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Playoffs
07-24-2013, 01:52 PM
Hernandez's fan arrived at the courthouse.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BP9Mj9lCUAArYwR.jpg

JPPT1974
07-24-2013, 02:42 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50151056n

He nearly walked off the set over the question you know!

Playoffs
07-24-2013, 02:54 PM
Probable cause hearing continued until August 22, 2:00PM under defense objection.

Media request for release of more files/information granted.

Playoffs
07-24-2013, 03:13 PM
Belichick transcript
"I’m going to address the situation involving Aaron Hernandez today" Belichick said. "I thought that it was important enough to do that prior to the start of camp. It’s a sad day, really a sad day, on so many levels. Our thoughts and prayers are with the family of the victim. I send my sympathy really to everyone who has been impacted. A young man lost his life. His family has suffered a tragic loss, and there’s no way to understate that.

"When I was out of the country, I learned about the ongoing criminal investigation that involved one of our players, and I and other members of the organization were shocked and disappointed at what we had learned. Having someone in your organization that’s involved in a murder investigation is a terrible thing. After consultation with ownership, we acted swiftly and decisively. Robert and his family and I, since I got here in 2000, have always emphasized the need for our team and our players and our organization to represent the community the right way, both on and off the field. We’ve worked very hard together over the past 14 years to put together a winning team that is a pillar in the community, and I agree 100 percent with that, the comments that Robert has already made on the situation. I stand behind those as well.

"This case involves an individual who happened to be a New England Patriot. We certainly do not condone unacceptable behavior, and this does not in any way represent the way that the New England Patriots want to do things. As the coach of the team, I’m primarily responsible for the people that we bring into the football operations. Our players are generally highly motivated and gifted athletes. They come from very different backgrounds. They’ve met many challenges along the way and have done things to get here. Sometimes, they’ve made bad or immature decisions, but we try to look at every single situation on a case-by-case basis and try to do what’s best for the football team and what’s best for the franchise. Most of those decisions have worked out, but some don’t.

"Overall, I’m proud of the hundreds of players that have come through this program, but I’m personally disappointed and hurt in a situation like this. You know, as far as the whole process goes, I can tell you that we look at every player’s history from the moment we start discussing it, going back to his family, where he grew up, what his lifestyle was like, high school, college experiences. We evaluate the performance, intelligence, his work ethic, his motivation, his maturity, his improvement, and we try to project that into our organization on a going-forward basis. It combines a player’s personal history, but it also has to project what we think and how we think he will be in our environment.

"Obviously, this process is far from perfect, but it’s one that we’ve used from 2000 until today. And unfortunately, this most recent situation with the charges that are involved are not a good one on that record. But we’ll continue to evaluate the way we do things and the way we evaluate our players. We do it on a regular basis, not just at the beginning when they come in. We do it on a regular basis. Personally, I’m challenged by the decisions that affect the team on a daily basis, and I’m not perfect on that, either, but I always try to do what I think is best for the football team.

"We spent a considerable amount of time evaluating our current players and educating them on, not only football, but many other life experiences and off-field subjects. We stress high character, and we stress making good decisions. We’ll continue to do this, and we’ll work to do a better job of it as we go forward. We’ll learn from this terrible experience that we’ve had. We’ll become a better team from the lessons that we’ve learned. We have so many players on this team that work hard, that do the right thing, and have set a great example of being a professional and being a solid representative of this team and the community.

"I know that there are a lot of questions, fair questions, about this subject and related subjects. I’m not trying to make the story disappear, but I respect the judicial process and have been advised not to comment on ongoing legal proceedings. I’m advising our players to do the same thing. We’ve got a system in justice that deals with criminal charges, and ultimately the judge and the jury will determine the accountability. My comments are certainly not in proportion to the unfortunate and sad situation that we have here.

"I’ve been advsised to address the subject once, and it’s time for the New England Patriots to move forward. Moving forward consists of what it’s always been here -- to build a winning football team, be a strong pillar in the community and be a team that our fans will be proud of. That’s where we are."http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/the_blitz/2013/07/belichick_hernandez_situation_certainly_does_not_i n_any_way#sthash.xHoKwsWA.dpuf

Tailgate
07-24-2013, 07:54 PM
Hernandez's fan arrived at the courthouse.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BP9Mj9lCUAArYwR.jpg

Bet this cat is a riot to rap with.

CloakNNNdagger
07-25-2013, 06:37 PM
Feds could get involved in Hernandez case, and death penalty could be in play


Every time it looks like it has gotten as bad as it can ever get for Aaron Hernandez, it finds a way to get a little worse.

With a grand jury in Bristol County, Massachusetts considering whether to indict Hernandez for the June 2013 murder of Odin Lloyd and a grand jury in Suffolk County, Massachusetts reportedly considering whether to indict Hernandez for the July 2012 murder of Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu, attorney Jack Furlong explained during Wednesday’s edition of Pro Football Talk on NBCSN that the feds could still get involved in this one — and that Hernandez ultimately could be facing the death penalty.

“If this was a murder of a witness or someone who knew something about the earlier murder, then this case becomes potentially a death penalty case and a federal proceeding,” Furlong explained regarding the killing of Odin Lloyd, who reportedly may have known something about Hernandez’s involvement in the double murder. ”Remember, Massachusetts does not have the death penalty. The United States government does. . . . This case . . . went across state lines repeatedly between Florida, Connecticut and Massachusetts. It could go federal in a heartbeat.”

HLN is reporting that the evidence just released includes heretofore never seen surveilance photos that show Hernandez returning to his home AFTER the murder with the two other men that show that Hernandez is carrying a .45 caliber gun. (supposedly the copies released to the media are markedly less clear than the tape) Furthermore, they have more damning evidence linking the Lloyd murder to the previous other murders has also for the first time been released. It is said to supply information that Lloyd learned of Hernandez involvement of these other murders and became a definite risk for spilling the beans.

More:

Newly released photos allegedly show Hernandez with gun (http://www.patriotledger.com/news/x1815314262/Newly-released-photos-allegedly-show-Hernandez-with-gun#ixzz2a62ZL2BG)

Playoffs
07-25-2013, 11:29 PM
Be nice to have a fallback w/Feds if they can connect the dots.

CloakNNNdagger
07-25-2013, 11:31 PM
More info from the released documents.

Newly released surveillance images appear to show Hernandez holding gun (http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22934537/2013/07/25/hernandez-apparently-holding-gun-in-surveillance-images-released#ixzz2a7PrkSCY)

Playoffs
07-25-2013, 11:50 PM
More info from the released documents.

Newly released surveillance images appear to show Hernandez holding gun (http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22934537/2013/07/25/hernandez-apparently-holding-gun-in-surveillance-images-released#ixzz2a7PrkSCY)
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Coolhandsluke2
07-26-2013, 10:48 AM
If the feds get involved and put death penalty on the table does that mean he would serve his time in one of those federal Country Club prisons? Would they send him to guantanamo lol? Is there something in between those two extremes for federal prisoners?

Edit: Answered my own question via google and realized how dumb it was. Federal Penitentiary's are no joke

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk 2

paycheck71
07-26-2013, 11:00 AM
If the feds get involved and put death penalty on the table does that mean he would serve his time in one of those federal Country Club prisons? Would they send him to guantanamo lol? Is there something in between those two extremes for federal prisoners?

Edit: Answered my own question via google and realized how dumb it was. Federal Penitentiary's are no joke

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk 2

I've heard there are also federal "Pound You in the A$$" prisons. How do they decide where to send you? :)

chicagotexan2
07-26-2013, 07:47 PM
Hernandez's fan arrived at the courthouse.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BP9Mj9lCUAArYwR.jpg

Looks like the dope that got his hand blown off by Creasy bear in Man on Fire.

CloakNNNdagger
07-26-2013, 08:21 PM
Looks like the dope that got his hand blown off by Creasy bear in Man on Fire.

Trim the hair, put the cap on..backwards...........:kitten:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1394326.1373413498!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/hernandez-connecticut.jpg


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Playoffs
07-28-2013, 10:47 AM
The prosecutor also revealed today that Hernandez financially supported Wallace before Lloyd’s murder — providing him with food, housing, and a car — and that Hernandez continues to support his friend since both have been arrested.

Wallace defense attorney David Meier declined comment today when asked if Hernandez is paying Wallace’s legal bills.

