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GuerillaBlack
08-07-2013, 11:24 AM
The TD pass to Kevin Walter last year was deep, hit him in stride and was an over the shoulder catch.

Gotta love that mile high air.

thunderkyss
08-07-2013, 11:45 AM
The TD pass to Kevin Walter last year was deep, hit him in stride and was an over the shoulder catch.

Are you saying you've seen Matt throw a lot of those?

I said "rarely" not the same as "never"

Rey
08-07-2013, 11:49 AM
Are you saying you've seen Matt throw a lot of those?

I said "rarely" not the same as "never"

My point is, why would one throw during training camp "intrigue" you?

thunderkyss
08-07-2013, 11:53 AM
My point is, why would one throw during training camp "intrigue" you?

Anytime Schaub hits someone in stride intrigues me because every time he does it, he proves (to me) that he can do it. That he understands the concept & it becomes more evidence to support a statement he made a while back, that he consciously decides to under-throw a lot of balls.

Rey
08-07-2013, 11:55 AM
Anytime Schaub hits someone in stride intrigues me because every time he does it, he proves (to me) that he can do it. That he understands the concept & it becomes more evidence to support a statement he made a while back, that he consciously decides to under-throw a lot of balls.

Maybe he tried to underthrow him but messed up and accidentally put too much on it and ended up hitting him in stride.

:kitten:

CloakNNNdagger
08-07-2013, 12:07 PM
Anytime Schaub hits someone in stride intrigues me because every time he does it, he proves (to me) that he can do it. That he understands the concept & it becomes more evidence to support a statement he made a while back, that he consciously decides to under-throw a lot of balls.

Understanding the in-stride concept and having the ability to do it consistently at will are two different things. I've always had a problem accepting his statement regarding "consciously deciding to under throw a lot of balls" as anything more than an excuse.......that would also explain an apparent hesitance and/or inability to throw a fade route pass in the EZ.

AngryNateFTW
08-07-2013, 12:24 PM
@JPalmerCSN

Brian Cushing said he's a defensive minded guy & is excited to see D.J. Swearinger, Willie Jefferson & A.J. Bouye on Friday.

thunderkyss
08-07-2013, 12:39 PM
Understanding the in-stride concept and having the ability to do it consistently at will are two different things. I've always had a problem accepting his statement regarding "consciously deciding to under throw a lot of balls" as anything more than an excuse.......that would also explain an apparent hesitance and/or inability to throw a fade route pass in the EZ.

True.

Brisco_County
08-07-2013, 01:04 PM
Uhg... I just want to see some football. I'm dying here.

thunderkyss
08-07-2013, 01:08 PM
Uhg... I just want to see some football. I'm dying here.

Do you want to fight about it?


I hear it helps pass the time.

gary
08-07-2013, 01:24 PM
Martin looks great and Tate ran well. Who said Matt does not have a strong arm? He showed it off today.

Playoffs
08-07-2013, 01:32 PM
Martin looks great and Tate ran well. Who said Matt does not have a strong arm? He showed it off today.

Were you out there today, Gary? Who else made an impression?

Malloy
08-07-2013, 01:58 PM
Wade Smith left practice with a knee. #texans




His own or.. ? :)

Playoffs
08-07-2013, 02:25 PM
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Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26
Texans OLB Willie Jefferson on 1st game "It's going to be an eye-opener, out there in the red, white, and blue with that bull on my head ready to make plays"

PDS ‏@PatDStat
Herring talked highly of Tuggle and Jefferson when we talked to him. #Texans

Tuggle starting as OLB is warranted. He has slowly climbed the depth chart because of injuries. #Texans

Good chance you will see Sharpton and Mays starting at ILB.

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN

Kubiak said first team will go 10-12 plays. Tate will start. #texans

Kubiak said he expects Arian Foster to be back next week. But said that he expected him back last week too. So well see he said.

Justin Tuggle will start Friday at OLB. #texans

Kubiak said that Mercilus should be back middle of next week. But most likely wont play vs Miami. #texans

Some names thrown out by Kubiak about not playing, Montgomery, Andre Johnson including all players that don't take turf reps. #texans

Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew
Kubiak said WR Andre Johnson and other #Texans who haven't practiced on turf lately won't play Friday.

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
Kubiak: "Leslie (Frazier) has given Klint an opportunity. I'm so proud of him."

Kubiak on son Klint "it's pretty cool. I'm proud of him. He's worked real hard. I know it's something he wants to do, and Leslie (Frazie ...

Gary Kubiak's oldest son Klint is offensive quality control coach who helps with receivers at Minnesota.

HOU-TEX
08-07-2013, 02:28 PM
Tuggle to start at OLB

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 8m
Toggle will start Friday at OLB. #texans

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 5m
Kubiak said he expects Arian Foster to be back next week. But said that he expected him back last week too. So well see he said. #texans

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 9m
Kubiak said that Mercilus should be back middle of next week. But most likely wont play vs Miami. #texans

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 11m
Some names thrown out by Kubiak about not playing, Montgomery, Andre Johnson including all players that don't take turf reps. #texans

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 13m
Starters will get 10 to 12 plays on Friday. Andre Johnson won't play. #Texans

Rey
08-07-2013, 02:36 PM
Good news about them not playing. I'm not concerned with the vets really...Let them get 1 or 2 warm up games and let that be that...

I want to see the young guys...

Playoffs
08-07-2013, 02:38 PM
Good news about them not playing...Yeah I hate risking guys on turf.

thunderkyss
08-07-2013, 03:45 PM
PDS ‏@PatDStat
Good chance you will see Sharpton and Mays starting at ILB.


Are we saying Cushing won't play, or are we saying Sharpton & Mays & Cushing will start at ILB?

thunderkyss
08-07-2013, 03:46 PM
Tuggle to start at OLB

How can we have missed this Tuggle guy with all the observations we've been getting out of TC?


Or am I the only one who missed him?

Rey
08-07-2013, 03:47 PM
Are we saying Cushing won't play, or are we saying Sharpton & Mays & Cushing will start at ILB?

Cushing isn't playing.

Playoffs
08-07-2013, 03:55 PM
How can we have missed this Tuggle guy with all the observations we've been getting out of TC? Or am I the only one who missed him?Tuggle got some chances at OLB about a week ago when Mercilus went down and has been showing improvement. Reggie Herring has been talking up Tuggle & Jefferson -- everyone just seemed to focus on Willie.

Rey
08-07-2013, 03:57 PM
Lechler turned 37 today.

76Texan
08-07-2013, 04:16 PM
The TD pass to Kevin Walter last year was deep, hit him in stride and was an over the shoulder catch.

The TD to AJ was also in stride, with a pass rusher in his grill, no less.

So was the second pass to Jennings in the Bears game.
Wait, Jennings played for the Bears, never mind. :choke:

The Pencil Neck
08-07-2013, 04:32 PM
How can we have missed this Tuggle guy with all the observations we've been getting out of TC?


Or am I the only one who missed him?

Herring has recently been talking Tuggle up but... I didn't think Tuggle had performed THIS well. Kind of an eye-opener.

Can't wait!

Rey
08-07-2013, 04:48 PM
Looking at Tuggles college stuff, he has some good burst coming off the edge. If both he and Willie make it hard to cut them, I don't know what the Texans are going to do.

It's going to be tough to cut guys that have shown great ability and keep guys who haven't shown anything.

Going to be interesting to watch.

CloakNNNdagger
08-07-2013, 05:37 PM
Kubiak on HT.com


(on CB Brandon Harris’ status) “No, I don’t think Brandon will play. As a matter of fact, he probably won’t even make the trip. He’s just got a hip flexor and that’s something that can get well in a few days. I feel like if we throw him out there, we’re probably going to set him way back. I think we’ll take the smart route here and we’re going to leave a certain group of guys home and let them rehab.”

(on how OLB Sam Montgomery looked in practice and if he’ll play) “All he did was scout team stuff. He didn’t do anything that pertains to the game. It’s good to have him back. There’s no plan to play him right now. Hopefully, he’s back next week and playing against Miami.”

(on if he’s ready to see K Randy Bullock get some game action) “Yeah, I am. Randy’s been a little up and down in camp, but he did finish the other day very, very strong. I know one thing, our team believes in him. He works very hard, but he’s our guy, so going to get a lot of kicking in here in the next four weeks.”

thunderkyss
08-07-2013, 05:39 PM
Herring has recently been talking Tuggle up but... I didn't think Tuggle had performed THIS well. Kind of an eye-opener.



Kinda my point. Our eyes on the field are just repeating what the coaches are saying, not what they are seeing.

EllisUnit
08-07-2013, 06:00 PM
Kubiak on HT.com

They are going to be smart with a player during pre season as to not set him back LOL. To bad they cant take that approach during the regular season.

Brisco_County
08-07-2013, 06:38 PM
Do you want to fight about it?


I hear it helps pass the time.

I used to play this game with my friends when I was a kid. It was called "Beat the Crap out of Each Other." Nobody won.

CloakNNNdagger
08-07-2013, 06:59 PM
They are going to be smart with a player during pre season as to not set him back LOL. To bad they cant take that approach during the regular season.

Alotting only a couple of days rest for a hip flexor is like dumping a cup of water into an empty swimming pool and saying that it is full.

AngryNateFTW
08-07-2013, 07:53 PM
Justin Tuggle has a father by the name of Jessie Tuggle.

If you ever followed the Falcons or live in the Atlanta area, you've probably heard of him..

http://prod.static.falcons.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/team/history/ring-of-honor/tuggle_bio.jpg

If he's anything like his father, we've found a quality player.

Him, Jefferson, Bouye, and Dennis Johnson..

If they all contribute this year you've found 4 quality contributors in undrafted free agency.

Not bad scouting team, not bad.

Hopkins playing well, Swearinger looking like a veteran out there, Chris Jones showing that he's got some pass rush skills, Quessenberry a future piece to our offensive line, Bonner a raw project with PLENTY of upside, Ryan Griffin playing great as our #3 TE, and it's possible that Montgomery could come around.

This is obviously pretty premature (since we haven't seen them yet), but this looks to be a pretty good draft/undrafted class.

CloakNNNdagger
08-07-2013, 08:29 PM
Justin Tuggle interestingly enough played QB (considered a dual threat QB) since HS, but changed to LB 1 1/2 years prior to graduation. His reason for for switching is even more interesting. He was the back up QB to Colin Klein during a time that Klein was burning it up. So he switched to LB for greater opportunity to play.

eriadoc
08-07-2013, 10:26 PM
Justin Tuggle has a father by the name of Jessie Tuggle.

I tuned into the thread late and I was thinking "Tuggle? WTF? That dude has to be in his 50s!" LOL.

Jessie Tuggle was a helluva player.

AngryNateFTW
08-07-2013, 10:54 PM
Here's a breakdown of Justin Tuggle vs. Miami

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rck2Xgo0mSk

He is flying all over the place at the beginning of the video. Has some technique issues and probably needs to get bulkier but he has potential. As far as our LB position i'm curious if he could get more playing time as an ILB. We'll need to wait and see how he performs.

steelbtexan
08-08-2013, 12:58 AM
Justin Tuggle has a father by the name of Jessie Tuggle.

If you ever followed the Falcons or live in the Atlanta area, you've probably heard of him..

http://prod.static.falcons.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/team/history/ring-of-honor/tuggle_bio.jpg

If he's anything like his father, we've found a quality player.

Him, Jefferson, Bouye, and Dennis Johnson..

If they all contribute this year you've found 4 quality contributors in undrafted free agency.

Not bad scouting team, not bad.

Hopkins playing well, Swearinger looking like a veteran out there, Chris Jones showing that he's got some pass rush skills, Quessenberry a future piece to our offensive line, Bonner a raw project with PLENTY of upside, Ryan Griffin playing great as our #3 TE, and it's possible that Montgomery could come around.

This is obviously pretty premature (since we haven't seen them yet), but this looks to be a pretty good draft/undrafted class.

While all of this is fine and dandy,

None of this will matter if Schaub cant improve/stay healthy.

thunderkyss
08-08-2013, 07:43 AM
He is flying all over the place at the beginning of the video. Has some technique issues and probably needs to get bulkier but he has potential. As far as our LB position i'm curious if he could get more playing time as an ILB. We'll need to wait and see how he performs.

Looks like he's got a lot of experience rushing from a 2 point stance. I didn't see a lot of speed, or power, but he uses leverage well, he hustles, got an eye for the ball, & understands disrupting a play is sometimes as good as making the stop, or the tackle, or the sack.

He's got the build of a QB, or an in the box safety.

I wasn't too impressed with his pass rushing, or his abilty to set the edge against the run, but I did like his awareness of where the ball was & his ability to navigate through traffic. Looks more like an ILB to me, or more like an In the box safety unless he can put on some weight.

thunderkyss
08-08-2013, 07:45 AM
While all of this is fine and dandy,

None of this will matter if Schaub cant improve/stay healthy.

That's what we've got Tj, Case, & McGee for.

Rey
08-08-2013, 08:23 AM
I wasn't too impressed with his pass rushing, or his abilty to set the edge against the run, but I did like his awareness of where the ball was & his ability to navigate through traffic. Looks more like an ILB to me, or more like an In the box safety unless he can put on some weight.


He looked pretty good off the edge to me. I have not seen an OLB already on the roster show the burst off the edge that he or Jefferson showed in college. That's really ideal for a weakside pass rusher.

Not a necessity, but it's a huge plus.

noxiousdog
08-08-2013, 10:03 AM
That's what we've got Tj, Case, & McGee for.

That makes me feel wonderful.

:kubepalm:

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08-08-2013, 10:13 AM
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08-08-2013, 10:21 AM
SOTT: Texans To Watch: Minnesota Edition (http://www.stateofthetexans.com/texans-to-watch-minnesota-edition/)

Know Your Opponent with Mike Wobschall of Vikings.com (http://www.stateofthetexans.com/know-your-opponent-with-mike-wobeschall-of-vikings-com/)


John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
Texans rookies I'm excited 2 SEE at Minnesota: CB AJ Boye, OLB Willie Jefferson, RB Dennis Johnson, TE Ryan Griffin, OLB Justin Tuggle.

thunderkyss
08-08-2013, 11:11 AM
He looked pretty good off the edge to me. I have not seen an OLB already on the roster show the burst off the edge that he or Jefferson showed in college. That's really ideal for a weakside pass rusher.

Not a necessity, but it's a huge plus.

