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2slik4u
07-09-2013, 09:53 PM
Sorry but the boards have been fairly drab lately with the lull in football action so I figured I'd post this for a few of you to get excited seeing as how we're a month away from game action.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/640pP6eJXws

badboy
07-09-2013, 09:56 PM
How about a video running an obstacle course or series of tires? This was good to see but didn't do a lot for me.

Rey
07-09-2013, 09:57 PM
He looks a little leaner to me...I like it...I think it'll help him move a bit better.

2slik4u
07-09-2013, 10:02 PM
How about a video running an obstacle course or series of tires? This was good to see but didn't do a lot for me.

Didn't have much of a choice of videos but when you do a 52" sitting box jump...that's damn impressive coming off knee surgery.

the wonger need food
07-09-2013, 10:33 PM
Anyone that's had an ACL knows that forward/back movement isn't the biggest issue... it's the side-to-side, lateral moves that are the last to come back. Another huge factor is the mentality to fly around without worrying about a re-injury.

I believe Cush will make a full comeback eventually but would feel much more comfortable with a solid Plan B at ILB.

thunderkyss
07-09-2013, 10:35 PM
Didn't have much of a choice of videos but when you do a 52" sitting box jump...that's damn impressive coming off knee surgery.

Yeah......... I bet that's not on the regimine for ACL reconstruction physical therapy.

I'm sure it feels fine, but that right there is the kind of thing that's going to sideline him for another season.

He needs to put that thing up on a pillow & hit the bluebell.

aussie_texan
07-09-2013, 11:49 PM
Anyone that's had an ACL knows that forward/back movement isn't the biggest issue... it's the side-to-side, lateral moves that are the last to come back. Another huge factor is the mentality to fly around without worrying about a re-injury.

I believe Cush will make a full comeback eventually but would feel much more comfortable with a solid Plan B at ILB.

spot on especially the mental aspect!
pretty much all this shows is that is got full strength back in the muscles surrounding the knee.
but its good to see none the less

CretorFrigg
07-10-2013, 12:20 AM
2012Champs, how do you like them leggings? ;)

Texans_Chick
07-15-2013, 12:52 PM
Anyone that's had an ACL knows that forward/back movement isn't the biggest issue... it's the side-to-side, lateral moves that are the last to come back. Another huge factor is the mentality to fly around without worrying about a re-injury.

I believe Cush will make a full comeback eventually but would feel much more comfortable with a solid Plan B at ILB.

He's been on the side field during minicamp/OTAs doing rehab drills--lots of all sorts of running/movement. Looks like Cush.

76Texan
07-15-2013, 01:28 PM
He's been on the side field during minicamp/OTAs doing rehab drills--lots of all sorts of running/movement. Looks like Cush.

I certainly hope so, TC.

Nothing's like a hungry cookie monster.

2012Champs
07-15-2013, 01:37 PM
2012Champs, how do you like them leggings? ;)



Slightly different scenario than the previous example

the wonger need food
07-15-2013, 06:48 PM
He's been on the side field during minicamp/OTAs doing rehab drills--lots of all sorts of running/movement. Looks like Cush.

Not really comparable to an NFL game with 300lb. men flying around your knees. Another thing we don't know is the post workout pain/stiffness he's experiencing. Athletes are typically pros at covering up injuries to stay on the field.

Hopefully he makes an AD type recovery. If anyone can pull it off it's Cushing. The funny part is that if he has an All-Pro year it will go widely ignored, unlike AD who is now some sort of mythical god for his recovery.

IDEXAN
07-16-2013, 08:47 AM
Everybody who thinks Cushing's full recovery and back to his former self/form
right off of the bat in the 2013 season is a slam-dunk is in deep denial IMO. I expect him to recover and continue his career in the NFL, but I think how soon he recovers is very uncertain and his return to 100% of his old self is also uncertain.
I'm not trying to be a pessimist here, I'm just suggesting that what kind of player Cushing is when he completes his recovery may fall short of what he was prior to his injury. We just have to wait and see.

HOU-TEX
07-16-2013, 11:21 AM
Everybody who thinks Cushing's full recovery and back to his former self/form
right off of the bat in the 2013 season is a slam-dunk is in deep denial IMO. I expect him to recover and continue his career in the NFL, but I think how soon he recovers is very uncertain and his return to 100% of his old self is also uncertain.
I'm not trying to be a pessimist here, I'm just suggesting that what kind of player Cushing is when he completes his recovery may fall short of what he was prior to his injury. We just have to wait and see.

