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Texan_Bill
06-18-2013, 07:01 PM
I didn't see this posted:
According to Pete Thamel and Greg Bedard of Sports Illustrated, New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez was questioned by Massachusetts State police investigating a possible homicide in North Attleboro, Massachusetts.

More:

Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez questioned by police in homicide probe (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/patriots-te-aaron-hernandez-questioned-police-homicide-probe-223002099.html)

Playoffs
06-18-2013, 07:13 PM
Hmmm...ABC News reports that Hernandez has been "uncooperative" with police, who refer to the deceased as an "associate" of Hernandez. Bedard reported via his Twitter feed that police blocked off the driveway to Hernandez's home, and that two males (neither of whom was Hernandez) were taken away by police after they attempted to leave the house and questioned why the driveway was blocked.

Texan_Bill
06-18-2013, 07:14 PM
Hmmm...

The "uncooperative" part stood out to me too.

Playoffs
06-18-2013, 11:11 PM
A platoon of state police detectives are inside and outside the North Attleboro home of Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez tonight following multiple reports the star football player is being questioned about a possible murder at a nearby industrial park.
...
The Bristol District Attorney’s Office tells the Herald a witness reported finding a body in an industrial park at about 5:30 p.m. yesterday. The industrial park is located about a half mile away from the sprawling Hernandez home.

Flash photography lit up the home tonight while state police officers searched the road outside the player's home along the road leading up to the industrial park.

SI.com — the website for Sports Illustrated — reports today state police have spoken to Hernandez about the murder of a Boston man. The star tight end is not considered a suspect, multiple reports state.

The Sun Chronicle of Attleboro is also reporting a rented 2013 Chevrolet Suburban could be connected to the killing. Reports state that car may have been rented under Hernandez's name.

State police are now at the player's front door, on his driveway and inside the home.
...
Hernandez signed a five-year $40 million contract extension with the team last year...
- See more at: http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/06/reports_patriots_aaron_hernandez_questioned_in_man _s_death#sthash.uo8UDb0d.dpuf

Coolhandsluke2
06-19-2013, 07:18 AM
Was watching the local news just now and they said a car rented in Hernandezs name was found abandoned near the body but he is still not a suspect.



I have a feeling if it was any of us we would already be the number 1 suspect but I will wait until more details come out until I get to pissed about celebs getting special treatment.

b0ng
06-19-2013, 07:36 AM
The path for Tebow to be the #1 TE in week 1 has now be shown. For it is he, who is good to his children.

ChampionTexan
06-19-2013, 12:23 PM
A platoon of state police detectives are inside and outside the North Attleboro home of Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez tonight following multiple reports the star football player is being questioned about a possible murder at a nearby industrial park.
...
The Bristol District Attorney’s Office tells the Herald a witness reported finding a body in an industrial park at about 5:30 p.m. yesterday. The industrial park is located about a half mile away from the sprawling Hernandez home.

Flash photography lit up the home tonight while state police officers searched the road outside the player's home along the road leading up to the industrial park.

SI.com — the website for Sports Illustrated — reports today state police have spoken to Hernandez about the murder of a Boston man. The star tight end is not considered a suspect, multiple reports state.

The Sun Chronicle of Attleboro is also reporting a rented 2013 Chevrolet Suburban could be connected to the killing. Reports state that car may have been rented under Hernandez's name.

State police are now at the player's front door, on his driveway and inside the home.
...
Hernandez signed a five-year $40 million contract extension with the team last year...

- See more at: http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/06/reports_patriots_aaron_hernandez_questioned_in_man _s_death#sthash.uo8UDb0d.dpuf

Either conflicting or overriding information regarding the bolded portion:
WBZ-TV in Boston reported Wednesday that, according to a law enforcement source, Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez "has not been ruled out as a suspect" in a homicide case near his home. Hernandez is connected to the case through a vehicle rented in his name that is reportedly a key piece of evidence, according to SI.com. An ABC News report said Hernandez was initially uncooperative with police.
LINK (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22477474/report-aaron-hernandez-uncooperative-and-not-ruled-out-as-a-suspect)

Playoffs
06-19-2013, 12:34 PM
I think he's getting himself "ruled back in" as a suspect, as an accomplice to whoever the guys are who were staying in his house & using his rental car that has gone missing. Or maybe to the girlfriend's sister.

...a jogger found the body of a man in an industrial park near Hernandez’s home.

The man was identified by his family Wednesday as 27-year-old Odin Lloyd of Dorchester.

A neighbor of Odin’s told WBZ they had seen Hernandez in the neighborhood and that Odin dated the sister of Hernandez’s girlfriend.
...
The man who made the grisly discovery did not want to be identified, but described what he found.

“I saw an African-American male, probably 25-35 years old, decently dressed,” the man told WBZ-TV. “He was stiff motionless, one of the police officers came back later and said it looked the guy had been shot somewhere else and dumped here.”

Playoffs
06-19-2013, 12:50 PM
Geez, this isn't getting any better...

Police probe if death linked to Aaron Hernandez is drug-related
Dead body linked to New England Patriot Aaron Hernandez (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/06/19/dorchester-man-says-his-nephew-could-possibly-victim-north-attleborough-death-linked-new-england-patriot-aaron-hernandez/1oJSPswnNbZDdSswoujgAP/story.html)

ChampionTexan
06-19-2013, 01:35 PM
Geez, this isn't getting any better...



No - it's not. While this is a separate incident, if anything, it makes things appear worse.
Now Hernandez will reportedly be facing a lawsuit stemming from a February incident where he allegedly shot a man in the face, according to TMZ. Sports Illustrated has also confirmed the existence of the lawsuit.

According to TMZ, the man filing the lawsuit, Alexander Bradley, claims he went to a club in Miami with Hernandez on Feb. 13 and at some point, an argument broke out between the two men.
LINK (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22478039/report-aaron-hernandez-to-be-sued-for-shooting-man-in-the-face)

Playoffs
06-19-2013, 01:54 PM
Hernandez is beginning to look like a stone criminal...

Hernandez and Bradley left the club in the same car, where the argument continued. At some point during the car ride, Hernandez allegedly aimed a gun at Bradley and the gun discharged, hitting Bradley in the face, according to the report.

Bradley claims to have suffered several injuries, including the loss of his right eye. The lawsuit also claims Bradley has had to undergo major reconstructive surgery to his face. Bradley is seeking more than $100,000 in damages.

There's possibly more bad news for Hernandez too: Bradley says Hernandez is not licensed to carry a firearm.

The lawsuit was filed in Florida in on June 13, but then dropped four days later due to a paperwork issue. Bradley's legal team is expected to refile the suit on Wednesday, according to TMZ.

HJam72
06-19-2013, 01:57 PM
Now, Aaron, if you're going to shoot somebody in the face, ya know ya gotta have a license for the gun.

Geez...

The Pencil Neck
06-19-2013, 02:17 PM
Uh.

Wow.

I thought Gronk was the crazy one.

Rey
06-19-2013, 02:17 PM
Not looking good for him at all.

I don't know if he was actually the one to pull the trigger, but I do think he had something to do with it.

Rey
06-19-2013, 02:19 PM
Lloyd was a linebacker for the Boston Bandits, a semi-pro football team. He last practiced with them on Saturday. The Bandits are made up of former high school and college football players. Lloyd went to the O’Bryant School of Math and Science.

A neighbor of Odin’s told WBZ they had seen Hernandez in the neighborhood and that Odin dated the sister of Hernandez’s girlfriend.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/19/police-quiet-on-investigation-involving-aaron-hernandez/

HJam72
06-19-2013, 02:20 PM
Not looking good for him at all.

I don't know if he was actually the one to pull the trigger, but I do think he had something to do with it.

That's what I was thinking, at least before that recent post.

ChampionTexan
06-19-2013, 02:43 PM
Uh.

Wow.

I thought Gronk was the crazy one.

Gronk is the fun-crazy one. It looks like Hernandez may be the crazy-crazy one.

Doppelganger
06-19-2013, 03:21 PM
Hernandez is beginning to look like a stone criminal...

Looking as bad as Rolando McClain...

Texan_Bill
06-19-2013, 07:37 PM
Gronk is the fun-crazy one. It looks like Hernandez may be the crazy-crazy one.

JUP!! Gronk is just a meathead, no harm no foul.

Hernandez is coming across as: Pac-Man Jones meets Ray Lewis meets Sam Hurd...

Fili
06-19-2013, 10:24 PM
Mark my words, it's the end of the Patriots' beloved dynasty in Brady and Belichick.

Texn4life
06-19-2013, 10:29 PM
Wow, new reports are coming out now that Hernandez was with the man killed on the night of the incident with four men leaving the bar that night, but one three making it to the house of Hernandez. This is gonna get ugly.

Rey
06-19-2013, 10:44 PM
I new Hernandez had some G in him just from his TD celebration...but this is crazy...dude must have been feeling invincible..

Texn4life
06-19-2013, 10:59 PM
I new Hernandez had some G in him just from his TD celebration...but this is crazy...dude must have been feeling invincible..

Well considering that it looks like he may have gotten away with allegedly shooting someone a few months ago he probably was feeling invincible. I knew that he liked to smoke a little weed in college, but he's pulling some Rae Carruth type stuff possibly here.

Too soon so make final judgments but I have a feeling some pretty crazy details are gonna start to trickle out.

Tonaaayyyy
06-19-2013, 11:01 PM
I new Hernandez had some G in him just from his TD celebration...but this is crazy...dude must have been feeling invincible..


LOL I thought the same thing.

Touchdown 1: Rolling dices, then making it rain.

Touchdown 2: Stirring up something (possibly baking powder), exploding it in air, making it rain.

Playoffs
06-19-2013, 11:40 PM
This news video report is pretty damning...

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22638740/2013/06/19/investigation-involving-pats-te-hernandez-ruled-a-homicide

Victim was with Hernandez that night.

Drug related, specifically: marijuana.

CloakNNNdagger
06-20-2013, 06:59 AM
Tebow doesn't know it yet, but he was scouted specifically to fill the anticipated TE void. I expect Billichek to have a "heart to heart" with him sooner than later. "We'll still let you pretend you are a QB, capisce?":kitten:

Mr. White
06-20-2013, 07:54 AM
This news video report is pretty damning...

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22638740/2013/06/19/investigation-involving-pats-te-hernandez-ruled-a-homicide

Victim was with Hernandez that night.

Drug related, specifically: marijuana.

I've heard LZ say on his show that the pre-draft rap on Hernandez was that he was a "marijuana enthusiast."

CloakNNNdagger
06-20-2013, 08:04 AM
It was no secret during the 2010 Draft.:

Hernandez has history of drug use (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2010/04/27/patriots_draft_pick_hernandez_failed_marijuana_tes ts/)

Patriots' 4th-rounder failed marijuana tests

Honoring Earl 34
06-20-2013, 08:37 AM
Patriot TE , in the parking lot , with a revolver ? :specnatz:

powda
06-20-2013, 09:56 AM
http://fansided.com/2013/06/20/aaron-hernandez-arrested-murder/

to be arrested...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o48aZ_C52wc

Playoffs
06-20-2013, 10:14 AM
I've heard LZ say on his show that the pre-draft rap on Hernandez was that he was a "marijuana enthusiast."
Which could be a euphemism for dealer.


On June 13, a Hernandez acquaintance, Alexander S. Bradley, filed a civil complaint against Hernandez in U.S. District Court alleging that a gun -- in Hernandez's possession illegally -- discharged and shot Bradley in the face, causing the loss of his right eye. The suit alleges Hernandez and Bradley argued at Tootsie's strip club in Miami. The gun discharged while Hernandez, Bradley and other associates were returning from Miami to Palm Beach.
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Hernandez fell to the fourth round of the 2010 draft in part because of marijuana use while with the Gators, something he admitted to NFL teams at the scouting combine when he was a draft prospect, according to several NFL sources.

Personnel sources from multiple NFL teams tell SI that they had off-field concerns about Hernandez. In particular, the questions pertained to alleged gang activity of some of Hernandez's associates in his native Bristol, Conn. A law enforcement official familiar with Hernandez reiterated concerns about his circle of influence.

Combined, the marijuana use and gang concerns worried some NFL teams immensely.

"There were a lot of teams that had him off the board," said an NFL personnel executive.
Independently, both a former and current New England teammate said that they believed Hernandez was having some trouble with his past associates and was seeking distance from them. Bristol, Conn. is just a two hour drive to Hernandez's home.

"It was a thug life," is how one teammate described some of Hernandez's friends.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130619/aaron-hernandez-history/#ixzz2WlnQeGi5

http://fansided.com/2013/06/20/aaron-hernandez-arrested-murder/

to be arrested...He can use some of that $40 million the Pats gave him to buy his way out of this.

Rey
06-20-2013, 10:35 AM
LOL I thought the same thing.

Touchdown 1: Rolling dices, then making it rain.

Touchdown 2: Stirring up something (possibly baking powder), exploding it in air, making it rain.

Yeah...I didn't know anything about Hernandez, but the first time I saw those TD celebrations my spidey senses went off...

I knew he was at least a little bit on the edgy side, but I didn't realize how much until this all happened...

Playoffs
06-20-2013, 11:46 AM
LOL, they just posted a helicopter video of Hernandez driving his white SUV (http://www.terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/chase.jpg) to Patriots stadium.

Playoffs
06-20-2013, 12:26 PM
Dude seems to get jammed up around guns a lot...

Reports conflict on whether Aaron Hernandez is set to be arrested (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22490906/reports-conflict-on-whether-aaron-hernandez-is-set-to-be-arrested)

Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez's role in the death of a 27-year-old man is significant enough that he "likely" will be arrested for his connection in the case, Sports Illustrated is reporting.