Wallace...has a criminal history dating back more than 20 years.
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/07/26/ernest-wallace-ally-aaron-hernandez-held-cash-bail/zlwPtqQBwBBSPYESU6A1zO/story.html

CloakNNNdagger
08-01-2013, 10:33 PM
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/08/01/0801-aaron-hernandez-jail-letter-not-guilty-article-tmz-blurry-3.jpg

CLICK HERE TO READ THE LETTER (http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0801_aaron_hernandez_letter.pdf)

Evidently, LOVE at first............:heart:

FOR THE REST OF THE STORY (http://www.tmz.com/2013/08/01/aaron-hernandez-jail-letter-not-guilty-god/)

Playoffs
08-01-2013, 10:48 PM
Delusional narcissistic sociopath.

thunderkyss
08-04-2013, 05:04 PM
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I admit I am no criminal mastermind, or murdering sociopath. But I've seen a lot of movies (I've got Netflix).... but I don't think that's the way you're supposed to hold a gun.


A little off topic (http://www.jetnation.com/2013/06/28/hernandez-contract-clause-could-cause-bonus-forfeiture-and-the-financial-ramifications-of-his-release/)......

Hernandez signed the extension in late August 2012 but is now part of an investigation regarding a double homicide which took place in July 2012. If Hernandez is convicted in any way of having involvement in this crime, which took place before the signing of his extension, he could be in violation of the above clause. This could allow the Patriots rights to recoup the entire $12.5 million signing bonus since Hernandez knew of this July 2012 crime and it could prevent him from being “available” for the entire contract. Therefore a forfeitable breach would have occurred upon signing. As of now the Patriots have paid $9.25 million of the signing bonus, with the remaining $3.25 million payment due in March 2014.

Signing bonuses are prorated or spread out evenly over the life of a contract up to a maximum of five years. So Hernandez’s total signing bonus, $12.5 million, counted $2.5 million on the 2012,13,14,15 and 16 salary caps. Under CBA forfeiture rules past season salary or prorated money cannot be forfeited, so even if still under contract the Patriots could not get back the 2012 base or prorated monies without a violation of the above mentioned clause.

The 2013 and 14 guaranteed base salaries ($2.46 million total) accelerates onto the 2013 cap, $2.55 million in prorated signing bonus and an $82,000 (2013) workout bonus, payable August first according to Corry, gets added up. The Patriots take a dead money salary cap hit for Hernandez of $5.092 million this year and $7.5 million in 2014 (prorated signing bonus $2.5 million 2014,15 and 16 accelerates, gets added, on to the 2014 cap).

The Pencil Neck
08-04-2013, 05:56 PM
I admit I am no criminal mastermind, or murdering sociopath. But I've seen a lot of movies (I've got Netflix).... but I don't think that's the way you're supposed to hold a gun.

Unless it has someone else's fingerprints on the grip and you don't want to get your fingerprints on it.

CloakNNNdagger
08-05-2013, 08:35 PM
Another uncle bites the dust........and then there was none........

Aaron Hernandez's uncle dies in moped crash (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/08/04/aaron-hernandez-uncle-dies-in-moped-accident-bristol-robert-valentine/2616205/?morestories=obinsite)

A second freak accident has claimed another member of Aaron Hernandez's family.

In the early-morning hours Saturday, Hernandez's uncle, Robert J. Valentine, 49, died in a moped crash in Bristol, according to Bristol police.

Valentine is a brother of Hernandez's mother, Terri.

Police said Valentine, riding a 2012 Sunny moped, struck a curb on the right side of the roadway, was thrown from the moped, landed in a private driveway and struck a curb. He was not wearing a helmet and died at the scene, despite efforts by firefighters. A medical helicopter was dispatched but Valentine died before it could transport him.

In June, another Hernandez uncle, Thaddeus Singleton III, was killed when his car crashed into the Farmington (Conn.) Country Club while traveling 100 mph on a rain-slicked road.


Hernandez, held without bail, has pleaded not guilty to the June 17 murder of Odin Lloyd, Hernandez's friend and a 27-year-old semipro football player.

Police had said they had wanted to question Singleton as part of the murder investigation, but there is no indication Valentine had any connection to the case. Several family members have been drawn into the case, according to prosecutors, although no charges have been filed against them.

Playoffs
08-05-2013, 10:18 PM
Another uncle bites the dust........and then there was none.......

Uncle Andres Valderrama, whose home was searched multiple times in connection with Ahern, is still kicking.

CloakNNNdagger
08-06-2013, 11:39 AM
Uncle Andres Valderrama, whose home was searched multiple times in connection with Ahern, is still kicking.

Just give it time........:spy:

CloakNNNdagger
08-10-2013, 04:02 PM
The quickest way to a man's heart is through his stomach........the quickest way to a man's secrets is through his girlfriend........

The fiancee of former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, Jenkins initially was talking to police in the aftermath of Odin Lloyd’s murder — until Hernandez gave her the same advice Archie Bunker routinely provided to Edith.

Now, Jenny Wilson of the Hartford Courant reports that prosecutors believe Jenkins engaged in “overt attempts to hide evidence . . . and to hinder and mislead” the investigation. The contention, which appear in court documents released Friday, was made in connection with a request to search a storage unit rented in her name.

The records allege that Hernandez called Jenkins the day after Lloyd’s body was found because Hernandez wanted to get rid of the weapons in the home he and Jenkins share. The materials also reportedly explain that surveillance footage from Hernandez’s home shows Jenkins leaving the house with a trash bag containing a “rigid object” resembling a lock box or safe. According to the records, authorities contend she then placed the bag in the trunk of a car, drove away, returned 35 minutes later, and opened the trunk — which no longer contained the bag or the “rigid object.” (There’s a chance she’s an amateur magician, and opening the truck was simply the prestige.)

The paperwork likewise refers to “cryptic texts” exchanged by Hernandez and Jenkins regarding a box in the basement.

These allegations seem to mesh with Carlos Ortiz’s alleged explanation that Hernandez placed two guns in a black box after Lloyd was shot.

It all adds up to significant leverage against Jenkins, who may eventually have to choose between facing obstruction of justice charges or cooperating with police regarding anything and everything she knows about Lloyd’s murder.

“It would be premature at this time for us to comment or speculate on whether more charges will be filed in this case,” prosecutors said Friday, via the Courant. “We are letting the evidence guide us before making our decision.”

The evidence seems to be guiding them toward pursuing charges against Jenkins.link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/10/prosecutors-believe-hernandezs-fiancee-tried-to-hinder-mislead-investigation/)

Playoffs
08-10-2013, 05:46 PM
Is there no way to get Jenkins declared his common law wife?

If not, leveraging her against him will show how much of a "man" he really is. C'mon, baby, prison ain't so bad.

CloakNNNdagger
08-10-2013, 07:58 PM
Is there no way to get Jenkins declared his common law wife?

If not, leveraging her against him will show how much of a "man" he really is. C'mon, baby, prison ain't so bad.

Connecticut does not recognize common law marriage. This is one reason that are keeping Hernandez wrapped up tighter than a drum and severely restricted as far as allowed visitors, so that he cannot become "accidentally" married.

Playoffs
08-10-2013, 10:45 PM
Another tidbit, another accomplise: (http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-hernandez-jenkins-gun-20130809,0,7697763.story) Also mentioned in the documents is Hernandez's cousin Tanya Cummings-Singleton, who last week was found in contempt of court after she refused to answer the questions of a grand jury convened in the case. Investigators listed her as also involved in the "overt attempts to hide evidence, render assistance for [a] suspect to elude law enforcement, and to hinder and mislead this investigation."

I'm thinking the Feds might have a RICO case. :kitten:

Connecticut does not recognize common law marriage. This is one reason that are keeping Hernandez wrapped up tighter than a drum and severely restricted as far as allowed visitors, so that he cannot become "accidentally" married.
Yeah that's right, I forgot about that.

paycheck71
08-10-2013, 11:31 PM
I'm thinking the Feds might have a RICO case. :kitten:



I remember reading somewhere that the Feds were looking to get involved since AH & Co. may have crossed state lines during the aftermath and attempts to cover and hide the evidence, and if they do, they death penalty is back on the table.