Eh, I think he's going to come out kickin ass. The dude's a freak when he hits that field and I do not expect that to change.

2slik4u
07-16-2013, 01:14 PM
Everybody who thinks Cushing's full recovery and back to his former self/form
right off of the bat in the 2013 season is a slam-dunk is in deep denial IMO. I expect him to recover and continue his career in the NFL, but I think how soon he recovers is very uncertain and his return to 100% of his old self is also uncertain.
I'm not trying to be a pessimist here, I'm just suggesting that what kind of player Cushing is when he completes his recovery may fall short of what he was prior to his injury. We just have to wait and see.

That's what they said about Adrian Peterson...

Signed,

Jamaal Charles

76Texan
07-16-2013, 02:31 PM
It's too early to say one way or another; I'll just keep my fingers crossed.

rockabilly
07-16-2013, 06:04 PM
The company I work for has been providing his supplements and protein formula. I also am in contact with his personal trainer. Word in the gym is that he is looking mighty fine. He's going to be faster out there, even post ACL.

Fred
07-16-2013, 06:29 PM
The company I work for has been providing his supplements and protein formula. I also am in contact with his personal trainer. Word in the gym is that he is looking mighty fine. He's going to be faster out there, even post ACL.

Hmmm, I hope none of these supplements are going to get him pregnant again like happened last time.

HJam72
07-16-2013, 10:09 PM
Hmmm, I hope none of these supplements are going to get him pregnant again like happened last time.

Ha! We have somebody to blame next time! :)

CloakNNNdagger
07-16-2013, 10:29 PM
It's too early to say one way or another I'll just keep my fingers crossed.

I'll go back to what I've said before. The #1 reason found in studies for setbacks was pushing rehab to beat the expected 9 to 12 month time period. Seated 52" box jumps under controlled conditions look impressive, but with it solid lateral stability is demonstrated to only a modest extent. Cutting in full speed, sustaining violent hits to the knee straight on or from the sides repeatedly will be the only ultimate tests. Cushing has always been referred to in the past as a "workout warrior." In the past this has translated to equivalent performance on the field. Unfortunately, under the circumstances, this term cannot automatically be assigned as having the same relationship to his expected ultimate level of return. How many "workout warriors" have not lived up to translation on the field? Cushing has a long road to hoe, and the odds are against him reaching his max short of the 9-12 month point, and possibly up to 1 1/2 - 2 years. And then returning to the "old Cush" is more hopeful than realistic at this point. Reality is frightening enough..........without at least half way being prepared for it. Let's all stay hopeful for now..........but not unprepared for a pinch of reality should it rear its ugly head. :texflag:

The Pencil Neck
07-17-2013, 02:16 AM
Cushing has always been referred to in the past as a "workout warrior." In the past this has translated to equivalent performance on the field. Unfortunately, under the circumstances, this term cannot automatically be assigned as having the same relationship to his expected ultimate level of return. How many "workout warriors" have not lived up to translation on the field? Cushing has a long road to hoe, and the odds are against him reaching his max short of the 9-12 month point, and possibly up to 1 1/2 - 2 years. And then returning to the "old Cush" is more hopeful than realistic at this point. Reality is frightening enough..........without at least half way being prepared for it. Let's all stay hopeful for now..........but not unprepared for a pinch of reality should it rear its ugly head. :texflag:

I'm going to disagree with the definition of "workout warrior" used here in relation to Cush. For me at least, a "workout warrior" is a player that looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane, a player who has big numbers on tests like they run in the combine but who can't translate those numbers into performance on the field. I've never heard of or considered Cush a workout warrior by that definition.

He's a gymrat.

Totally different thing.

What I've liked about what I've seen of Cush's training is that it involves a lot of the powerlifting techniques and approaches I'm used to and comfortable with supplemented with a lot of the power training plyometrics that great OL coaches like Dr. Mel Siff were so enamored with for improving athletic performance and explosiveness. He's got a more informed approach than you see most people use.

That was what killed David Boston. He had all the talent and potential in the world. He became a gymrat but instead of using a lifting approach that improved performance, he used one that increased size, one that didn't really translate to the field. So he got big and ripped and awesome looking but... he slowed down and lost his speed and agility.