Meanwhile, Boston Globe political reporter Wesley Lowery reports that police currently are NOT planning to arrest Hernandez.

NO ARREST IMMINENT in murder investigation involving Aaron Hernandez. All other reports (currently) "absolutely untrue," per state police

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) June 20, 2013
Not saying an arrest won't happen, or that one won't happen today. But reporting Hernandez "will be arrested" is speculative.

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) June 20, 2013

According to SI, it's not yet known what charges Hernandez will face, but his connection to the deceased has been linked by police. Reportedly, Hernandez and 27-year-old Odin Lloyd were together at a bar, along with two others, the night Lloyd died. Lloyd's body was found in a field close to Hernandez's home.

SI also reported that a Jets fan confronted Hernandez in Providence in May and that police found a gun under a car, though it's unclear whose gun it was. SI also writes that Gainesville, Fla., police interviewed Hernandez in 2007 regarding a shooting that occurred after a Florida-Auburn game, though Hernandez was not considered a suspect.

There was also a report from Tuesday in which a man named Alexander Bradley was set to sue Hernandez for allegedly shooting him in the face and causing him to lose an eye.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/19/article-2344202-1A680BE5000005DC-605_634x358.jpg

Section516
06-20-2013, 01:21 PM
Hernandez destroys phone, home security system and also hired maids to scrub entire house..

:vincepalm:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/aaron-hernandez-destroyed-home-security-system-phone-sources/story?id=19445131#.UcNHkZx6_PT

IDEXAN
06-20-2013, 01:33 PM
No matter what's going on here, does anybody really have any doubt that
Hernandez is starting the season opener and playing the whole year in NE ?
Any legal problems will be shoved into the 2013-14 offseason.

CloakNNNdagger
06-20-2013, 01:35 PM
We're going to find out that Lloyd made moves on Hernandez's girlfriend. Hernandez was so upset he threw his phone at the security system, breaking both, then uncontrollably peed and defecated all over the house...........of course, he needed the house scrubbed by a team of experts. It would be embarrassing to have to explain the smells.:kitten:

Playoffs
06-20-2013, 01:42 PM
Hernandez destroys phone, home security system and also hired maids to scrub entire house..

http://abcnews.go.com/US/aaron-hernandez-destroyed-home-security-system-phone-sources/story?id=19445131#.UcNHkZx6_PT

Police plan to go back to the home of New England Patriot's tight end Aaron Hernandez today with another warrant based on evidence that "he destroyed his home security system,'' an investigator close to the case told ABC News.

The investigator, and other law enforcement sources, confirmed that the security system - which included video surveillance - was smashed intentionally.

And a cell phone used by Hernandez was handed over to investigators "in pieces'' by his attorneys, the sources said.

Police also want to know why a team of house cleaners were hired on Monday to scrub Hernandez's mansion, sources told ABC News.

The revelations come as multiple sources tell ABC News that the star NFL player has not been ruled out as a suspect in the murder of a semi-pro football player Odin Lloyd, 27, who was Hernandez's friend....

Consciousness of guilt? ... or just decided to dip his mansion in bleach for cleanliness sake? :hmmm:

Rey
06-20-2013, 01:46 PM
Not looking good for AH. At all.

But I have to wonder why he'd be so dumb/brazen as to dump a body that close to his house?

TD
06-20-2013, 01:50 PM
He may be guilty, but he isn't stupid.

Señor Stan
06-20-2013, 01:58 PM
He may be guilty, but he isn't stupid.

Did you not read the part about dumping the body a mile from his house?

Texn4life
06-20-2013, 02:40 PM
He may be guilty, but he isn't stupid.

Ummm, I beg to differ on that one.

Rey
06-20-2013, 02:43 PM
He may be guilty, but he isn't stupid.

If he had anything to do with this murder and is not being unjustly targeted or set up, he's not too bright or incredibly bold.

Maybe both.

CloakNNNdagger
06-20-2013, 02:45 PM
New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez always seemed to be around trouble, even when he played for the Florida Gators.

Hernandez has not been ruled out as a suspect in the execution-style murder of a semi-pro football player, law enforcement sources told ABC News on Thursday.

When Hernandez was at UF, he was once questioned, along with three other Gator football players, about a shooting in Gainesville. None of the players were arrested, but detectives questioned Hernandez in the shootings of Corey Smith and Justin Glass about 2:30 a.m. after Florida lost to Auburn in 2007. According to a Sentinel report at the time, police said Smith, 28, and Glass, 19, were driving around in traffic about 2:30 a.m. when a man began shooting into their car. Smith was critically wounded in the head while Glass was shot in the arm.

Hernandez declined to discuss the case with reporters back then and was never charged with any crime.

However, when Hernandez first enrolled at UF, he was arrested as a 17-year-old juvenile after an altercation at local campus hangout known as The Swamp. Hernandez received deferred prosecution.link (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/blogs/open-mike/os-mb-aaron-hernandez-gators-patriots-20130620,0,192937.post)

Playoffs
06-20-2013, 02:56 PM
He may be guilty, but he isn't stupid.

Yeah, nothing says "I'm innocent" more than destroying evidence.

And nothing says "I'm planning for the future" more than signing a $40 million dollar contract then involving yourself in a homicide.

TD
06-20-2013, 03:15 PM
Did you not read the part about dumping the body a mile from his house?

Yeah, there may be reason or maybe he has a smart friend advising him now. Couldn't be his lawyer advising him to destroy evidence. :cool:

Sorry to everyone else, but destroying evidence is smart. Public opinion doesn't put you in prison...evidence does. And even if he gets in trouble for doing it, I am pretty sure getting convicted of destroying stuff is preferable to getting convicted for murder.

Playoffs
06-20-2013, 03:32 PM
Funny replies from PFT:

Farewell and adieu to you, fair Spanish tight ends.
Farewell and adieu, you tight ends of Spain.
For we’ve received orders for to sail back to Boston.
And so nevermore shall we see you again.
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVmeeYwEiQw )


Patriots are apparently talented at destroying video evidence.

http://www.bettingtalk.com/images/smilies/thumbup2.gif 940 http://www.bettingtalk.com/images/smilies/thumbdown2.gif53

Fili
06-20-2013, 04:06 PM
http://fansided.com/2013/06/20/aaron-hernandez-arrested-murder/

to be arrested...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o48aZ_C52wc

He's not even a suspect yet...

Texn4life
06-20-2013, 04:14 PM
Yeah, there may be reason or maybe he has a smart friend advising him now. Couldn't be his lawyer advising him to destroy evidence. :cool:

Sorry to everyone else, but destroying evidence is smart. Public opinion doesn't put you in prison...evidence does. And even if he gets in trouble for doing it, I am pretty sure getting convicted of destroying stuff is preferable to getting convicted for murder.

I think he's extremely dumb to constantly find himself in these positions. No different than a lot of players that come from the hood. If he was smart he would've found a way to avoid his boys.

But I get what you're saying on the evidence though. Don't think its gonna keep him out of jail though if he's guilty. Or maybe I've watched way too many episodes of Forensic Files.

disaacks3
06-20-2013, 04:28 PM
No matter what's going on here, does anybody really have any doubt that Hernandez is starting the season opener and playing the whole year in NE ? Any legal problems will be shoved into the 2013-14 offseason. Not a chance. Goodell won't let him play while this is out there. Morality clause will also gets Pats off-the-hook for much of that salary (unsure on the cap).

Yeah, there may be reason or maybe he has a smart friend advising him now. Couldn't be his lawyer advising him to destroy evidence. :cool:

Sorry to everyone else, but destroying evidence is smart. Public opinion doesn't put you in prison...evidence does. And even if he gets in trouble for doing it, I am pretty sure getting convicted of destroying stuff is preferable to getting convicted for murder. True, but only if all these acts were inadmissible in court. (Not only that, but you've shown authorities what / where to look) It'll sure play like a pattern to a jury though.

In general I'm with you though, as in the long run it might've been the wiser choice.

infantrycak
06-20-2013, 04:38 PM
True, but only if all these acts were inadmissible in court. (Not only that, but you've shown authorities what / where to look) It'll sure play like a pattern to a jury though.

In general I'm with you though, as in the long run it might've been the wiser choice.

I don't know about this place particularly but in many jurisdictions conduct like this is admissible in and of itself as evidence of the crime. One of the great mysteries of the world is why the OJ prosecutors did not introduce the slow speed getaway attempt.

dtran04
06-20-2013, 04:52 PM
Maybe the NSA can clear this phone business up.............:)

Lurvinator11
06-20-2013, 04:52 PM
How far can destroying a cell phone get you?

Can't the phone company offer up his call records, or look into cell phone towers?

drs23
06-20-2013, 05:04 PM
How far can destroying a cell phone get you?

Can't the phone company offer up his call records, or look into cell phone towers?

Sure they can. What they can't do is determine exactly what the content of the transmitted message was.

Edit: I think. I'm not really sure exactly how it works but that's what my feeble mind came up with. :^0

Playoffs
06-20-2013, 05:10 PM
How far can destroying a cell phone get you?

Can't the phone company offer up his call records, or look into cell phone towers?
Additionally, cell phones for all parties involved -- and the deceased -- will have been taken into evidence and who called whom when will be determined. Cell phone records are indispensable in these cases, I was told. As a result, investigators will send “preservation letters” to cell providers requesting the provider to lock all information down for a period of time so that if a phone is destroyed, the information is still retrievable on a server somewhere.http://www.csnne.com/article/whats-store-aaron-hernandez

Tonaaayyyy
06-20-2013, 05:37 PM
http://www.csnne.com/article/whats-store-aaron-hernandez

Wow.... He's doomed for sure.

CloakNNNdagger
06-20-2013, 06:11 PM
Sure they can. What they can't do is determine exactly what the content of the transmitted message was.

Edit: I think. I'm not really sure exactly how it works but that's what my feeble mind came up with. :^0


FYI re. text message preservation on servers. Without a "stay" request:

T-Mobile ~48 hrs
ATT ~72 hrs
Verizon ~5 days
Sprint ~2 weeks

thunderkyss
06-20-2013, 06:15 PM
http://insidetheredzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/aaron_herndandez_best_slot_tightend_091311.jpg

Belichick's a genius. I was wondering how he was going to get around the TimTebow Circus.

I think this will do it.


No doubt in my mind who planted that body.



Well played Bill. Well played.

2012Champs
06-20-2013, 06:42 PM
http://insidetheredzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/aaron_herndandez_best_slot_tightend_091311.jpg

Belichick's a genius. I was wondering how he was going to get around the TimTebow Circus.

I think this will do it.


No doubt in my mind who planted that body.



Well played Bill. Well played.



Now that is funny

Playoffs
06-20-2013, 07:42 PM
Wow.... He's doomed for sure.

If the glove don't fit...

TexansSeminole
06-20-2013, 08:01 PM
The funny thing is that Hernandez, at UF, was always highlighted as a kid that grew up "tough," but was able to stay away from the bad stuff. This guy sounds like a straight thug.

CloakNNNdagger
06-20-2013, 08:25 PM
The GM who received the negative reports said information from a background check indicated that Hernandez — who has never been suspended for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy during his tenure with the Patriots — attempted to mask drug use.link (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2013/06/20/aaron-hernandez-investigation/2443091/)

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FOX Sports has learned one of the services that provide predraft psychological profiles for select NFL teams gave Hernandez a perfect test score when he was coming out of the University of Florida following his junior season.

“It’s an interesting thing,” the executive said. “Other guys have gotten written up with much worse scores but not gotten into trouble.”LINK (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/aaron-hernandez-investigation-tight-end-had-perfect-score-in-predraft-psychological-test-062013)

Texan_Bill
06-20-2013, 09:16 PM
I will say this, those of us that listen to John and Sean (as in Granato aka @johngranato and Pendergast aka @SeanCablinAsian) and make fun of Seanny being from Connecticut with the "Blue Blood" schitck,

Seanny offers up the fact that Bristol, Connecticut is not *ahem* a "Blue Blood Town"...... In fact referenced it as a "rough Town" which by association relates to a town with "gang" problems of their own.

IDEXAN
06-20-2013, 09:36 PM
I will say this, those of us that listen to John and Sean (as in Granato aka @johngranato and Pendergast aka @SeanCablinAsian) and make fun of Seanny being from Connecticut with the "Blue Blood" schitck,

Seanny offers up the fact that Bristol, Connecticut is not *ahem* a "Blue Blood Town"...... In fact referenced it as a "rough Town" which by association relates to a town with "gang" problems of their own.
Dang Bill, just about everybody has gangs these days, so not sure if that's really a qualifier as a "rough town". Boise, Id. has some gang activity and yet few really think of that city in the context of the "mean streets" of Boise.

disaacks3
06-20-2013, 09:46 PM
Dang Bill, just about everybody has gangs these days, so not sure if that's really a qualifier as a "rough town". Boise, Id. has some gang activity and yet few really think of that city in the context of the "mean streets" of Boise. First hit on "mean streets of boise" (that was too good not to search) Link (http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/the-mean-streets/Content?oid=2468477)

Playoffs
06-20-2013, 10:00 PM
First hit on "mean streets of boise" (that was too good not to search) Link (http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/the-mean-streets/Content?oid=2468477)

Tough taters. :aggressive:

paycheck71
06-20-2013, 10:18 PM
Not a chance. Goodell won't let him play while this is out there. Morality clause will also gets Pats off-the-hook for much of that salary (unsure on the cap).



From a competitive point of view, as a Texans fan, I only care if it remains as a cap hit against the Pats. I don't really care if they get off the hook on actually paying him.

gg no re
06-20-2013, 10:27 PM
He should've called in the Wolf.

Texan_Bill
06-20-2013, 10:35 PM
Dang Bill, just about everybody has gangs these days, so not sure if that's really a qualifier as a "rough town". Boise, Id. has some gang activity and yet few really think of that city in the context of the "mean streets" of Boise.