Did he ever get around anyone? Maybe I need to go look at it again. The only time I remember him turning the corner, he got pancaked.

Rey
08-08-2013, 11:31 AM
Did he ever get around anyone? Maybe I need to go look at it again. The only time I remember him turning the corner, he got pancaked.

I don't know which film you watched...So my comments weren't really directly about what you saw vs. what I saw...

I know that's how it looked, but I wasn't saying "you saw it wrong"...

The film of him I watched was against OU...I found it on youtube...On that film he definitely had some plus plays...

Which film did you watch?

thunderkyss
08-08-2013, 11:57 AM
Which film did you watch?

The one AngryNateFTW posted.

Here's a breakdown of Justin Tuggle vs. Miami

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rck2Xgo0mSk

michaelm
08-08-2013, 12:04 PM
Did he ever get around anyone? Maybe I need to go look at it again. The only time I remember him turning the corner, he got pancaked.

I don't know which film you watched...So my comments weren't really directly about what you saw vs. what I saw...

I know that's how it looked, but I wasn't saying "you saw it wrong"...

The film of him I watched was against OU...I found it on youtube...On that film he definitely had some plus plays...

Which film did you watch?

Are y'all talking about Jefferson or Tuggle?

TheRealJoker
08-08-2013, 12:16 PM
What's going on with Trevardo Williams? Is he injured? Why isn't he being mentioned as much as Jefferson and Tuggle? Are they just outplaying him?

CloakNNNdagger
08-08-2013, 12:35 PM
What's going on with Trevardo Williams? Is he injured? Why isn't he being mentioned as much as Jefferson and Tuggle? Are they just outplaying him?

Williams evidently has been a great disappointment to date.

thunderkyss
08-08-2013, 12:35 PM
Are y'all talking about Jefferson or Tuggle?

I'm talking about Tuggle

Playoffs
08-08-2013, 04:45 PM
Justin Tuggle #47
6'3" 244 lbs.

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Willie Jefferson #63
6'5" 250 lbs. (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2189139&postcount=476)

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AngryNateFTW
08-08-2013, 06:43 PM
Tuggle actually got a sack vs. Miami.

leebigeztx
08-08-2013, 08:08 PM
I was at camp yesterday and kicked it with wilcots and kirwan while they did the player interviews after practice. We talked about jefferson being a natural bender in his rush. For a guy 6'5, he can bend and explode off the corner. We also talked about more 3wr sets and more angle blocking. While they were interviewing meyers, the subject of angle and g-power came up. Before he answered, my buddy and I thought about brooks. Brooks on some of that angle or g-power is gonna be lethal.

I dunno how its gonna play out,but the texans will not be ablle to hide quissenbury nor jefferson on ps. In fact,both have outplayed their drafted counter parts in williams,williams,and montegomery. All in all, practice was boring. No hitting or collisions in 2.5 hrs. On a side note, schaub tried a 15 yd out and it looked like a hot air baloon was on it. Terrible,terrible throw.

thunderkyss
08-08-2013, 08:43 PM
Tuggle actually got a sack vs. Miami.

The one I saw was more of a hustle play than a "beat the man in front of you" play.

& that's fine, I like hustle. But he doesn't look like a pass rusher, or at least he needs some work. So I wouldn't put him on the weak side. He doesn't have enough in the trunk to play on the strong side.

From what I saw on that Miami game tube, he'll make his money on the inside.

thunderkyss
08-08-2013, 08:46 PM
I dunno how its gonna play out,but the texans will not be ablle to hide quissenbury nor jefferson on ps. In fact,both have outplayed their drafted counter parts in williams,williams,and montegomery.

To be fair, the two third rounders were injured. That's one of the reasons I want to see Quiz with my own eyes.

PapaL
08-08-2013, 10:27 PM
Sorry to be THAT guy but..
Quessenberry was drafted in the 6th round.

And?

steelbtexan
08-08-2013, 11:00 PM
I was at camp yesterday and kicked it with wilcots and kirwan while they did the player interviews after practice. We talked about jefferson being a natural bender in his rush. For a guy 6'5, he can bend and explode off the corner. We also talked about more 3wr sets and more angle blocking. While they were interviewing meyers, the subject of angle and g-power came up. Before he answered, my buddy and I thought about brooks. Brooks on some of that angle or g-power is gonna be lethal.

I dunno how its gonna play out,but the texans will not be ablle to hide quissenbury nor jefferson on ps. In fact,both have outplayed their drafted counter parts in williams,williams,and montegomery. All in all, practice was boring. No hitting or collisions in 2.5 hrs. On a side note, schaub tried a 15 yd out and it looked like a hot air baloon was on it. Terrible,terrible throw.

Montgomery will probably be placed on IR. (Stashed)

Williams will be cut because of the reasons you stated. (The other guys are better) You dont always hit on all of your draft picks. (It happens) Unlike Casserly regime I hope Rick/Gary just keep the best players and dont let their egos get involved.

AngryNateFTW
08-08-2013, 11:19 PM
The one I saw was more of a hustle play than a "beat the man in front of you" play.

& that's fine, I like hustle. But he doesn't look like a pass rusher, or at least he needs some work. So I wouldn't put him on the weak side. He doesn't have enough in the trunk to play on the strong side.

From what I saw on that Miami game tube, he'll make his money on the inside.

I saw the same thing. Doesn't look like a pure pass-rusher but maybe 1 game doesn't do him justice. We'll see tomorrow what the coaches see in him since he's starting.

76Texan
08-08-2013, 11:22 PM
Montgomery will probably be placed on IR. (Stashed)

Williams will be cut because of the reasons you stated. (The other guys are better) You dont always hit on all of your draft picks. (It happens) Unlike Casserly regime I hope Rick/Gary just keep the best players and dont let their egos get involved.

I think it's going to be tough to predict the roster this year.
Who knows, somebody that we think is shoed in may not make it.
They may cut Sharpton or Mays for all we know.
Or maybe they will cut Schaub, hahaha!

Wolf6151
08-09-2013, 12:18 AM
Montgomery will probably be placed on IR. (Stashed)

Williams will be cut because of the reasons you stated. (The other guys are better) You dont always hit on all of your draft picks. (It happens) Unlike Casserly regime I hope Rick/Gary just keep the best players and dont let their egos get involved.

Which Williams are you referring to, Trevardo or Brennan? I'm thinking Brennan will be an IR stash, and that Trevardo will make the roster as depth and special teams.

leebigeztx
08-09-2013, 01:00 AM
I think it's going to be tough to predict the roster this year.
Who knows, somebody that we think is shoed in may not make it.
They may cut Sharpton or Mays for all we know.
Or maybe they will cut Schaub, hahaha!

I highly doubt mays get cut. It looks like he'll probably start as that thumper next to cushing. I think if they press for roster spots, keenam goes to ps. I highly doubt anyone will pick him up. I also think with jefferson camp, braman might be in trouble. If they keep 9 lbs like most 3-4 teams, someone is gonna get cut between braman and sharpton or maybe both.

amazing80
08-09-2013, 05:25 AM
I highly doubt mays get cut. It looks like he'll probably start as that thumper next to cushing. I think if they press for roster spots, keenam goes to ps. I highly doubt anyone will pick him up. I also think with jefferson camp, braman might be in trouble. If they keep 9 lbs like most 3-4 teams, someone is gonna get cut between braman and sharpton or maybe both.

In that case, Sharpton goes, Braman is too big a beast on ST to be cut IMO.

Playoffs
08-09-2013, 08:28 AM
PDS ‏@PatDStat
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nero THE zero
08-09-2013, 08:43 AM
To be fair, the two third rounders were injured. .
Meh.

We don't know how it will turn out ultimately, but Montgomery and B. Williams stunk of bust from the minute they were drafted. They were both risky (for different reasons), high ceiling, low floor type players. The whole idea behind taking them was that Montgomery is a 1st round talent *if* there weren't work ethic concerns, and B. Williams is a 1st round talent *if* there weren't injury concerns. Well, Montgomery came into camp out of shape and B. Williams came into camp hurt.

Dollars to donuts Smith would have gone a different way with those picks if he could do it again.

thunderkyss
08-09-2013, 09:24 AM
In that case, Sharpton goes, Braman is too big a beast on ST to be cut IMO.

Braman is another one I don't understand why they keep trying him at OLB (maybe they tried ILB & it was worse, I don't know). He's talented. He works hard. He has a mean streak. If he's not getting it done on the edges, I'd like to see him attacking the LOS from the inside.

He's a beast, you'd think we could find a way to use that to our advantage.

(& it's not that I think ILB is a step down from OLB, I just think they are different & we need to find a place for some of these "good" players to play).

Porky
08-09-2013, 10:07 AM
I highly doubt mays get cut. It looks like he'll probably start as that thumper next to cushing. I think if they press for roster spots, keenam goes to ps. I highly doubt anyone will pick him up. I also think with jefferson camp, braman might be in trouble. If they keep 9 lbs like most 3-4 teams, someone is gonna get cut between braman and sharpton or maybe both.

Well, let's look at this -

ILB -
51 Mays, Joe
49 Collins, Cameron
56 Cushing, Brian
61 Davis, Ja'Gared
52 Dobbins, Tim
51 Sharpton, Darryl


OLB -
50 Braman, Bryan
63 Jefferson, Willie
64 Johnson, Delano
59 Mercilus, Whitney
53 Mohamed, Mike
57 Montgomery, Sam
58 Reed, Brooks
47 Tuggle, Justin
54 Williams, Trevardo

That's 15 LB's in camp. I think we can say with 100% certainty (except one thing which I will now knock on wood for) that Cushing, Mercilus, and Reed make it. Fairly safe imo Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins and T Williams. That is 7. So, that only leaves two by your count. I think ST will play a role here too.

You have:

Jefferson
Braman
D Johnson
M Mohamed
S Montgomery
Tuggle
Collins
J Davis

That's some tough cutting there. I see very little chance for Mohamed and Davis given the talent and depth. D Johnson, Tuggle, and Collins have a long shot chance. I see more PS chance for them.

Now we are down to Jefferson, Braman, and Montgomery. I could see them carrying all of these guys IF Montgomery can get healthy and come around. Jefferson and Braman should be ST studs. I realize Braman is limited as a LB, but he has real value as a ST, and I think they keep him based on ST.

b0ng
08-09-2013, 11:02 AM
Trevardo Williams is not getting cut and neither is Brendan Williams, what the hell is wrong with you. Same for Montgomery, those guys will be IR'd before they are cut. What the hell have you been smoking and how much do they charge for an eighth, seriously. I need weed.

Brisco_County
08-09-2013, 11:39 AM
I don't even think they'll end up on IR. They weren't drafted in the third round to be stashed. At the least, they are expected to practice with the backups and starters throughout the season.

76Texan
08-09-2013, 01:15 PM
Well, let's look at this -

ILB -
51 Mays, Joe
49 Collins, Cameron
56 Cushing, Brian
61 Davis, Ja'Gared
52 Dobbins, Tim
51 Sharpton, Darryl


OLB -
50 Braman, Bryan
63 Jefferson, Willie
64 Johnson, Delano
59 Mercilus, Whitney
53 Mohamed, Mike
57 Montgomery, Sam
58 Reed, Brooks
47 Tuggle, Justin
54 Williams, Trevardo

That's 15 LB's in camp. I think we can say with 100% certainty (except one thing which I will now knock on wood for) that Cushing, Mercilus, and Reed make it. Fairly safe imo Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins and T Williams. That is 7. So, that only leaves two by your count. I think ST will play a role here too.

You have:

Jefferson
Braman
D Johnson
M Mohamed
S Montgomery
Tuggle
Collins
J Davis

That's some tough cutting there. I see very little chance for Mohamed and Davis given the talent and depth. D Johnson, Tuggle, and Collins have a long shot chance. I see more PS chance for them.

Now we are down to Jefferson, Braman, and Montgomery. I could see them carrying all of these guys IF Montgomery can get healthy and come around. Jefferson and Braman should be ST studs. I realize Braman is limited as a LB, but he has real value as a ST, and I think they keep him based on ST.

That's tough man, especially 'cause I think they might keep only eight.

Rey
08-09-2013, 01:48 PM
I think reed being able to play inside will be a factor. Ja'gared isn't getting much hype, but I like what I saw from him in college.

I don't think Dobbins, sharpton or Mays are a lock to make it.

But I don't see how we could cut one of the udfa olb's if they show pass rush ability. I don't have any faith in any of our edge rushers to put any consistent pressure on qb's. I'd almost be more willing to put crick and Jamison out there on passing downs.

thunderkyss
08-09-2013, 01:50 PM
But I don't see how we could cut one of the udfa olb's if they show pass rush ability. I don't have any faith in any of our edge rushers to put any consistent pressure on qb's. I'd almost be more willing to put crick and Jamison out there on passing downs.

Judging by what we saw last year, that might be our best hope.

Porky
08-09-2013, 02:12 PM
I think reed being able to play inside will be a factor. Ja'gared isn't getting much hype, but I like what I saw from him in college.

I don't think Dobbins, sharpton or Mays are a lock to make it.

But I don't see how we could cut one of the udfa olb's if they show pass rush ability. I don't have any faith in any of our edge rushers to put any consistent pressure on qb's. I'd almost be more willing to put crick and Jamison out there on passing downs.

I don't think they are a lock and said so. Having said that, I'll be shocked if the final roster doesn't include all 3 of these guys (barring that thing I knock on wood about)

Corrosion
08-11-2013, 04:53 AM
Well, let's look at this -

ILB -
51 Mays, Joe
49 Collins, Cameron
56 Cushing, Brian
61 Davis, Ja'Gared
52 Dobbins, Tim
51 Sharpton, Darryl


OLB -
50 Braman, Bryan
63 Jefferson, Willie
64 Johnson, Delano
59 Mercilus, Whitney
53 Mohamed, Mike
57 Montgomery, Sam
58 Reed, Brooks
47 Tuggle, Justin
54 Williams, Trevardo

That's 15 LB's in camp. I think we can say with 100% certainty (except one thing which I will now knock on wood for) that Cushing, Mercilus, and Reed make it. Fairly safe imo Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins and T Williams. That is 7. So, that only leaves two by your count. I think ST will play a role here too.

You have:

Jefferson
Braman
D Johnson
M Mohamed
S Montgomery
Tuggle
Collins
J Davis

That's some tough cutting there. I see very little chance for Mohamed and Davis given the talent and depth. D Johnson, Tuggle, and Collins have a long shot chance. I see more PS chance for them.

