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AngryNateFTW
07-02-2013, 10:29 AM
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/10/pffs-dwight-stepheson-award-the-best-player-in-football/

Thought this was a really good read.

In case you weren’t watching this season, Watt set about redefining what is possible at the 3-4 end position. People talk about how Lawrence Taylor burst into the league and changed the way people thought about 3-4 outside linebackers. You are witnessing the same thing happening now with Watt.

Not gonna ruin it for you so if you wanna take a look, it's WELL worth the read.

DX-TEX
07-02-2013, 11:29 AM
To make it more awesome. Don't forget the Texans lead the league in time of possession:

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/average-time-of-possession-net-of-ot

He was on the field less than all other defenses.

eriadoc
07-02-2013, 11:36 AM
It's funny. I tuned into the Top 100 reaction show for a short while, and the players justifying the players ahead of JJ Watt on the list didn't say those guys were the best players in football. They basically said because it's an offense driven league, you have to put an offensive player at the top. They did speak more effusively about AP than any of the QBs, FWIW. To my eyes, I think Watt was the best player in football last year, and deserving of MVP. It's easy to point to the stats of guys like AP and Calvin Johnson and the QBs, but those guys have systems in place that make sure they get those opportunities. CJ and AP get fed the ball. The QBs touch the ball on every snap, so they are obviously very important. But so much of their statistical success relies on those around them.

For Watt, he was the engine to that defense last year, and he almost never had to beat less than two guys. There's not a ton of scheming that can be done to get an interior lineman the types and numbers of opportunities that offensive players have. To the contrary, he's more often the one creating opportunities for the guys around him.

To me, it boils down to prolific vs. great. Football writers and fans seemed to be enamored with prolific numbers, equating them with greatness. That isn't always the case.

disaacks3
07-02-2013, 12:04 PM
There's not a ton of scheming that can be done to get an interior lineman the types and numbers of opportunities that offensive players have. To the contrary, he's more often the one creating opportunities for the guys around him. Yep, that's what many "average" fans didn't understand. They all saw sack numbers that had been achieved previously, so it was nothing special. For those of us who understood what interior lineman are supposed to do, it was nothing short of awe-inspiring.

TheMatrix31
07-02-2013, 01:51 PM
I've never seen a defensive player be as dominant as JJ Watt was last year. He impacted so many games DIRECTLY that I lost track after a while.

Simply masterful.

DexmanC
07-04-2013, 12:32 PM
I've never seen a defensive player be as dominant as JJ Watt was last year. He impacted so many games DIRECTLY that I lost track after a while.

Simply masterful.

http://www.juanelway.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/JJ-Watt-Stare-Down-And-Finger-Wag-GIF.gif

Mr teX
07-04-2013, 12:55 PM
It's funny. I tuned into the Top 100 reaction show for a short while, and the players justifying the players ahead of JJ Watt on the list didn't say those guys were the best players in football. They basically said because it's an offense driven league, you have to put an offensive player at the top. They did speak more effusively about AP than any of the QBs, FWIW. To my eyes, I think Watt was the best player in football last year, and deserving of MVP. It's easy to point to the stats of guys like AP and Calvin Johnson and the QBs, but those guys have systems in place that make sure they get those opportunities. CJ and AP get fed the ball. The QBs touch the ball on every snap, so they are obviously very important. But so much of their statistical success relies on those around them.

For Watt, he was the engine to that defense last year, and he almost never had to beat less than two guys. There's not a ton of scheming that can be done to get an interior lineman the types and numbers of opportunities that offensive players have. To the contrary, he's more often the one creating opportunities for the guys around him.

To me, it boils down to prolific vs. great. Football writers and fans seemed to be enamored with prolific numbers, equating them with greatness. That isn't always the case.


Agree with absolutely everything you said........but like Watt, AP was an absolute 1 man wrecking crew last year for the vikes & if he doesn't do every bit of what he did last year, they don't make the playoffs....its just that simple. Combine that with the fact that this dude was coming of ACL surgery...It was just in-human what he did last year.

While Watt was as dominant as any 1 player, i think we still make the playoffs if he doesn't have the type of year he had..


& for that reason i had no problems with AP winning MVP last year of JJ.

eriadoc
07-04-2013, 01:37 PM
& for that reason i had no problems with AP winning MVP last year of JJ.

