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BuffSoldier
06-30-2005, 12:55 AM
We are one of 5 teams featured on NFL.com front page that are slated to have breakout years if we can exploit the 3 wide set. I think that they are right, because as much as you guys doubt Mathis as a rookie contributer, I think he has a chance to be the steal of the draft this year if we can just give Carr some tim to throw, because teams wont play single coverage on AJ, and will probably have a 3rd string DB or starting OLB on Mathis. I just think his speed will be too much to contain. Gaffney and Bradford will contribute too. But enough of my opinions here is the article.nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8607119)

rittenhouserobz
06-30-2005, 06:31 AM
We are now less than a month away from training camp. The first day of camp is also my birthday. :) I can't wait to start getting the updates.

crazy4u310
06-30-2005, 10:18 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8607119


"Houston is an interesting team that feels it is time for the postseason. Its three-wide package would scare me a lot more than anything else it would put on the field. Andre Johnson, Corey Bradford or Jabar Gaffney along with rookie speedster Jerome Mathis creates matchups FB Moran Morris or TE Billy Miller can't deliver. "

Go read the whole article.

canadiantexan
06-30-2005, 10:22 AM
Pat Kirwan article about 5 teams possibly ready to make the jump to the playoffs and what offense those teams can run to give the defense trouble. It's not bad he makes a pretty good point about who you would want to see on the feild, although obviously on short yardage you would need the FB or extra TE. Tell me what you think.

P.S. I just got 2 new Texans hats and a new shirt today for my birthday from my mother that stuffs pretty hard to get around here. :highfive:

EDIT: We must have been typing at the same time.

Reddevil63
06-30-2005, 10:31 AM
Happ Birthday :dance:

canadiantexan
06-30-2005, 10:39 AM
Happ Birthday :dance:

Thank you...It's along weekend up here because Canada day is Friday so every year Me and my buddies go up to the cottage and tie one on. :highfive: and do a little :fishing: man I love these :)

El Tejano
06-30-2005, 10:44 AM
I wonder what our production was working out of the 3WR set. I know during the month of October we saw it quite a bit and our win total was real nice around that time. Our receivers were pretty strong against Tenn and Oakland for those weeks. But what I really want to know is what was Davis' production in the 3WR set as apposed to having the FB in there.

U4ikrob
06-30-2005, 10:45 AM
Pat Kirwan article about 5 teams possibly ready to make the jump to the playoffs and what offense those teams can run to give the defense trouble. It's not bad he makes a pretty good point about who you would want to see on the feild, although obviously on short yardage you would need the FB or extra TE. Tell me what you think.

P.S. I just got 2 new Texans hats and a new shirt today for my birthday from my mother that stuffs pretty hard to get around here. :highfive:

EDIT: We must have been typing at the same time.

Decent article and one I certainly agree with as my prefered O-set - the 3 receiver set is really nice and breaks open the zone and cover 2 pretty nice.

HAppy B-day CanadianTexan - I hear yah on getting Texan stuff up north CA-Texan. I havea friend named Jennifer in Quebec I have been sending Texan stuff too the last 3 years since she came down to visit there first year. I got her hooked early! So have no fear there are more Texan fans in Canada to cheer with! YAY! :highfive:

Incidentally - I will be coming up to visit her and some other friends in Quebec for 2 weeks this September [labor day weekend]for vacation. Might be cool to get some Texan fans together in Canada for a brew, some pix and game day festivities. Not sure what province your in, but we might be able to arrange something as I will be there a bit. Heck I'll even bring some Stubbs real BBQ sauce and mexican fajita seasonings and we can have a cookout/tailgate in Canada if you want. Woohoo - would be cool to party with Yous Guys - eh! :woot2

peace,

Rob/u4ikrob :cool:

El Tejano
06-30-2005, 10:52 AM
One thing I noticed and he compares the 3WR with Buffalo is that we have to have a very good offensive line and a TE that can both catch and block. If your line sucks at this they can bring that blitz all day and force you out of that set. Kelly had a great line with really good TEs.

canadiantexan
06-30-2005, 11:21 AM
Decent article and one I certainly agree with as my prefered O-set - the 3 receiver set is really nice and breaks open the zone and cover 2 pretty nice.