DUDE!! If Bristol CN, or Ct.... (Forgive me, for I don't know Connectict's abbreviation), but it's a rough town! It makes Sunnyside or other local neighborhoods seem harmless in comparison.

That's full-on "crip" v. "blood" v. "MS13" terroritory, no???

Texan_Bill
06-20-2013, 10:38 PM
He should've called in the Wolf.

"That's forty minutes a way, I'll be there in 20"

-Or something like that-





"I drive really ****ing fast"

CloakNNNdagger
06-20-2013, 10:44 PM
You only thought it couldn't get worse.

Sources: Hernandez seen walking into home within minutes of neighbors hearing gunshots (http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22648587/2013/06/20/sources-hernandez-seen-walking-into-home-within-minutes-of-neighbors-hearing-gunshots#ixzz2WonxMJQ3)

A law enforcement source told FOX 25 Wednesday night Hernandez appears to be directly tied to the homicide of Odin Lloyd; however, at this point there have been no arrests in the case, but new information gathered Thursday paints a clearer picture as to why Hernandez is the focus of the investigation.

FOX 25's Bob Ward's sources have confirmed that there is video evidence of Hernandez and two other men wearing hooded sweatshirts walking into Hernandez's home within minutes of neighbors hearing gunshots.

Neighbors say they heard the gunshots between 3 a.m. and 3:30 a.m. Monday morning, but did not report it to police right away.

Just about an hour before Hernandez was caught on video walking into his home, Hernandez was seen at Lloyd's home in Dorchester.

Playoffs
06-20-2013, 10:57 PM
You only thought it couldn't get worse.

Sources: Hernandez seen walking into home within minutes of neighbors hearing gunshots (http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22648587/2013/06/20/sources-hernandez-seen-walking-into-home-within-minutes-of-neighbors-hearing-gunshots#ixzz2WonxMJQ3)

That's kinda confusing?

Just about an hour before Hernandez was caught on video walking into his home, Hernandez was seen at Lloyd's home in Dorchester.

CloakNNNdagger
06-20-2013, 11:08 PM
That's kinda confusing?

Implies that, after Hernandez was seen at Lloyd's home an hour before, Lloyd found his way to Hernandez's home before the shots were heard by Hernandez's neighbors...........then Lloyd found later shot to death.

chicagotexan2
06-20-2013, 11:19 PM
You have the world at your feet but that isn't enough. Hernandez is a fool for putting himself in these jams.

Playoffs
06-21-2013, 08:04 AM
Arrest Warrant Issued For Aaron Hernandez (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/21/source-arrest-warrant-issued-for-aaron-hernandez/)

BOSTON (CBS) – Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez will be charged in connection with the shooting death of a 27-year-old Dorchester man, a law enforcement source told WBZ NewsRadio 1030 on Friday.

According to that source, an arrest warrant has been issued on a charge of obstruction of justice.

It is expected that State Police will be responsible for arresting Hernandez, but it is not yet clear when and where Hernandez was going to be arrested.

The source added that it is possible that charges could eventually be upgraded.

ChampionTexan
06-21-2013, 08:27 AM
No matter what's going on here, does anybody really have any doubt that
Hernandez is starting the season opener and playing the whole year in NE ?
Any legal problems will be shoved into the 2013-14 offseason.

Assuming Hernandez isn't completely cleared between now and late July, what do you think differentiates this from the Michael Vick situation - where even though it was early in the process, Goodell barred him from attending training camp and supported the action using the following statement:
While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy," Goodell said in a letter to the quarterback.

Or from the Ben Roethlisberger situation, where even though prosecutors had already indicated no rape charges (or any other charges) would be filed, he was suspended for 6 games (subsequently reduced to 4) for violation of the personal conduct policy?

Given the way Goodell has chosen to "protect the shield" in regard to the conduct of the players, you really don't think they would view this as something requiring the sending of a message?

Rey
06-21-2013, 08:49 AM
Hernandez is not going to be playing in the NFL this year unless this all magically fades away.

I don't see Goodell allowing that.

Wolf
06-21-2013, 08:52 AM
Warrant has been issued for obstruction

IDEXAN
06-21-2013, 09:31 AM
Assuming Hernandez isn't completely cleared between now and late July, what do you think differentiates this from the Michael Vick situation

Unlike Michael Vick, Hernandez doesn't have to go up against PETA.

Playoffs
06-21-2013, 09:42 AM
Aaron Hernandez barred by Patriots (http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/06/source_aaron_hernandez_barred_by_patriots)

Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, whose sprawling North Attleboro home is part of a homicide probe, was booted from Gillette Stadium yesterday when he showed up for a workout as cops continued to hunt for clues in the death of a Dorchester man, according to a source close to the team.

Hernandez, 23, was allowed in the building, but staff was waiting for him and instructed him to leave, the source told the Herald.

Patriots spokesman Stacey James would only say that he had no idea why Hernandez came to the Foxboro stadium yesterday.

“No coaches are here,” said James, declining to comment further.



EDIT: Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/06/21/arrests-yet-slaying-man-acquainted-with-new-england-patriots-player-aaron-hernandez/RGpePOOJluLOccxdPDtpCL/story.html): “There are no arrest warrants issued (http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/06/21/arrests-yet-slaying-man-acquainted-with-new-england-patriots-player-aaron-hernandez/RGpePOOJluLOccxdPDtpCL/story.html),’’ said the source who has been briefed on the investigation into the slaying of Odin Lloyd. “For anyone.’’

EDIT,EDIT:
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 2m
Update: Police have prepared arrest warrant for Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez for obstruction of justice, per ABC News.

Keystone cops. :rake:

.

drs23
06-21-2013, 09:48 AM
Edit: See Playoffs post above.

b0ng
06-21-2013, 09:58 AM
Edit: beaten on warrant news

Playoffs
06-21-2013, 10:01 AM
And the piling on begins...

Patriots have lost their way (http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/06/20/aaron-hernandez-situation-signals-that-patriots-way-has-lost-its-way/VEFhPz5hnIv3DVBUaPzVuI/story.html)Why did the Patriots bring him to the stadium? This couldn’t have been handled on the phone? The “brand’’ is very important to Bob and Jonathan. And now a Patriot star leads the news with footage guaranteed to remind us of O.J. on the run in the Bronco.

To his credit, Bill Belichick has never positioned himself as a sculptor of souls or a pillar of the community. Belichick wants good players who can help him win games. And that’s why he has, through the years, taken a shot on players who might have found trouble elsewhere. The cast includes Corey Dillon, Randy Moss, Brandon Meriweather, Brandon Spikes, Haynesworth, Willie Andrews, Alfonzo Dennard, Nick Kaczur, and Aqib Talib. To name a few.

And now Hernandez joins the club.

What made the Krafts drop a bag of money on this young man while Wes Welker was virtually booted out of Foxborough because he doesn’t conform to the franchise’s standards of “value’’? Is this another instance of the Patriots thinking they are smarter than everyone or is the increasingly erratic Bob Kraft (the Ricki Lander video, reintroducing Putin’s ring theft, flashing the Roc sign with Jay-Z?) suddenly making bad judgments?

The Patriots have trouble in their house. They looked trouble in the eye and rewarded it with a huge contract. It could happen to any team. But it is not supposed to happen in Foxborough. The leadership that pushed “Patriot Way” looks like it has lost its way.

Patriots should part ways with Aaron Hernandez (http://www.boston.com/blogs/sports/columnists/kaufman/2013/06/aaron_hernandezs_patriots_career_likely_over.html)

The narrative involves a semi-professional football player who never returned home after a night out with friends, a millionaire NFL tight end and his checkered past, a damaged rental car, an untimely visit from a cleaning crew, and a video surveillance system and cell phone, both intentionally destroyed before authorities could access them.

The murder of Boston Bandits football player and Dorchester native Odin Lloyd, whose body was found about one mile from the North Attleborough home of Patriots star Aaron Hernandez, has produced a never-ending stream of questions. But, as each additional query mounts, one answer is rapidly taking shape:

After three impressive seasons, it's time for New England to end its relationship with Hernandez.

CloakNNNdagger
06-21-2013, 10:33 AM
Nice summary of a guy with total social personality deficit. Even as a rookie mouthed off to Welker right after the Draft.

Aaron Hernandez’s scouting report was ominous (http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/06/21/drafting-hernandez-was-always-risk-reward-proposition-for-patriots/3HWjGvTSTOOOs5BtpvFDcJ/story.html)

Hervoyel
06-21-2013, 10:44 AM
Yeah, there may be reason or maybe he has a smart friend advising him now. Couldn't be his lawyer advising him to destroy evidence. :cool:

Sorry to everyone else, but destroying evidence is smart. Public opinion doesn't put you in prison...evidence does. And even if he gets in trouble for doing it, I am pretty sure getting convicted of destroying stuff is preferable to getting convicted for murder.


The guy who ditched Ray Lewis' clothes for him agrees with you completely and so do I.

Ray on the other hand just wants to thank the lord and look to the future.

Double Barrel
06-21-2013, 11:16 AM
I hate that a dude lost his life in this story. No way to be subjective about that part.

But, I have to admit that anything that distracts the Patriots is good for our team considering the two games last season. Ravens getting gutted and a distracted Patriots team (murder charges and Tebowmania) means the Texans can find a gap to shoot for in January.

2012Champs
06-21-2013, 12:28 PM
The guy who ditched Ray Lewis' clothes for him agrees with you completely and so do I.

Ray on the other hand just wants to thank the lord and look to the future.



Are you aware that the other two guys involved with Ray went to trial and were acquitted? matter of fact it was a unanamous veridct by the jury

Hervoyel
06-21-2013, 01:07 PM
Are you aware that the other two guys involved with Ray went to trial and were acquitted? matter of fact it was a unanamous veridct by the jury


Yes I am. Has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Are you aware that the clothes Ray was wearing have never been recovered? I was commenting on the benefits of destroying evidence and how it seemed to have served Ray Lewis well.

Hervoyel
06-21-2013, 01:11 PM
I hate that a dude lost his life in this story. No way to be subjective about that part.

But, I have to admit that anything that distracts the Patriots is good for our team considering the two games last season. Ravens getting gutted and a distracted Patriots team (murder charges and Tebowmania) means the Texans can find a gap to shoot for in January.


No doubt that's true. Stepping away from the murder of this person and looking at nothing more than the situation the Patriots offense is in going into July I see a team with no Wes Welker, no Aaron Hernandez, Tim Tebow hanging around bringing his own peculiar brand of strange attention, and Gronk coming off that messed up arm.

It's good news on the field for the Texans.

2012Champs
06-21-2013, 01:11 PM
Yes I am. Has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Are you aware that the clothes Ray was wearing have never been recovered? I was commenting on the benefits of destroying evidence and how it seemed to have served Ray Lewis well.


The clothes never being recovered actually have zero basis on the case. Who did that help? No one

Hervoyel
06-21-2013, 01:16 PM
The clothes never being recovered actually have zero basis on the case. Who did that help? No one

That's just ridiculous. Why did they discard them if they didn't have blood all over them as described by multiple witnesses. Their not being present or subject to investigation most assuredly contributed to the state not pursuing charges against Ray-Ray.

"Your honor, here we have the suit Ray Lewis was wearing when he was involved in the vicious attack. The stains you see are human blood and the crime lab has determined that this belonged to the victim".

Yeah, that never happening didn't help anyone.

2012Champs
06-21-2013, 01:23 PM
That's just ridiculous. Why did they discard them if they didn't have blood all over them as described by multiple witnesses. Their not being present or subject to investigation most assuredly contributed to the state not pursuing charges against Ray-Ray.

"Your honor, here we have the suit Ray Lewis was wearing when he was involved in the vicious attack. The stains you see are human blood and the crime lab has determined that this belonged to the victim".

Yeah, that never happening didn't help anyone.



If the cloths were recovered and the guys who actually did the killing were acquitted what would that have done to Ray? What charges would have come forth or convictions? The guys who did the killing were let go, let that sink in

Hervoyel
06-21-2013, 01:36 PM
If the cloths were recovered and the guys who actually did the killing were acquitted what would that have done to Ray? What charges would have come forth or convictions? The guys who did the killing were let go, let that sink in

The case against the killers was incomplete due to a lack of evidence (like stuff being thrown away and never recovered.... Hello? Anyone home?)

One of them, "Ray Lewis" pled to a lesser charge and wasn't even tried for the killing. You are certain that because the other guys walked that missing evidence would not have made any difference and that's just speculation. I think you have this all turned around backwards. Clothes with incriminating blood on them were discarded. Fingerprints were wiped off of a knife at the scene.

If evidence wasn't destroyed those men probably go to prison (admittedly speculation on my part) and Ray-Ray probably joins them (ditto speculation). Nobody can know what a jury will do regardless of what they're given. That's true. At the same time you can't look at what they did without certain evidence and assume they would do the same thing if they had it.

Mr teX
06-21-2013, 01:36 PM
hernandez was/is a weedhead superthug...should've known that trouble would eventually find this dude after all the reported drug tests he failed at florida that meyer covered.

Hervoyel
06-21-2013, 01:41 PM
hernandez was/is a weedhead superthug...should've known that trouble wouldeventually find this dude after all the reported drug tests he failed at florida that meyer covered.

Maybe now he'll turn his life around and find "God". You know, plead down to a lesser charge and drop his buddies in the grease. Then he could do his time, take his suspension, and play another decade. When he finishes he can throw out something like ""God has never made a mistake. That’s just who He is, you see.... To the family, if you knew, if you really knew the way God works, He don’t use people who commits anything like that for His glory.” to the guys family and smile all the way to the bank.