I don't have a problem with AP winning MVP. He was definitely deserving. I have a problem that Watt was never seriously considered. MVP has become an offensive player award, which is ridiculous since they already award Offensive Player of the Year.

I would have voted Watt, but have no real argument with AP winning. I do have an argument with the two or three other players that received more MVP votes than Watt.

Mr teX
07-04-2013, 01:40 PM
I don't have a problem with AP winning MVP. He was definitely deserving. I have a problem that Watt was never seriously considered. MVP has become an offensive player award, which is ridiculous since they already award Offensive Player of the Year.

I would have voted Watt, but have no real argument with AP winning. I do have an argument with the two or three other players that received more MVP votes than Watt.

yeah, the MVP thing kinda sucks...outside of AP, there wasn't another player in the NFL who dominated in every phase of their respective sides of the ball except Watt.

Nawzer
07-04-2013, 02:36 PM
Although Adrian Peterson was deserving of the MVP (I rated him higher than Manning), I honestly though JJ Watt should have won. The things he did last season was mind blowing. At least he won the DPOY and hopefully this season he'll win the MVP.

thunderkyss
07-04-2013, 02:52 PM
I've never seen a defensive player be as dominant as JJ Watt was last year. He impacted so many games DIRECTLY that I lost track after a while.

Simply masterful.

It's been awhile since a defensive player, especially a defensive lineman to take over & control a game like that.

But Reggie White & Charles Haley used to do it. They didn't have those numbers (different NFL) But when their team needed a play, they made it happen. Forcing a bad throw, sniffing out a screen, stuffing a 4th & inches.


Ahh... the good ol' days.

IDEXAN
07-05-2013, 08:02 AM
JJ's 2012 was one of the best years ever any defensive NFL player has had. But that's one year, we'll see what happens this year ? I'm going on record right now to predict that JJ won't be the Texans' individual sack leader in 2013, that will be Mercilus.

CretorFrigg
07-05-2013, 08:21 AM
It's simple. Watching JJ is a thing of beauty. The article is correct, he is revolutionizing his position so enjoy him playing for the Texans while you can.

thunderkyss
07-05-2013, 09:05 AM
JJ's 2012 was one of the best years ever any defensive NFL player has had. But that's one year, we'll see what happens this year ? I'm going on record right now to predict that JJ won't be the Texans' individual sack leader in 2013, that will be Mercilus.

I was with you 'till you fingered Mercilus.

nero THE zero
07-05-2013, 09:44 AM
Holy moly...
What about his play against the run? His tackles in the run game this season totaled 11 yards of gain for the offense. When Watt made a tackle in the run game the back averaged 0.16 yards

Watt became the first player to ever top 100 grading points in a single season at any position, ending the year with a farcical looking +101.7 grade on 958 snaps. This time last season we anointed Justin Smith the second-best player in football, and one of the most dominant defenders in the league, with a grade of +46.5 on the season. Watt more than doubled that, and this time last year we would have told you that there wasn’t much room for a player to be better than Smith. J.J. Watt is completely re-writing what we thought was possible from his position.

Number19
07-06-2013, 12:42 PM
JJ's 2012 was one of the best years ever any defensive NFL player has had. But that's one year, we'll see what happens this year ? I'm going on record right now to predict that JJ won't be the Texans' individual sack leader in 2013, that will be Mercilus.I believe you may be the first daring to make this call; but it may not be far off the mark. Wade will be designing his defense for Mercilus to attack the QB and with teams taking Watt into account on every offensive play, Mercilus will run wild until teams are forced to account for him as well. And this will open the middle for an ILB to crash the middle. This season, barring injury, is going to be awesome.

But, Watt will still be the man.

thunderkyss
07-06-2013, 01:11 PM
I believe you may be the first daring to make this call; but it may not be far off the mark. Wade will be designing his defense for Mercilus to attack the QB and with teams taking Watt into account on every offensive play, Mercilus will run wild until teams are forced to account for him as well. And this will open the middle for an ILB to crash the middle. This season, barring injury, is going to be awesome.

But, Watt will still be the man.

Replace Merci with Connor Barwin... didn't happen last year & when Merci came in for Connor, nothing changed. I really should sit down & study it, but with both Jj Watt & Antonio Smith demanding double teams it's mind boggling that Connor/Merci didn't have a better season than what we saw.