Playoffs
08-14-2013, 08:55 PM
Texans owner Bob McNair explaining some of the things his franchise considers when drafting players to a group of high school football players by saying "We don't like bullies...We don't like domestic violence. We don't like men who beat up women or assault other people that are smaller than they are. Those are 3 things the Texans look at and I'll give you a prime example:

"(Aaron)Hernandez the tight end for New England, all of y'all are familiar with the problems that he got into. We took him off our board. We wouldn't even draft him because he had too many examples of violation of these principles that we're talking about."

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rltq9h

dc_txtech
08-14-2013, 09:13 PM
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rltq9h

Not sure why but I just had flashbacks to people whining about Bob Mcnair being cheap for not shelling out $100 million for Albert Haynesworth.

:texflag:

HJam72
08-15-2013, 08:27 AM
Not sure why but I just had flashbacks to people whining about Bob Mcnair being cheap for not shelling out $100 million for Albert Haynesworth.

:texflag:

It can be frustrating, but I have to respect it.

TEXANRED
08-15-2013, 08:42 AM
Unless carrying black trash bags with stuff inside has become illegal the prosecutions got nothin.

Blake
08-15-2013, 09:15 AM
Can we have a mod update the title?

Re: Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez to be Questioned

paycheck71
08-15-2013, 11:32 AM
Unless carrying black trash bags with stuff inside has become illegal the prosecutions got nothin.

You don't need him on video pulling the trigger with DNA evidence to go along with it. People get convicted on circumstantial evidence.

thunderkyss
08-15-2013, 12:13 PM
You don't need him on video pulling the trigger with DNA evidence to go along with it. People get convicted on circumstantial evidence.

You might want to talk to some of the MBLawyers we've got on this board.

2012Champs
08-15-2013, 02:26 PM
You might want to talk to some of the MBLawyers we've got on this board.



Paycheck is correct. TV dramas have changed people's perception on what is needed for a conviction.

thunderkyss
08-15-2013, 02:31 PM
Paycheck is correct. TV dramas have changed people's perception on what is needed for a conviction.

I agree.. just remembering a recent conversation we had where a case could have been made on circumstantial evidence & the MBLawyers were saying it couldn't happen.

Double Barrel
08-15-2013, 02:35 PM
It can be frustrating, but I have to respect it.

Losing brings out frustration and a tendency to scrutinize every aspect of the front office.

Once considered a liability toward winning by fans, McNair's standards are now seen as a beacon of rigtheousness...since the team is winning, of course.

infantrycak
08-15-2013, 02:40 PM
I agree.. just remembering a recent conversation we had where a case could have been made on circumstantial evidence & the MBLawyers were saying it couldn't happen.

Your memory is faulty.

CloakNNNdagger
08-15-2013, 10:14 PM
Bad past.........worse future..........


Inside the double life of Aaron Hernandez (http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/08/14/hometown-link-double-life-aaron-hernandez/JA34t8HVP3srfqakDqHb1K/story.html)

By Bob Hohler
| Globe Staff
August 15, 2013

Corrosion
08-15-2013, 10:20 PM
Paycheck is correct. TV dramas have changed people's perception on what is needed for a conviction.

For better or worse .... :cool:

FWIW , I believe they convict Hernandez with what circumstantial evidence they have.

I think he's guilty but couldn't convict him with what we have been presented thus far.

paycheck71
08-16-2013, 12:23 AM
For better or worse .... :cool:

FWIW , I believe they convict Hernandez with what circumstantial evidence they have.

I think he's guilty but couldn't convict him with what we have been presented thus far.

Well, we've been presented fragments of evidence. Based on what I've seen and read, it's hard for me to come up with a reasonable explanation of what happened where he's not the killer or at the very least one of the conspirators. It'll be interesting to see what his lawyers come up with. Everybody has their own "reasonableness" meter, so a lot will obviously depend on the jury makeup.

Playoffs
08-16-2013, 09:46 AM
Inside the double life of Aaron Hernandez

By Bob Hohler
| Globe Staff
August 15, 2013

So, Hernandez's mother was a bookie. Nice. And Hernandez's cousin Tanya hid evidence and is now jailed for refusing to testify to the grand jury...

And cousin Tanya's first husband divorced her and married Hernandez's mother, becoming his step father. Mmmkay...

And cousin Tanya's current husband who was wanted for questioning by the police died in a mysterious one car accident 4 days after the Odin Lloyd murder. Got it...

And cousin Tanya bought Uncle Earnest Wallace his bus ticket out of town after the Lloyd murder. And it was Uncle Earnest who earlier dumped a handgun and fled police in a bar altercation Hernandez had with a Jets fan. Of course.

And Hernandez's baby momma Shayanna disposed of the gun he used to kill Lloyd, who was Shayanna's sister's Sheneah's boyfriend. Natch.

And... gotta stop here as my head is spinning. :spin:

Sounds like your typical American family to me -- innocent!:koolaid:

CloakNNNdagger
08-16-2013, 02:46 PM
So, Hernandez's mother was a bookie. Nice. And Hernandez's cousin Tanya hid evidence and is now jailed for refusing to testify to the grand jury...

And cousin Tanya's first husband divorced her and married Hernandez's mother, becoming his step father. Mmmkay...

And cousin Tanya's current husband who was wanted for questioning by the police died in a mysterious one car accident 4 days after the Odin Lloyd murder. Got it...

And cousin Tanya bought Uncle Earnest Wallace his bus ticket out of town after the Lloyd murder. And it was Uncle Earnest who earlier dumped a handgun and fled police in a bar altercation Hernandez had with a Jets fan. Of course.

And Hernandez's baby momma Shayanna disposed of the gun he used to kill Lloyd, who was Shayanna's sister's Sheneah's boyfriend. Natch.

And... gotta stop here as my head is spinning. :spin:

Sounds like your typical American family to me -- innocent!:koolaid:

MSR! Your summary sounds made up and hilarious.........but it is accurate and, unfortunately very tragic. And indeed, there is more in this long article........much more. For anyone interested in the Hernandez situation, it is more than worthwhile to take the time to read this article.

CloakNNNdagger
08-16-2013, 02:56 PM
More search warrant discovery:

Search warrant affidavits obtained by CNN contain new details about fiancée Shayanna Jenkins. In them, authorities alleged that Hernandez, Jenkins, his cousin Tanya Singleton and Ernest Wallace "have all made overt attempts to hide evidence, render assistance for suspect to elude law enforcement, and to hinder and mislead this investigation."

Shayanna Jenkins has not been charged in connection with the investigation, and lawyers representing her fiancé, Hernandez, have not responded to requests for comment.

Wallace has been charged with accessory after the fact to murder.

The documents indicate investigators became suspicious of Shayanna Jenkins after they spoke with her sister Shaneah Jenkins.

Shaneah Jenkins was Lloyd's girlfriend.

The court papers describe the following allegations:

The day after Lloyd's body was found, Shaneah Jenkins told authorities she was with her sister, Shayanna, and two uncles at Hernandez's home.

During that time, Shaneah Jenkins said she saw her sister go into the basement with an empty trash bag. Shayanna asked Shaneah to borrow her car and had a cell phone "communication" with Hernandez.

The women's uncle told Shayanna that "Mr. Hernandez wanted weapons taken out of the house" and told Shaneah that weapons "were discarded into 'the woods.'"

The documents go on to describe a mysterious, if not cryptic, text message obtained by investigators from Hernandez to his fiancée that allegedly read: "Go back in back of the screen in movie room when u (sic) get home an (sic) there is a box...jus (sic) in case u (sic) were looking for it!!! Member (sic) how you ruined the big tv Imao WAS JUST THINKIN bout that lol wink wink love u TTYL....K"

"TTYL" is common shorthand for "talk to you later."

According to the court papers, Jenkins allegedly answers: "ok-that was awful...Perfect tv...Love u."

About an hour later, a home surveillance video shows Jenkins leaving the house carrying something "rigid" and "consistent to a lock box or safe" placed inside a garbage bag and covered with clothing, according to the documents.

Police state Jenkins drove away and returned an hour later, but she was not carrying the "rigid" item back into the house.

Prosecutors have said no lock box was found in the home.

A search of a rented storage unit in Bristol, Connecticut, allegedly paid for by Hernandez, did not locate the weapon used to kill Lloyd, according to law enforcement officials.

Singleton, Hernandez' cousin, remained jailed on a contempt of court charge for failing to cooperate with a grand jury, according to two law enforcement sources.