But my point has been since I responded to TD that yes, destroying evidence has worked out well in the past for more than one high profile suspect in cases like this.

2012Champs
06-21-2013, 01:41 PM
The case against the killers was incomplete due to a lack of evidence (like stuff being thrown away and never recovered.... Hello? Anyone home?)

One of them, "Ray Lewis" pled to a lesser charge and wasn't even tried for the killing. You are certain that because the other guys walked that missing evidence would not have made any difference and that's just speculation. I think you have this all turned around backwards. Clothes with incriminating blood on them were discarded. Fingerprints were wiped off of a knife at the scene.

If evidence wasn't destroyed those men probably go to prison (admittedly speculation on my part) and Ray-Ray probably joins them (ditto speculation). Nobody can know what a jury will do regardless of what they're given. That's true. At the same time you can't look at what they did without certain evidence and assume they would do the same thing if they had it.


What would Ray's cloths have done for the other two who were acquitted?

Hervoyel
06-21-2013, 01:46 PM
What would Ray's cloths have done for the other two who were acquitted?

ob·tuse
/əbˈt(y)o͞os/


Adjective

Annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.
Difficult to understand.

Spent all the time I'm going to trying to explain this to you. work it out for yourself.

TexansSeminole
06-21-2013, 02:00 PM
ob·tuse
/əbˈt(y)o͞os/


Adjective

Annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.
Difficult to understand.

Spent all the time I'm going to trying to explain this to you. work it out for yourself.

LOL, sounds like me when 2012Champs insists on continuing to debate something that either has nothing to do with the point of the conversation, or cannot understand (or admit to understanding) something very simple about a situation.

hernandez was/is a weedhead superthug...should've known that trouble would eventually find this dude after all the reported drug tests he failed at florida that meyer covered.

It's odd to me when you get these weedheads who also turn into violent people. When I smoked weed, I never wanted to fight anyone or get in any kind of argument. Maybe they used the weed to calm themselves down? It just seems so odd to me.

CloakNNNdagger
06-21-2013, 02:18 PM
No doubt that's true. Stepping away from the murder of this person and looking at nothing more than the situation the Patriots offense is in going into July I see a team with no Wes Welker, no Aaron Hernandez, Tim Tebow hanging around bringing his own peculiar brand of strange attention, and Gronk coming off that messed up arm.

It's good news on the field for the Texans.

And the ultimate outcome of that minimally invasive back surgery (Gronk) is not a given to overlook.

Heath Shuler
06-21-2013, 02:22 PM
I hate that a dude lost his life in this story. No way to be subjective about that part.

But, I have to admit that anything that distracts the Patriots is good for our team considering the two games last season. Ravens getting gutted and a distracted Patriots team (murder charges and Tebowmania) means the Texans can find a gap to shoot for in January.

mmmm can peyton manning be as squeaky clean as we are led to believe?:um:

Mr teX
06-21-2013, 02:47 PM
LOL, sounds like me when 2012Champs insists on continuing to debate something that either has nothing to do with the point of the conversation, or cannot understand (or admit to understanding) something very simple about a situation.



It's odd to me when you get these weedheads who also turn into violent people. When I smoked weed, I never wanted to fight anyone or get in any kind of argument. Maybe they used the weed to calm themselves down? It just seems so odd to me.

That's probably b/c you were smoking pure weed with no additives. These days its rare you'll find pure weed. Even though these things were around in the 70's it has steadily picked up steam in the mid to late 90's to now with kids smoking weed with additives.

"wet" = weed dipped in embalming fluid
"fry"/"sherm"/"illy" = weed dipped in PCP

& if you've ever been around some of these people smoking this stuff...they can get pretty crazy.

Coolhandsluke2
06-21-2013, 04:57 PM
Copied and pasted from a pats forum

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=66735&page=44


2:37 p.m.: An image has surfaced of the man suing Aaron Hernandez. Alexander Bradley said the tight end shot him through the arm and into the face, causing the loss of his right eye.

Bradley’s mugshot from April, two months after the shooting, appears to show Bradley without a right eye.

Check it out in the tweet below.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNTC9nJCMAA_2_k.jpg


12:08 p.m.: Ian Rapoport just tweeted that police have entered Aaron Hernandez’s house with a search warrant. The two Massachusetts State police officers knocked on Hernandez’s door, entered and quickly left, according to Kevin Armstrong of the New York Daily News.

11:45 a.m.: Aaron Hernandez was asked to leave the Patriots’ facility on Thursday because the team was wary of the media circus arriving, according to Ian Rapoport of NFL.com. There were events at the stadium (including one with Govenor Deval Patrick) and the team felt Hernandez shouldn’t be present.

Rapoport reports Hernandez was in the facility for 35 minutes and did not work out. Rapoport also said Hernandez would not be back at Gillette Stadium until at least July 25, when training camp starts.

11:36 a.m.: An earlier report from The Boston Globe says that Odin Lloyd was killed in the North Attleboro industrial park where he was found. The report also said Lloyd had been shot multiple times.

11:35 a.m.: Ian Rapoport of NFL.com is reporting that the court magistrate told the NFL Network that three search warrants have been issued in the North Attleboro murder investigation. They would not give out locations of the warrants, though.

11:30 a.m. EST: There have been conflicting reports throughout the morning about a possible arrest warrant issued for Aaron Hernandez. ABC and CBS reported earlier that an arrest warrant had been issued, but The Boston Globe and NFL.com reported an arrest warrant had not been issued. The latest that ABC is reporting is that an arrest warrant has been drawn up, but not issued yet.

The warrant is for obstruction of justice. Hernandez reportedly destroyed a cell phone and security system and hired a cleaning crew for his house on Monday.

Earlier in the morning, there were reports that Hernandez is barred from the Patriots’ facility. Hernandez also reportedly threatened Wes Welker over some rookie razzing in 2010

thunderkyss
06-21-2013, 05:11 PM
Copied and pasted from a pats forum

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=66735&page=44


2:37 p.m.: An image has surfaced of the man suing Aaron Hernandez. Alexander Bradley said the tight end shot him through the arm and into the face, causing the loss of his right eye.

Bradley’s mugshot from April, two months after the shooting, appears to show Bradley without a right eye.




This has nothing to do with the current dead body right? What we're saying here is that Aaron Hernandez shot a man in the arm & eye back in April, in addition to whatever Hernandez's involvement is with this new case?

So that thing happened in April, then the Patriots extended his contract, then this thing happens, then the Patriots banned him from the facility??

Wow....

CloakNNNdagger
06-21-2013, 05:21 PM
CytoSport, a sports nutrition company whose products include Muscle Milk, said in a statement that it was ending its contract “in light of the investigation involving Aaron Hernandez.”

Hernandez also has a two-year endorsement deal with Puma, the sportswear company, announced earlier this year. A Puma spokeswoman said Friday that the company was aware of the situation but had no comment.link (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19076632-hernandez-loses-endorsement-deal-as-police-continue-probe-into-killing?lite)

BullBlitz
06-21-2013, 06:07 PM
I hate that a dude lost his life in this story. No way to be subjective about that part.

But, I have to admit that anything that distracts the Patriots is good for our team considering the two games last season. Ravens getting gutted and a distracted Patriots team (murder charges and Tebowmania) means the Texans can find a gap to shoot for in January.

Patriots will be fine.

Playoffs
06-21-2013, 06:55 PM
ABC: Hernandez warrant coming (http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/9409826/police-expected-issue-arrest-warrant-aaron-hernandez-new-england-patriots-reports-abc-news)"There's a federal statute in every state that you cannot knowingly destroy evidence. And what [authorities] believe has happened here is that the home surveillance system was destroyed, the cellphone was destroyed, the house was cleaned, and the police think there was evidence that was destroyed because of that," ESPN legal analyst Roger Cossack said.

Federal statute in every state -- I'm confused.

Does that mean the Feds can come in and charge him for destroying evidence?

dc_txtech
06-21-2013, 09:13 PM
These days its rare you'll find pure weed.

Lol, that might be the most ill-informed statement about weed since Reefer Madness.

Playoffs
06-21-2013, 10:56 PM
http://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2013/06/21/BostonGlobe.com/Metro/Images/herandez1.jpg
http://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2013/06/21/BostonGlobe.com/Metro/Images/03754571.jpg
http://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2013/06/21/BostonGlobe.com/Metro/Images/03754582.jpg

Playoffs
06-21-2013, 11:29 PM
A source told FOX 25's Bob Ward that the warrant, for obstruction of justice, was issued early Friday morning. The source says the warrant is what is known as a "paper warrant." State Police are not executing it for the time being.

If the warrant were entered into the system, any police officer could immediately arrest Hernandez.

FOX 25 legal analyst Brad Bailey says the use of a paper warrant is often used as a means of negotiation with a defense attorney.

"It may be that this is a squeeze tactic," Bailey explains. "It may be telling Mr. Hernandez that we have a warrant, a warrant for a crime that has a potential maximum penalty of seven years in prison, is a tactic to get him to come to the table, start talking and start cooperating. And that's where the lawyers may be saying, okay, we got it. You got our attention. We're willing to respond."

On Thursday, Ward's sources confirmed that a hard drive to Hernandez's home surveillance system was heavily damaged when state police investigators went to his home earlier this week. A source also said that Hernandez's cell phone was confiscated by police and that it had also suffered damage.

Sources said there was video evidence of Hernandez and two other men wearing hooded sweatshirts walking into Hernandez's home within minutes of neighbors hearing gunshots between 3 a.m. and 3:30 a.m. Monday morning. The sources said neighbors did not report the shots right away.

About an hour before Hernandez was seen on video walking into his home, he was seen at Lloyd's home in Dorchester according to another source.

Hernandez, Lloyd, and two other men were reportedly at a bar in Boston the night of the homicide, and at some point, the four men left together in a car driven by Hernandez which was confirmed by a text Lloyd sent another friend, a source said.

FOX 25 legal analysts say that an obstruction of justice charge is serious, particularly in a murder investigation and can carry a sentence of up to five years in prison.
Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22652122/arrest-warrant-issued-for-pats-hernandez#.UcTovYpG7zU.twitter#ixzz2Wuqw9IaO

Rey
06-22-2013, 09:56 AM
I don't think he plays in the nfl again.

chicagotexan2
06-22-2013, 11:28 AM
I don't think he plays in the nfl again.

If ray lewis and Leonard little did I won't rule any loser out.

b0ng
06-22-2013, 11:42 AM
I don't think he plays in the nfl again.

Even if he gets convicted, as long as his sentence isn't more than a year or so, he'll play again.

thunderkyss
06-22-2013, 12:07 PM
If ray lewis and Leonard little did I won't rule any loser out.

Far as I know there was that one incident with Rey Lewis and he was acquitted for it.

But even if Aaron Hernandez is acquitted of all wrong doing on this incident, there's still the one from April where he allegedly shot a guy in the eye.

Rey Lewis is also in the "greatest LB of all time" conversation. I can understand people taking a chance on him. Hernandez isn't even in the "greatest TEs in Patriots history" conversation.

2012Champs
06-22-2013, 12:38 PM
Far as I know there was that one incident with Rey Lewis and he was acquitted for it.

But even if Aaron Hernandez is acquitted of all wrong doing on this incident, there's still the one from April where he allegedly shot a guy in the eye.

Rey Lewis is also in the "greatest LB of all time" conversation. I can understand people taking a chance on him. Hernandez isn't even in the "greatest TEs in Patriots history" conversation.


Lewis pled guilty to obstruction of justice and the murder charges were dropped. They other two guys involved in the murder case were unanimously acquitted by a jury of all charges

Playoffs
06-22-2013, 12:58 PM
This gets more bizarre...

Aaron Hernandez faces allegations of gun violence in suit (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/06/21/for-new-england-patriots-tight-end-aaron-hernandez-events-feb-florida-raise-questions/1ANsAjhXDIOQPUkBdxP6XL/story.html)
The alley where Bradley was found on February 13, 2013 on the asphalt, wrapped in a fetal position, sits just half a mile to the east and a mile north from the closest exit from I-95. Bradley lay in a pool of blood, his right eye lost, in a gritty parking space off an industrial alley in Riviera Beach, 65 miles up Interstate 95 to the north.

According to the police report, Bradley was shot in the right temple and pleaded with the manager of an adjacent John Deere store who called 911. “Tell them to hurry,” Bradley told the store manager. “I’m gonna bleed out.”

Bradley has undergone multiple surgeries for facial reconstruction, suffers from extreme pain, and is “substantially disabled,” according to the complaint.

Bradley refused to identify his assailant when he was found in Riviera Beach or, later, at a West Palm Beach hospital. But he does in his civil action, blaming Hernandez. On Friday, Waks would not discuss why Bradley decided to name Hernandez in the complaint, which does not specify whether Bradley believes the gunshot was intentional or accidental.

The complaint states that Hernandez and Bradley were part of a group that spent the evening at Tootsie’s, and that the pair argued before they and two others began driving north toward Palm Beach.

Bradley has a prior arrest from March 2006 (http://news.lalate.com/category/alexander-bradley/)...for...felony distribution, a charge for which he accepted a guilty plea. He ultimately served eighteen months and was released in 2007.

Bradley was arrested again on April 5, 2013 (http://news.lalate.com/2013/06/21/alexander-bradley-arrested-on-criminal-charges-exclusive/) for felony third degree burglary, misdemeanor disorderly conduct, misdemeanor second degree criminal mischief, and misdemeanor third degree assault.

Alexander J. Bradley, before & after...

http://www.televisioninternet.com/news/pictures/Alexander-Bradley-Aaron-Hernandez-shooting-victim-alleged.jpg
http://news.lalate.com/pictures/Alexander-Bradley-after.jpg


So it sounds like Hernandez was running with this gangster... or dealing with this dealer... and got into an argument over, what? Drugs? Price?