Not only was Merci not able to replace Barwin by playing better, he couldn't really cut into his playing time.

Cushing will make a difference, he always has. Hopefully Jj Watt, Antonio Smith, Brian Cushing, & Wade Phillips will make Merci, Montgomery, Braman, and or Travardo dangerous men.

The Pencil Neck
07-06-2013, 01:55 PM
Replace Merci with Connor Barwin... didn't happen last year & when Merci came in for Connor, nothing changed. I really should sit down & study it, but with both Jj Watt & Antonio Smith demanding double teams it's mind boggling that Connor/Merci didn't have a better season than what we saw.

Not only was Merci not able to replace Barwin by playing better, he couldn't really cut into his playing time.

Cushing will make a difference, he always has. Hopefully Jj Watt, Antonio Smith, Brian Cushing, & Wade Smith will make Merci, Montgomery, Braman, and or Travardo dangerous men.

WADE Smith? What's he doing in this discussion? :)

thunderkyss
07-06-2013, 02:06 PM
WADE Smith? What's he doing in this discussion? :)

I meant Phillips..... thank you for correcting me.

Number19
07-06-2013, 02:27 PM
Replace Merci with Connor Barwin... didn't happen last year & when Merci came in for Connor, nothing changed. I really should sit down & study it, but with both Jj Watt & Antonio Smith demanding double teams it's mind boggling that Connor/Merci didn't have a better season than what we saw.

Not only was Merci not able to replace Barwin by playing better, he couldn't really cut into his playing time.

Cushing will make a difference, he always has. Hopefully Jj Watt, Antonio Smith, Brian Cushing, & Wade Phillips will make Merci, Montgomery, Braman, and or Travardo dangerous men.Can't say why the sub-par season for Barwin. But Merci played in only 12 games and started only 4 as a rookie. What I'm thinking is that with a full off season, and with his second full training camp, Merci is poised for a breakout season; and that Philips is going to design his defensive play book not just around JJ, but also around Merci. Now, he could fall as flat as Connar did last year, but I'm expecting Merci to not disappoint. Double digit sacks for a certainty and barring injury, I'm going to say at least 15.

thunderkyss
07-06-2013, 05:59 PM
Can't say why the sub-par season for Barwin. But Merci played in only 12 games and started only 4 as a rookie. What I'm thinking is that with a full off season, and with his second full training camp, Merci is poised for a breakout season; and that Philips is going to design his defensive play book not just around JJ, but also around Merci. Now, he could fall as flat as Connar did last year, but I'm expecting Merci to not disappoint. Double digit sacks for a certainty and barring injury, I'm going to say at least 15.

Yeah, that's the koolaide talking.

& that's cool. They can't be any less affective in our pass rush & we managed to do pretty good last year, so as a team, we'll probably do pretty good. However, if one of our OLBs turns into a special player, then McNair needs to go ahead & purchase his trophy polishing supplies.

It may be Mercilus, might be Braman. I really don't care, but so far, Braman has looked more "special" than Mercilus & Sam Montgomery looks like a beast.

False Start
07-09-2013, 12:13 PM
MSR

Great read. :jam: :cool:

DocBar
07-09-2013, 09:54 PM
It's been awhile since a defensive player, especially a defensive lineman to take over & control a game like that.

But Reggie White & Charles Haley used to do it. They didn't have those numbers (different NFL) But when their team needed a play, they made it happen. Forcing a bad throw, sniffing out a screen, stuffing a 4th & inches.


Ahh... the good ol' days.You're just a couple of years younger than me and don't remember the Steel Curtain? 2 or 3 players on those teams were just as effective.

On an individual performance basis, my top 5 are LT, Reggie White, Dick Butkus, Deion Sanders and Ray Neitchske. No particular order after the 1st two. Watt had an incredible 1st two seasons, but needs to do it for 10+++ to be considered among the greats. 1 great season and one very OK season is a flash in the pan. Longevity is what defines the greats.

thunderkyss
07-09-2013, 10:13 PM
You're just a couple of years younger than me and don't remember the Steel Curtain? 2 or 3 players on those teams were just as effective. .

I remember. Just saying it's been a while.