Grand jury indictments are expected in the case as early as next week, officials have said. link (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/12/justice/massachusetts-hernandez-fiancee)

ThaJokaa
08-16-2013, 03:12 PM
Man that dude is guilty

Thorn
08-16-2013, 04:02 PM
Man that dude is guilty

If Hernandez is actually not guilty it would have to be such an amazing set of circumstances it would be beyond belief.

ThaJokaa
08-16-2013, 04:17 PM
"The Glove didn't fit"

Playoffs
08-16-2013, 05:46 PM
Man that dude is guilty

Hernandez could have seen a poisonous snake out there while he was peeing and while shooting at it in a courageous attempt to protect his friends from the danger the bullets ricocheted off construction equipment and hit poor Odin Lloyd... 5 times... in the head and heart. :koolaid:

CloakNNNdagger
08-19-2013, 09:45 PM
It has just been reported that the gun used in the first murder has been uncovered and it has been linked to Hernandez.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/08/19/gun-used-in-boston-double-murder-linked-to-hernandez-found-in-springfield/

Gun Used In Boston Double Murder Linked To Hernandez Found

Playoffs
08-19-2013, 10:23 PM
It has just been reported that the gun used in the first murder has been uncovered and it has been linked to Hernandez.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/08/19/gun-used-in-boston-double-murder-linked-to-hernandez-found-in-springfield/

Gun Used In Boston Double Murder Linked To Hernandez Found

Another upstanding citizen-friend of Aaron Hernandez... who happens to be friends with Hernandez's brother:

http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/08/jailene-diaz-ramos-aaron-hernandez-murder/

annnd has a criminal record & a dope head & etc.

Playoffs
08-20-2013, 11:09 AM
Curiously, police also found a locked safe in the trunk of the car; a warrant to search the safe has not yet been issued. But with the gun used to kill Lloyd still missing and with the arrest of Diaz-Ramos coming only a few days after Lloyd was shot, it’s hard not to wonder whether the .45-caliber Glock that killed Lloyd is inside that safe.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/20/report-police-find-gun-used-in-july-2012-double-murder/

CloakNNNdagger
08-21-2013, 06:43 AM
Aaron Hernandez update: NFLPA reportedly will file grievance over bonus money (http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2013/08/20/aaron-hernandez-update-nflpa-reportedly-will-file-grievance-over-bonus-money/)


The Patriots released Aaron Hernandez after he was arrested and charged with murder, but they might still have some money left to pay him.

That is because the NFL Players Association is expected to file a grievance because the Patriots did not pay Hernandez an $82,000 workout bonus that was scheduled to be paid on Aug. 1, according to a report from Fox Sports writer Mike Garafolo.

Hernandez satisfied the requirements to receive the bonus by participating in the Patriots’ offseason workout program this spring. However, the Patriots did not pay Hernandez his check when it was due this month, according to the report.

This could be just the beginning in a battle between the NFLPA and the Patriots, as Hernandez is owed a $3.25 million payment in March — which is the final piece of a $12.5 million signing bonus he was set to receive after signing a contract extension last summer. According the collective bargaining agreement, the Patriots forfeited the right to recoup future signing bonus money when they released him in June.

The battle for Hernandez’s expected $3.332 million will be decided by an arbitrator’s decision — a process that will start soon.

EllisUnit
08-21-2013, 01:38 PM
Awww the NFLPA is fighting for the rights of a scum bag murderer. The people he killed had a right to live in which he took from him. This jack ass dont deserve a dime.

I swear this world is getting so dumb that the apocalypse will be because humanity is so dumb at one point that everyone forgets how to breathe.

2012Champs
08-21-2013, 01:43 PM
Awww the NFLPA is fighting for the rights of a scum bag murderer. The people he killed had a right to live in which he took from him. This jack ass dont deserve a dime.

I swear this world is getting so dumb that the apocalypse will be because humanity is so dumb at one point that everyone forgets how to breathe.



The only thing dumb here is that you have an issue with the NFLPA making a filing in the first place. It is their job to do this and if the Patriots owe him the money per the cba they should pay it no matter what personal opinions/emotions are of the other issues.

EllisUnit
08-21-2013, 01:51 PM
The only thing dumb here is that you have an issue with the NFLPA making a filing in the first place. It is their job to do this and if the Patriots owe him the money per the cba they should pay it no matter what personal opinions/emotions are of the other issues.

Are u kidding me with this BS. He lost that right when he killed that man IMO. The right to freedom, the right to free world luxuries. This is this new soft world BS that is making the NFL flag football, thats making Mcdonalds put warnings about hot coffee every where. Letting people like Casey Anthony walk free.

The lord giveth and the lord taketh away. Not hernandez taketh away. Screw that dude and his so called money. And screw what people think is politically correct. He lost all rights IMO when he took a life, that money can be spent on things better than Hernandez's commissary in the Pen. Give me a ****ing break

2012Champs
08-21-2013, 02:16 PM
Are u kidding me with this BS. He lost that right when he killed that man IMO.



You are incorrect. The NFLPA is doing what they should do based on the services Aaron rendered to the Patriots per his contract. The NFLPA should work to get the payment for him and if it is found that payment is due it should go towards whatever Aaron decides with his money, outside of a wrongful death suit




The right to freedom, the right to free world luxuries. This is this new soft world BS that is making the NFL flag football, thats making Mcdonalds put warnings about hot coffee every where. Letting people like Casey Anthony walk free.


You dont lose all of your right for committing a crime or being accused of committing a crime. This has nothing to do with flag football, you should really read up on the McDonalds coffee case because you show your ignorance on the topic. McDonalds was liable, McDonalds ignored many warnings that its coffee was well beyond the range it should have been and the lady orginally asked for them to just cover her medical bills but they told her to F off, they got it in the end. Also to the Anthony case, it wasnt the system that failed, the system worked and it just wasnt to your liking. Same with the Zimmerman trail





The lord giveth and the lord taketh away. Not hernandez taketh away. Screw that dude and his so called money. And screw what people think is politically correct. He lost all rights IMO when he took a life, that money can be spent on things better than Hernandez's commissary in the Pen. Give me a ****ing break




This isnt about being politically correct either and again you are incorrect in saying he lost all his rights. Im not sure how someone can become so far detached from facts and reality but its clear your emotions have overthrown any idea of rational thought



edit: in the MCD case she offered to settle for 20k to cover medical cost and lost wages and MCD denied it

EllisUnit
08-21-2013, 02:22 PM
You are incorrect. The NFLPA is doing what they should do based on the services Aaron rendered to the Patriots per his contract. The NFLPA should work to get the payment for him and if it is found that payment is due it should go towards whatever Aaron decides with his money, outside of a wrongful death suit





You dont lose all of your right for committing a crime or being accused of committing a crime. This has nothing to do with flag football, you should really read up on the McDonalds coffee case because you show your ignorance on the topic. McDonalds was liable, McDonalds ignored many warnings that its coffee was well beyond the range it should have been and the lady orginally asked for them to just cover her medical bills but they told her to F off, they got it in the end. Also to the Anthony case, it wasnt the system that failed, the system worked and it just wasnt to your liking. Same with the Zimmerman trail







This isnt about being politically correct either and again you are incorrect in saying he lost all his rights. Im not sure how someone can become so far detached from facts and reality but its clear your emotions have overthrown any idea of rational thought

I worked death row for nearly 3 years. And ur talking about governmental law, i dont give a damn about the laws the government has in place. The fact is when he decided to take a life he made the choice to potentially lose his freedom.

Has nothing to do with my emotion. I bet ur against the death penalty too ? I saw a man 3 days from execution who was on the heart transplant list get a heart. 3 days later he was executed. Haha yeah our government laws make so much sense.

2012Champs
08-21-2013, 02:25 PM
I worked death row for nearly 3 years. And ur talking about governmental law, i dont give a damn about the laws the government has in place. The fact is when he decided to take a life he made the choice to potentially lose his freedom.

Has nothing to do with my emotion. I bet ur against the death penalty too ? I saw a man 3 days from execution who was on the heart transplant list get a heart. 3 days later he was executed. Haha yeah our government laws make so much sense.