When you're that kind of gymrat, it's hard NOT to lift. It's hard NOT to push the rehab to the point where it loses effectiveness. I trust Cush and his coaches to make the right choices in how to both satisfy his workout addiction AND limit the stressors that they place on that injury so that it's within healthy bounds. Box Jumps could be an example of a way to work out and maintain explosiveness without putting too much of the wrong stress on the knee.

At least, that's the way I'm choosing to look at it. :)

ObsiWan
07-17-2013, 05:56 AM
I'll go back to what I've said before. The #1 reason found in studies for setbacks was pushing rehab to beat the expected 9 to 12 month time period. Seated 52" box jumps under controlled conditions look impressive, but with it solid lateral stability is demonstrated to only a modest extent. Cutting in full speed, sustaining violent hits to the knee straight on or from the sides repeatedly will be the only ultimate tests. Cushing has always been referred to in the past as a "workout warrior." In the past this has translated to equivalent performance on the field. Unfortunately, under the circumstances, this term cannot automatically be assigned as having the same relationship to his expected ultimate level of return. How many "workout warriors" have not lived up to translation on the field? Cushing has a long road to hoe, and the odds are against him reaching his max short of the 9-12 month point, and possibly up to 1 1/2 - 2 years. And then returning to the "old Cush" is more hopeful than realistic at this point. Reality is frightening enough..........without at least half way being prepared for it. Let's all stay hopeful for now..........but not unprepared for a pinch of reality should it rear its ugly head. :texflag:

Do you think the Texans med staff will outfit him with a brace for stability?
Should they?
:thinking:

ObsiWan
07-17-2013, 05:57 AM
oops... duplicate post

:texflag:[/quote]

aussie_texan
07-17-2013, 06:51 AM
Do you think the Texans med staff will outfit him with a brace for stability?
Should they?
:thinking:

from my knowledge braces to prevent or protect the knee post acl reconstruction dont really do a lot. because for it to work properly it would have to removal lateral movement and obviously in sport lateral movement is a must

Texans_Chick
07-17-2013, 07:48 AM
Trainer for the Texans was on Texans radio yesterday. From the clip I heard, he said that Cushing is doing well. That the players who are motivated and have a great work ethic tend to do the best with rehabilitation. FWIW.

CloakNNNdagger
07-17-2013, 08:39 AM
Do you think the Texans med staff will outfit him with a brace for stability?
Should they?
:thinking:

from my knowledge braces to prevent or protect the knee post acl reconstruction dont really do a lot. because for it to work properly it would have to removal lateral movement and obviously in sport lateral movement is a must


This is a controversial topic with no clear answer. Many players who return to high-level sports within a year of surgery will use a knee brace. No scientific data has shown that using a knee brace will prevent re-injury to the ACL. However, many players may choose to wear a knee brace anyway.
While they may help support the knee when low forces are applied, these forces would not be expected to cause injury to the reconstructed ACL anyway. However, a force that is high enough to disrupt the reconstructed ACL would not be effectively stabilized by the knee brace.

Despite studies showing no true advantage to wearing a brace vs. no brace, including likelihood of ACL re-injury, many aplayers feel more comfortable/"secure" wearing the knee brace upon returning to sports after an ACL reconstruction. At least, it has never been found that there is any real harm caused by wearing a brace. The knee joint was never meant to have any significant contribution to lateral motion, except for stability against any lateral-medial "flex" in the joint, something that a brace in theory for the most part blocks. So, if wearing a knee brace makes the player more comfortable, then it is probably appropriate. The player should just understand that wearing the brace does not change their likelihood of re-injuring the ACL.

Adrian Peterson said decided not to wear a brace once back on the field
because the brace was uncomfortable for him and he felt it would act as a mental crutch and constant reminder of his previous injury.

steelbtexan
07-17-2013, 09:26 AM
I'm going to disagree with the definition of "workout warrior" used here in relation to Cush. For me at least, a "workout warrior" is a player that looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane, a player who has big numbers on tests like they run in the combine but who can't translate those numbers into performance on the field. I've never heard of or considered Cush a workout warrior by that definition.

He's a gymrat.

Totally different thing.

What I've liked about what I've seen of Cush's training is that it involves a lot of the powerlifting techniques and approaches I'm used to and comfortable with supplemented with a lot of the power training plyometrics that great OL coaches like Dr. Mel Siff were so enamored with for improving athletic performance and explosiveness. He's got a more informed approach than you see most people use.