Now we are down to Jefferson, Braman, and Montgomery. I could see them carrying all of these guys IF Montgomery can get healthy and come around. Jefferson and Braman should be ST studs. I realize Braman is limited as a LB, but he has real value as a ST, and I think they keep him based on ST.

ILB-

Cushing
Mays
Sharpton
Dobbins

PS - Cameron Collins

OLB -
Reed
Mercilus
Braman
S.Montgomery
T.Williams

PS - Tuggle & Jefferson.



This is another of those positions I could see them hiding a player or two on IR. Some of these guy's have a lot of promise and would be tough to cut. Only issue is that players on IR count against the cap - post 53 man roster.


Neither Williams nor Montgomery have shown much , one of them could be IR fodder this season , basically a redshirt season to learn the position and NFL game. The closer we get to the regular season and they are still playing poorly , the greater the odds it plays out with one of them IR'd.

The guy's I have listed as PS at this point are still longshots to make the final 53 even with one of the drafted rookies IR'd.


Braman aint going anywhere , he's the best ST player on a piss poor ST squad. I couldn't imagine how pathetic they would have been last season without he and Alan Ball ....


BTW it was Jefferson's blown lane assignment that led to the big KO return. Not so sure I'd pencil him as a ST stud. As Kubiak stated , he has a long way to go.

thunderkyss
08-11-2013, 05:45 AM
Wasn't Mike Muhommed playing ILB Friday night?

The Pencil Neck
08-11-2013, 12:13 PM
Wasn't Mike Muhommed playing ILB Friday night?

Yes, he was. So was Ja'Gared Davis. And... Frierson? I didn't think any of them really flashed.

amazing80
08-11-2013, 01:39 PM
Braman is another one I don't understand why they keep trying him at OLB (maybe they tried ILB & it was worse, I don't know). He's talented. He works hard. He has a mean streak. If he's not getting it done on the edges, I'd like to see him attacking the LOS from the inside.

He's a beast, you'd think we could find a way to use that to our advantage.

(& it's not that I think ILB is a step down from OLB, I just think they are different & we need to find a place for some of these "good" players to play).

I agree, Ive been advocating this mean since last year. Braman just screams ILB to me. And I thought when Cushing went down, we would at least entertain the idea of shifting Braman inside, but never did. At this point, I doubt they make that move, but I still am convinced it would be a great move.

The Pencil Neck
08-11-2013, 01:41 PM
I agree, Ive been advocating this mean since last year. Braman just screams ILB to me. And I thought when Cushing went down, we would at least entertain the idea of shifting Braman inside, but never did. At this point, I doubt they make that move, but I still am convinced it would be a great move.

IIRC, they tried him at ILB in the preseason last year. I could be wrong about that, though...

Uncle Rico
08-11-2013, 02:14 PM
:deadhorse:

Braman doesn't have it upstairs folks, starting LB's have to think believe it or not. Situational pass rusher? maybe. Straight line gunner? Definitely.

I for one am in no big rush to see Braman trailing his man for a touchdown because of a brainfart/blown coverage/missed assignment. What the hell do I know, I'm the guy who exaggerates and doesn't understand the meaning of 'finally' ... LOL.

Texn4life
08-11-2013, 02:16 PM
Is the team practicing today or is this an off day?

thunderkyss
08-11-2013, 02:19 PM
:deadhorse:

Braman doesn't have it upstairs folks, starting LB's have to think believe it or not.

You obviously don't no the story of Bobby Boucher.

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/thanksgiving-football-waterboy-slice.jpg

Uncle Rico
08-11-2013, 02:23 PM
You obviously don't no the story of Bobby Boucher.

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/thanksgiving-football-waterboy-slice.jpg


Well then lets get Ol' Bobby some high quality H2O from the glaciers of Nepal if it will help him remember his assignments and not miss tackles.

CloakNNNdagger
08-11-2013, 02:33 PM
Is the team practicing today or is this an off day?

Practicing.

Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew 9m

LB @briancushing56 was sick and missed today's #Texans practice.


Marc Vandermeer ‏@TexansVoice 8m

Kubiak: Montgomery is back 'full go'

CloakNNNdagger
08-11-2013, 02:35 PM
Funny, how some details tend to be left out by some people.

brettmo13 ‏@brettmo13 9m

“@TexansVoice: Kubiak: Montgomery is back 'full go'” A Full Go for Half Speed

DX-TEX
08-11-2013, 04:31 PM
Slow practice or no updates?

Texn4life
08-11-2013, 04:32 PM
Slow practice or no updates?

Sounds like it was just a walk through. Nothing really to report from what I've seen.

Brandon420tx
08-11-2013, 04:43 PM
Slow practice or no updates?

Aren't they done with open practices? If so there is no tweeting allowed

CloakNNNdagger
08-11-2013, 04:59 PM
Update from Drew Dougherty (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Brian-Cushing-sick-update-on-backup-QBs/808de0d8-2620-4c21-8177-3e88f70608e3) on things including QB Miami game order.

The Texans practiced outside at the Houston Methodist Training Center on Sunday afternoon. The team was in shorts and hats, and held a walk-through a day-and-a-half after beating the Vikings in the preseason opener. Linebacker Brian Cushing, however, missed because of an illness.

“He came in sick on us this morning,” head coach Gary Kubiak said. “We’ve had a few guys sick and today’s his turn I guess.”

Kubiak also said left guard Wade Smith, who’s missed some practice and didn’t play Friday at Minnesota, should return soon from a slight knee injury he suffered last week.

“Wade’s fine,” Kubiak said. “We actually slowed down his process a little bit, get the inflammation out of his knee. We’ll see where we’re at probably mid-week and make a decision on Miami for him.”



The head coach said he won’t decide until “the end of the week”, and that he wants each signal-caller getting repetitions with same groups.

For Keenum, he reiterated that his approach will be “the same as it’s always been,” and that he plans on making the most of whatever opportunity comes his way.

“I know I’m going to get a chance,” Keenum said. “That’s all I can ask for no matter what time of the game it is, what rep it is. You can’t really tell what plays it’s going to be either. Just got to go out and do my absolute best no matter what time it is and that’s the opportunity I get.”

The Texans resume two-a-days on Monday morning with an 8 a.m. CT practice followed by afternoon work at 2:15 p.m. They face the Dolphins at Reliant Stadium this Saturday night.

CloakNNNdagger
08-11-2013, 05:26 PM
From HT.com

QB Case Keenum

(on what will be the emphasis for him this week) “Lot of emphasis, pocket presence, just decision-making, operating the offense. Kind of doing a better job of operating as a quarterback, just kind of knowing what’s going on with game-time situations. There’s a lot of stuff to look at the film and work on. Just keep getting better every day like I always do.”

(on his reaction to the hype surrounding his position recently) “It is what it is. It’s the same it’s always been. I’m going to keep the same mindset I’ve always kept. Nothing’s changed. I’ve got to do better. That’s the deal. If you go out and play well, you’ve got to come back and do it again. If you go out and play bad, you’ve got to forget about it and move on. Same mindset I’ve always had.”

(on Coach Kubiak saying the he’s got his swagger back like he had in college) “I think it feels good to just get back out and play quarterback and play, and not just try to go out there and survive. Being able to operate and move the ball and know what’s going on is a big key.”

(on smiling so much when he plays football) “I can always count on you to tell the quotes or whatever is said about me. I love playing football. This is something that I’ve always loved doing and getting out there and playing quarterback especially is a lot of fun. It’s what I’m supposed to be doing right now.”

(on if he knew he was smiling that much during the game on Friday) “Yeah, I knew I was having a good time. That’s always a good thing.”

(on if anyone has said to him that smiling so much could be a sign of weakness) “No, I think you’ve got to have fun. It’s not making light of what I do by any means, but if you’re not having fun, if you’re not getting amped up, then I think you should probably be doing something else.”

Playoffs
08-11-2013, 06:05 PM
Light on tweets from half practice, bottom to top...

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro
"It’s too hot. I thank God I can’t get any blacker than this, but it’s just ridiculous hot out here, especially today.” (2/2)

Cierre Wood on the heat in Houston “Houston is a real great city. This heat, that about takes the cake for me... (1/2)

DeAndre Hopkins: "I’ve got a lot of improving to do."

"It was everything I thought it would be plus more." -- DeAndre Hopkins on his first NFL preseason game. #TexansTalk

Arian Foster, Ed Reed and DeVier Posey, three on PUP, were all still working on the side/not practicing on Sunday afternoon. #TexansTalk

“I know I’m going to get a chance. That’s all I can ask for no matter what time of the game it is."-- Case Keenum today.

OLB Sam Montgomery was "full-go" for practice today, according to Kubiak.

Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew
Kubiak also said LG Wade Smith is "fine", and #Texans will decide later in week if he plays vs. Miami.

"Just sick. We’ve had a few guys sick and today’s his turn I guess.”-- Kubiak when asked about Brian Cushing's illness.

"I don't care if I have to snap. I'll do what I have to make this team."-- Cierre Wood today.
Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock
Asked Joseph for his surprise of the game. Was an (Eddie) Pleasant surprise. Said "he's everywhere, tackling, making plays on the ball"

Vance Joseph calls Texans' secondary play "sloppy". Contributes it mostly to missed tackles & 1st "live" game. Players 1st chance to tackle

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
Brian Cushing wasn't out at practice today because he's sick.

CloakNNNdagger
08-11-2013, 06:31 PM
It's good to hear that Montgomery was back to full go practice for today today's challenging walk-through.

thunderkyss
08-11-2013, 08:42 PM
Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock

Quote:
Asked Joseph for his surprise of the game. Was an (Eddie) Pleasant surprise. Said "he's everywhere, tackling, making plays on the ball"


I've got to admit... I was upset for that TD he, Swearinger, & Carmichael allowed & that might have clouded my judgement a little. I had him in my "did not impress" column. But after watching the game again (without all the fuzz) he had a pretty respectable game.

CloakNNNdagger
08-11-2013, 09:03 PM
John McClain @McClain_on_NFL

Texans signed ILB Elliot Coffey, who played at Baylor and is Sugar Land native.
6:55 PM - 11 Aug 2013

An ex-Bronco undrafted FA from last year.

Not terribly surprising since I hear that Frierson will be or has been placed on IR.

Playoffs
08-11-2013, 09:51 PM
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26
Texans newest player, ILB Elliot Coffey, is son of former Washington Redskins safety Ken Coffey, who played with Redskins 1983-86.

Texans sign ILB Elliot Coffey from Baylor & Sugar Land Clements. He replaces ILB Evan Frierson who is going on IR.

Still chasing down if Elliot is any relation to John Coffey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Mile_(film))...

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/9/4/1346762108208/Michael-Clarke-Duncan-rig-008.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
08-11-2013, 10:11 PM
Coffey can play OLB as well as ILB, ala his Baylor days.

76Texan
08-11-2013, 10:15 PM
It's good to hear that Montgomery was back to full go practice for today today's challenging walk-through.

I got a good chuckle out of that.

Nicely done, Doc!

Playoffs
08-11-2013, 10:16 PM
Just listened to the post game podcast and it was pretty clear to me Tate's injury was he got hit in the stones, so that shouldn't be an issue outside of the PTSD that we all know follows after taking one in the jewel box. http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-cry.gif

Texn4life
08-11-2013, 10:31 PM
Just listened to the post game podcast and it was pretty clear to me Tate's injury was he got hit in the stones, so that shouldn't be an issue outside of the PTSD that we all know follows after taking one in the jewel box. http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-cry.gif

No excuse P'offs....... He should have balls of steel. He's clearly an injury prone bust. Peterson would've took it like a champ!

Playoffs
08-11-2013, 10:39 PM
Extended take, Cierre Wood Saturday gets the spotlight -- nice takes, some funny:

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Extended-Cut-RB-Cierre-Wood/194db3c6-ce29-4edd-883f-b283a2569c59


...and it's pronounced sea-air. Be sure you got that. No "a" at the end.

DocBar
08-11-2013, 10:59 PM
:spit:It's good to hear that Montgomery was back to full go practice for today today's challenging walk-through.

DocBar
08-11-2013, 11:01 PM
Just listened to the post game podcast and it was pretty clear to me Tate's injury was he got hit in the stones, so that shouldn't be an issue outside of the PTSD that we all know follows after taking one in the jewel box. http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-cry.gifI guess he found said stone after many hours spent with the trainer? He sure hasn't shown them in previous years.

Honoring Earl 34
08-12-2013, 07:36 AM
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26


Still chasing down if Elliot is any relation to John Coffey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Mile_(film))...

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/9/4/1346762108208/Michael-Clarke-Duncan-rig-008.jpg

Just listened to the post game podcast and it was pretty clear to me Tate's injury was he got hit in the stones, so that shouldn't be an issue outside of the PTSD that we all know follows after taking one in the jewel box. http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-cry.gif

Coffey has his Grandfather John's healing ability . They brought him in to work with Sharpton .

Footage of Kubiak coaching up Tate .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzCnrpfUaAk

HOU-TEX
08-12-2013, 09:06 AM
Extended take, Cierre Wood Saturday gets the spotlight -- nice takes, some funny:

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Extended-Cut-RB-Cierre-Wood/194db3c6-ce29-4edd-883f-b283a2569c59


...and it's pronounced sea-air. Be sure you got that. No "a" at the end.

I just read through the transcript. He seems to have a nice sense of humor. Funny stuff

thunderkyss
08-12-2013, 09:22 AM
We're going to have on heck of a WR corps.... They all looked good to me.

Considering we know who #1 is going to be. Our projected #2 looks like a #2 (really looking like a 1a)...

Then the next option for our QB is going to be OD or the slot receiver

Then there's going to be Graham, & Foster, then maybe our #4 receiver...

Then there's Posey.

Playoffs
08-12-2013, 09:42 AM
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PDS ‏@PatDStat
Quarterbacks struggled today. Yates and Keenum took majority of the snaps. #Texans

Sam Montgomery was a full go today. Looking forward to him against the Dolphins. Looked good in team work today. #Texans

Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26
Gary Kubiak says they are re-evaluating guard Wade Smith who has been out with a knee bruise and has not responded so far to treatment.

Gark Kubiak says Brian Cushing misses practice because he's still sick.

Deepi Sidhu ‏@DeepSlant
Yates: Gives a QB a lot of confidence to have a WR like Hopkins who can go up and make those catches.

Keenum: I've been wearing Houston on the front of my jersey for 7-8 years now. It's always fun to play in Harris County.