It very clear your emotions are driving your responses not rational thinking. I am not against the death penalty although I do know it does not deter people from committing murder Im still not against it

EllisUnit
08-21-2013, 02:29 PM
You are incorrect. The NFLPA is doing what they should do based on the services Aaron rendered to the Patriots per his contract. The NFLPA should work to get the payment for him and if it is found that payment is due it should go towards whatever Aaron decides with his money, outside of a wrongful death suit





You dont lose all of your right for committing a crime or being accused of committing a crime. This has nothing to do with flag football, you should really read up on the McDonalds coffee case because you show your ignorance on the topic. McDonalds was liable, McDonalds ignored many warnings that its coffee was well beyond the range it should have been and the lady orginally asked for them to just cover her medical bills but they told her to F off, they got it in the end. Also to the Anthony case, it wasnt the system that failed, the system worked and it just wasnt to your liking. Same with the Zimmerman trail







This isnt about being politically correct either and again you are incorrect in saying he lost all his rights. Im not sure how someone can become so far detached from facts and reality but its clear your emotions have overthrown any idea of rational thought



edit: in the MCD case she offered to settle for 20k to cover medical cost and lost wages and MCD denied it

Are u kidding me about Mcdonalds ? Did the lady ask for an ice coffee ? NO she wanted a hot coffee, Mcdonalds shouldnt of been liable for jack. This is the modern day sentiment that states noone is liable anymore.

Oh lord i dont get how some people think nowdays. He killed a man he shouldnt get anything, besides life behind bars. Rights, he shouldnt have any rights to anything he had or was going to get before then. UNLESS he is found not guilty. Which i dont see happening, but who knows nowadays with all the brilliance of humanity.

2012Champs
08-21-2013, 02:32 PM
Are u kidding me about Mcdonalds ? Did the lady ask for an ice coffee ? NO she wanted a hot coffee, Mcdonalds shouldnt of been liable for jack. This is the modern day sentiment that states noone is liable anymore.

Oh lord i dont get how some people think nowdays. He killed a man he shouldnt get anything, besides life behind bars. Rights, he shouldnt have any rights to anything he had or was going to get before then. UNLESS he is found not guilty. Which i dont see happening, but who knows nowadays with all the brilliance of humanity.



You clearly have never looked into the MCD case. If you would and stop just reading headlines and reacting emotionally you would see MCD had liability in the case.



Interesting you bring up the possible not guilty, seems to me that you have already removed all of his rights instead of letting the trial take place. Even after conviction you dont lose all of your rights. Take your death row heart transplant, if he got his transplant and the day of his execution he received a stay what then? What if they then tossed his conviction? Oh but before anyone is convicted they lose their rights, right? And you arent emotional about it ? :kubepalm:

infantrycak
08-21-2013, 02:34 PM
Are u kidding me about Mcdonalds ? Did the lady ask for an ice coffee ? NO she wanted a hot coffee, Mcdonalds shouldnt of been liable for jack. This is the modern day sentiment that states noone is liable anymore.

You really should educate yourself before jumping to a conclusion. McDonald's was the ONLY restaurant around that exceeded industry standard temp and delivered coffee capable of inflecting 3rd degree burns. McDonald's had paid almost 800 prior claims. Most people don't need to be clubbed in the wallet 800 times to learn.

EllisUnit
08-21-2013, 03:05 PM
You clearly have never looked into the MCD case. If you would and stop just reading headlines and reacting emotionally you would see MCD had liability in the case.



Interesting you bring up the possible not guilty, seems to me that you have already removed all of his rights instead of letting the trial take place. Even after conviction you dont lose all of your rights. Take your death row heart transplant, if he got his transplant and the day of his execution he received a stay what then? What if they then tossed his conviction? Oh but before anyone is convicted they lose their rights, right? And you arent emotional about it ? :kubepalm:

What if they would of over turned the death penalty ? Ok good for him he can live until his heart gives out. Give the good heart to someone who didnt decide to live their life behind bars after killing 6 people. Ohhhhh but thats in humane right ? Haha.

You are refering all to government laws, these are not the laws of humanity. I have lived on the other side, behind bars with these animals so i have seen what its really like.

Wont argue with u about this anymore. Just think they should hold any bonus until the verdict. And if he is guilty he shouldnt get squat.

2012Champs
08-21-2013, 03:08 PM
What if they would of over turned the death penalty ? Ok good for him he can live until his heart gives out. Give the good heart to someone who didnt decide to live their life behind bars after killing 6 people. Ohhhhh but thats in humane right ? Haha.

You are refering all to government laws, these are not the laws of humanity. I have lived on the other side, behind bars with these animals so i have seen what its really like.

Wont argue with u about this anymore. Just think they should hold any bonus until the verdict. And if he is guilty he shouldnt get squat.




You wont argue anymore because you cant stay in reality. His contract appears to state if he conducted workouts he gets 80k. If that is true he should be paid even though you feel some outside force should change that

paycheck71
08-21-2013, 03:42 PM
I'm certainly not defending Hernandez. I think he's guilty based on what's been leaked, but he has not been proven to be so in the court of law. Until then, it is the duty of NFLPA to treat him as another member and file the grievance as they've done. I have no problem with that whatsoever.

If I'm the Patriots, I make him come and get the money. I'm not writing another check voluntarily.

Playoffs
08-22-2013, 12:09 PM
Aaron Hernandez to Appear in Court; Indictment Expected (http://abcnews.go.com/US/aaron-hernandez-court-indictment-expected/story?id=20034745)

Former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez is expected to be formally indicted for the murder of his friend, who was executed less than a mile from the NFL's star's North Attleborough home, ABC News has learned.

Hernandez is scheduled to appear in court for a probable cause hearing this afternoon. But instead of detailing what prosecutors contend is the overwhelming evidence investigators have collected against Hernandez, Bristol County prosecutors will instead officially arraign the former football player. He'll be charged with the murder of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, who was allegedly shot five times execution-style on June 17, several law enforcement sources told ABC News.

Prosecutors pushed to get an indictment before today's hearing, sources said. That is significant because without an indictment Hernandez's lawyers would have likely argued for his release...

CloakNNNdagger
08-22-2013, 12:22 PM
Aaron Hernandez to Appear in Court; Indictment Expected (http://abcnews.go.com/US/aaron-hernandez-court-indictment-expected/story?id=20034745)

Prosecutors pushed to get an indictment before today's hearing, sources said. That is significant because without an indictment Hernandez's lawyers would have likely argued for his release...

And then his attorneys have his fiance, a Justice of the Peace and a bag of rice waiting right outside the jail house door.........:vincepalm:

Playoffs
08-22-2013, 12:59 PM
Gee, I wonder which one is cooperating... ?

Wesley Lowery ‏@WesleyLowery
Currently NO indictment issued for Carlos Ortiz, the third man being held in custody in relation to Odin Lloyd's murder. #hernandez

Ernest Wallace has also been indicted by a grand jury on a accessory to 1st degree murder (after the fact) charge in the Odin Lloyd killing.

BREAKING NEWS: A grand jury has indicted former Patriots star Aaron #Hernandez on a murder charge related to the slaying of Odin Lloyd.

CloakNNNdagger
08-22-2013, 01:16 PM
Wonder when the search warrant for looking inside the "lock box" in the double murder is going to be fulfilled?

Playoffs
08-22-2013, 01:54 PM
Wonder when the search warrant for looking inside the "lock box" in the double murder is going to be fulfilled?

You'd think that would have been issued & executed by now, which would mean no murder weapon for Lloyd killing.

Live stream: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/aaron-hernandez-court-hearing-live-video-stream-probable-cause-hearing-in-a-massachusetts-court

Mobile live stream: http://nbcnews.to/14HH6hl

Playoffs
08-22-2013, 02:23 PM
Nothing to speak of...

Hernandez mouthed "I love you" to someone in the gallery ask he was brought in.

Defense team raised three issues that were SOP. You can tell Ahern's lawyers know their stuff.

Friday week setting for formal arraignment.

Biggest news in the court was his Honor's eyebrows, which were the thickest & bushiest I've ever seen. I could cover my bald head with a rug woven solely from this Judge's brows. http://forums.downloadfestival.co.uk/upfiles/smiley/unibrow.gif



Wesley Lowery ‏@WesleyLowery
Singleton will be arraigned tomorrow. #hernandez

Officials confirm Hernandez's cousin, Tanya Singleton, also indicted today for contempt after she refused to testify before grand jury.