That was what killed David Boston. He had all the talent and potential in the world. He became a gymrat but instead of using a lifting approach that improved performance, he used one that increased size, one that didn't really translate to the field. So he got big and ripped and awesome looking but... he slowed down and lost his speed and agility.

When you're that kind of gymrat, it's hard NOT to lift. It's hard NOT to push the rehab to the point where it loses effectiveness. I trust Cush and his coaches to make the right choices in how to both satisfy his workout addiction AND limit the stressors that they place on that injury so that it's within healthy bounds. Box Jumps could be an example of a way to work out and maintain explosiveness without putting too much of the wrong stress on the knee.

At least, that's the way I'm choosing to look at it. :)

I agree with you, but agree with Doc also.

Cushings workout regimine will hopefully help in his rehab. But like Doc said you wont really know until the live bullets start to fly.

Boston turned into somekind of roided up freak whose mental problems overcame him. He did retain his straight line speed though.

steelbtexan
07-17-2013, 09:29 AM
Trainer for the Texans was on Texans radio yesterday. From the clip I heard, he said that Cushing is doing well. That the players who are motivated and have a great work ethic tend to do the best with rehabilitation. FWIW.

You trust the Texans medical staff?

CloakNNNdagger
07-17-2013, 10:33 AM
Trainer for the Texans was on Texans radio yesterday. From the clip I heard, he said that Cushing is doing well. That the players who are motivated and have a great work ethic tend to do the best with rehabilitation. FWIW.

No doubt that this is true. That's what gives Cushing the best chance to regain the greatest return his body will allow. It's the latter that cannot be accurately predicted.

HOU-TEX
07-17-2013, 02:18 PM
He's been cleared. Here we go!

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 10m
Dr. Andrews has cleared Texans LB Brian Cushing (ACL). He'll be ready to go for training camp, but the team is expected to ease him in.

DX-TEX
07-17-2013, 02:34 PM
He's been cleared. Here we go!

RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.6magazineonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/54-Brian-Cushing.jpg

HOU-TEX
07-17-2013, 02:50 PM
RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.6magazineonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/54-Brian-Cushing.jpg

I can't wait, man. IMO, he's still the linchpin of our defense. His energy and aggressiveness is essential to our D. To me, he's the difference between a top 15 D to a top 5.

The problem I have is who's pairing up with him? I'm not willing to count on Sharpton for dittly.

b0ng
07-17-2013, 03:32 PM
I can't wait, man. IMO, he's still the linchpin of our defense. His energy and aggressiveness is essential to our D. To me, he's the difference between a top 15 D to a top 5.

The problem I have is who's pairing up with him? I'm not willing to count on Sharpton for dittly.

Last year it was Bradie James that was paired with Cushing and everything was pretty much hunky dory. If the Psycho is even at 3/4ths of what he was in the first 7 weeks of 2012 then anything we get from Sharpton will be gravy (And the bar being Bradie James isn't exactly a high bar we're talking about here). You also still have Brooks Reed playing next to him on the other side, and while he's not a sack artist, he's still a decent LB.

CloakNNNdagger
07-17-2013, 10:00 PM
He's been cleared. Here we go!

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 10m
Dr. Andrews has cleared Texans LB Brian Cushing (ACL). He'll be ready to go for training camp, but the team is expected to ease him in.

Isn't he the same doc that cleared RGIII to go back into a game repeatedly while it was apparent to all that his wheels were falling off?.........:kitten:

The Pencil Neck
07-18-2013, 03:48 AM
Isn't he the same doc that cleared RGIII to go back into a game repeatedly while it was apparent to all that his wheels were falling off?.........:kitten:

Why I oughta...

HOU-TEX
07-18-2013, 09:36 AM
Isn't he the same doc that cleared RGIII to go back into a game repeatedly while it was apparent to all that his wheels were falling off?.........:kitten:

Depends on who you want to believe. Shanny? Or the doctor?

"(Griffin) didn't even let us look at him," Andrews said. "He came off the field, walked through the sidelines, circled back through the players and took off back to the field. It wasn't our opinion.

"We didn't even get to touch him or talk to him. Scared the hell out of me."

Yet when asked by news reporters, Shanahan described a conversation with Andrews this way:

"He's on the sidelines with Dr. Andrews. He had a chance to look at him and he said he could go back in," Shanahan said Dec. 10. "(I said) 'Hey, Dr. Andrews, can Robert go back in?'

'Yeah, he can go back in.'

'Robert, go back in.'

"That was it," Shanahan said.