HAppy B-day CanadianTexan - I hear yah on getting Texan stuff up north CA-Texan. I havea friend named Jennifer in Quebec I have been sending Texan stuff too the last 3 years since she came down to visit there first year. I got her hooked early! So have no fear there are more Texan fans in Canada to cheer with! YAY! :highfive:

Incidentally - I will be coming up to visit her and some other friends in Quebec for 2 weeks this September [labor day weekend]for vacation. Might be cool to get some Texan fans together in Canada for a brew, some pix and game day festivities. Not sure what province your in, but we might be able to arrange something as I will be there a bit. Heck I'll even bring some Stubbs real BBQ sauce and mexican fajita seasonings and we can have a cookout/tailgate in Canada if you want. Woohoo - would be cool to party with Yous Guys - eh! :woot2

peace,

Rob/u4ikrob :cool:


Quebec is certainly within driving range and I think during that time span I'll be in Nova Scotia so I'll be even cloer to those brew :highfive: we will have to see if we can put something together. By the way your not a homicidle maniac are you?

Vinny
06-30-2005, 11:57 AM
One thing I noticed and he compares the 3WR with Buffalo is that we have to have a very good offensive line and a TE that can both catch and block. If your line sucks at this they can bring that blitz all day and force you out of that set. Kelly had a great line with really good TEs.We rarely use a FB so the 3wr is what we use most anyway.

Grid
06-30-2005, 12:45 PM
On short yardage.. i could see us going with Wells and Davis lined up at FB and RB.. that seems like a very good setup for short yardage gains. Put in Andre Johnson and Derrick Armstrong.. and I think you have a recipe for touchdowns in the redzone.

infantrycak
06-30-2005, 01:32 PM
On short yardage.. i could see us going with Wells and Davis lined up at FB and RB.. that seems like a very good setup for short yardage gains. Put in Andre Johnson and Derrick Armstrong.. and I think you have a recipe for touchdowns in the redzone.

Why would you put Wells in on short yardage? DD runs harder than Wells and Norris blocks far, far harder than Wells. I would think 2nd or 3rd and 4-8 yds would be a better territory for that set where Wells could play the h-back versatility role.

texasguy346
06-30-2005, 02:03 PM
Why would you put Wells in on short yardage? DD runs harder than Wells and Norris blocks far, far harder than Wells. I would think 2nd or 3rd and 4-8 yds would be a better territory for that set where Wells could play the h-back versatility role.

I'm with you on this. If the line remains like it was last season then I'd prefer Norris and DD being in the backfield running to the left side with Bruener next to Wand and Pitts.

Grid
06-30-2005, 02:49 PM
I figure Wells and Davis cause they are both receiving threats, and it gives us options.

What is better, getting a block for an extra two yards, or tricking the defense and picking up 6-7 extra yards?

I can see what your saying.. 3rd and 1 we may be better putting Norris in there.. but id like to see how effective Wells and DD can be in short yardage situations.

Grid
06-30-2005, 02:50 PM
oh.. and our Oline was superb at run blocking at the end of last season.. if that continues this season, Norris may not be quite so necessary.

El Tejano
06-30-2005, 03:33 PM
As I said before, this 3 wide stuff won't work unless our oline is blocking well.

Big B Texan Fan
06-30-2005, 06:39 PM
If they get that timing route stuff down, then look out!!

z0rpAn
07-01-2005, 03:54 PM
itd be nice if gaffney and bradford started working out to andre's standards. Can just imagine 3 Andres ::drule:: Anyways on reality, itd be nice to have a 3 wr set that pat mentioned: AJ, Brad, Math, but with both Wells and Davis in a split formation in the backfield, now that would be scary.

BornOrange
07-02-2005, 10:33 AM
I figure Wells and Davis cause they are both receiving threats, and it gives us options.

What is better, getting a block for an extra two yards, or tricking the defense and picking up 6-7 extra yards?

I can see what your saying.. 3rd and 1 we may be better putting Norris in there.. but id like to see how effective Wells and DD can be in short yardage situations.

but with both Wells and Davis in a split formation in the backfield, now that would be scary.

There is nothing scary about Jonathan Wells lining up in the backfield, and no one will be surprised if the Texans line him up at fullback and decide to throw instead of run.

royce1054
07-04-2005, 12:42 AM
i would use Wells and Davis in the back field on like a 3 & 5 or 2 & 8.
Anything less than 5 yards would be more of a norris situation with double tights to me.