Keenum: Has a small window of opportunity and will make the most of it.

Keenum: Will be ready to go and do his job no matter what the decision for Sat's game

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
Gary Kubiak intentionally put Cierre Wood in difficult situations Friday night to see if he can handle them and "be a complete back".#Texans

Alan Bonner's sore hamstring didn't respond well to a workout yesterday & Kubiak said could be another week until he gets back

Houston Texans ‏@HoustonTexans
"He's a beast, man. That TD the other night was not a surprise to me." -Swearinger on DeAndre Hopkins

"I really liked the work of the second group, even our threes. Ben Jones to me is becoming a better player." -Kubiak

"QB's not here, go lead the team. Some good stuff some bad stuff; they'll get another chance tomorrow." Kubiak on Yates & Keenum competition

"Matt had a death in his family and will miss today and tomorrow. My thoughts are with him & his family." -Kubiak on Schaub #Texans

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
Matt Schaub not at practice today. Kubiak says he had a death in his family. Will miss tomorrow morning too. #Texans
Greg Bailey ‏@GregBailey13
Kubiak likes the running back battle. Obvious today the Texans will cut people who will play for other teams. Sign of strength. #Texans
Dale Robertson ‏@sportywineguy
Hottest, hardest practice of training camp this morning, most players were saying. Duane Brown called it a "sauna." #Texans

HOU-TEX
08-12-2013, 09:59 AM
We're going to have on heck of a WR corps.... They all looked good to me.

Considering we know who #1 is going to be. Our projected #2 looks like a #2 (really looking like a 1a)...

Then the next option for our QB is going to be OD or the slot receiver

Then there's going to be Graham, & Foster, then maybe our #4 receiver...

Then there's Posey.

Who? Other than AJ and De, who? I didn't see consistency from anyone else. Drops were abundant Friday night. IMO, there's a battle behind the 1 and 2 and I haven't seen anyone step up to earn diddly

It's only the 1st preseason game, but a few of these dudes have been here long enough to be better than they were. I mean, is Mahle Kubiaks nephew or something? I think the time is up for he and Jean.

thunderkyss
08-12-2013, 10:09 AM
Who? Other than AJ and De, who? I didn't see consistency from anyone else. Drops were abundant Friday night. IMO, there's a battle behind the 1 and 2 and I haven't seen anyone step up to earn diddly

.

I've yet to watch a game where no one dropped a perfectly catchable ball. It's part of the game & what separates the good from the great receivers. No one expects our 3, 4, & 5 receivers to be great.

None of those drops hurt us the only ones I felt were really of concern were the back to back drops by Maehl in the endzone. If i'm going to show enough confidence in you to go back to you after you just dropped one, you've gots to make that play.

Other than that... not a big deal. Needs to be fixed, but nothing to cut a player over. LeStar continued to get targets (get open) and turned in a nice game.


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Porky
08-12-2013, 01:51 PM
Ya I gotta disagree also with the WR good take. I thought they pretty much sucked. The end.

Playoffs
08-12-2013, 03:03 PM
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Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26
Texans def. Coordinator Wade Phillips says ILB Brian Cushing should play this week and Cushing says he's practicing to play.
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
Brian Cushing said he is practicing this week like he's going to play Saturday. Ultimately it's all up to coaches. #texan
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Coffey is from Sugar Land and grew up as a Texans fan.
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
Coffey was cleaning a rental car when his pocket buzzed. He told his manager thanks for the opportunity, "but I have to work out." #Texans

Cool little story. Elliot Coffey was working at a Sugarland Enterprise Rent-a-car when his agent called and said he has a workout w #Texans

LG Wade Smith didn't have a lot of answers about his knee. Said he should know exactly what it is and if he'll need surgery shortly. #Texans

Cushing says he had a stomach virus. Worst is behind him. #Texans

Brian Cushing was back with the team this afternoon. Was ill yesterday and this morning. #Texans

ObsiWan
08-12-2013, 04:57 PM
It's good to hear that Montgomery was back to full go practice for today today's challenging walk-through.

Maaannn... TOUGH crowd.

Honoring Earl 34
08-12-2013, 05:08 PM
Maaannn... TOUGH crowd.

Ol Sam does have some baggage but on the other hand , he has some nice SEC pelts on the wall . That's why they picked him , what he can be .

CloakNNNdagger
08-12-2013, 08:21 PM
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

LG Wade Smith didn't have a lot of answers about his knee. Said he should know exactly what it is and if he'll need surgery shortly. #Texans




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The Texans' starting left guard may have a knee injury that's more serious than initially thought. The Texans decided to be proactive in the face of that development by agreeing to a trade with the Eagles that'll bring a new offensive lineman (back) to Houston.

Earlier today, Gary Kubiak revealed that Pro Bowl left guard Wade Smith, thought to have suffered a relatively minor knee injury, is getting a second opinion after the knee failed to respond to treatment as well as the team hoped:


"Obviously, he banged knees, had his knee swell up on him, had a big bone bruise," head coach Gary Kubiak said Monday morning. "Hasn’t responded the last few days the way we wanted it. We’re re-evaluating him, having some other people look at it today."


"We were expecting him back in a few days, but it just didn’t happen," Kubiak said. I’m okay until I hear what’s next, but obviously there’s another step for us to take. Got to find out what’s going on here."

Ben Jones started in Smith's place against the Vikings last week, and there has been some talk of David Quessenberry looking good at guard in practice, but the Texans aren't exactly stacked with proven veteran depth at the position and are already dealing with questions on the right side of the offensive line. Rick Smith & Co. were proactive in addressing the uncertainty surrounding Wade Smith's health, shipping Jeff Maehl to Philadelphia in exchange for guard/tackle Nate Menkin this afternoon (h/t Jonathan Fosburgh).link (http://www.battleredblog.com/2013/8/12/4615528/breaking-news-with-questions-surrounding-wade-smiths-knee-texans-make)

Corrosion
08-12-2013, 09:10 PM
Who? Other than AJ and De, who? I didn't see consistency from anyone else. Drops were abundant Friday night. IMO, there's a battle behind the 1 and 2 and I haven't seen anyone step up to earn diddly

It's only the 1st preseason game, but a few of these dudes have been here long enough to be better than they were. I mean, is Mahle Kubiaks nephew or something? I think the time is up for he and Jean.

I hope Alec Lemon gets a shot .... and that Posey makes it back to start the season. The rest of the WR's have been underwhelming.

thunderkyss
08-12-2013, 09:28 PM
I guess the Giants 3rd, 4th, & 5th receivers never dropped a ball?

When Posey comes back, the guys we're talking about are most likely 4th, 5th, & 6th if we keep 6 WRs.

Rey
08-12-2013, 10:10 PM
I thought the receivers were fine for the first pre season game. Really I didn't have many negatives from the game.

I think my opinions will get stronger the more I see.

CloakNNNdagger
08-12-2013, 10:14 PM
Don't expect Sam Montgomery back in the next couple of days for good. That "minor" ankle sprain that would take him a couple days to come back from, turned into a high ankle sprain that would by some miracle still allow him to come back within a couple more days.........is now acting more like a "real" high ankle sprain while everyone waits for a permanent return in another couple more days........which is not going to happen........because that's not what happens with a high ankle sprain.:kitten:

Corrosion
08-13-2013, 12:06 AM
I guess the Giants 3rd, 4th, & 5th receivers never dropped a ball?

When Posey comes back, the guys we're talking about are most likely 4th, 5th, & 6th if we keep 6 WRs.


I didn't watch the Giants .... but had I done so and saw their receivers drop
about 6 balls in total , I'd be b!tching about it.


Maehl dropped two - he's gone now. Didn't see him making the team.

Martin dropped two - He's had a history of doing so. At some point it becomes alarming especially if he is pressed into meaningful action.

LeStar Jean had one hit him in the helmet and another that he let get in on his body instead of getting his hands extended. Its his third year here ... at some point we have to move on.

I thought the receivers were fine for the first pre season game. Really I didn't have many negatives from the game.

I think my opinions will get stronger the more I see.

They won the game easily .... that makes us overlook the little mistakes that have to be corrected before they can expect to beat good teams late in the season & in the playoffs.

Not a whole lot to complain about .... dropped balls , despite those the QB's looked really good and were efficient. Imagine their #'s without those 6 drops.

Special teams were another negative , the first kickoff made me want to break the TV - Jefferson failed to maintain his lane , you could see it coming and come it did ....from 8 yards deep out to the 50. At least Bullock showed he could kick them deep ... cept the last one that he knuckleballed.

The punt where Pleasant hit the returner before he caught the ball .... I give him an A for effort and an F for execution.
Shapiro looked like a hell of an upgrade ..... Lechler better not miss much more time or we may have a battle there. I hope they find a way to hide him from the rest of the league ..... like a phantom injury and trip to IR.


Im really looking forward to the next game & the majority of the starters playing , we'll get a better sense of what this team will look like then.

EllisUnit
08-13-2013, 03:42 AM
Why is D Hopkins still on this team, after that drop on Friday night i would assume he would be kicked to the curb by now. Dumb coaches and GM :kitten:

Oh lord people jean had what 2 drops, Martin what 3 ? Yes thats bad, thank god this is pre season though and thats why we play these games. If i remember correctly Jean didnt have many if any drops last year during the regular season where it really matters.

CloakNNNdagger
08-13-2013, 05:59 AM
Like it or not, unless anything changes any time soon, looks like Keo has been anointed starting safety by both Wade and Vance Joseph. Neither Reed nor Swearinger are "ready." I'm not ready to feel too comfortable that Keo is either.

Texans’ Keo happy to add starting safety to list of responsibilities
Posted on August 12, 2013 at 10:06 pm by Dale Robertson

If D.J. Swearinger is Ed Reed’s heir apparent, what does that make Shiloh Keo?

For the moment, it makes Keo the starting free safety for the Texans. End of conversation.

Neither the former Raven Reed, arguably the best safety of his generation, nor the rookie Swearinger is ready to hold down the position — for different reasons, of course — so defensive coordinator Wade Phillips and secondary coach Vance Joseph agreed they were comfortable awarding the job to Keo, 25, until further notice.

Good call. On the second play from scrimmage Friday night, less than two minutes into the Texans’ preseason opener at Minnesota, Keo clutched a deflected Christian Ponder pass for the team’s first interception.

The third-year pro from Idaho humbly insisted Monday morning that he had been “just in the right place at the right time.”

Perhaps. But getting in the right place at the right time requires football savvy and good instincts, which Keo (6-0, 202) has in spades, plus experience, which he’s gaining every day after two seasons mostly spent on special teams.

“I’ve paid my dues,” he said. “I’m an older guy now, so they hold me accountable. They hold me to higher standards. They believe in my ability to get the job done, and as long as I keep doing it, they won’t take me out.”

The 11-year veteran Reed will start when his surgically repaired hip feels right, but that might not happen any time soon. He has yet to practice, and each day that passes with him on the physically unable to perform list makes it less likely he’ll be a contributor at the outset of the regular season. And Reed or no Reed, Swearinger will eventually be Texans center fielder.

But Phillips made it clear last week the promising second-round draft choice from South Carolina must prove he’s ready intellectually, not just physically, before he’s in the conversation.

That leaves Keo, a fifth-round pick in 2011, holding down the fort next to veteran strong safety Danieal Manning.

“He’s a smart player, a very consistent player,” Joseph said of Keo, who played infrequently on defense in 2012 but made his first NFL interception. (Only 60 more, and he’ll catch up to Reed’s current total.) “He’s got great ball skills.REST OF THE STORY (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/08/texans-keo-happy-to-add-starting-safety-to-list-of-responsibilities/)

Lucky
08-13-2013, 06:34 AM
The third-year pro from Idaho humbly insisted Monday morning that he had been “just in the right place at the right time.”

Perhaps.
Perhaps? Keo was 5 yards away from the receiver when the ball was deflected into his arms. Was it his instincts that kept him that far off the receiver? Geez.

CloakNNNdagger
08-13-2013, 06:48 AM
Perhaps? Keo was 5 yards away from the receiver when the ball was deflected into his arms. Was it his instincts that kept him that far off the receiver? Geez.

An observation that seemed to be laid under the rug by all reporting sources. Glad you pointed that out.

thunderkyss
08-13-2013, 07:00 AM
Texans’ Keo happy to add starting safety to list of responsibilities
Posted on August 12, 2013 at 10:06 pm by Dale Robertson


For the moment, it makes Keo the starting free safety for the Texans. End of conversation.

Neither the former Raven Reed, arguably the best safety of his generation, nor the rookie Swearinger is ready to hold down the position — for different reasons, of course — so defensive coordinator Wade Phillips and secondary coach Vance Joseph agreed they were comfortable awarding the job to Keo, 25, until further notice.

This is probably one of those situations where the rookie seems a little too full of himself, so they're going to humble him a little bit. Tell him he has to "earn" the job.

Come Sept 9, if Reed is not ready I wouldn't be surprised to hear Swearinger made a lot of improvements in the 4 weeks between.

This is also away to pump Keo up, see what he's got. A nice way of saying sht or get off the pot.

Rey
08-13-2013, 07:26 AM
They won the game easily .... that makes us overlook the little mistakes that have to be corrected before they can expect to beat good teams late in the season & in the playoffs.


That doesn't really have a lot to do with it for me. It's the fact that it was their first live action. I'm a whole lot more forgiving in the first pre season game. I expect them to become more sharp as the pre season progresses.

I'm not too worried about the mistakes ATM.

IDEXAN
08-13-2013, 07:36 AM
Perhaps? Keo was 5 yards away from the receiver when the ball was deflected into his arms. Was it his instincts that kept him that far off the receiver? Geez.
It's called "being in the right place at the right time". And had that been Ed Reed making that play, I suspect we'd hear nothing but praise for the "instincts" of the future Hall-of-Famer on his interception. Be a little charitable here, OK.
After all, Shiloh himself may eventually make it into the Hall-of-Fame. (Idaho Vandals HOF that is).

b0ng
08-13-2013, 09:07 AM
It's called "being in the right place at the right time". And had that been Ed Reed making that play, I suspect we'd hear nothing but praise for the "instincts" of the future Hall-of-Famer on his interception. Be a little charitable here, OK.
After all, Shiloh himself may eventually make it into the Hall-of-Fame. (Idaho Vandals HOF that is).