Hernandez shoots the guy in the head and, thinking he's going to die, drives an hour away to an industrial area and dumps the body in an alley. But the guy lived, and lost an eyes thanks to the Patriots TE.

Being the good gangster that he was, Bradley didn't snitch. Because criminals don't snitch on other criminals. Perhaps he tried to blackmail Hernandez into paying for trying to kill him? Perhaps he was just negotiating a settlement for his pain & suffering man-to-man...

Whatever, Hernandez stiffed him and Bradley was forced to hire an attorney.

“How did they end up here?” asked Paul Bencebi (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/06/21/for-new-england-patriots-tight-end-aaron-hernandez-events-feb-florida-raise-questions/1ANsAjhXDIOQPUkBdxP6XL/story.html), manager of a printing-material shop in Riviera Beach. That’s where Bradley was discovered bleeding from the temple, curled up in a parking space behind the building about 6:30 a.m.

The site sits close to the frenetic rumbling of I-95, but feels separate and remote, a dense mixture of bland, low-rise manufacturing and commercial buildings.

“I couldn’t believe it,” said Bencebi, who had used a hose to wash away the blood. “Why here, unless they were doing something no one wants to see?”

thunderkyss
06-22-2013, 01:03 PM
Lewis pled guilty to obstruction of justice and the murder charges were dropped. They other two guys involved in the murder case were unanimously acquitted by a jury of all charges

And the price of tea in China is.......

2012Champs
06-22-2013, 01:11 PM
And the price of tea in China is.......

Irrelevant when you say Lewis was acquitted so I just clarified. People tend to bring up Ray and there is plenty of misinformation

thunderkyss
06-22-2013, 01:11 PM
This gets more bizarre...
Alexander J. Bradley, before & after...

So it sounds like Hernandez was running with this gangster... or dealing with this dealer... and got into an argument over, what? Drugs? Price?

Hernandez shoots the guy in the head and, thinking he's going to die, drives an hour away to an industrial area and dumps the body in an alley. But the guy lived, and lost an eyes thanks to the Patriots TE.



I think we're talking about two different incidents. The Bradley thing happened around the SuperBowl in February..... in Florida. Bradley was left for dead.

This thing that has Hernandez in the news now is about the death of Odin Loyd, found in Rhode Island.... recently. Loyd is dead.

PapaL
06-22-2013, 01:38 PM
In the words of the Cleveland busdriver, You going to jail now!

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/4186432/you-going-to-jail-now-o.gif

CloakNNNdagger
06-22-2013, 09:02 PM
The state police have come back a couple of times today. The last time is with 2 German Shepherds.


Kevin Armstrong ‏@KevinGArmstrong 8h
State police now leash second, larger dog and enter through back of house.

Kevin Armstrong Kevin Armstrong ‏@KevinGArmstrong 8h
State police officer just came back to cruiser to get German shepherd to search inside Aaron Hernandez's house. Dog is barking loudly.

Wonder if they're looking for drugs.

Playoffs
06-22-2013, 09:54 PM
The state police have come back a couple of times today. The last time is with 2 German Shepherds.

Wonder if they're looking for drugs.Drugs, guns, blood, gunshot residue, the works.

Henandez's associates...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNZk_RBCEAA9aK1.jpg
Search dog...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNY-19ECIAABLOS.jpg
Bagged evidence...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNZd_iwCQAAXUB2.jpg

chicagotexan2
06-22-2013, 10:21 PM
The state police have come back a couple of times today. The last time is with 2 German Shepherds.




Wonder if they're looking for drugs.

Or cadavers?

CloakNNNdagger
06-23-2013, 08:47 AM
From the LA TIMES:


By Chuck Schilken
June 23, 2013, 5:02 a.m.



A second search of New England tight end Aaron Hernandez's home took place Saturday as part of an ongoing investigation into the death of a man whose body was found about a mile away from the North Attleboro, Mass., estate on Monday.

The search, which lasted more than three hours, involved police officers, K9 units, a locksmith and a crowbar.

It was unclear what the law enforcement officials were looking for, but they searched the home, backyard, a large playhouse and two vehicles, including a white Audi SUV driven by Hernandez, according to MassLive.com.

The website states that the officials emerged with 10 paper bags full of evidence, as well as a cardboard box.

IDEXAN
06-23-2013, 09:01 AM
Unless I missed something, I'm beginning to think they are never gonna bust this guy ?

Lucky
06-23-2013, 09:46 AM
Unless I missed something, I'm beginning to think they are never gonna bust this guy ?
I think you are too used to seeing murders wrapped up in an hour on CSI Wherever. It takes time to investigate and build a case in real life. It's pretty clear to me that Hernandez will be charged at some point.

IDEXAN
06-23-2013, 10:59 AM
I think you are too used to seeing murders wrapped up in an hour on CSI Wherever. It takes time to investigate and build a case in real life. It's pretty clear to me that Hernandez will be charged at some point.
"Book 'em, Danno!"

CloakNNNdagger
06-23-2013, 11:39 AM
"Book 'em, Danno!"

Yeh........funny how we're not hearing a peep about any of Hernandez's buddies............:kitten:

2012Champs
06-23-2013, 12:24 PM
Unless I missed something, I'm beginning to think they are never gonna bust this guy ?


Real life that's what you're missing

Playoffs
06-23-2013, 12:50 PM
I think you are too used to seeing murders wrapped up in an hour on CSI Wherever. It takes time to investigate and build a case in real life. It's pretty clear to me that Hernandez will be charged at some point.

Yep, and looks like the small local police department wisely asked the Massachusetts State Police to come in and assist. Doubt they've handled many homicides going up against high profile, big shot lawyers. Dotting all their "i"s, crossing all their "t"s, getting their ducks in a row.

I'm wondering how they'll defend AHern? Wall of silence? Other guy did it? Suicide? Accident? Self-defense? Coach Belichick told me to destroy the video?

CloakNNNdagger
06-23-2013, 03:40 PM
Yep, and looks like the small local police department wisely asked the Massachusetts State Police to come in and assist. Doubt they've handled many homicides going up against high profile, big shot lawyers. Dotting all their "i"s, crossing all their "t"s, getting their ducks in a row.

I'm wondering how they'll defend AHern? Wall of silence? Other guy did it? Suicide? Accident? Self-defense? Coach Belichick told me to destroy the video?

You can probably rule out suicide...........unless he used a machine gun.......:kitten:

Playoffs
06-23-2013, 04:24 PM
You can probably rule out suicide...........unless he used a machine gun.......:kitten:

There is the phenomena of multiple gunshot suicide, believe or not. Johnny Cochran would have used it.

CloakNNNdagger
06-23-2013, 09:52 PM
Overall, this has turned from a story of hope into a very sad story.

Some thoughts on the Aaron Hernandez situation: How did we get from there to here? (http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2013/06/some_thoughts_on_the_aaron_her.html#/0)

CloakNNNdagger
06-24-2013, 10:20 AM
http://www.the-numbers.com/video/Snitch/Snitch-poster.jpg


Boston free-lance reporter and TV anchor Kathryn Sotnik's Twitter:


PatriotsXLVIII PatriotsXLVIII ‏@PatriotsXLVIII 1h
Somebody's cooperating. MT @kathrynsotnik: Developing---MSP suiting up to enter body of water near Hernandez home. pic.twitter.com/EsONwZQvwd



Deep Threat Deep Threat ‏@DeeepThreat 1h
@PatriotsXLVIII Probably someone who's prints will not be on that gun.


Kenneth J Carlson Kenneth J Carlson ‏@Kjcarlson77 1h
@kathrynsotnik @ProFootballTalk if Hernandez gets convicted, I'll say it again...ESPN should create "the longest yard" as a reality show



Drew Drew ‏@DrewfromJersey 1h
@PatriotsXLVIII Sounds like the pressure got someone to chirp huh? @kathrynsotnik


PatriotsXLVIII PatriotsXLVIII ‏@PatriotsXLVIII 1h
@DrewfromJersey @kathrynsotnik Looks like they may have gotten someone to chirp.


Rocky Mac Rocky Mac ‏@rockymcdonald 18m
“@kathrynsotnik: Developing---MA state police suiting up to enter a body of water near Aaron Hernandez home. @NECN pic.twitter.com/51d2qCHdB1”

Rey
06-24-2013, 10:27 AM
Wow...

If they find the murder weapon near his home Hernandez is even dumber than I thought.

You dump the body near your home and then you also dump the murder weapon by your home?

He's serving himself up on a silver platter.

HOU-TEX
06-24-2013, 10:31 AM
Wow...

If they find the murder weapon near his home Hernandez is even dumber than I thought.

You dump the body near your home and then you also dump the murder weapon by your home?

He's serving himself up on a silver platter.

IIRC, he wasn't the brightest candle on the cake coming out of Florida. I think he had multiple off the field issues then too.

CloakNNNdagger
06-24-2013, 10:54 AM
IIRC, he wasn't the brightest candle on the cake coming out of Florida. I think he had multiple off the field issues then too.

It's funny because I read somewhere that he along with Percy Harvin actually were present at all of their classes and tests. Hernandez, FWIW, scored a 30 on the Wonderlic. I would say that rather thanactually being dumb, Hernandez has always seemed to do stupid things.

Playoffs
06-24-2013, 11:05 AM
Snitch -- criminal's lingo.

If someone had spoken up sooner perhaps this man wouldn't have been murdered.


Police searching stream near Hernandez's home...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNiAUs2CcAAIbm0.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNiJ6OICEAMBWl4.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNiRwABCQAE0Cy0.jpg

HOU-TEX
06-24-2013, 11:33 AM
It's funny because I read somewhere that he along with Percy Harvin actually were present at all of their classes and tests. Hernandez, FWIW, scored a 30 on the Wonderlic. I would say that rather thanactually being dumb, Hernandez has always seemed to do stupid things.

Just common sense, I reckon. Some people have it, some people don't.

He's a darn good athlete. It'll be a shame if he's guilty of something. It'll be another wasted talent that we see too often.

Double Barrel
06-24-2013, 01:12 PM
Patriots will be fine.

Probably...maybe...

Losing Welker, Gronk injured, and now Hernandez most likely out for 2013 and beyond...Captain Marvelous can only do so much without weapons.

CloakNNNdagger
06-24-2013, 01:16 PM
From NFL.com

Massachusetts State Police set up a tent near New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez's North Attleboro home Monday morning, as they searched nearby waters for evidence connected to the Odin Lloyd homicide investigation, NFL Network's Rich Hollenberg reported. At least six officers were present, with some dressed in full scuba gear and carrying metal detectors.

Fred
06-24-2013, 01:23 PM
... I would say that rather than actually being dumb, Hernandez has always seemed to do stupid things.
On this one I'm going to have to agree with Forrest Gump's mama "Stupid is as stupid does."

CloakNNNdagger
06-24-2013, 01:33 PM
Probably...maybe...

Losing Welker, Gronk injured, and now Hernandez most likely out for 2013 and beyond...Captain Marvelous can only do so much without weapons.

Edelman's on the bubble and hasn't yet practiced all offseason after his foot injury. And the Pat's 2 drafted WRs were injured during minicamp (2nd round and 4th round). They picked up FA WR Amendola, but last year was his only decent year, and he is a slot receiver.

Also keep in mind that Brady's 2012 touchdown percentage was his lowest since 2009. His yards per attempt were at their lowest since 2008, and his completion percentage at its lowest since 2006.

Playoffs
06-24-2013, 03:28 PM
Losing Welker, Gronk injured, and now Hernandez most likely out for 2013 and beyond...In effect, Belichick traded Hernandez for Welker. :smiliepalm:

..Captain Marvelous can only do so much without weapons.Redeploy the clandestine video cameras!!! :photos:

Double Barrel
06-24-2013, 03:28 PM
Edelman's on the bubble and hasn't yet practiced all offseason after his foot injury. And the Pat's 2 drafted WRs were injured during minicamp (2nd round and 4th round). They picked up FA WR Amendola, but last year was his only decent year, and he is a slot receiver.

Also keep in mind that Brady's 2012 touchdown percentage was his lowest since 2009. His yards per attempt were at their lowest since 2008, and his completion percentage at its lowest since 2006.

yep. And while I like Brady and have tremendous respect for his talent and career, the dude is not getting any younger. There will be a point where he is no longer "the" Tom Brady and age catches up to him.

paycheck71
06-24-2013, 03:59 PM
In effect, Belichick traded Hernandez for Welker. :smiliepalm:


I think I disagree with this. They signed Amendola to replace Welker, so I think that's a better comparison. Hernandez' deal happened a year before that, and they still could have kept Welker if they wanted to pay him. Instead they decided to let him go and pay that money to someone else (Amendola).

CloakNNNdagger
06-24-2013, 06:23 PM
Police find 'no evidence' in pond near home of Aaron Hernandez (http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-pond-aaron-hernandez-20130624,0,6370926.story)

Police searching a pond near the home of New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez said they found “no evidence” connected to the homicide of a 27-year-old man last week.


Authorities searched the water for about an hour, disclosing to reporters only that they were looking for evidence of the crime.

One officer wore a wetsuit and carried what looked to be a metal detector into the heavily wooded area near Hernandez’s sprawling home in North Attleborough, Mass.

According to USA Today, it appeared the only item recovered was a partially deflated football.

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Legal expert: Hernandez's fame a factor for police (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2013/06/24/aaron-hernandez-legal-analyst/2453269/)

Texan_Bill
06-24-2013, 08:15 PM
Police find 'no evidence' in pond near home of Aaron Hernandez (http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-pond-aaron-hernandez-20130624,0,6370926.story)



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Legal expert: Hernandez's fame a factor for police (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2013/06/24/aaron-hernandez-legal-analyst/2453269/)

Yeah Doc, I read this earlier. I'm not clear as to what exactly they were looking for tho'

chicagotexan2
06-24-2013, 09:16 PM
From NFL.com

It's looking more like Hernandez might ne going into prison a Tight End and coming out a Wide Receiver.