Big B Texan Fan
07-04-2005, 02:13 AM
i would use Wells and Davis in the back field on like a 3 & 5 or 2 & 8.
Anything less than 5 yards would be more of a norris situation with double tights to me.
Ya see though, we can't be that predictable again this year. I'd like to see go 4 wide when it's 2nd & 2 or something like that. Not every time, just enough to keep the D honest.

Vambo, the Marble Eye
07-04-2005, 01:32 PM
There is nothing scary about Jonathan Wells lining up in the backfield, and no one will be surprised if the Texans line him up at fullback and decide to throw instead of run.

.... IF they line up in a split backfield and not an I formation then if defenses are focused on blitzing Carr he can have options of dumping off to either DD or Wells releasing into the flats... creating some open field tackling dilemas.

...AND If while in the split formation the defensive line starts stunting to outside ...then inside draws with DD or Wells are nice possibilities. (I like Well's size and he does have some abilities which compliment DD if they are both on the field at the same time)

Putting 3 wide outs, dropping the tight end and having wells AND in the backfield in a split formations is risky and exciting... we shall see. :)

Vinny
07-04-2005, 01:39 PM
We run a ball control, power rushing offense so I don't think we see to much wco around here. You guys are describing schemes from other offensive philosophies. You may find some occassional wide open sets when we are behind but we won't stray much from a power rushing scheme.

Waltman
07-04-2005, 01:42 PM
I would like to see J Well and D Davis in the back field together. It sure does not make our back field any weaker. It gives us a more versitile running and passing game.

Waltman
07-04-2005, 01:51 PM
Ya see though, we can't be that predictable again this year. I'd like to see go 4 wide when it's 2nd & 2 or something like that. Not every time, just enough to keep the D honest.

Hey I like the way you think. Our offense is way too predictable sometimes. Go Hard Or Don't Go At All.

Vambo, the Marble Eye
07-04-2005, 01:57 PM
We run a ball control, power rushing offense so I don't think we see to much wco around here. You guys are describing schemes from other offensive philosophies. You may find some occassional wide open sets when we are behind but we won't stray much from a power rushing scheme.

I agree... I am talking about a "situation" like responding to being behind by 14 points or so in the second half. Like you, I do not foresee a change in the off tackle game that Palmer and Capers endorse. I believe our o-line knows how to run block and DD has the numbers to prove it.

I guess what started this in my head was the piece on Wells being Mr Versatile and can catch.... it just makes sense if they are going to do try to do something with a wrinkle, the split formation lends itself to having Wells and DD together for a series or two.

Waltman
07-04-2005, 02:04 PM
I would like us to go to our tightends more often. It will help us open up the passes on the outside. We don't have the offensive line to just pound the ball down teams throats. So we need to keep defenses honest in stead of having their ears pinned back.

Vambo, the Marble Eye
07-05-2005, 10:28 AM
I would like us to go to our tightends more often. It will help us open up the passes on the outside. We don't have the offensive line to just pound the ball down teams throats. So we need to keep defenses honest in stead of having their ears pinned back.


Yeah, but they don't have a tight end that can block and catch.... :confused:

Texas_Thrill
07-10-2005, 01:15 AM
I like the 3 WR for situations not as my main O. My main problem with it is....I'm a RUNNING kinda guy. I like to pound it till ya mama says stop.

With a 1 back set you have to have a rb who can either make their own holes or elusive enough to create holes out of nothing. DD is nice but i'm not sure either one of those describes him. Most of you will say the latter is him but I just dont see him as a east-west kinda guy. I think elusive I just dont thinkt here are many in the NFL period with those kinda skills.

stephen1
07-10-2005, 01:41 AM
Yeah, but they don't have a tight end that can block and catch.... :confused:

oh we have one allright, he just has no knees

ATX
07-10-2005, 05:18 AM
With a 1 back set you have to have a rb who can either make their own holes or elusive enough to create holes out of nothing. DD is nice but i'm not sure either one of those describes him. Most of you will say the latter is him but I just dont see him as a east-west kinda guy. I think elusive I just dont thinkt here are many in the NFL period with those kinda skills.

When you look at it on paper, having a FB seems to make sense pounding the ball, but we seemed to do just fine lining up in a 3 WR set and DD alone in the backfield. DD can find the hole without a FB, Norris helps on certain situations, but having him in there at FB doesn't spread the defense like a 3 WR set. it really is a situational thing and trying to find the right mismatch.