Hey if he can consistently do that then more power to him, but outside of that INT, I really didn't think Keo did much on defense, and was pretty good on ST's. If Swearinger can't beat out Keo at some point this season then we should have cause for concern.

thunderkyss
08-13-2013, 09:16 AM
That doesn't really have a lot to do with it for me. It's the fact that it was their first live action. I'm a whole lot more forgiving in the first pre season game. I expect them to become more sharp as the pre season progresses.

I'm not too worried about the mistakes ATM.

I'm a little bit in between. I look at these preseason games as an opportunity for the coaches to get their players on film in "real" situations. Now they can look at it in the film room & say things like, "Remember how we talked about this formation, this down & distance, how we need to look for this route, or that combination... we were supposed to do this, you did that. Had you done this, that wouldn't have happened, or wouldn't have been that bad."

More or less a way to bring the lessons home.

Playoffs
08-13-2013, 09:59 AM
Tuesday 8/13 am practice...
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Quote of the day: Joe Mays on Brian Cushing's intensity, Man, that dude is a live wire. He's a little bit different... but I like going to war with guys like that.


Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley
Wade Smith LG for #Texans got a knee scope per Kubiak.

Per Kubiak, Foster fine, still dealing with back tightness, he'd like to work w/ him but just a question of when he gets off PUP.

Per Kubiak, Ed Reed working w/ rehab guy** not with the Texans, no set backs, and in coordination w/ Texans

Deepi Sidhu ‏@DeepSlant
Watt: No shock to us how well Earl Mitchell played Friday night.

Kubiak: As for Wade Smith, will know in 3-4 days where he is at. Had scope on knee this a.m.
Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26
JJ Watt expects to play against the Dolphins: "I feel great. I want to get out there. I want to play & I believe I'm going to play."

JJ Watt would like to play some offense: "I've been lobbying since Day 1. It hasn't worked yet. I don't think it's going to work anytime soon"

JJ Watt catching passes with receivers off the Jugs machine: "It's just about being an athlete. Never hurts to be able to catch a football."

Gary Kubiak says guard Wade Smith underwent a knee scope, undetermined how long Smith will be out
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
...Ben Jones is now starter.
Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro
Quarterback play was better today than yesterday. Yates and Keenum were better in today's more-structured practice.

Chris Jones has a calf strain.
Houston Texans ‏@HoustonTexans
"He played great. If you are trying to make the football team, that's a heck of a way to do it." - JJ Watt on Terrell McClain's 2.5 sacks.

"Terminology, its a couple of different things. Just being an overall better linebacker, that's what I'm aiming for." - #Texans LB Joe Mays

"They are both doing good things. They are young. What an opportunity for 2 kids. It is really competitive." - Coach Kubiak on Yates/Keenum
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Defense gets the best of late team work. INTs from Kareem Jackson, AJ Bouye and DJ Swearinger. Shouts of "DBs!!!" #texans

Talked with late round pick TE Ryan Griffin. He's a player. Can't believe how much he can learn from Owen Daniels. OD knows where seams are

DeAndre Hopkins divind TD catch in front of Kubiak. Coach looks, "are you ok?" Yea. Top pick is at it again today. #Texans

More #Texans practice notes. DJ Swearinger with the play of the day. Lunging INT at the sideline. Take the ball away from TE Garrett Graham.
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
Kubiak said David Quessenberry is in a battle with Ben Jones for the Left guard spot now. #texans

JJ Watt found out that he wears bigger gloves (XXXXL) than DeAndre Hopkins (XXXL). Watt responded "he's just a bit faster then me though". #texans

"Sundays there's not going to be many people that line up that are going to be as talented as him." Duane Brown on going against J.J. Watt. #Texans

"He's very very hungry and really wants to be better. I think he's going to be a really good pro." Duane Brown on David Quessenberry #Texans

"They're both doing some good things and they're both doing some bone head things." - Kubiak on Yates and Keenum over 2 days w/out Schaub.

Brian Cushing confirms that he will play against the Dolphins. First action since Week 5 last season against the Jets. #Texans

With all the talk about Yates vs Keenum, it was glaringly apparent after 2 days, this team is in bad shape without Matt Schaub.#texans

DJ Swearinger with the play of the day. Stole a jump ball out of the air throw by Case Keenum in 2 minute drill. #texans

JJ Watt enjoyed that today's practice was so testy. Also he wants Earl Mitchell to bring back the "thunder stomp" sack celebration. #texans
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
Kubiak said Trevardo Williams had a cyst drained on the bottom of his foot and thus got today off. #Texans

Ed Reed wasn't here today. He's working with a specialist** out of town. #Texans
**Kubiak said this specialist is a guy we know and have worked with in the past and trust.

76Texan
08-13-2013, 10:13 AM
It's called "being in the right place at the right time". And had that been Ed Reed making that play, I suspect we'd hear nothing but praise for the "instincts" of the future Hall-of-Famer on his interception. Be a little charitable here, OK.
After all, Shiloh himself may eventually make it into the Hall-of-Fame. (Idaho Vandals HOF that is).

Haha, I have Deion Sanders on my side.
I ain't worry about the naysayers. :cow:

Lucky
08-13-2013, 10:17 AM
It's called "being in the right place at the right time". And had that been Ed Reed making that play, I suspect we'd hear nothing but praise for the "instincts" of the future Hall-of-Famer on his interception. Be a little charitable here, OK.
It's called being lucky. Which is better than being unlucky. Hey, Keo didn't drop the ball, so I will give him that. And he didn't stink up the building as Carmichael did.But let's get real...Shiloh Keo is no Ed Reed and the Texans are in trouble if he is the starter at FS Week1.

76Texan
08-13-2013, 10:27 AM
It's called being lucky. Which is better than being unlucky. Hey, Keo didn't drop the ball, so I will give him that. And he didn't stink up the building as Carmichael did.But let's get real...Shiloh Keo is no Ed Reed and the Texans are in trouble if he is the starter at FS Week1.

No, he's not lucky. You are lucky.:runaway:

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Porky
08-13-2013, 12:07 PM
Perhaps? Keo was 5 yards away from the receiver when the ball was deflected into his arms. Was it his instincts that kept him that far off the receiver? Geez.

Do you know what his responsibilities were on that play? Without knowing that, it's hard to say, agreed?

I've ripped the guy to shreds for 2 years, and I don't think he is a high level starter by any means, but he had a nice game the other night. A real nice, steady performance.

PapaL
08-13-2013, 06:30 PM
"Until further notice" is what stands out to me. Keo might start but I think Swearinger plays a ton week 1; maybe even the majority of the game. I see Keo as the "Rudy" type of player.

76Texan
08-13-2013, 06:47 PM
"Until further notice" is what stands out to me. Keo might start but I think Swearinger plays a ton week 1; maybe even the majority of the game. I see Keo as the "Rudy" type of player.

I think they drafted Swearinger's to play Quin's role, which is to cover the TE and an occasional receiver. Keo is just a filler for Ed Reed.

Rey
08-13-2013, 07:02 PM
Keo shouldn't be on the team IMO. He's not that good and I think we have a couple guys that could play safety at a higher level. I'm sure he knows what he's doing better than all the young guys, and if Reed is not ready to go that's why he'll make the team.

76Texan
08-13-2013, 07:10 PM
Keo shouldn't be on the team IMO. He's not that good and I think we have a couple guys that could play safety at a higher level. I'm sure he knows what he's doing better than all the young guys, and if Reed is not ready to go that's why he'll make the team.

They let Nolan and Demps walk because it looks like Wade doesn't like marginal guys making too many mistakes.
They kept Keo, I believe, he has his head screw on right.
Why do you think the guys voted him ST captain?

It's very doubtful that the Texans would cut their ST captain.
They need as much help they can get there.

CloakNNNdagger
08-13-2013, 07:19 PM
I didn't see this posted anywhere yet (excuse if it has).

Kubiak said today that Keenum will come out as 2nd QB against Miami!

Rey
08-13-2013, 07:21 PM
They let Nolan and Demps walk because it looks like Wade doesn't like marginal guys making too many mistakes.
They kept Keo, I believe, he has his head screw on right.
Why do you think the guys voted him ST captain?

It's very doubtful that the Texans would cut their ST captain.
They need as much help they can get there.

When we had injuries at safety and they brought Nolan back, he played ahead of Keo. Whatever you think you think about marginal guys making mistakes doesn't change the fact that a guy that got cut came back and played ahead of him.

Keo is here because he's wade's guy. They picked him. Now wade has other guys and at some point hell have to face the truth about the player he picked or he'll start to lose players with more talent potentially.

As far as not cutting a st captain...yeah they would. He's not the best player on special teams and never was. You think if keo is voted special teams captain every year that'll keep him from ever being cut?

76Texan
08-13-2013, 07:52 PM
When we had injuries at safety and they brought Nolan back, he played ahead of Keo. Whatever you think you think about marginal guys making mistakes doesn't change the fact that a guy that got cut came back and played ahead of him.

Keo is here because he's wade's guy. They picked him. Now wade has other guys and at some point hell have to face the truth about the player he picked or he'll start to lose players with more talent potentially.

As far as not cutting a st captain...yeah they would. He's not the best player on special teams and never was. You think if keo is voted special teams captain every year that'll keep him from ever being cut?

Nolan was a vet that they had some hope for, but didn't pan out.
They gave him another chance, but didn't like what they saw.

I said "doubtful" that they cut the ST captain, not "definite".
Keo still has to show that he makes improvement, and so far, it seems that he did in practice such that they put him in there, and he responded well in the game.

Wade could have find a vet in the off-season, but he didn't.
A bit player would earn a minimum vet salary and doesn't break the bank.
They didn't keep Demps who has had plenty of experience.
Wade also could have kept Alan Ball who had played safety with the Cowboys.
He's a Wade's guy, too.

EllisUnit
08-13-2013, 07:54 PM
Do you know what his responsibilities were on that play? Without knowing that, it's hard to say, agreed?

I've ripped the guy to shreds for 2 years, and I don't think he is a high level starter by any means, but he had a nice game the other night. A real nice, steady performance.

ummmmmmm 76 always "knew" what KJs assignments were when we used to have our debates ;).

EllisUnit
08-13-2013, 07:56 PM
Nolan was a vet that they had some hope for, but didn't pan out.
They gave him another chance, but didn't like what they saw.

I said "doubtful" that they cut the ST captain, not "definite".
Keo still has to show that he makes improvement, and so far, it seems that he did in practice such that they put him in there, and he responded well in the game.

Wade could have find a vet in the off-season, but he didn't.
A bit player would earn a minimum vet salary and doesn't break the bank.
They didn't keep Demps who has had plenty of experience.
Wade also could have kept Alan Ball who had played safety with the Cowboys.
He's a Wade's guy, too.

I loved the way nolan played, i dont know what others on here saw our what the coaches saw, but when i saw him in games he was good. Who cares what a plyers looks like in practice if thats the case. If they can turn around and play good on sundays then so be it.

76Texan
08-13-2013, 08:01 PM
ummmmmmm 76 always "knew" what KJs assignments were when we used to have our debates ;).

No I didn't.
On some plays, I said I wasn't sure what the coverage was supposed to be; none of us can be sure; therefore, one cannot say for certain that KJax was bad on those plays.

On some plays, I try to come up with the best guess as to what the coverage was supposed to be by bringing up different things.

A few times, when the coaches did answer a question pertaining to a particular play, it was proven that I was correct in my assessments.
In no instance my analysis was rebuked by the coaches.

EllisUnit
08-13-2013, 08:01 PM
Just picking fun 76 i liked our debates :)

76Texan
08-13-2013, 08:02 PM
I loved the way nolan played, i dont know what others on here saw our what the coaches saw, but when i saw him in games he was good. Who cares what a plyers looks like in practice if thats the case. If they can turn around and play good on sundays then so be it.

That's why you keep picking losers that eventually lost their job, haha.
(Consider this one of my jabs that I promised I might take.) :)

76Texan
08-13-2013, 08:05 PM
Just picking fun 76 i liked our debates :)

I think I know what your intention was.
I've said before, I actually kinda like your style, whether we agree on things or not.

EllisUnit
08-13-2013, 08:06 PM
That's why you keep picking losers that eventually lost their job, haha.
(Consider this one of my jabs that I promised I might take.) :)

haha very true, i did like foster but then again who didnt,an jean is kinda letting me down

EllisUnit
08-13-2013, 08:15 PM
I think I know what your intention was.
I've said before, I actually kinda like your style, whether we agree on things or not.

yehi like ur style kinda to haha, you watch to much damn game film for me to fully fight with ;). I barely have enough time in the day to take a piss haha

76Texan
08-13-2013, 08:19 PM
yehi like ur style kinda to haha, you watch to much damn game film for me to fully fight with ;). I barely have enough time in the day to take a piss haha

LOL!

amazing80
08-13-2013, 08:25 PM
enough with the love fest jeez :kitten:

76Texan
08-13-2013, 08:53 PM
enough with the love fest jeez :kitten:

Need a group hug? LOL.

thunderkyss
08-13-2013, 09:11 PM
Need a group hug? LOL.

Get a room


:kitten:

Corrosion
08-13-2013, 09:30 PM
Need a group hug? LOL.

Only if its with the Texans Cheerleaders .... :bubbles:

PapaL
08-14-2013, 05:40 AM
It's happening.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/14/e8uperez.jpg

HOU-TEX
08-14-2013, 09:50 AM
Sounds like a bug must be going through the locker room.

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 4m
Kubiak: Ben Jones sick. Practiced sick. Then got carted off. /looked like needed to throw up.

Marc Vandermeer ‏@TexansVoice 7m
Kubiak: Trevardo is day to day. Ben Jones is I'll but made it thru most of practice. Wasn't pleased with offense overall.

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 8m
@HoustonTexans camp: not happy w/ offense today, happy w/ defense. Bunch of vets sat today.

This talk about taking Posey off PUP is interesting. Didn't think it'd be this soon

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 3m
Kubiak is talking about bringing WR Posey off of PUP after next game.

The Pencil Neck
08-14-2013, 09:57 AM
This talk about taking Posey off PUP is interesting. Didn't think it'd be this soon

I did not expect that. I was expecting him to sit and rehab until mid-season.

Rey
08-14-2013, 10:00 AM
I just assumed posey would be there game 1...that's why I've been putting him on my rosters. Every time I've heard him talk he has confidently said game 1.....so I believed him.

HOU-TEX
08-14-2013, 10:08 AM
I did not expect that. I was expecting him to sit and rehab until mid-season.