CloakNNNdagger
06-24-2013, 10:22 PM
Attorney Michael Fee has issued a statement attacking media reports indicating that a warrant has been issued for Hernandez’s arrest on obstruction of justice charges. Via Wesley Lowery of the Boston Globe, Fee said that Hernandez has been “the subject of a relentless flood of rumors, misinformation and false reports in the media.”

Fee added that the supposedly false reports “include repeated publication of supposedly confirmed report an arrest warrant had been issued for Aaron, a report exposed as untrue.”

“None of [the] false reports come from official sources and we appreciate the professionalism and restraint shown by the Bristol County DA,” Fee adds.

For starters, how does Fee know that the “false reports” aren’t coming from “official sources.” And precisely what is an “official source”?

While we have been careful to point out that media reports attributed to unnamed law-enforcement sources should be regarded with skepticism because the unnamed law-enforcement sources may not know the truth or may be selling an untrue version of it for strategic reasons, Fee has no way of knowing that “officials sources” (whatever they are) haven’t been spreading misinformation.

And if Fee is going to paint with a belated broad brush in disputing the various reports that have created an unflattering tapestry for Hernandez, he needs to back it up with concrete details. Does he deny that Hernandez destroyed his cell phone? Does he deny that Hernandez destroyed his home-surveillance system? Does he deny that Hernandez hired a cleaning crew to “scrub” his house the day after the murder of Odin Lloyd.

It’s not enough, at this stage of the game, to complain generally about untrue reports. Fee needs to list the reports he claims are false, and he needs to explain why they’re false.

But that won’t happen. Fee says he’ll have no further comment.

Until, of course, his next comment.LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/24/hernandezs-lawyer-speaks-out-against-false-reports-of-arrest-warrant/)

steelbtexan
06-25-2013, 08:37 AM
What would Ray's cloths have done for the other two who were acquitted?

If you actually think that Ray Ray's missing bloody clothes/knife being wiped down didn't help in Ray/Ray's defense/other dudes, then I dont known what alternative universe you are living in.

BTW, as long as the Pats have Belichick/Brady they wont miss Hernandez. They were winning championships long before Hernandez was on the team.

People that day this is the begining of the end of the Pats dynasty are only using wishful thinking.

Playoffs
06-25-2013, 08:40 AM
Aaron Hernandez could be the poster boy for a league-wide SEC drug policy (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/06/aaron_hernandez_could_be_the_p.html)

The Globe quoted one "longtime NFL executive" who suggested that Hernandez had failed as many as six drug tests at Florida.

Last week, Sports Illustrated reinforced that story, reporting that "Hernandez also admitted to NFL teams that he failed numerous drug tests prior to the 2010 NFL Draft."OK. So how many games did Hernandez miss in his three years at Florida?

One.If one school in the league has a three-strikes-and-you're-out drug policy, and another requires four failed tests before dismissal, that can give the second school an edge in keeping its best players on the field.

That's assuming each school sticks to its stated drug policy in every case. Hands up if you believe that.

Anyone?

Consider the curious case of former LSU star Tyrann Mathieu. USA Today reported that, according to an NFL assistant coach, when asked by that team how many drug tests he failed at LSU, Mathieu said he "quit counting at 10."

Asked about that report, LSU coach Les Miles said, "I don't really have the numbers there."

Mathieu was suspended for one game during the 2011 season, reportedly for failing a drug test for synthetic marijuana - he was later dismissed from the team before the 2012 season - but typically, it takes multiple failed tests for a player to miss even one game. Again, that number differs from school to school.

Why?

With millions of dollars at stake based on winning SEC and BCS championships, there's incentive for a school to maintain a softer policy that helps keep players on the field. There's also incentive for a school to bend its policy for a star player.

CloakNNNdagger
06-25-2013, 11:47 AM
Aaron Hernandez could be the poster boy for a league-wide SEC drug policy (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/06/aaron_hernandez_could_be_the_p.html)

Sounds like the NFL.

NitroGSXR
06-25-2013, 12:53 PM
Probably...maybe...

Losing Welker, Gronk injured, and now Hernandez most likely out for 2013 and beyond...Captain Marvelous can only do so much without weapons.

They did fine without Captain Marvelous in 2008. It's Belichik that's the savior of the Patriots.

Playoffs
06-25-2013, 01:14 PM
Sounds like the NFL.

I found the lack of any standards across institutions disturbing, leaving each school/Coach(?) the discretion on post positive test procedures, testing frequency, testing labs.

I have to think the star QB may get a pass on 5 positive drug tests if there's a big game on the schedule? Didn't realize nothing is standardized. Call me jaded. :kitten:

Double Barrel
06-25-2013, 03:22 PM
They did fine without Captain Marvelous in 2008. It's Belichik that's the savior of the Patriots.

They did not make the playoffs in 2008.

For that reason alone, I have to disagree that they did fine for a championship dynasty. JMO

BTW, Belichick did not do much as a HC before Brady came along...

NitroGSXR
06-25-2013, 05:23 PM
They did not make the playoffs in 2008.

For that reason alone, I have to disagree that they did fine for a championship dynasty. JMO

BTW, Belichick did not do much as a HC before Brady came along...

Way to be disingenuous. They went 11-5! They were on the wrong end of a tiebreaker for the division championship.

thunderkyss
06-25-2013, 05:51 PM
Way to be disingenuous. They went 11-5! They were on the wrong end of a tiebreaker for the division championship.

The Texans (9-7) were on the wrong end of a tie breaker in 2009.... does that mean anything?

Double Barrel
06-25-2013, 05:55 PM
Way to be disingenuous. They went 11-5! They were on the wrong end of a tiebreaker for the division championship.

Yeah, Hall of Fame QB, three rings, records in many categories including come-from-behind wins, one of two QBs in league history with multiple SB MVPs and NFL MVPs...yeah, he had nothing to do with Belichick's success at NE. Riiiiiight.

And you want to blast me with disingenuous?? :rolleyes:

I shall refrain from the rest of my thoughts. Not worth it.

NitroGSXR
06-25-2013, 05:58 PM
Yeah, Hall of Fame QB, three rings, records in many categories including come-from-behind wins, one of two QBs in league history with multiple SB MVPs and NFL MVPs...yeah, he had nothing to do with Belichick's success at NE. Riiiiiight.

And you want to blast me with disingenuous?? :rolleyes:

I shall refrain from the rest of my thoughts. Not worth it.

What? I didn't say that Tom Brady had nothing to do with it. I'm saying that Belichick is the genious behind that Patroits engine. They have stars go down constantly including Tommy Boy yet the consistently rack up the wins. Missing the playoffs at 11-5 is an amazing feat in itself. The luck factor didn't fall their way.

NitroGSXR
06-25-2013, 05:59 PM
The Texans (9-7) were on the wrong end of a tie breaker in 2009.... does that mean anything?

Of course it doesn't. There's a big difference in being a top tier team at 11-5 and an average weak division team at 9-7. Huge difference to me.

thunderkyss
06-25-2013, 06:14 PM
Of course it doesn't. There's a big difference in being a top tier team at 11-5 and an average weak division team at 9-7. Huge difference to me.

They had about the same chance of accomplishing their goal that year.

None. Neither team had any chance to compete for a Super Bowl that year.

Double Barrel
06-25-2013, 06:22 PM
What? I didn't say that Tom Brady had nothing to do with it. I'm saying that Belichick is the genious behind that Patroits engine. They have stars go down constantly including Tommy Boy yet the consistently rack up the wins. Missing the playoffs at 11-5 is an amazing feat in itself. The luck factor didn't fall their way.

I see both Belichick and Brady as being instrumental to their dynasty. Not one over the other, but hand in glove. Like Bill Walsh/Joe Montana.

But if you want to separate, here is something for you to digest:

Belichick has amassed 187 regular season wins as a head coach. His teams have a record of 136-39 with Tom Brady as the starting quarterback. Without Brady, he's 51-65.

So for all Belichick's genius (and I am a big fan), has a losing record as HC without Tom Brady on the field.

And you do realize who was still on the team and mentoring Matt Cassel to be a better QB in 2008, yeah?

Learning from Tom Brady pays off for Matt Cassel

“Tom is a guy that has been a mentor to me since the day I walked into the league,” he said.

Rey
06-25-2013, 06:39 PM
To me belichick and Brady are like Phil and his stars. Obviously a great coach, but when you add a special player or two they both benefit and become better.

thunderkyss
06-25-2013, 07:17 PM
To me belichick and Brady are like Phil and his stars. Obviously a great coach, but when you add a special player or two they both benefit and become better.

I think it's difficult to separate the two. I don't think Brady would be "Brady" without Belichick & like DoubleBarrel says, Belichick wasn't that hot without Brady.

You see what Kubiak's done, would you think he's a "great" coach if Keenum turns into the next Brady?

CloakNNNdagger
06-25-2013, 07:57 PM
Judge impounds records in homicide probe near Hernandez home (http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/06/judge_impounds_records_in_homicide_probe_near_hern andez_home#sthash.gn2Iwz0C.dpuf)


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From PFT (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/25/hernandez-adds-another-lawyer-to-his-team/):

According to Nick Underhill of MassLive.com, Hernandez has hired Jamie Sultan, an experienced criminal defense lawyer whose experience fits Herndanez’s potential needs more closely than that of Michael Fee, the big-firm white-collar criminal defense specialist. Per Underhill, Sultan was seen leaving Hernandez’s home on Tuesday. Fee separately told Underhill that Sultan’s firm is serving as co-counsel.

Sultan, with an undergraduate degree from Yale and a law degree from Harvard, has more than 30 years experience defending clients against criminal charges and, as his online bio explains, “fend[ing] off charges against clients under investigation.”

For now, Hernandez needs some good fending. Eventually, he may need some good defending. Either way, Sultan’s experience suggests that he’s better equipped than Fee to handle the situation.

Playoffs
06-25-2013, 08:44 PM
Patriots’ Aaron Hernandez paid a visit by high-powered defense attorney James L. Sultan at home (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/high-powered-defense-lawyer-aaron-hernandez-home-article-1.1382456#ixzz2XHZng2Y1)

James L. Sultan, a prominent defense attorney, paid a visit to Hernandez's residence for about 30 minutes.

Sultan's profile on his firm's website noted that "some of his most recent successes include appellate reversals of first degree murder convictions." Those cases were in 2011 and 2012.

CloakNNNdagger
06-25-2013, 09:36 PM
Patriots’ Aaron Hernandez paid a visit by high-powered defense attorney James L. Sultan at home (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/high-powered-defense-lawyer-aaron-hernandez-home-article-1.1382456#ixzz2XHZng2Y1)

He didn't do so well a couple of months ago in the high profile case of

Dirk Greineder, convicted of murdering wife in Boston.

Playoffs
06-25-2013, 10:58 PM
Attorney of man suing Aaron Hernandez shares case details (http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22687538/2013/06/25/attorney-of-man-suing-aaron-hernandez-shares-case-details)

David Jaroslawicz says Alexander Bradley had been working as Hernandez's assistant when the two got into a fight outside a Florida strip club and Hernandez fired a gun at his face.

Police say Bradley originally said he didn't know who shot him, but then alleged that it was Hernandez.

The case was originally dropped because of a paperwork error, but Bradley re-filed the suit. Jaroslawicz says his client was left for dead and that Bradley didn't file the suit right away because he feared for his life.

"When you're running around with someone like Mr. Hernandez, I can understand why you wouldn't want to get the police involved unless necessary," said Jaroslawicz. "In addition of which when someone leaves you for dead, you may be afraid he may come finish the job."

Jaroslawicz claims Bradley and Hernandez went to a strip club and had some kind of dispute.

"The next thing he knew, Mr. Hernandez shot him on the side of the road," Jaroslawicz claimed.

JPPT1974
06-25-2013, 11:17 PM
Well he has not yet been questioned and has remained silent. Also the Pats told him not to come to practice over being a distraction, which is understandable.

Tailgate
06-26-2013, 07:48 AM
Just brought him out of the house in handcuffs...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNr-JW8CMAEx4sB.jpg

Rey
06-26-2013, 07:59 AM
Just brought him out of the house in handcuffs...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNr-JW8CMAEx4sB.jpg

Yep just heard on the radio. I wonder what he'll be charged with.

Tailgate
06-26-2013, 08:09 AM
Yep just heard on the radio. I wonder what he'll be charged with.

I guess we will hopefully hear something from the law now.

It almost seemed Hernandez was surprised when he opened up the door shirtless, and was immediately placed in cuffs. An act?

thunderkyss
06-26-2013, 08:32 AM
I guess we will hopefully hear something from the law now.

It almost seemed Hernandez was surprised when he opened up the door shirtless, and was immediately placed in cuffs. An act?

Personally I would have thought they would have contacted his lawyers first & given the opportunity to turn himself in.


I don't have a problem with them showing up & cuffing him like this, I just thought they'd have done it differently.

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2013, 08:34 AM
The 2010 Criminal Offender Record Information (CORI) Reform Act (http://www.massbar.org/publications/lawyers-journal/2012/april/a-primer-on-sealing-criminal-records)

Unlike many other states, Massachu-setts law does not provide for expungement, which is substantively different from sealing. Expungement essentially erases a criminal record, including police reports and arrest records, as if it never existed. On the other hand, simply getting a record sealed does not erase a record; it merely keeps it confidential on some level. In fact, an order to seal in Massachusetts applies only to court and probation records and does not affect records of arresting agencies.