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2013, 07:33 AM
Makes me really wonder what kind of research and though process went on by Bellichick and the Patriots' scouting department for them to have gone for this "Good Dude"?


Report: Aaron Hernandez was heavy drug user and paranoid (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/23353296/report-aaron-hernandez-was-heavy-drug-user-and-paranoid)


By John Breech | CBSSports.com

August 27, 2013 11:03 pm ET

Since being arrested in June, Aaron Hernandez has written several jailhouse letters and in one of those letters he insisted that he's a 'great dude.' If you have a hard time believing Hernandez is a 'great dude' you're going to have an even harder time after reading new evidence uncovered by Rolling Stone.

In what could turn out to be a bombshell article, the magazine will be publishing a cover story on Hernandez in its October issue. The magazine released a small preview of the story on Tuesday, a preview that will probably make you want to read the entire article.

Here are five revelations from the preview:

•Hernandez was a heavy user of angel dust (PCP), and had become so paranoid over the last year that he carried a gun wherever he went.


•He surrounded himself with a cohort of gangsters, and cut himself off from his family and teammates.


•Hernandez had so infuriated his head coach, Bill Belichick, with missed practices and thug-life stunts, that he was one misstep from being cut.


•Both his parents, Dennis and Terri, had criminal records, as did much of his extended family.


•Terri allegedly cheated on Dennis before his death with a violent drug dealer named Jeffrey Cummings, then married Cummings after Dennis died and moved him into the house she shared with Aaron.


Although Rolling Stone only promised five revelations, they delivered on a sixth one and the sixth one might be the most damning.

From Rolling Stone:

In college [Hernandez's] coach [then-University of Florida head coach Urban Meyer] may have helped cover up failed drug tests, along with two violent incidents -- an assault and a drive-by shootout outside a local bar.

Unlike the first five revelations though, the magazine doesn't seem as sure about the Meyer revelation, using the word 'MAY have helped' isn't exactly an indictment on Meyer, so it will be definitely be interesting to see what exactly the magazine found to make the connection that Meyer covered-up anything for Hernandez.

Rolling Stone hasn't announced a release date for the Hernandez issue, but it will be on newsstands sometime in September.


I can hardly imagine what MORE will be detailed in the upcoming Rolling Stone piece. :kubepalm::wadepalm:

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2013, 08:03 AM
PCP paranoia + gun = explanation for everything that Hernandez has been accused of since college.

disaacks3
08-28-2013, 08:15 AM
Another interesting part of this will be to see if the Patriots reconsider and pay his 82K workout bonus (that he earned). The NFLPA is digging in.

PapaL
08-28-2013, 08:54 AM
What I gather is that the NFL will catch you if you take adderall but if you take PCP you won't get caught? Interesting...

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2013, 10:20 AM
What I gather is that the NFL will catch you if you take adderall but if you take PCP you won't get caught? Interesting...

When I first read this, the first thing that came to mind was how was this missed on ANY NFL drug testing. PCP is included in the most basic of urine drug screens. Even though some sources cite up to 7 days detection for a single use and up to 30 days for a chronic user, the real numbers are in fact quite different. PCP can be detected for 2-3 months after just one use, and up to 6 months after chronic use. This is a drug that is essentially impossible to mask, with the only option left open to the subject is to substitute his urine.

TD
08-28-2013, 10:29 AM
•Hernandez was a heavy user of angel dust (PCP), and had become so paranoid over the last year that he carried a gun wherever he went.

If carrying a gun with you everywhere is a sign of paranoia, then 1/2 the people I know are in need of a psychiatrist.

Playoffs
08-28-2013, 10:44 AM
What is PCP? (http://www.drugfree.org/drug-guide/pcp)

PCP, or phencyclidine, is a “dissociative” anesthetic that was developed in the 1950s as a surgical anesthetic. Its sedative and anesthetic effects are trance-like, and patients experience a feeling of being “out of body” and detached from their environment. Use of PCP in humans was discontinued in 1965, because it was found that patients often became agitated, delusional, and irrational while recovering from its anesthetic effects.

...High doses can also cause effects similar to symptoms of schizophrenia, such as delusions, paranoia, disordered thinking, a sensation of distance from one’s environment, and catatonia. Speech is often sparse and garbled.

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2013, 10:57 AM
If carrying a gun with you everywhere is a sign of paranoia, then 1/2 the people I know are in need of a psychiatrist.

Have you ever had the opportunity to deal with a person on PCP?

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2013, 11:03 AM
What is PCP? (http://www.drugfree.org/drug-guide/pcp)

Unlike even a drug like LSD or cocaine or marijuana, PCP has never had a medical use or any legal use.

Playoffs
08-28-2013, 11:09 AM
If carrying a gun with you everywhere is a sign of paranoia, then 1/2 the people I know are in need of a psychiatrist.

You've got the cart before the horse -- the paranoia creates the perceived need to carry a gun. Irrational/delusional thinking + lethal weapon = danger to those around them.

And we're up to at least 4 firearms incidents associated with Hernandez from 17 to 23... that we know of.


Unlike even a drug like LSD or cocaine or marijuana, PCP has never had a medical use or any legal use.

It says it was used as an anesthetic until 1965, no?

TD
08-28-2013, 11:17 AM
Have you ever had the opportunity to deal with a person on PCP?

Not sure what that had to do with my comment, but yes, including myself.

paycheck71
08-28-2013, 11:20 AM
If carrying a gun with you everywhere is a sign of paranoia, then 1/2 the people I know are in need of a psychiatrist.

Why turn this into a political debate? Unless I'm totally misreading your comment.

TD
08-28-2013, 11:25 AM
You've got the cart before the horse -- the paranoia creates the perceived need to carry a gun. Irrational/delusional thinking + lethal weapon = danger to those around them.

Maybe, maybe not. I can't glean that much off of one sentence referencing a "revelation" that is going to be made by someone in the future.

I was being tongue-in-cheek, but the comment did strike me as a little anti-gun.

And we're up to at least 4 firearms incidents associated with Hernandez from 17 to 23... that we know of.

Exactly my point. The article made it sound like carrying a gun the last year was a sign of paranoia when in reality he has been a gun-toting thug his entire adult life.

Playoffs
08-28-2013, 11:43 AM
Rolling Stone--The Gangsta In The Huddle (http://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-gangster-in-the-huddle)

Aaron Hernandez might have been one of the NFL’s all-time greats, but he could never escape drugs, guns and a life of violence
The first text pinged him around nine that Sunday night: I’m coming to grab that tonight, you gon b around? I need dat and we could step for a little again. For Odin Lloyd, this was bang-up news, proof that his luck had turned around. Aaron Hernandez, the Pro Bowl tight end of the New England Patriots, was coming by later to scoop him up for another five-star debauch, just 36 hours after he’d taken Lloyd out for the wildest ride of his life. All night Friday, they’d kicked it at Rumor, popping bottles and pulling models up the steps of the VIP section of the Boston theater district’s hottest club. “Shit was crazy,” Lloyd told friends the next day at his niece’s dance recital. “The girls were off the chain. We smoked that super-duper and Aaron dropped 10 G’s like it was nothing. We kept rolling past dawn at his big-ass mansion, then he tossed me the keys to his Suburban.”

Big doings for a semipro football player and underemployed landscape helper, though there, too, fortune smiled on Lloyd, 27. He’d just gotten word that he’d have shifts all week, his first steady hours in some time. And now he was about to burn it down again with Hernandez, the $40 million man with the restless streak and a bottomless taste for chronic. The problem, Lloyd said, was it didn’t end there with Hernandez and his how-high crew: “Them boys is into way worse shit than herb.”

How much worse? About as bad as it gets, say longtime family friends. In exclusive conversations with Rolling Stone, those friends, who insisted they not be named, say Hernandez was using the maniacal drug angel dust, had fallen in with a crew of gangsters and convinced himself that his life was in danger, carrying a gun wherever he went. Sources close to the tight end add that throughout the spring, when players are expected to be preparing themselves for the marathon NFL season, Hernandez had missed workouts and sessions with a rehab trainer, and had been told by his head coach, Bill Belichick, that he was one misstep from being cut...
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-gangster-in-the-huddle#ixzz2dHLbphTb

Playoffs
08-28-2013, 12:54 PM
...the stoop-to-conquer Patriots of Bill Belichick.


Best line in the Rolling Stone piece. Patriots are complicit, act like they're not.