Me too, considering the injury

I just assumed posey would be there game 1...that's why I've been putting him on my rosters. Every time I've heard him talk he has confidently said game 1.....so I believed him.

Hope so. I'd feel a little better about our WRs after AJ and D-dre. Posey was coming on strong towards the end of the season.

Playoffs
08-14-2013, 10:09 AM
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Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
Posey did a lot of research on guys who returned from Achilles injuries in the past. Went back and watched Ravens film of Suggs. #Texans

Posey told Kubiak after his Achilles tear he'd be ready week 1. He was in a wheelchair & Kubiak looked at him like he was crazy. #Texa

Schaub missed yesterday and Monday's practices to attend his grandfather's funeral. #Texans

Matt Schaub lost his maternal grandfather. He was 90 and very close to Schaub. #Texans

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
of the 9 #Texans draft picks, Swearinger, Hopkins, Quessenberry and Griffin are the only ones that haven't missed time. #Texans #Texanstalk

"This is a big week for him. He's going to play a lot of football." Kubiak on Sam Montgomery. Look for Sonic Sam to play a lot of ST.

Owen Daniels said his brother who is walking on at U of H has "far more ability" then he ever had. #texans

Posey talked a lot about how he changed his diet while rehabbing. How certain foods affect the soft tissues of the body. #texans

Posey said his doctor is ok with him coming back for San Diego. #texans

Asked about being ready for San Diego,"oh yeah". #texans

Posey said this has been a life changing experience. Added that he hasn't taken a day off since surgery. #texans

Kubiak said Posey told him after his surgery that "Don't count him out" #texans

Kubiak said Posey is close to being lifted off the pup list as soon as after Saturdays game. #texans

Greg Bailey ‏@GregBailey13
Antonio Smith tutorial for Sam Montgomery... Teaching hand position, leverage. Last ones on the field. #Texans

Watching rookie Sam Montgomery doing extra work with Antonio Smith. The kid from LSU is way behind. Smith trying to help. Great leadership.

Tackle Duane Brown praises rookie David Quessenberry again. The 6th rd pick got some work with starters today at guard. Looks good. #Texans

QB Matt Schaub glad to be back. Where he belongs. Schaub not worried about injuries on line. Long way to go to regular season. #Texans

Gary Kubiak not thrilled with today's workout. Really pushed the pace. Team lagged a little. Nothing major. #Texans

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
Andre Johnson reiterated he's happy to have HGH testing if it makes league clean. "Guys that are clean have nothing to worry about."

A golf cart almost hit Matt Schaub during practice. "It's a good thing I've got such nimble feet. That's the youthfulness coach talks about"

Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew
Ultimately, both Kubiak & Devier Posey think the WR could play in a #Texans preseason game.

Also fwiw, #Texans WR Devier Posey said he's close to being able to dunk a basketball.

WR Devier Posey said he feels "close" to coming back from achilles injury and just needs to get his conditioning up.
Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro
Four of nine #Texans draft picks weren't healthy enough to practice today: Brennan Williams, Trevardo Williams, Alan Bonner, Chris Jones.

It's important to note that if Posey does get taken off Active/PUP and practices, he's no longer eligible for regular season PUP
Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock
There are few on the team that Schaub has more chemistry with than Garrett Graham. Has to be a big part of the future of Houston's franchise

Keo looked good today on all underneath routes. Getting several PBUs & talking some trash.

Little shoving between McCain & Boren, then Keo comes over work some quick words. Nothing escalated.

It's nothing new to watch Kareem play like a talented veteran now, but the patience & comfort in which he plays is amazing.l

Favorite play of the day. Schaub EZ fade to DeAndre, he high points over Kareem, as he's coming down, Jackson patiently knocks it out.

How much is batting passes part of the culture for the Texans? Tim, Watt, & Earl all jumped at the same time, zero passing lane. Tim gets BB

Tim Jamison played well in Texans preseason game. He's got rewarded for it with first reps with Antonio Smith talking the day off.

Antonio Smith spent 30 minutes after practice working with and/or coaching Sam Montgomery. Lot of veteran techniques & Sam was a sponge.

Kubiak on backups playing order for Dolphins, “Like I said, my thought process right now is for Case to go second, so that I can get this thing evened out in the long haul. That’s part of the deal, but whatever happens, they’re going to end up playing right now.”

WRs vs DBs today: http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/The-Drill-WRs-vs-CBs/547c65cd-45eb-4795-94b2-f56beff4676c

Rey
08-14-2013, 10:23 AM
Can you imagine if Schaub gets taken out by a golf cart at practice?!

That'd be a dumpster fire.

eriadoc
08-14-2013, 10:44 AM
Hey Schaub, just pretend those big guys rushing at you are golf carts, so the rest of us can see those nimble feet.

Playoffs
08-14-2013, 10:46 AM
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Can you imagine if Schaub gets taken out by a golf cart at practice?!

That'd be a dumpster fire.

Geez, no kidding. Can you imagine losing the season to that? They need to give whoever was driving that cart a field sobriety test.

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Texn4life
08-14-2013, 11:13 AM
Wow, I've gained a whole new level of respect for Posey. All this talk about how he lacked work ethic last year can be completely thrown out of the window now.

If he's able to be 85-90% of what he was at the end of the year last year for the Texans early on he's going to help the team.

Playoffs
08-14-2013, 11:20 AM
Must say I'm pretty darned impressed with Devier Posey. His attitude, his commitment, the research he's done, his work ethic ..... to come back this quickly from such a devastating injury is impressive. Whether he contributes this year or not, I have to say I'm 100% in this young man's corner for the way he has carried himself throughout.

My hat's off to him... http://www.council-of-elrond.com/forums/images/smilies/tiphat.gif

:logo:

HOU-TEX
08-14-2013, 11:29 AM
Wow, I've gained a whole new level of respect for Posey. All this talk about how he lacked work ethic last year can be completely thrown out of the window now.

If he's able to be 85-90% of what he was at the end of the year last year for the Texans early on he's going to help the team.

Talk from who? I don't remember hearing talk of that nature. My understanding was that it took him a little longer to grasp the playbook. Had nothing to do with work ethic

Texn4life
08-14-2013, 11:33 AM
Talk from who? I don't remember hearing talk of that nature. My understanding was that it took him a little longer to grasp the playbook. Had nothing to do with work ethic

Early on in the offseason last year Kubiak made some comments about him not being in football shape and of course people jumped to the conclusion that he lacked work ethic. In Kubiak's words he said things like "He needs to be able to run all day".

thunderkyss
08-14-2013, 11:37 AM
Early on in the offseason last year Kubiak made some comments about him not being in football shape and of course people jumped to the conclusion that he lacked work ethic. In Kubiak's words he said things like "He needs to be able to run all day".

But that had more to do with not playing football for so long because of his suspensions.

The Texans picked him up, because of the work ethic he showed while suspended & the work he put in to help the other members of the team.

He's a solid Dude, very Texans worthy.

Texn4life
08-14-2013, 11:41 AM
But that had more to do with not playing football for so long because of his suspensions.

The Texans picked him up, because of the work ethic he showed while suspended & the work he put in to help the other members of the team.

He's a solid Dude, very Texans worthy.

Of course most people know that TK, and the majority of people went to bat for him. Just go to this original Posey thread. I never once questioned this, but there were a couple of people who did. Nothing wrong with the people that did either. I think its easy to take Kubiak's quotes and run with them because he always seems to take digs at players he's trying to push, especially younger players.

3rd Round DeVier Posey WR Ohio State
(http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91696&highlight=devier+posey&page=22)

Playoffs
08-14-2013, 01:07 PM
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76Texan
08-14-2013, 01:26 PM
I just assumed posey would be there game 1...that's why I've been putting him on my rosters. Every time I've heard him talk he has confidently said game 1.....so I believed him.

I was saying the same thing.
At least, I was quite positive that he would play this year.
I never ruled him out for game 1, but didn't want to get my hope up too high.

So are we going to carry six?

b0ng
08-14-2013, 01:55 PM
I was saying the same thing.
At least, I was quite positive that he would play this year.
I never ruled him out for game 1, but didn't want to get my hope up too high.

So are we going to carry six?

Depends on how many RB's and OL we end up carrying. If we do 8 OL, and 3 RB's (with 1 FB) we'll probably carry 6, although I can definitely see Posey taking Jean's place if we only go 5 (Andre, DeAndre, KeShawn, Posey, Bonner).

EllisUnit
08-14-2013, 02:46 PM
Depends on how many RB's and OL we end up carrying. If we do 8 OL, and 3 RB's (with 1 FB) we'll probably carry 6, although I can definitely see Posey taking Jean's place if we only go 5 (Andre, DeAndre, KeShawn, Posey, Bonner).

I see them cutting martin before jean IMO.

Texn4life
08-14-2013, 02:49 PM
I see them cutting martin before jean IMO.

Martin bring Special Teams value. I honestly couldn't see this happening.

Carr Bombed
08-14-2013, 02:52 PM
I see them cutting martin before jean IMO.

Yep, was about to post the same thing.. Jean at least has size and a ability to play on the outside.. Martin doesn't really have any unique abilities.

EllisUnit
08-14-2013, 02:53 PM
Martin bring Special Teams value. I honestly couldn't see this happening.

Really ? Cause i dont recall anything special about his special teams ability last season. Looked like hell until they finally put manning back there again.

Carr Bombed
08-14-2013, 02:56 PM
Martin bring Special Teams value. I honestly couldn't see this happening.

What special teams value? I don't remember a lot of good returns.

Texn4life
08-14-2013, 02:58 PM
What special teams value? I don't remember a lot of good returns.

He had a few returns he almost took to the house. Add in the fact that our blocking stunk for most of the year then I'd say he was the least of our problems in that area.

The Pencil Neck
08-14-2013, 03:00 PM
I think they like Martin more than Jean. I think he's higher up on the depth chart.

If anything, I think it's Bonner that's got to be careful or he'll end up on the PS. For me, I see the list as:

1. AJ
2. DH
3. Posey -- Depending on his conditioning.
4. Martin
5. Bonner
6. Jean
7. Lemon
8. Cruz/EZ/Smith

EllisUnit
08-14-2013, 03:00 PM
He had a few returns he almost took to the house. Add in the fact that our blocking stunk for most of the year then I'd say he was the least of our problems in that area.

Same blocking looked pretty good for D manning when he was in.

EllisUnit
08-14-2013, 03:03 PM
Dont see how some here think Bonner is ahead of jean at this point either. I'd say

AJ
Hopkins
Posey
Jean
Martin

Texn4life
08-14-2013, 03:04 PM
Same blocking looked pretty good for D manning when he was in.

Manning is an elite return man. I never said Martin was Manning. Simply said he brings value which he does. The blocking for much of the year was bad. There is a reason we hired an Assistant Special Teams coach. There's a problem there everyone recognizes.

Rey
08-14-2013, 03:05 PM
That's interesting. I'd consider cutting Martin. At least jean has shown big play ability. Martin is a slot player that struggle to catch the ball in traffic. And I have not really seen him abuse coverage or anything offensively really. I suppose it's there somewhere, but I haven't seen it.

Cut time is really going to be interesting. Do the coaches have the stones to cut a recent draft pick in order to keepan udfa that has outplayed them? Also, do they gamble cutting a guy that is better now with hopes that the guy they're keeping has the higher potential?

b0ng
08-14-2013, 03:06 PM
Same blocking looked pretty good for D manning when he was in.

No it wasn't. I remember specifically they had some starters in on the ST's units that were not there in the regular season. This was pointed out at least in the Patriots game that I know of (I didn't watch the Bengals game broadcast until later since I was at the game).

EllisUnit
08-14-2013, 03:06 PM
Manning is an elite return man. I never said Martin was Manning. Simply said he brings value which he does. The blocking for much of the year was bad. There is a reason we hired an Assistant Special Teams coach. There's a problem there everyone recognizes.

U said the blocking was bad, nothing about how elite either guy was or was not.

badboy
08-14-2013, 03:06 PM
I'm hearing Tom Brady left practise with a knee injury and then returned. Will try to validate.


Edit: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000229900/article/tom-brady-leaves-practice-with-apparent-knee-injury
"Greg Bedard of TheMMQB.com watched Brady grab his left knee, limp off, before briefly returning to the field. Brady reportedly did not look comfortable and then had the knee checked out by trainers"

b0ng
08-14-2013, 03:07 PM
I'm hearing Tom Brady left practise with a knee injury and then returned. Will try to validate.

Greg Bedard on twitter said that.

Texn4life
08-14-2013, 03:09 PM
U said the blocking was bad, nothing about how elite either guy was or was not.

The blocking on special teams was terrible last year. You brought up Manning and I said Martin's not the returner Manning is. You can still have good returns with a returner of Martin's caliber though with good blocking. We sucked in that area most of the year. No one in the organization can argue against that.

Rey
08-14-2013, 03:09 PM
The guy I want to see is Lemon.

I think I saw him catch one pass the other night. Just his body language on that catch has me intrigued. He looked like a top caliber athlete. Very smooth footwork, effortless catch...I'm going to have to look some info up on him...

EllisUnit
08-14-2013, 03:13 PM
The blocking on special teams was terrible last year. You brought up Manning and I said Martin's not the returner Manning is. You can still have good returns with a returner of Martin's caliber though with good blocking. We sucked in that area most of the year. No one in the organization can argue against that.

With posey just coming back from major surgery i imagine they go with 6 WRs and i believe on of the 6 will be jean.

Texn4life
08-14-2013, 03:17 PM
With posey just coming back from major surgery i imagine they go with 6 WRs and i believe on of the 6 will be jean.

That's tough to say right now I think. You have some injury question marks with Smith and Reed. Do you carry an extra man at those positions is those guys aren't ready to go week 1? I can't say what I think they'll do at this point because there are too many question marks.

b0ng
08-14-2013, 03:19 PM
I'm hearing Tom Brady left practise with a knee injury and then returned. Will try to validate.


Edit: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000229900/article/tom-brady-leaves-practice-with-apparent-knee-injury
"Greg Bedard of TheMMQB.com watched Brady grab his left knee, limp off, before briefly returning to the field. Brady reportedly did not look comfortable and then had the knee checked out by trainers"

http://telly.com/13APF8V <--- video of said injury

EDIT: Nate Solder gets backed into Brady and once he goes down it looks like he grabs his lower leg almost immediately

dalemurphy
08-14-2013, 03:50 PM
The only threat to Martin's roster spot would be Bonner (of those currently on the team). I can't imagine dumping a return man and slot WR to have a 5th X or Y receiver with limited speed, agility, and special team's skills.