We should find something out pretty soon.

ChampionTexan
06-26-2013, 08:51 AM
From Massachusetts State Police twitter account:

MASS STATE POLICE ‏@MassStatePolice

We are not releasing the charge against Hernandez until it is presented to the court. Again, he will be arraigned in Attleboro Court today

Rey
06-26-2013, 09:00 AM
I'm thinking it's going to be murder.

Going to be an interesting case.

Premier
06-26-2013, 09:26 AM
Patriots released Hernandez.

Tailgate
06-26-2013, 09:27 AM
I'm thinking it's going to be murder.

Going to be an interesting case.

YEP. Pats just released him. He is toast.

Has anyone else even been arrested?

Rey
06-26-2013, 09:29 AM
YEP. Pats just released him. He is toast.

Has anyone else even been arrested?

Yep...I just heard...

I think dude is going to go away for a long time one way or the other...

Rock N Randy
06-26-2013, 09:39 AM
This is crazy
Such a good player
Can't believe he got himself in this position
If he gets out of this with no jail time
One team will get a heck of a player

ArlingtonTexan
06-26-2013, 09:41 AM
Patriots released Hernandez.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

Thorn
06-26-2013, 09:52 AM
The man is a thug and shouldn't be in a position to be idolized by young kids anyway.

Good riddance is all I have to say.

Tailgate
06-26-2013, 09:56 AM
@profootballtalk Source with direct knowledge of Hernandez situation tells us: "Assume the worst."

NitroGSXR
06-26-2013, 10:31 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/946225_10200749465012860_818536553_n.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2013, 10:47 AM
Hernandez became a father to a daughter on Nov. 6, and he said it made him think.

"I'm engaged now and I have a baby. So it's just going to make me think of life a lot differently and doing things the right way," he said. "Now, another one is looking up to me. I can't just be young and reckless Aaron no more. I'm going to try to do the right things, become a good father and (have her) be raised like I was raised."

The loss of Hernandez deprives the Patriots of the second half of one of the league's best tight end tandems. Fellow Pro Bowl selection Rob Gronkowski has had five operations this offseason on his back and broken left forearm.

Hernandez was chosen for the Pro Bowl in 2011, when he caught 79 passes for 910 yards and seven touchdowns. He missed 10 games last season with an ankle injury.

In 38 games over his three NFL seasons, the 6-foot-1, 245-pound Hernandez has 175 receptions for 1,956 yards and 18 touchdowns. Last summer, the Patriots gave Hernandez a five-year contract worth $41 million just months after the team locked up Gronkowski through 2019.

"Aaron's improved a lot," Patriots coach Bill Belichick said at the time. "He's worked hard, he's improved a lot in all phases of the game - the passing game, the running game, protection and his overall versatility. He's doing a good job for us."

Despite the size that makes him a capable blocker, Hernandez has the speed and moves of a wide receiver and is elusive after making a catch.

Born in Bristol, Conn., Hernandez played at Bristol High School before attending Florida, where he won the John Mackey Award as the nation's best tight end as a junior in 2009. He was college teammates with two current Patriots - quarterback Tim Tebow and linebacker Brandon Spikes on the team that won the national championship in 2009.

Hernandez had shoulder surgery in April, but was expected to be ready for training camp. The Patriots have not said which shoulder was operated on.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/26/3471340/pats-release-hernandez-in-homicide.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/26/3471340/pats-release-hernandez-in-homicide.html#storylink=cpy)

My professional opinion: He will have enough time to heal without being rushed onto the field again. (big sarcastic smiley)

robroy72
06-26-2013, 11:18 AM
Do the Pats "pop a cap" hit by releasing him?

HOU-TEX
06-26-2013, 11:23 AM
Do the Pats "pop a cap" hit by releasing him?

Over 7 million cap hit, I think

IDEXAN
06-26-2013, 11:35 AM
No matter what's going on here, does anybody really have any doubt that
Hernandez is starting the season opener and playing the whole year in NE ?
Any legal problems will be shoved into the 2013-14 offseason.
On second thought ...............

fiasco west
06-26-2013, 12:59 PM
Wow...what will the Pats do at TE (such a important position for them.) now?

Move up a practice squad player and keep rolling along?

HOU-TEX
06-26-2013, 01:44 PM
He gone!!

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 3m
Aaron Hernandez has been charged with murder

Andrew Siciliano ‏@AndrewSiciliano 4m
Aaron Hernandez charged with murder among 6 charges.

The Boston Globe ‏@BostonGlobe 4m
BREAKING NEWS: Former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez faces murder and other charges. Hernandez arraigned in Attleboro District...

PapaL
06-26-2013, 01:59 PM
http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy88/papalrodz/3uxg55.jpg


http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy88/papalrodz/1-4.png

Tailgate
06-26-2013, 02:01 PM
The amount of details they have are staggering. Its almost as if this dude WANTED to get caught.

Porky
06-26-2013, 02:11 PM
I just saw he was charged with murder. Wow. The NFL cannot be happy at all with one of it's star players being charged with murder. This goes well beyond the Ray Lewis type incident.

Has there been another currently active player charged with murder in the modern era? I can't think of any although a bunch have gotten into legal hot water.

If by some miracle, he is acquitted, his NFL career is toast. At the moment, I suspect he has bigger fish to fry.

As for the Pats, they rely on the TE so much it's not funny. Now one of their two main cogs is up on murder charges, and the other one is injured. Mr. Brady cannot be too happy. I do know this though - BB will make adjustments. That's part of what makes him a great coach. He won't try to fit a round peg into a square hole. Brady will make adjustments too. And they may not be a SB team this year, but they'll find a way to be good. They always do.

The Pencil Neck
06-26-2013, 02:11 PM
wow...what will the pats do at te (such a important position for them.) now?

Move up a practice squad player and keep rolling along?

tebow time!

jaayteetx
06-26-2013, 02:19 PM
I just saw he was charged with murder. Wow. The NFL cannot be happy at all with one of it's star players being charged with murder. This goes well beyond the Ray Lewis type incident.

Has there been another currently active player charged with murder in the modern era? I can't think of any although a bunch have gotten into legal hot water.

If by some miracle, he is acquitted, his NFL career is toast. At the moment, I suspect he has bigger fish to fry.

As for the Pats, they rely on the TE so much it's not funny. Now one of their two main cogs is up on murder charges, and the other one is injured. Mr. Brady cannot be too happy. I do know this though - BB will make adjustments. That's part of what makes him a great coach. He won't try to fit a round peg into a square hole. Brady will make adjustments too. And they may not be a SB team this year, but they'll find a way to be good. They always do.

Ray Carruth, total scumbag, Carolina Panthers.

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2013, 02:37 PM
Strike one for his notorious attorney.


From USA TODAY:

Judge Daniel J. O'Shea ordered that Hernandez be held without bail despite attorney Michael Fee's argument that Hernandez is not a flight risk.

HOU-TEX
06-26-2013, 02:48 PM
Maybe I've missed it, but has anyone read the details of the murder? They're saying it was an execution type murder? How was the guy murdered to make it execution style?

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2013, 02:53 PM
Maybe I've missed it, but has anyone read the details of the murder? They're saying it was an execution type murder? How was the guy murdered to make it execution style?

Reported to the back of the head.

The Pencil Neck
06-26-2013, 02:58 PM
Ray Carruth, total scumbag, Carolina Panthers.

Carruth was Conspiracy To Commit Murder. He didn't actually pull the trigger, but he ordered a guy to do it and stopped the car so the guy could do it.

And apparently all because the woman wouldn't get an abortion.

Tailgate
06-26-2013, 02:59 PM
Maybe I've missed it, but has anyone read the details of the murder? They're saying it was an execution type murder? How was the guy murdered to make it execution style?

From listening to hearing, there were multiple gunshot wounds, and the victim was turned in a defensive posture, and was alive and left for dead. Dont quote me...

ChampionTexan
06-26-2013, 03:01 PM
Carruth was Conspiracy To Commit Murder. He didn't actually pull the trigger, but he ordered a guy to do it and stopped the car so the guy could do it.

And apparently all because the woman wouldn't get an abortion.

I guess he was unwilling to deal with the overwhelming stigma that fathering a child out of wedlock imposes upon high-profile professional athletes in today's society. :kitten:

Rey
06-26-2013, 03:02 PM
Strike one for his notorious attorney.


From USA TODAY:

Wow.

That's kind of a big deal.

The Pencil Neck
06-26-2013, 03:02 PM
Maybe I've missed it, but has anyone read the details of the murder? They're saying it was an execution type murder? How was the guy murdered to make it execution style?

"Execution Style" usually means the victim was defenseless, frequently bound in some way, and shot at close range... usually to the head.

I don't know about MA but "execution style" murders frequently trigger a death penalty situation.

The Pencil Neck
06-26-2013, 03:03 PM
I guess he was unwilling to deal with the overwhelming stigma that fathering a child out of wedlock imposes upon high-profile professional athletes in today's society. :kitten:

Yes.

Much, much better to be a murderer.

:thinking:

Waitasecond...

powda
06-26-2013, 03:04 PM
http://i.imgur.com/n3zWOlB.jpg

ChampionTexan
06-26-2013, 03:05 PM
"Execution Style" usually means the victim was defenseless, frequently bound in some way, and shot at close range... usually to the head.

I don't know about MA but "execution style" murders frequently trigger a death penalty situation.

No death penalty in Mass.

Playoffs
06-26-2013, 03:12 PM
Not a funny situation, but.....

http://imageshack.us/a/img594/3896/9bq.gif

Rey
06-26-2013, 03:12 PM
I don't understand why Hernandez would kill someone or dump a body so close to his house...

That's just weird.

Doppelganger
06-26-2013, 03:27 PM
Wow...what will the Pats do at TE (such a important position for them.) now?

Move up a practice squad player and keep rolling along?

Time to Drop this Zero

http://ronewiznation.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/aaron-hernandez-arrested.jpg?w=630&amph=502

And Get with a Hero!!!

http://www.celebitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/wenn3729706.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2013, 03:30 PM
"Execution Style" usually means the victim was defenseless, frequently bound in some way, and shot at close range... usually to the head.

I don't know about MA but "execution style" murders frequently trigger a death penalty situation.


One of many reports:
Hernandez, 23, has been at the center of the investigation since the body of Lloyd, a 27-year-old semi-pro football player, was found shot in the back of the head Monday in an industrial park near Hernandez's home in North Attleborough.LINK (http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9409326/aaron-hernandez-new-england-patriots-seen-olin-lloyd-surveillance-video-reports-abc-news)

..............back of the head.......classic "execution style."

TexansBlood
06-26-2013, 03:36 PM
I don't understand why Hernandez would kill someone or dump a body so close to his house...

That's just weird.

Im sure all parties involved were high or drunk after leaving the club. Altercation arose and the thugs didnt hesitate to take his life away. Im sure the next morning once he sobered up he knew he fkd up..

Tailgate
06-26-2013, 03:41 PM
One of many reports:
LINK (http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9409326/aaron-hernandez-new-england-patriots-seen-olin-lloyd-surveillance-video-reports-abc-news)

..............back of the head.......classic "execution style."



@WesleyLowery To be clear: DA's saying #hernandez shot Lloyd three times right after Lloyd got out of the car. Then stood over him & put two in his chest.

Playoffs
06-26-2013, 03:41 PM
I don't understand why Hernandez would kill someone or dump a body so close to his house...

That's just weird.

He felt he was above the law.

He had shot another man in the face just months earlier with zero repercussions whatsoever.

He was ignorant to how many video cameras document your whereabouts theses days.

He was confidant his fellow gangsters would never snitch.

He was in a rage.

Gangsters aren't typically accused of being smart -- prisons are filled with them. Prisons are also full of murderers who thought they could out think the cops/courts/law and get away with it, too. Tall task.

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2013, 03:44 PM
"Execution Style" usually means the victim was defenseless, frequently bound in some way, and shot at close range... usually to the head.

I don't know about MA but "execution style" murders frequently trigger a death penalty situation.

No death penalty in Mass.


Hernandez's bad luck may only be the beginning!:choke:

April 23 2013 7:13 PM

The Boston Marathon bombings prompted a group of state legislators to introduce a bill Tuesday to reinstate the death penalty in Massachusetts, which abolished it in 1984.

According to the Boston Globe, the bipartisan group said that as a response to crime last week, the commonwealth of Massachusetts should again have the option to execute prisoners. The rest of the story (http://www.ibtimes.com/massachusetts-reconsiders-death-penalty-following-boston-marathon-bombings-1211863)

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2013, 03:48 PM
@WesleyLowery To be clear: DA's saying #hernandez shot Lloyd three times right after Lloyd got out of the car. Then stood over him & put two in his chest.

Thanks. This is the first time they are reporting this........other reports to date then must be invalid.

Wonder if he shot him in back of the head........he fell down face up and then shot him twice more in the chest? The police may have kept back the other info till now in case they had legitimate witnesses to fully describe the events.

chicagotexan2
06-26-2013, 03:55 PM
Hernandez isn't an athlete that got caught up in a bad situation because of the bad company he kept. This fool is every bit the scumbag thug his friends are except this clown was a pro athlete worth millions. Now he'll be just like those bumbs too. Broke and doing time.

The1ApplePie
06-26-2013, 03:58 PM
The victim had Hernandez's car keys in his pocket
http://deadspin.com/prosecutor-aaron-hernandez-orchestrated-the-execution-588065097

Evil moron

gwallaia
06-26-2013, 04:00 PM
Going to prison as a Tight End... He's about to leave as a Wide Receiver...

I saw this comment on one of the news message boards.

:wheel:

Doppelganger
06-26-2013, 04:01 PM
I just saw he was charged with murder. Wow. The NFL cannot be happy at all with one of it's star players being charged with murder. This goes well beyond the Ray Lewis type incident.