Shanahan and the team were criticized and fined earlier this season for the handling of another Griffin injury. The team described Griffin III as being "shaken up" immediately after he suffered a concussion in Week 5 against the Atlanta Falcons. The NFL fined the Redskins $20,000 for not properly informing the news media of the injury.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/redskins/2013/01/06/dr-james-andrews-disputes-coach-mike-shanahans-version-of-washington-redskins-quarterback-robert-griffin-iii-knee-injury/1811689/

infantrycak
07-18-2013, 09:57 AM
Depends on who you want to believe. Shanny? Or the doctor?

Well from those two accounts Andrews looks like a liar. During the game they showed Andrews and RGIII going into a small room built onto the sideline and coming out a little while later. Andrews definitely got a chance to look at him.

CloakNNNdagger
07-18-2013, 10:38 AM
Well from those two accounts Andrews looks like a liar. During the game they showed Andrews and RGIII going into a small room built onto the sideline and coming out a little while later. Andrews definitely got a chance to look at him.


Let's not forget the Ravens game where he sustained a "mild" knee sprain. When he came back only after missing ONE game, he came back wearing a huge ROBOCOP-type knee brace used only for serious ligament tears (in this case the lateral collateral ligament). With his apparent gross instability, he certainly did not have a "mild" (Grade I) tear, and he should have never been cleared to return to play short of 4-6 weeks following the Seatle game. I remember when Andrews told USA Today he had "been a nervous wreck" about how fast he "LET" the Redskins rush Griffin back, and going into the Wild Card Game, he was "holding his breath" about the knee's strength.

Only that's not the way it happened, Andrews said. What's more, Andrews remains worried about Griffin's health as the Redskins play the Seattle Seahawks in an NFC wild-card game at FedEx Field today.

"I'm the one that shut him down that day[Seattle], finally," Andrews said. "I've been a nervous wreck letting him come back as quick as he has. He's doing a lot better this week, but he's still recovering and I'm holding my breath because of it.

"He passed all the tests and all the functional things we do, but it's been a trying moment for me, to be honest with you."

After Griffin left the game against the Ravens, backup Kirk Cousins led the Redskins to victory, then started the following week's game — a victory against the Cleveland Browns — when Griffin was inactive. link (http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1811689?articlePage=1)

Sure, only Griffin could tell how much pain he was in, but only a doctor can best determine when an injury is most likely healed. The decision shouldn't be in the hands of the injured player or their coach. The decision should be in the hands of a doctor—but preferably not one cashing checks from the club.

HOU-TEX
07-18-2013, 10:44 AM
Well from those two accounts Andrews looks like a liar. During the game they showed Andrews and RGIII going into a small room built onto the sideline and coming out a little while later. Andrews definitely got a chance to look at him.

Ok. He's still considered one of the most renowned orthopedic surgeons in the Nation. I'm not going to pretend I know what happened with the Redskins, but if he says Cushing's clear after the standard nine months I'm going to trust him.

CloakNNNdagger
07-18-2013, 11:36 AM
Ok. He's still considered one of the most renowned orthopedic surgeons in the Nation. I'm not going to pretend I know what happened with the Redskins, but if he says Cushing's clear after the standard nine months I'm going to trust him.

As opposed to the ill-conceived RGIII scenario(s).......and for the fact that also he is not the Texans team physician, I to feel comfortable with his clearance to return to play. Time will tell WHAT return Cushing can show us.

drs23
07-18-2013, 12:12 PM
Sure, only Griffin could tell how much pain he was in, but only a doctor can best determine when an injury is most likely healed. The decision shouldn't be in the hands of the injured player or their coach. The decision should be in the hands of a doctoróbut preferably not one cashing checks from the club.

Kinda like the Texans med staff, eh? Seems hauntingly familiar dun't it? :kitten:

BullBlitz
07-19-2013, 08:43 PM
Everybody who thinks Cushing's full recovery and back to his former self/form
right off of the bat in the 2013 season is a slam-dunk is in deep denial IMO. I expect him to recover and continue his career in the NFL, but I think how soon he recovers is very uncertain and his return to 100% of his old self is also uncertain.
I'm not trying to be a pessimist here, I'm just suggesting that what kind of player Cushing is when he completes his recovery may fall short of what he was prior to his injury. We just have to wait and see.

We missed him last year in some big games against the Packers and the Patriots among others. Looking forward to the preseason to see how he is, but they will probably limit his playing time.