. They need to take some contact. Not a whole lot, but they a few plays will do them good.I could not disagree more.

Rey
08-28-2013, 08:20 PM
Tell that to the Doc .... who tells us how much more likely a concussion after a concussion.

Im concerned about the long term health of both of these guys. Had the call been mine to make , I'd have PUP'd Posey giving him another ~8 weeks to make sure he's ready. And Hopkins wouldn't see the field until San Diego .....

If they are ready to play, they are ready to play.

A concussion being more likely isn't going to change. He could get another concussion tommorrow or in a week.

As far as posey goes, if he's going to be on the active roster, he needs to take some snaps to start getting back in football shape. If a guy is ready to go it does no good to sit him. If he's not ready to go, then that's on the medical staff. But holding him out if he's healthy and ready is only delaying him getting back to normal.

Rey
08-28-2013, 08:21 PM
I could not disagree more.

And I couldn't care less.

DocBar
08-28-2013, 08:24 PM
And I couldn't care less.

And neither could I.

DocBar
08-28-2013, 08:40 PM
If they are ready to play, they are ready to play.

A concussion being more likely isn't going to change. He could get another concussion tommorrow or in a week.

As far as posey goes, if he's going to be on the active roster, he needs to take some snaps to start getting back in football shape. If a guy is ready to go it does no good to sit him. If he's not ready to go, then that's on the medical staff. But holding him out if he's healthy and ready is only delaying him getting back to normal.Then why not play all the starters?

Why would you risk players that are considered starters in a meaningless game, against players looking to wow their coaches with big hits and big plays, if your plan is to have them contribute in the games that count? Is a few snaps worth it? They couldn't get those in San Diego?

Kubiak is on record for stating that the turf in Dallas is one of the reasons Merci won't play. He's in the same boat as Posey as far as missed TC and PS time. Does that mean Kubiak is relying more on Merci than Hopkins or Posey? I can actually see that regarding Posey, but not Hopkins. Besides, concussions are about eleventythreemillion times more likely to happen than a ruptured Achilles. 1 or 2 more concussions and Hopkins will be a "what might have been". Posey might already be that, considering the nature of his injury. That doesn't mean it needs to be proven in the last preseason game.

Just sayin...

EllisUnit
08-28-2013, 08:46 PM
Then why not play all the starters?

Why would you risk players that are considered starters in a meaningless game, against players looking to wow their coaches with big hits and big plays, if your plan is to have them contribute in the games that count? Is a few snaps worth it? They couldn't get those in San Diego?

Kubiak is on record for stating that the turf in Dallas is one of the reasons Merci won't play. He's in the same boat as Posey as far as missed TC and PS time. Does that mean Kubiak is relying more on Merci than Hopkins or Posey? I can actually see that regarding Posey, but not Hopkins. Besides, concussions are about eleventythreemillion times more likely to happen than a ruptured Achilles. 1 or 2 more concussions and Hopkins will be a "what might have been". Posey might already be that, considering the nature of his injury. That doesn't mean it needs to be proven in the last preseason game.

Just sayin...

Hopkins is a rookie and the NFL is faster than college i can see why he wants him to play, but I think he just wants to see Posey in a game so he knows what he has in him to start the season. Thats the only thing i can think of, plus the regular season starts in a week, if Posey isnt ready now, he wont be ready then.

DocBar
08-28-2013, 08:56 PM
Hopkins is a rookie and the NFL is faster than college i can see why he wants him to play, but I think he just wants to see Posey in a game so he knows what he has in him to start the season. Thats the only thing i can think of, plus the regular season starts in a week, if Posey isnt ready now, he wont be ready then. Neither of those reasons justifies the risk, to me.

The turf in Dallas will be bad for joints and tendons, in Posey's case and will be just as bad for concussion concerns if Hopkins has his head hit it like he did in Houston (which is much better than turf but not sure if that play is when he got the concussion). Again, I'd rather see this happen in a game that counts. There's not much that sucks worse than losing a player, for the season, in a preseason game. Especially the last one that features scrubs trying to make the team or practice squad.

For a coach that always preaches "being smart with injuries", this seems like a dumb move.

Rey
08-28-2013, 09:19 PM
Hopkins is a rookie and the NFL is faster than college i can see why he wants him to play, but I think he just wants to see Posey in a game so he knows what he has in him to start the season. Thats the only thing i can think of, plus the regular season starts in a week, if Posey isnt ready now, he wont be ready then.

Simply put, the same reason any starter plays in the first three pre season games. Rhythm, in game conditioning.

I want both to be able to do as much as possible week 1, and getting some action this week will help them be that much better.

DocBar
08-28-2013, 09:49 PM
Simply put, the same reason any starter plays in the first three pre season games. Rhythm, in game conditioning.

I want both to be able to do as much as possible week 1, and getting some action this week will help them be that much better.Or it could cost them their season and/or career. Still not a good trade off, IMHO. The risk simply doesn't justify the reward.

What would you think if Watt injured his elbow this year, in TC, and Kubiak decided to play him in this game? Or AJ or AF? I'm not real warm and fuzzy on what Posey can produce this year, but Hopkins can be a game changer for us. Just as much as AJ, AF, JJ or Schaub. That's purely conjecture at this point, but it's a valid opinion that many share. Hell, we have better depth at QB than we have a WR. This meaningless game isn't a make or break game for either player. They will be on the team this season if healthy.