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2013, 09:46 PM
You've got the cart before the horse -- the paranoia creates the perceived need to carry a gun. Irrational/delusional thinking + lethal weapon = danger to those around them.

And we're up to at least 4 firearms incidents associated with Hernandez from 17 to 23... that we know of.




It says it was used as an anesthetic until 1965, no?

Playoffs, you're absolutely right.

Forgot all about Senylan. In the mid 70's, I would be called on to perform occasional reconstructive surgery on some of the injured New Orleans Zoo animals. It was used as a human dissociative anesthetic like, if you have heard of, a drug called Ketamine that is still used today. But Senylan was strictly a veterinary anesthetic. The way it worked, like Ketamine, was that patients felt the pain, but forgot having pain a second after they experienced it. This went on for as long as the surgery lasted. It did not have any use in large medical center environments except for research. Actually after its use was discontinued because of horrendous post anesthetic effects on animals beyond its unique anesthesia, it was actually produced by the manufacturer in small quantities, sort of under the radar of the FDA, for certain limited institutions and research purposes, though somehow finding it's way mostly into the hands of the non-medical, non-veterinary population for recreational use. The FDA finally caught wind of the latter and put an end to the manufacturer's production, I believe, somewhere near the end of the 70's. The street formulas took over after that.

Playoffs
08-28-2013, 10:21 PM
Playoffs, you're absolutely right.

Forgot all about Senylan. In the mid 70's, I would be called on to perform occasional reconstructive surgery on some of the injured New Orleans Zoo animals. It was used as a human dissociative anesthetic like, if you have heard of, a drug called Ketamine that is still used today. But Senylan was strictly a veterinary anesthetic...

That's right, I remember it being referred to as "horse tranquilizer" when I was a kid.

JPPT1974
08-28-2013, 10:42 PM
Hernandez family seems to be ran by a gang of thugs! One messed up family for sure!

htownfan32
08-29-2013, 11:48 AM
Hernandez family seems to be ran by a gang of thugs! One messed up family for sure!

Maybe. It looked like his dad realized his mistakes and when he had kids really tried to turn 'em around, make sure they didn't end up like him, and succeeded with Aaron's older brother. Too many tragic things happened to that family.

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 12:04 AM
"I saw Bill today and asked, 'Did Aaron ever tell you his life was in danger?' He's like, 'Absolutely not,' " Kraft said. "If a player had told Bill that his life was in danger, Bill would say, 'We're calling (security chief) Mark Briggs, we're calling the authorities.' His response wouldn't be, 'We're going to get a safe house and you're going to lie low.' I know Bill, that's not what he would say."

Kraft also said Belichick never threatened to cut Hernandez if he slipped up one more time.

"If we had known what people seem to think what we know about Aaron Hernandez, we would not have done that deal (the five-year, $40 million extension he signed last year), and Bill would never threaten a player with being cut 12 months down the road," Kraft said. "It makes no sense both in terms of how you're interacting with the player and in terms of the (salary) cap."http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000235921/article/patriots-exec-disputes-rolling-stones-hernandez-story

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2013, 08:02 PM
Hernandez sinking deeper in S__T.

Report: Video shows Aaron Hernandez with 2012 murder victims (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/23477144/report-video-shows-aaron-hernandez-at-nightclub-with-double-homicide-victims)

paycheck71
09-21-2013, 12:09 AM
This is an unrelated story, and I'm sure Hernandez has much better lawyers, but it just shows that you don't have to pull the trigger to be convicted of first degree murder.

Florida 'Hiccup Girl' found guilty of murder (http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/20/justice/hiccup-girl-murder-verdict/index.html)

CloakNNNdagger
09-27-2013, 06:02 PM
The screws are finally being turned.

Grand jury indicts Aaron Hernandez’s fiancee (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/27/grand-jury-indicts-aaron-hernandezs-fiance/)
Posted by Mike Florio on September 27, 2013, 3:15 PM EDT


Prosecutors have believed that Shayanna Jenkins, the fiancee of former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, engaged in “overt attempts to hide evidence . . . and to hinder and mislead” their investigation into the murder of Odin Lloyd.

A grand jury now agrees. Via the Boston Globe, Jenkins has been indicted for perjury.

The grand jury also indicted Hernandez’s cousin, Tanya Singleton, on charges of conspiracy to commit accessory after the fact. She had been jailed on contempt of court charges after refusing to testify before the grand jury.

Carlos Ortiz, who previously faced weapons charges, has been indicted as an accessory after the fact. The weapons charges have been dropped.

The charge against Jenkins means that she lied under oath. Which likely means that prosecutors believe she lied when testifying before the grand jury.

The news charges will serve to put increased pressure on persons who have collateral roles in the case, with the hope that someone will provide clear and persuasive testimony or evidence that can be used to convict Hernandez for murder.

Playoffs
09-27-2013, 06:35 PM
The screws are finally being turned.

Grand jury indicts Aaron Hernandez’s fiancee (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/27/grand-jury-indicts-aaron-hernandezs-fiance/)
Posted by Mike Florio on September 27, 2013, 3:15 PM EDTGood. I missed the latest news.

I'm guessing the prosecutor will leverage jail time for Ahern's fiancé against a plea. We will see if he's a man or a mouse when it comes to family - women - going to prison on his behalf.

I'd throw them all in the calaboose and lose the key.

CloakNNNdagger
10-02-2013, 11:54 PM
http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/usa-patriots_hernandez183627-525x4151.jpg

OH $HIT! YOU MEAN I LEFT ONE ALIVE?!




Witness claims Aaron Hernandez pulled trigger in 2012 Boston double shooting (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/02/witness-claims-aaron-hernandez-pulled-trigger-in-2012-boston-double-shooting/)
October 02, 2013

A man who survived a 2012 shooting in Boston that killed two people has claimed that then-New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez was the man who pulled the trigger.

The man, who asked that his identity be kept secret out of concern for his safety, made the claim in an interview with WFXT television in Boston, and said he recognized Hernandez as the man who fatally shot two of his friends in July 2012 after the former NFL star was arrested this past June for the murder of Odin Lloyd.

The man claimed that the shooting occurred shortly after 2 a.m., the time when the Boston nightclub where they'd spent most of the evening closed its doors. The men were waiting at a red light when an SUV pulled up alongside them and a voice shouted "What's up, Negroes?" before the shooting began.

"Things happened so fast. I was trying to defend myself," the witness said in the interview. "They were shooting everywhere inside the car, front to back. They just came to kill. That's it."

The driver of the car the men were in, Danny Abreu, was killed, as was a passenger, Safiro Furtado. Both men were Cape Verdean immigrants, as is the witness.

"When I see (Hernandez's) face, I just recognize his face. Compare his face that night to his face now. It's that face that I remember," he said.

The word of the witness is not the only evidence police have that Hernandez was involved in the shooting, which occurred just months after he caught one of two touchdown passes thrown by Tom Brady in New England's 21-17 Super Bowl 46 loss to the New York Giants. Investigators believe Hernandez was at the same nightclub where the victims were the night of the shooting. MyFoxBoston.com reports that surveillance footage shows Hernandez in the same area as the victims.

Also, court documents show investigators found a silver SUV with Rhode Island license plates wanted in connection with the Boston shooting during a June search of a Bristol, Conn. house frequented by Hernandez's relatives and friends. According to the documents, the vehicle was rented in Hernandez's name.

A gun believed to be used in the 2012 murders was found in June of this year in the trunk of a car driven by Jailene Diaz Ramos that crashed. Diaz Ramos is also from Bristol, Hernandez's hometown.

MyFoxBoston.com also reports that investigators believe Hernandez's former right-hand man, Alexander Bradley, may have been in the car with Hernandez the night of the Boston murders.

Bradley is currently suing Hernandez, saying that the former football player shot him in the face after a night at a Florida strip club this past February.

Bradley was supposed to testify last month before the Suffolk County grand jury investigating the Boston murders, but did not appear. A warrant is currently out for his arrest.

htowntexans1985
10-03-2013, 11:41 AM
Why didnt he tell the police who the shooter was the day it happened? Hernandez' face was all over television during January football. Sounds like someone trying to get paid to me.

Playoffs
10-03-2013, 12:12 PM
MyFoxBoston.com also reports that investigators believe Hernandez's former right-hand man, Alexander Bradley, may have been in the car with Hernandez the night of the Boston murders.