Has there been another currently active player charged with murder in the modern era? I can't think of any although a bunch have gotten into legal hot water.

If by some miracle, he is acquitted, his NFL career is toast. At the moment, I suspect he has bigger fish to fry.

As for the Pats, they rely on the TE so much it's not funny. Now one of their two main cogs is up on murder charges, and the other one is injured. Mr. Brady cannot be too happy. I do know this though - BB will make adjustments. That's part of what makes him a great coach. He won't try to fit a round peg into a square hole. Brady will make adjustments too. And they may not be a SB team this year, but they'll find a way to be good. They always do.

Agreed. He was also a prominent Hispanic superstar player in a league with very few of them. I am sure the NFL wanted to sell him and Victor Cruz as two Hispanic Superstars to increase the interest level within that community. Losing Hernandez is a big blow in that effort.

The Pencil Neck
06-26-2013, 04:20 PM
The victim had Hernandez's car keys in his pocket
http://deadspin.com/prosecutor-aaron-hernandez-orchestrated-the-execution-588065097

Evil moron

Wow.

MSR.

Just wow.

Tailgate
06-26-2013, 04:27 PM
So essentially this dude who just had a baby and just signed a 40 million contract to further his career in the NFL... Threw it all away by murdering a dude because he was communicating w/ group he had "beef" with?? Its really hard to understand.

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2013, 04:33 PM
From PFT:

The presentation of evidence from prosecutor Bill McCauley at Wednesday’s arraignment was confusing on at least one point: The whereabouts of the two men who allegedly were in the car on the evening in question with Hernandez and Odin Lloyd.

At one point, it seemed that the authorities had obtained cooperation from one or both men, given McCauley’s summary of the conversation that occurred in the car, when Hernandez said he couldn’t “trust” anyone. At another point, it seemed that the two other men are still at large.

Meanwhile, we still don’t know who they are, and their names were not disclosed in court.

So they’re either cooperating with police, which is very bad for Hernandez. Or they are on the loose, which could be very bad for everyone else.

ChampionTexan
06-26-2013, 04:34 PM
Hernandez's bad luck may only be the beginning!:choke:

The rest of the story (http://www.ibtimes.com/massachusetts-reconsiders-death-penalty-following-boston-marathon-bombings-1211863)

From later in that same article:

Ultimately, however, the Massachusetts House of Representatives voted to shelve the bill 119-38, according to the Associated Press. Instead, the proposal will be sent to a committee for further review and study.

And while I don't pretend to know the specifics, my guess is that even if something ultimately passes, there's a chance it won't apply to any crimes committed prior to that passing.

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2013, 04:46 PM
From later in that same article:



And while I don't pretend to know the specifics, my guess is that even if something ultimately passes, there's a chance it won't apply to any crimes committed prior to that passing.

You may be correct about the latter, but I could swear that I followed a case with this same scenario, and the death penalty was entertained since the verdict was not in until the law changed. Would like to hear how it works from an attorney here?

infantrycak
06-26-2013, 04:51 PM
You may be correct about the latter, but I could swear that I followed a case with this same scenario, and the death penalty was entertained since the verdict was not in until the law changed. Would like to hear how it works from an attorney here?

It pretty much works as the legislature chooses to implement so they could say pending cases in which trial has not begun or as of the date of passage or at some specified future date. I do not think they could apply it to cases in which trial has already started. However there would be challenges about a change in law after the act to a harsher punishment is fundamentally unfair.

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2013, 04:54 PM
Lots of details, including video.

Murder charge for Aaron Hernandez (http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9424056/aaron-hernandez-new-england-patriots-arrested)

Playoffs
06-26-2013, 05:06 PM
Arraignment video ..... best for audio only:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TENA8DauYvA

2012Champs
06-26-2013, 05:14 PM
I keep seeing video on sports center of him in cuffs after being arrested, going into jail, the court room and he just seems meh about it. Maybe I'm a ***** but I'd be pretty upset if I was in that spot

robroy72
06-26-2013, 05:25 PM
Lots of details, including video.

Murder charge for Aaron Hernandez (http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9424056/aaron-hernandez-new-england-patriots-arrested)

Wow .. he should have got a throwaway phone, amazing how much of the evidence is linked to cell tower positioning.

Playoffs
06-26-2013, 05:29 PM
So, who are these two guys who were hanging around Ahern's house after the murder???

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNtpCn4CAAA5Eal.jpg

chicagotexan2
06-26-2013, 06:16 PM
Agreed. He was also a prominent Hispanic superstar player in a league with very few of them. I am sure the NFL wanted to sell him and Victor Cruz as two Hispanic Superstars to increase the interest level within that community. Losing Hernandez is a big blow in that effort.

I guess we'll just have to hold on to tony Gonzalez when we think of a great nfl TE.

b0ng
06-26-2013, 06:54 PM
Murder 1 is a pretty tough charge to get to stick but it sounds like they have a staggering amount of evidence pointing Hernandez as the trigger man and that he planned this killing.

Makes Rae Carruth look like a criminal mastermind.

Blake
06-26-2013, 07:25 PM
Well the Patriots finally had one of these questionable personnel moves blow up in their faces in a pretty bad way.

Blake
06-26-2013, 07:27 PM
Personally I would have thought they would have contacted his lawyers first & given the opportunity to turn himself in.


I don't have a problem with them showing up & cuffing him like this, I just thought they'd have done it differently.

I hear he smashed his home phone and fax machine. Thats probably why they had to come get him.

gg no re
06-26-2013, 07:28 PM
I guess we'll just have to hold on to tony Gonzalez when we think of a great nfl TE.
there's a Mark Sanchez joke somewhere there.

eh whatever

http://bminusblogs.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/sanchez-fumble.gif

BullNation4Life
06-26-2013, 07:42 PM
What a stupid,motarded SOB..

Hernandez is lucky he didn't do this in Texas, if convicted he would be headed to death row...

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2013, 07:47 PM
Lots of details, including video.

Murder charge for Aaron Hernandez (http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9424056/aaron-hernandez-new-england-patriots-arrested)


In arguing unsuccessfully for bail, Hernandez's attorney said the athlete is unlikely to flee, is a homeowner, and lives with his fiance and an 8-month-old baby. He also said Hernandez had never been accused of a violent crime.

He needs another attorney that can keep his s%*t straight.:cool:

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2013, 07:52 PM
From PFT:

On Wednesday, a judge decided to hold Aaron Hernandez without bail pending further proceedings in his murder case.

Those further proceedings could happen as soon as Thursday.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Hernandez will appeal the initial decision via a hearing to be held this week.

In 2000, a judge in Georgia initially decided to hold former Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis without bail after he was charged with murder. Less than two weeks later, Lewis was released on $1 million bail.

For Hernandez, the key question is whether he presents a flight risk. Apart from the modern techniques for digitally monitoring his whereabouts, the media has been staked out at his North Attleboro home on a round-the-clock basis. It’s unlikely, however, that the media presence will continue through the trial of the case, which could happen at some point in early 2014.

ArlingtonTexan
06-26-2013, 08:05 PM
In arguing unsuccessfully for bail, Hernandez's attorney said the athlete is unlikely to flee, is a homeowner, and lives with his fiance and an 8-month-old baby. He also said Hernandez had never been accused of a violent crime.

He needs another attorney that can keep his s%*t straight.:cool:

Any dude with bunches of money is a flight risk..and if you truly give damn about your family you can find away not to be involved with bs like this

Playoffs
06-26-2013, 08:37 PM
Hernandez fails the Twitter IQ Test for bangers...

http://wac.9ebf.edgecastcdn.net/809EBF/ec-origin.boston.barstoolsports.com/files/2013/06/Screen-shot-2013-06-26-at-6.54.42-PM-480x481.png

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2013, 08:59 PM
Notice, no teammate has made any supportive comments in his behalf? Sounds like a teammate that would endear himself so much to others. :kitten:

Aaron Hernandez once told Wes Welker "F--- you Wes, I'll f--- you up!" (http://profootballzone.com/nfl/aaron-hernandez-once-told-wes-welker-f-you-wes-ill-f-you-up/)

According to the Boston Globe, during Aaron Hernandez’s rookie year he was having a hard time watching film and asked Wes Welker for some help.

Welked then replied by saying, “Rookie, you figure it out.”

That’s when Hernandez blew up and said, ”F— you Wes, I’ll f— you up!”

According to Shalise Manza Young of the Globe, Hernandez was serious and wasn’t playing around.

While this may not seem like a big deal to some people, it can be seen as a warning sign for someone with some serious anger problems.

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2013, 09:13 PM
After I heard all the available details of stupidity involved in committing crime, I couldn't help thinking of the book I read and movie I saw years ago.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_k07pirzBU34/TN8SRUyCZ_I/AAAAAAAAGUg/W7equTVwll8/s400/gangthatcouldn%2527t.jpg

Playoffs
06-26-2013, 09:18 PM
Former New England Patriots player Aaron Hernandez executed his acquaintance Odin L. Lloyd because Hernandez was upset that Lloyd had spoken at a Boston nightclub on June 14 with people Hernandez “had troubles with,” a prosecutor alleged today.

In a dramatic hearing in Attleboro District Court, the prosecutor said that surveillance videos in Boston, in North Attleborough, and even in Hernandez’s own home linked him to the slaying several days later of Lloyd.

Lloyd was shot five times in a North Attleborough industrial park not far from Hernandez’s home. He raised his arm as he lay on the ground, in a desperate attempt to fend off the bullets, Bristol County prosecutor William McCauley said.

The prosecutor said Hernandez, who was accompanied by two men, had the means, motive, and opportunity to kill Lloyd and had been the prime mover in the crime. “He orchestrated his execution,’’ McCauley said. The prosecutor said Hernandez had spoken of no longer trusting Lloyd.

The identity of Hernandez’s two confederates was not disclosed at Hernandez’s arraignment.
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McCauley said Hernandez summoned his two friends, then drove to Fayston Street in Boston’s Dorchester section early on the morning of Monday, June 17, where Lloyd, a 27-year-old semipro football player, left his home, got in the car, and then rode south to North Attleborough.

Along the way, Lloyd alerted relatives in a text message, asking them, “Did you see who I am with?” After they asked who, he replied cryptically, “NFL,” the prosecutor said.

“Just so you know,’’ Lloyd added. It was the last text message he sent before he died, McCauley said.

Surveillance cameras in the North Attleborough industrial park where Lloyd was murdered captured the men arriving in the same silver Nissan that Lloyd had gotten into in Dorchester, the prosecutor said.

Once near a wooded area, Lloyd started climbing out of the car, and was shot once, which knocked him to the ground. As he lay there, he raised his arm and was shot multiple times. Five spent .45-caliber spent shell casings were later recovered, McCauley said.

When Hernandez returned home around 3:30 a.m. Monday, surveillance video at his house showed him walking through his house holding a pistol in his hand, the prosecutor said.http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/06/26/aaron-hernandez-taken-away-from-his-home-handcuffs-state-police-charges-not-yet-known/wK61wqDS7zOjYdOHIpq80O/story.html

2012Champs
06-26-2013, 09:22 PM
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/06/26/aaron-hernandez-taken-away-from-his-home-handcuffs-state-police-charges-not-yet-known/wK61wqDS7zOjYdOHIpq80O/story.html

That's not good. The only thing I heard on the radio over and over again was that they didn't have the weapon but I don't think you need a weapon for a conviction. It will be interesting how it plays out

2012Champs
06-26-2013, 09:32 PM
Prosecutors believe they have a CRUCIAL piece of evidence that proves Aaron Hernandez murdered Odin Lloyd ... and the proof tastes like cotton candy.

As Aaron stood shackled in a Massachusetts courtroom moments ago, prosecutors spelled out their case against the former New England Patriots player.

During the hearing, prosecutors say they can prove Hernandez stopped at a gas station hours before the murder and purchased gas, cigarettes and BLUE COTTON CANDY FLAVORED BUBBLICIOUS BUBBLE GUM.

After Odin was murdered, investigators say they found a shell casing in his rental car that matched the caliber of the bullet used to kill the 27-year-old ... and next to the casing -- A CHEWED PIECE OF BLUE COTTON CANDY FLAVORED BUBBLICIOUS BUBBLE GUM.

Officials believe the gum places Hernandez at the scene of the crime -- and proves he killed Odin.

Hernandez has entered a not guilty plea.



Wonder if there is DNA in the bubblicous

chicagotexan2
06-26-2013, 09:54 PM
Wonder if there is DNA in the bubblicous

Wonder if Aaron is gonna change his name in prison to Bootylicious?

The nfl network should have a show of its top 100 idiotic players of all time. Hernandez would be top 3 for sure.

Nawzer
06-26-2013, 09:55 PM
Wonder if there is DNA in the bubblicous

There should be DNA everywhere. From what it sounds like he didn't really care about being caught or didn't think it through too much. He certainly looked like a person who didn't care during his hearing today.

chicagotexan2
06-26-2013, 09:57 PM
There should be DNA everywhere. From what it sounds like he didn't really care about being caught or didn't think it through too much. He certainly looked like a person who didn't care during his hearing today.

Youre right. but I think he was stoic because he probably knows he's done.

chicagotexan2
06-26-2013, 09:59 PM
Did I miss it in this thread and news but where are the other guys that were with him? On they are the lamb? Are they cooperating with the cops?

chicagotexan2
06-26-2013, 10:06 PM
there's a Mark Sanchez joke somewhere there.

eh whatever

http://bminusblogs.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/sanchez-fumble.gif

Warning!!!!! Seriously!!!!! Here's a strange video of Sanchez prancing around with two chicks and he's showing is a$$. You've been warned.

http://youtu.be/glgGfnbwNvU