CloakNNNdagger
08-29-2013, 07:23 AM
If a post-concussion brain is not given time to totally heal, re-concussion is MUCH more likely to happen.........taking the 2-4 times increased risk and throwing it out the window. An extra 10 days for a second concussion can make a very significant difference in the possibility of a repeat concussion. Even if it were a very small increased risk, if he brain is not entirely healed from the first, an early subsequent concussion will leave some element of permanent brain damage.............avoiding that being the whole point behind the Concussion Protocol. Remember, the Protocol is still a MINIMAL set of requirements that have been establish for return to game play........and with previous history of concussion is usually, and should be, adjusted, i.e., lengthened.

Hopkins should NOT be out there this evening.............with 3rd and 4th team players (and players never to play again in the NFL) trying to make their mark. When they are trying to make their mark, they will try to make THAT play that will have them noticed........and THAT play may have them do CRAZY DANGEROUS THINGS THAT LEAD TO INJURIES, to themselves AND others.

Corrosion
08-29-2013, 08:44 AM
Hopkins should NOT be out there this evening..

I gotta side with Doc.

Nothing might happen ... but the consequences of that something going wrong just aren't worth it.

HOU-TEX
08-29-2013, 08:59 AM
Personally, if they've been cleared, I'd like to see them get some snaps. Posey already will, but I'd be ok with D-Hop running a few routes. He doesn't have to be targeted, but just get his feet back under him.

Rey
08-29-2013, 09:07 AM
Personally, if they've been cleared, I'd like to see them get some snaps. Posey already will, but I'd be ok with D-Hop running a few routes. He doesn't have to be targeted, but just get his feet back under him.

That's the same way I feel. I'd like to see him out there for a few plays taking minimal contact.

Not running routes across the middle.

And Posey could use a bit more action. Dude has barely played over a 2 year time period.

EllisUnit
08-29-2013, 10:49 AM
Either way it cant be as big of a blunder as what rex ryan did.

badboy
08-29-2013, 11:21 AM
The issue seems to be we don't have a better WR2 option today than we did last season. Jean has looked ok if not superb & I'd rather have him than Posey or Hopkins today. Allow those to a bit more time before going on field in regular season. ALthough bad things can happen in practice, risk can be better managed so allow that for at least two additional weeks for both.

eriadoc
08-29-2013, 11:56 AM
The issue seems to be we don't have a better WR2 option today than we did last season. Jean has looked ok if not superb & I'd rather have him than Posey or Hopkins today. Allow those to a bit more time before going on field in regular season. ALthough bad things can happen in practice, risk can be better managed so allow that for at least two additional weeks for both.

Concussion issues aside, hell no. I liked Jean, and I had hoped he would develop into a #2 WR, but he still sucks at catching the ball, which is kind of important for a WR. Hopkins will make rookie mistakes, but even with those mistakes, he's going to far surpass Jean this year, in terms of making plays.

Posey? Meh, we'll see. It'd be nice to have a reliable stable of WRs behind AJ.

PapaL
08-29-2013, 12:01 PM
I feel like I have a concussion after reading the back and forth about a meaningless preseason game.

thunderkyss
08-29-2013, 04:44 PM
Im concerned about the long term health of both of these guys. Had the call been mine to make , I'd have PUP'd Posey giving him another ~8 weeks to make sure he's ready.

He can't practice with the team if he's on PUP. If we PUP'd Posey, he's working out on the sideline for the first 6 weeks, then trying to get into game shape for at least another three... possibly more. You saw how long it took before they were comfortable enough to put into the game last season with poorly playing LeStar & Martin.

This kid hasn't played much serious football over the last two years.

He'll take 12 snaps tonight, then he'll probably not be active for the following 4-6 weeks, until he's game ready.

We can have him in game shape by week 6 or sooner by getting him active now. Otherwise he won't see the field until week 8 or later.

Playoffs
08-29-2013, 05:26 PM
Might be about time to un-sticky this thread.... training camp is long since over.

Whaddaya think?

76Texan
08-29-2013, 05:43 PM
Might be about time to un-sticky this thread.... training camp is long since over.

Whaddaya think?

Bout time.

Corrosion
08-29-2013, 10:56 PM
He can't practice with the team if he's on PUP. If we PUP'd Posey, he's working out on the sideline for the first 6 weeks, then trying to get into game shape for at least another three... possibly more. You saw how long it took before they were comfortable enough to put into the game last season with poorly playing LeStar & Martin.

This kid hasn't played much serious football over the last two years.

He'll take 12 snaps tonight, then he'll probably not be active for the following 4-6 weeks, until he's game ready.

We can have him in game shape by week 6 or sooner by getting him active now. Otherwise he won't see the field until week 8 or later.

He sure looked game ready tonight .... Still concerned about further injury tho.

thunderkyss
08-30-2013, 07:02 AM
He sure looked game ready tonight .... Still concerned about further injury tho.

I haven't watched the game, but from what I hear you're right. Which is a testament to how badly this guy wants to play.