Porky
08-14-2013, 05:23 PM
Martin being cut isn't going to happen. That's just silly talk imo. He's had a good camp - granted his game wasn't good the other day but unless he just completely tanks in all 4 games, I think I have a better chance of replacing Martin than Jean does. And I might add, while both play WR they do not play the same spot nor have the same duties/assignments.

Who is the Slot if Martin goes? Jean? Hardly? Posey? Maybe I could buy it but Martin physically is ideally suited. He just needs to do it consistently. That's not too mention his return ability. Sometimes young WR's need a couple of years to grow. It's way, WAY too early to give up on Martin.

I put this under the heading of fantasy land. Carry on. :kubepalm:

Carr Bombed
08-14-2013, 05:58 PM
:kubepalm: This offense has never had to rely on a "slot WR", because we don't pigeon hole our receivers as X and Y or even pigeon hole them to the slot.. We move our receivers around all over the field and we use our TEs mostly in the middle. Think about who we had before Martin (who didn't play that great last year and who looks scared to catch passes in traffic).. where's all these slot receivers our offense relied on?

I also don't care about camp, It was reported he was having a good camp last year as well and then the lights came on and real bullets started flying.. sorry, but so far he has been J.A.G

ObsiWan
08-14-2013, 06:11 PM
enough with the love fest jeez :kitten:
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ObsiWan
08-14-2013, 06:16 PM
I'm hearing Tom Brady left practise with a knee injury and then returned. Will try to validate.


In a related story, Roger Goodell was seen in NFL headquarters going....

:overreact:

Texans_Chick
08-14-2013, 08:10 PM
I think they like Martin more than Jean. I think he's higher up on the depth chart.

If anything, I think it's Bonner that's got to be careful or he'll end up on the PS. For me, I see the list as:

1. AJ
2. DH
3. Posey -- Depending on his conditioning.
4. Martin
5. Bonner
6. Jean
7. Lemon
8. Cruz/EZ/Smith

Bonner still hurt. I don't know.

Jean still up and down.

Lemon had a rough day today.

Interestingly, Cruse had probably his best day today.

dalemurphy
08-14-2013, 08:24 PM
:kubepalm: This offense has never had to rely on a "slot WR", because we don't pigeon hole our receivers as X and Y or even pigeon hole them to the slot.. We move our receivers around all over the field and we use our TEs mostly in the middle. Think about who we had before Martin (who didn't play that great last year and who looks scared to catch passes in traffic).. where's all these slot receivers our offense relied on?

I also don't care about camp, It was reported he was having a good camp last year as well and then the lights came on and real bullets started flying.. sorry, but so far he has been J.A.G

The team has searched for one and struggled offensively at times because it was lacking. We thought the position important enough to keep (and utilize) David Anderson for 2-3 years.

EllisUnit
08-14-2013, 08:36 PM
The team has searched for one and struggled offensively at times because it was lacking. We thought the position important enough to keep (and utilize) David Anderson for 2-3 years.

I think what he means as we have never even attempted to use slot WRs like the patriots our even ravens do. Our offense is more about WR spreading the field at deep to medium range with the TEs doing most of the middle field stuff. I mean look they moved woodhead to slot in NE last year and watch him against us, that is how you use a slot WR. Us ummm not so much.

Texans_Chick
08-14-2013, 09:17 PM
That's interesting. I'd consider cutting Martin. At least jean has shown big play ability. Martin is a slot player that struggle to catch the ball in traffic. And I have not really seen him abuse coverage or anything offensively really. I suppose it's there somewhere, but I haven't seen it.

Cut time is really going to be interesting. Do the coaches have the stones to cut a recent draft pick in order to keepan udfa that has outplayed them? Also, do they gamble cutting a guy that is better now with hopes that the guy they're keeping has the higher potential?

Martin has had a very good camp.

Like much better than anyone not named Andre Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins.

You didn't see it in the last preseason game, but he's had a very good camp. Need to make that translate into game situations.

Also, something that makes it hard to evaluate WRs, is that for many teams, the drop off between their 1 & 2 CBs and their other CBs is fairly steep. So some of the highlight reel stuff you were hearing from camp wasn't against the best CBs.

Hopkins has had to work really hard in camp. He gets some great catches, but has to work because it is either JJo or KJ for many reps.

Lucky
08-14-2013, 09:27 PM
The team has searched for one and struggled offensively at times because it was lacking. We thought the position important enough to keep (and utilize) David Anderson for 2-3 years.
You could just as easily make the case that slot receiver was deemed unimportant enough that they would keep a fringe player like Anderson to play it, rather than spend decent $$ or picks to fill the spot.

PapaL
08-14-2013, 10:00 PM
You could just as easily make the case that slot receiver was deemed unimportant enough that they would keep a fringe player like Anderson to play it, rather than spend decent $$ or picks to fill the spot.

I just read "You could just as easily make Case that slot receiver.." I was all you've got to be f'in kidding me.

I think I need a break.

CuseFan
08-14-2013, 10:06 PM
Bonner still hurt. I don't know.

Lemon had a rough day today.


Weird, I heard he had a really good day...

Texans_Chick
08-14-2013, 10:13 PM
Weird, I heard he had a really good day...

People see different things. Both at games and at practice. When observing the same event.

You may be right. Not my observation. He has had better days and has been a standout since Bonner got hurt.

thunderkyss
08-15-2013, 01:53 AM
The only threat to Martin's roster spot would be Bonner (of those currently on the team). I can't imagine dumping a return man and slot WR to have a 5th X or Y receiver with limited speed, agility, and special team's skills.

Kubiak did mention wanting to see Lemon as a return man..... at least I think that's what I read. I'll try to find it.

Texans_Chick
08-15-2013, 07:30 AM
Kubiak did mention wanting to see Lemon as a return man..... at least I think that's what I read. I'll try to find it.

Since Bonner went out, Lemon has shined with more opportunities.

Although, will note that most of the offense looked horrible on Wednesday. Like Kubiak eyeball laser beams of death horrible. This was the kind of day that Kubiak lets loose with some anger you typically don't see on public camp days.

Rey
08-15-2013, 07:42 AM
The team has searched for one and struggled offensively at times because it was lacking. We thought the position important enough to keep (and utilize) David Anderson for 2-3 years.

The argument makes 0 sense. David Anderson is the proof that the position was important?

And you shouldn't keep players that are worse than other players. The slot receivers in this offense don't have to be little guys. Martin probably won't even play much if posey comes back and can play.

Martin hasn't even shown he can play the slot at a high level. He hasn't even flashed as a playmaker from that position. He's dropped a ton of balls when people are around him and he doesn't really catch the ball and pick up yac.

The threat to Martin is anyone that looks significantly better. He'll get the benefit if the doubt since he's a draft pick, but not because he's seen as some guru of the slot position.

PapaL
08-15-2013, 08:15 AM
Dropped Passes Stats 2012:

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2012/

Rey
08-15-2013, 09:10 AM
Dropped Passes Stats 2012:

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2012/

I didn't realize it was that bad to Martin. 4 drops on only 10 receptions is pretty bad, but I didn't realize he was targeted 28 times. 10 receptions, 4 drops...28 targets. I don't want him on the field with those numbers.

For all the warts jacoby had, he'd have been better here last year than Martin was.

Hopefully Martin takes a huge step forward because if he doesn't hes not worth much.

CloakNNNdagger
08-15-2013, 09:35 AM
It remains unclear when Ed Reed will be able to return from injury.

Texans free safety Ed Reed wasn’t at practice today. Coach Gary Kubiak said Reed was given permission to work with his own rehabilitation specialist a couple of days this week and next week.

Reed remains on the physically unable to perform list while he recovers from arthroscopic surgery on his hip. Usually, Reed works out on an adjacent field with the other players who are also recovering from injuries.

Kubiak said Reed is visiting with a rehab specialist he’s worked with while recovering from other injuries during his career. Reed is trying to return in time for the regular-season opener at San Diego.link (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/08/ed-reed-working-with-rehab-specialist-away-from-texans-camp/)

I know the Texans are playing this down. But do you really think that if all was going well and as planned, Reed would be traveling anywhere for rehab..... for any reason? Understand this. Reed has yet to be able to run and practice, and has looked somewhat gimpy, even on the sidelines. The importance of hips to a safety........for running, cutting and especially torquing/swivelling those hips that you always hear about in evaluating safeties........are like the importance of eyes to a tight rope walker. In each case, lacking that facility puts them "dead in the water."

Porky
08-15-2013, 10:08 AM
link (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/08/ed-reed-working-with-rehab-specialist-away-from-texans-camp/)

I know the Texans are playing this down. But do you really think that if all was going well and as planned, Reed would be traveling anywhere for rehab..... for any reason? Understand this. Reed has yet to be able to run and practice, and has looked somewhat gimpy, even on the sidelines. The importance of hips to a safety........for running, cutting and especially torquing/swivelling those hips that you always hear about in evaluating safeties........are like the importance of eyes to a tight rope walker. In each case, lacking that facility puts them "dead in the water."

Good point for sure. I see no reason to be optimistic that he gets off the regular season PUP list. I think he is on it and then works his way back in around mid-season.

While I highly appreciate the Veteran leadership and presence he brings to the team, I'm just not sure how good he will be on the field even at 100% health. The last couple of years he really was starting to show some wear on the tread.

I'm more pessimistic on that safety spot now than I was coming into camp because DJ isn't ready, Reed is not coming around - and that leaves us with Keo. Dear God. :choke:

b0ng
08-15-2013, 10:09 AM
Yes, Gary Kubiak is going to cut Martin because he had a terrible rookie season and didn't blow **** up in preseason game #1.

Do you guys just sit around coming up with wacky cuts that would go completely against what we know about Kubiak and Smith just so you can be mad at the Texans?

Playoffs
08-15-2013, 10:10 AM
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Kubiak: Sees Garrett Graham and Owen Daniels as co-starters due to reps/ability.

Kubiak: Arian Foster is looking good. Hope to get thru weekend clean and get him back.

Kubiak: First quarter will be 1st team, 2nd team will be run by Case Keenum this week /as was said before.
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Quessenberry & Ben Jones splitting reps at LG with the 1s today
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Ready for his first game in 10 months, Brian Cushing will have the same intensity he's had all his life. My story: http://bit.ly/16oTVT3

Kubiak said Shiloh Keo will be the first guy to return punts on Saturday.

Kubiak said starters will go for near a quarter on Saturday. #TexansTalk

Jones is excited to start on Sat for injured Wade Smith at LG. Said losing starting RG motivated him.

Ben Jones said he is feeling better today. He was sick yesterday and needed to be carted inside. #TexansTalk
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Kubiak is hoping Arian Foster has a "clean" weekend and gets back to practice next week. #Texans

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"I've never showed up for any camp not wanting to do that," Kubiak on Super Bowl being the goal. #Texans

Listen to JJ Watt for any length of time makes one thing clear: he never shies away from lofty goals. #Texans

Alan Bonner is still hurt

Rookies had to sing happy birthday to Gary Kubiak today. Initiated by Matt Schaub. #Texans

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#Texans' Gary Kubiak said J.J. Watt should be better in 2013 just by knowing Wade Phillips' D: "He’s been dominant during training camp.”

J.J. Watt: "Why not create high expectations, you know? Nobody sets the bar low and loves jumping over it." #NFL

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DX-TEX
08-15-2013, 10:37 AM
Reed will be back week 3. Texans @ Ravens. No doubt in my mind

thunderkyss
08-15-2013, 11:39 AM
Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro

Jones is excited to start on Sat for injured Wade Smith at LG. Said losing starting RG motivated him.



I was wondering about that. If he sees himself as a Center, but just helping out where he can. I like this, guy wants to start.

Texans_Chick
08-15-2013, 11:55 AM
link (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/08/ed-reed-working-with-rehab-specialist-away-from-texans-camp/)

I know the Texans are playing this down. But do you really think that if all was going well and as planned, Reed would be traveling anywhere for rehab..... for any reason? Understand this. Reed has yet to be able to run and practice, and has looked somewhat gimpy, even on the sidelines. The importance of hips to a safety........for running, cutting and especially torquing/swivelling those hips that you always hear about in evaluating safeties........are like the importance of eyes to a tight rope walker. In each case, lacking that facility puts them "dead in the water."

FWIW, he's been running on the side field. A lot. I haven't seen him look gimpy. He's been doing drills that involve changing of direction.

I'm not sure he likes people watching his workouts though. He busted me doing it once and jokingly asked me if I'd like to join him.

I think of the Ed Reed thing as sort of like accommodating Roger Clemens...he's accomplished so much in his career that you are going to let him do stuff that some other guys don't do.

Texans_Chick
08-15-2013, 12:00 PM
Yes, Gary Kubiak is going to cut Martin because he had a terrible rookie season and didn't blow **** up in preseason game #1.

Do you guys just sit around coming up with wacky cuts that would go completely against what we know about Kubiak and Smith just so you can be mad at the Texans?

Martin has had a great camp. When there is no real hitting.

That being said, he can't have last year's drops nor the drops that he had in the first preseason game.

The Texans use the short pass like a run. Dropping short gimme passes are death to the offense because the offense crushes people when down/distance sane.

Though people talk of him as a slot guy, I actually think he looks better with targets near the sidelines not over the middle. Worry some he gets knocked off his routes, over physicaled off the line.

That being said, he has had a great camp. Needs to translate it to games.

Texans_Chick
08-15-2013, 12:03 PM
I didn't realize it was that bad to Martin. 4 drops on only 10 receptions is pretty bad, but I didn't realize he was targeted 28 times. 10 receptions, 4 drops...28 targets. I don't want him on the field with those numbers.

For all the warts jacoby had, he'd have been better here last year than Martin was.

Hopefully Martin takes a huge step forward because if he doesn't hes not worth much.

What was painful about a lot of those drops were that he wasn't being used as a down field option with low percentage throws. His targets were supposed to be the gimme, move the chains ones.

I wasn't buying on Martin in the last camp. Very inconsistent. Looks much more consistent this one.

Just needs to translate that into games. 3-4 WR sets could be more fun to watch with that.

eriadoc
08-15-2013, 12:18 PM
Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock: Quessenberry & Ben Jones splitting reps at LG with the 1s today

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro: Jones is excited to start on Sat for injured Wade Smith at LG. Said losing starting RG motivated him.

Q's going to give Jones a serious run for his money.

Porky
08-15-2013, 12:44 PM
What's this I hear about Keo returning punts? Really?

I don't remember hearing of this skill in his college history although I'm not sure. He isn't fleet of foot, doesn't seem to have much wiggle or elusiveness, etc.

Anyone that can shed more light on this - thanks!

Playoffs
08-15-2013, 12:58 PM
What's this I hear about Keo returning punts? Really?

Anyone that can shed more light on this - thanks!I think just a look-see is all. May need to find #2 & #3 PR just in case.


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A new injury to Wade Smith and the return of one player in particular for the defense are the biggest stories heading into this game...

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Hopkins gives self a 'D' for his Texans game at MIN. "I've got a lot I can improve on & I can come back & do a lot better than I did."

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The Pencil Neck
08-15-2013, 01:17 PM
What's this I hear about Keo returning punts? Really?

I don't remember hearing of this skill in his college history although I'm not sure. He isn't fleet of foot, doesn't seem to have much wiggle or elusiveness, etc.

Anyone that can shed more light on this - thanks!

From what I recall at the Combine, that was one of his selling points: he could return kicks. He's the All Time Leader in Punt Return Yardage... at Idaho... which isn't really saying a whole lot.

CloakNNNdagger
08-15-2013, 01:32 PM
From what I recall at the Combine, that was one of his selling points: he could return kicks. He's the All Time Leader in Punt Return Yardage... at Idaho... which isn't really saying a whole lot.

And Kubiak last preseason:

Martin, a fourth-round draft pick, finished his college career at Michigan State ranked second in punt return yards (659) and eighth in kick return yards (1,100). Kubiak said Holliday will field all the kicks on Thursday night, but he's also confident that Martin and safeties Shiloh Keo and Danieal Manning could also handle kick-return duties. link (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/sports/pro/football&id=8787364)

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Safety @kaleo10 will return punts on Saturday night vs. Miami. http://bit.ly/1a8K05F (story via @DoughertyDrew)

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76Texan
08-15-2013, 03:09 PM
From what I recall at the Combine, that was one of his selling points: he could return kicks. He's the All Time Leader in Punt Return Yardage... at Idaho... which isn't really saying a whole lot.

Keo was also used on KO return occasionally.
In his career he also notched runs of 31, 32, and 35 yards.
Those were his only rush attempts in college.

He played 2-way in HS, at safety and RB.
In his Sr year, he rushed for 1,572 yards on 113 carries (13.9 average) with 21 TDs.
He also threw for 3TDs.
Keo was also the starting shortstop for his school baseball team.

Corrosion
08-15-2013, 05:23 PM
What's this I hear about Keo returning punts? Really?

I don't remember hearing of this skill in his college history although I'm not sure. He isn't fleet of foot, doesn't seem to have much wiggle or elusiveness, etc.

Anyone that can shed more light on this - thanks!

Keo returned punts in college .... was a very good special teams player @ Idaho.


I think its giving him an opportunity to separate himself from Pleasant because I don't see both staying on the roster (pending Reed's health).

Playoffs
08-15-2013, 05:41 PM
Texans training camp is officially over as of today. No more two-a-days.

Coach Kubiak gave the team Monday off, which was the last eligible day for TC.

(on breaking two-a-days) (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Texans-Training-Camp-Quotes-August-15/d13a3eed-94be-4525-9c7a-722e497d32fc) “You know what, it used to be a big deal. Since we’re home all the time, it’s not that big of a deal. In the old days, you were somewhere else and you got in your car and drove as fast as you could and go home. Nowadays, nothing really changes. But we’ve had a good camp. Today’s the last day, which they say it is, it’s been very good. We’ll get into our routine next week.”

Texans Training Camp Quotes: August 15

Head Coach Gary Kubiak
WR DeAndre Hopkins
S Shiloh Keo
T David Quessenberry
DE Antonio Smith
DE J.J. Watt (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Texans-Training-Camp-Quotes-August-15/d13a3eed-94be-4525-9c7a-722e497d32fc)

Porky
08-15-2013, 05:41 PM
Keo returned punts in college .... was a very good special teams player @ Idaho.


I think its giving him an opportunity to separate himself from Pleasant because I don't see both staying on the roster (pending Reed's health).

Not to split hairs, but I think the separation between Keo and Pleasant is already vast. I mean Keo wasn't starting for no reason.

Texn4life
08-15-2013, 05:56 PM
Keo returned punts in college .... was a very good special teams player @ Idaho.


I think its giving him an opportunity to separate himself from Pleasant because I don't see both staying on the roster (pending Reed's health).

Like I said before I think it all hinges on how healthy Reed is. We can't go into the season with only 3 healthy safeties so we may need to have Pleasant on the roster initially.

PapaL
08-15-2013, 06:30 PM
If I understand PUP correctly Reed would have to miss the first 6 games if he's on PUP when regular season starts. Can anyone confirm that?

Lucky
08-15-2013, 06:36 PM
Keo returned punts in college .... was a very good special teams player @ Idaho.
Since Keo has been with the Texans, have you ever seen him flash the athleticism that would lead you to believe he could be an NFL punt returner?

I haven't, either.

Lucky
08-15-2013, 06:39 PM
He played 2-way in HS, at safety and RB.
In his Sr year, he rushed for 1,572 yards on 113 carries (13.9 average) with 21 TDs.
He also threw for 3TDs.
Keo was also the starting shortstop for his school baseball team.
So what did Keo do in pee wee football? Because that would have as much bearing on his ability to perform in the NFL.

76Texan
08-15-2013, 07:02 PM
So what did Keo do in pee wee football? Because that would have as much bearing on his ability to perform in the NFL.

Why do people need to be sarcastic so often?

A guy who had shown to be able to play different positions and different sports shows that he has versatility. It is the reason that prompted Deion Sanders to praise Keo at the combine and no doubt the reason why Wade Phillips drafted him.

Or do you think differently?

PapaL
08-15-2013, 07:06 PM
So what did Keo do in pee wee football? Because that would have as much bearing on his ability to perform in the NFL.

I hear he was a beast at 4 Square. Recess monitor thought he could pro.

Lucky
08-15-2013, 08:04 PM
Or do you think differently?
Yes, I think differently. I see Keo as fringe athlete who has zero chance of being a good NFL returner. He lacks speed, quickness, agility. And that's just in his play as a safety. And I don't know or care what Sanders was thinking.

drs23
08-15-2013, 08:12 PM
If I understand PUP correctly Reed would have to miss the first 6 games if he's on PUP when regular season starts. Can anyone confirm that?

Consider it confirmed. You are indeed correct Sir.

Corrosion
08-15-2013, 08:15 PM
Yes, I think differently. I see Keo as fringe athlete who has zero chance of being a good NFL returner. He lacks speed, quickness, agility. And that's just in his play as a safety. And I don't know or care what Sanders was thinking.

He wont be special .... but he will be solid / reliable as a PR. Think Kevin Walter .....


I don't want to see him as the KR to , we saw enough of that last season ....

Lucky
08-15-2013, 08:22 PM
He wont be special .... but he will be solid / reliable as a PR. Think Kevin Walter .....
Kevin Walter wasn't a punt returner. Jacoby Jones was the 15th ranked PR in the league last year, averaging 9 yards/return. Do you think Keo has that ability? Antonio Brown is an outstanding athlete, and he averaged 6.8 yards/punt return. Could Keo approach that?

Could Keo fair catch without muffing? Sure. Is that what the Texans are looking for in their return game? Sounds like another huge fail is looming for the Texans special teams.

76Texan
08-15-2013, 08:28 PM
Yes, I think differently. I see Keo as fringe athlete who has zero chance of being a good NFL returner. He lacks speed, quickness, agility. And that's just in his play as a safety. And I don't know or care what Sanders was thinking.

Well, so far he has one punt return for 11 yards (in 2011), so it wasn't like he was terrible right off the bat.

Also, he had dropped some weight.
He's listed on the Texans website at 209 instead of 219 at the combine.

Now he didn't run a fast forty at the combine, but his other numbers show more burst than people tend to believe.

Check the numbers out at nfldraftscout.

D Manning may have ran a 4.48 at the combine (at 202lbs), but his ten-yd split was 1.62, as compared to 1.61 for Keo.

His 20SS time and 3-comes were 4.08 and 7.24
Keo's numbers were 3.9 and 6.55, both were quite superior to Manning's

Those three numbers combined with the weight loss tend to show an athelete with a quick short burst, which is what you want in a punt returner.

Corrosion
08-15-2013, 08:29 PM
Kevin Walter wasn't a punt returner. Jacoby Jones was the 15th ranked PR in the league last year, averaging 9 yards/return. Do you think Keo has that ability? Antonio Brown is an outstanding athlete, and he averaged 6.8 yards/punt return. Could Keo approach that?

Could Keo fair catch without muffing? Sure. Is that what the Texans are looking for in their return game? Sounds like another huge fail is looming for the Texans special teams.

What I mean was think of KW as a receiver - not special or spectacular .... just solid / reliable. That's what I see from Keo as a PR.


That's not to say he's the PR during the season .... but he will be a reliable PR who will protect the ball and make no mistakes if he's called upon.

Yeah , I think he could average 6-7.5ypr .... No he wont give us the highlight reel plays Jacoby Jones is capable of , but he wont scare the sh!t outa us every time he touches the ball either.

CretorFrigg
08-15-2013, 08:39 PM
Why isn't Martin returning punts/kicks? In my opinion, he's the most capable returner right now. He's fast and quick.

Keo's the guy who showed up at the combine with 20% body fat as a defensive back. Fail. And he's supposed to be returning kicks and punts? Please tell me it's a joke.

AngryNateFTW
08-15-2013, 08:43 PM
Well, so far he has one punt return for 11 yards (in 2011), so it wasn't like he was terrible right off the bat.

Also, he had dropped some weight.
He's listed on the Texans website at 209 instead of 219 at the combine.

Now he didn't run a fast forty at the combine, but his other numbers show more burst than people tend to believe.

Check the numbers out at nfldraftscout.

D Manning may have ran a 4.48 at the combine (at 202lbs), but his ten-yd split was 1.62, as compared to 1.61 for Keo.

His 20SS time and 3-comes were 4.08 and 7.24
Keo's numbers were 3.9 and 6.55, both were quite superior to Manning's

Those three numbers combined with the weight loss tend to show an athelete with a quick short burst, which is what you want in a punt returner.

Interesting fact, Earl Mitchell's 10-yard split is 1.56.

Faster than both of them.

Big Earl returning punts? :cool: :texflag:

IDEXAN
08-15-2013, 10:21 PM
Why isn't Martin returning punts/kicks? In my opinion, he's the most capable returner right now. He's fast and quick.

Keo's the guy who showed up at the combine with 20% body fat as a defensive back. Fail. And he's supposed to be returning kicks and punts? Please tell me it's a joke.

Could be Keo is saving a gear that nobody has ever seen, not even himself ?
But seriously, maybe Keo is better than Martin when it comes to ball security, atleast that's how the coaching staff may very well feel and that's all that really counts, and ultimately the #1 priority for kick and punt return guys is hanging onto the ball.
But why all the abuse for Shiloh, why not be happy for a guy who is clearly not a superior physical specimen or gifted athlete, but apparently has overcome his physical limitations to perhaps carve out his own little niche in the NFL.

EllisUnit
08-15-2013, 10:51 PM
Could be Keo is saving a gear that nobody has ever seen, not even himself ?
But seriously, maybe Keo is better than Martin when it comes to ball security, atleast that's how the coaching staff may very well feel and that's all that really counts, and ultimately the #1 priority for kick and punt return guys is hanging onto the ball.
But why all the abuse for Shiloh, why not be happy for a guy who is clearly not a superior physical specimen or gifted athlete, but apparently has overcome his physical limitations to perhaps carve out his own little niche in the NFL.

it dont matter all he has to do is neal and we start at the 20, the NFL is trying to get rid of kick off returns. Thank god for us haha

DocBar
08-15-2013, 11:13 PM
Could be Keo is saving a gear that nobody has ever seen, not even himself ?
But seriously, maybe Keo is better than Martin when it comes to ball security, atleast that's how the coaching staff may very well feel and that's all that really counts, and ultimately the #1 priority for kick and punt return guys is hanging onto the ball.
But why all the abuse for Shiloh, why not be happy for a guy who is clearly not a superior physical specimen or gifted athlete, but apparently has overcome his physical limitations to perhaps carve out his own little niche in the NFL.Yeah, Keo is just waiting in the wings and saying " I can't wait until Kubiak puts me in a real game and I show him what vision, moves and speed I have. Keo's dream is to make the roster as a ST player. Why risk your health by showing that skill in practice.::worldpeace:

Rey
08-16-2013, 07:56 AM
Just heard that the 49ers are likely going to cut AJ Jenkins. Not posting that to say oooh let's pick him up, but I thought it was somewhat relevant to the Keyshawn Martin discussion.

PapaL
08-16-2013, 08:27 AM
Just heard that the 49ers are likely going to cut AJ Jenkins. Not posting that to say oooh let's pick him up, but I thought it was somewhat relevant to the Keyshawn Martin discussion.

His drop rate is 100% hahaha.

Although healthy all season, Jenkins was active for only three of the 49ers 16 regular season games.[8] In his rookie regular season he played in only 37 offensive snaps and was targeted with a pass just once, which he dropped.

Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._J._Jenkins)

Blake
08-16-2013, 08:43 AM
Just heard that the 49ers are likely going to cut AJ Jenkins. Not posting that to say oooh let's pick him up, but I thought it was somewhat relevant to the Keyshawn Martin discussion.

Wow. I remember thinking that was a bad draft choice, and the 49ers missed out on some good talent by taking this kid. Note to self, dont draft offensive players from Illinois.

Porky
08-16-2013, 10:17 AM
I don't mind seeing Keo field punts in a meaningless game to get some experience under his belt in case he needs to be called in for emergency duty. But if this is a real deal to see if he can handle the primary PR duties, I scoff at the notion.

b0ng
08-16-2013, 12:25 PM
Just heard that the 49ers are likely going to cut AJ Jenkins. Not posting that to say oooh let's pick him up, but I thought it was somewhat relevant to the Keyshawn Martin discussion.

I have no idea how the two are even close to being related other than they both were drafted last year and play WR.

paycheck71
08-16-2013, 12:27 PM
I have no idea how the two are even close to being related other than they both were drafted last year and play WR.

I'm pretty sure he's pointing out that you CAN cut a player you used a high draft pick on if he's not cutting it.