Bradley is currently suing Hernandez, saying that the former football player shot him in the face after a night at a Florida strip club this past February.

Bradley was supposed to testify last month before the Suffolk County grand jury investigating the Boston murders, but did not appear. A warrant is currently out for his arrest.http://news.lalate.com/pictures/Alexander-Bradley-after.jpg

This Alexander Bradley strikes me as a particular ignoramus. Hernandez shot him in the face and drove to an industrial area of Miami to dump his body leaving him to die. He lives disfigured from bullet to the head but does no report the crime. Later sues. And now no-shows the grand jury.

Prisons were built for dumbazzes like Bradley. If he lives long enough.

Why didnt he tell the police who the shooter was the day it happened? Hernandez' face was all over television during January football. Sounds like someone trying to get paid to me.Most people don't know what non-QBs look like without helmets. I would not recognize Jason Witten or Heath Miller, both with many more years & accolades in the league than Hernandez.

paycheck71
10-03-2013, 08:22 PM
http://news.lalate.com/pictures/Alexander-Bradley-after.jpg

This Alexander Bradley strikes me as a particular ignoramus. Hernandez shot him in the face and drove to an industrial area of Miami to dump his body leaving him to die. He lives disfigured from bullet to the head but does no report the crime. Later sues. And now no-shows the grand jury.

Prisons were built for dumbazzes like Bradley. If he lives long enough.



I bet he's just "keepin' it real." He "ain't no rat."

CloakNNNdagger
10-05-2013, 02:23 PM
Surprise, Mr. Hernandez, they've found him.


Alexander Bradley taken into custody (http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9768699/aaron-hernandez-case-fugitive-witness-custody)
Updated: October 4, 2013, 5:11 PM ET
Associated Press

Playoffs
10-16-2013, 01:26 PM
Aaron Hernandez fiancee pleads not guilty to perjury charge in Odin Lloyd murder case
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2462135/Aaron-Hernandezs-girlfriend-Shayanna-Jenkins-accused-destroying-evidence.html)
In court on Tuesday Mr Bomberg said that the day after Mr Lloyd was killed, [Shayanna] Jenkins, at the request of Hernandez, retrieved a box from the basement of the home she shared with Hernandez in North Attleborough, Massachusetts, put it in a trash bag, covered it with baby clothes and drove away with it.

Jenkins repeatedly told grand jurors she threw the box in a dumpster but couldn't recall where, according to Mr Bomberg.
...
Jenkins, who has turned up to support Hernandez at his court hearings, also allegedly denied asking her maids to sign non-disclosure agreements after Mr Lloyd's death, the Courant reported.

The maids, who reported seeing guns at the house, later testified before the grand jury that Jenkins did ask them to sign documents, copies of which have been submitted as evidence, Mr Bomberg said.

Bassil said that Jenkins and Hernandez had a relationship in which they shared only parts of their lives with each other.

“Their relationship (http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/10/15/shayanna-jenkins-girlfriend-aaron-hernandez-due-court-today-face-perjury-charge-odin-lloyd-murder-case/9X4M0N6707Im8MRDWHHzjK/story.html), in many ways,” Bassil said, “had elements of what I refer to as ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell.’ ”

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/16/article-2462135-18A3A92A00000578-254_634x459.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
10-22-2013, 04:06 PM
Bias for the defense???

Judge rejects motion to remove her from Aaron Hernandez murder case (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/21/21067838-judge-rejects-motion-to-remove-her-from-aaron-hernandez-murder-case?lite)

Playoffs
10-27-2013, 08:34 PM
Miami's Mike Pouncey served grand jury subpoena in Massachusetts (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20131027/mike-pouncey-subpoena-grand-jury-aaron-hernandez/)

The Massachusetts State Police served Miami Dolphins center Mike Pouncey with a grand jury subpoena less than an hour after the Patriots defeated the Dolphins 27-17 at Gillette Stadium on Sunday afternoon.

A source with knowledge of the matter told SI.com that the subpoena is related to the investigation into Aaron Hernandez, Pouncey's close friend and former teammate at the University of Florida. The source indicated that police are focusing in on Hernandez's potential involvement in interstate gun trafficking, which is being investigated by several agencies in multiple states -- at least Massachusetts, New York and Florida.

The extent of Pouncey's potential involvement is undetermined, but police are focusing on multiple transactions that involve him and Hernandez. "Organizationally, we do not have a comment," said Dolphins spokesman Harvey Greene. "And Mike Pouncey does not have a comment."

Playoffs
11-30-2013, 11:45 AM
Aaron Hernandez takes Fifth Amendment in civil suit (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/11/27/aaron-hernandez-responds-alexander-bradley-civil-suit-asserts-fifth-amendment/BwFU2lJCu80mdGRtMiqQLJ/story.html)

The lawsuit, filed in June, alleges that Hernandez shot his friend Alexander Bradley, 31, after the two socialized at a Miami strip club in February.

“Defendant asserts his rights under the Fifth Amendment and, therefore, declines to respond to the allegations,” the filing states 13 times in response to specific allegations contained in Bradley’s civil complaint.

According to a Florida police report, employees of a John tractor store discovered Bradley on Feb. 13 on the ground in the fetal position, bleeding from the head with his eyes swollen shut.

Questioned immediately after the shooting, Bradley told police he did not know who had shot him and refused to help them find his attacker, prompting them to close the investigation.

Four months later, Bradley named Hernandez as the shooter in the lawsuit, which states that he and Hernandez visited Tootsie’s Caberet and got into an argument while inside. While driving later toward Palm Beach, Hernandez pointed a gun at Bradley and fired — either intentionally or through extreme negligence, the lawsuit alleges. Bradley lost his right eye from the gunshot and underwent multiple surgeries...

Coolhandsluke2
12-05-2013, 11:41 AM
Prosecution: Girlfriend of Aaron Hernandez lied 29 times

"NORTH ATTLEBORO — Prosecutors allege the girlfriend of Aaron Hernandez lied to the grand jury investigating the murder of her sister’s boyfriend 29 times."

http://www.thesunchronicle.com/news/local_news/prosecution-girlfriend-of-aaron-hernandez-lied-times/article_baa54976-5c5d-11e3-89e3-001a4bcf887a.html

Playoffs
12-05-2013, 03:43 PM
Prosecution: Girlfriend of Aaron Hernandez lied 29 times

"NORTH ATTLEBORO — Prosecutors allege the girlfriend of Aaron Hernandez lied to the grand jury investigating the murder of her sister’s boyfriend 29 times."

http://www.thesunchronicle.com/news/local_news/prosecution-girlfriend-of-aaron-hernandez-lied-times/article_baa54976-5c5d-11e3-89e3-001a4bcf887a.html

Her lawyer, Janice Bassil of Boston, has said the indictment against her client was “overreaching.”

She said Jenkins was charged with perjury because prosecutors don’t believe her, not because she lied.29 overreaches... that's a nice game. :bravo:

Playoffs
12-17-2013, 07:32 PM
Wrongful death lawsuit filed against Aaron Hernandez (http://www.heraldnews.com/news/x140441324/Wrongful-death-lawsuit-filed-against-Aaron-Hernandez)
Odin Lloyd's family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, who is charged with Lloyd's murder, according to documents filed this week in Bristol County Superior Court.

Lloyd's estate is also asking a judge for a restraining order that would prohibit the New England Patriots from paying out more than three million dollars that Hernandez, 24, is believed to be owed from his contract.

In addition, the Lloyd family is requesting a restraining order for a real estate attachment up to $5 million that would prevent Hernandez from placing his spacious North Attleboro home beyond the court's reach for purposes of awarding damages...

Texan_Bill
12-17-2013, 09:26 PM
Wrongful death lawsuit filed against Aaron Hernandez (http://www.heraldnews.com/news/x140441324/Wrongful-death-lawsuit-filed-against-Aaron-Hernandez)

As they should irrespective whether or not Hernandez may or may not be found guily OR be acquitted. Orenthal James was acquitted but the Brown and Goldman families won in civil court on a "wrongful death" suit against Orenthal... Granted, they'll never see the judgement dollar wise but they still won.

In my opinion, the Odin Lloyd family has every right to move forward with this suit.

Playoffs
01-08-2014, 01:55 PM
Police believe Hernandez drove vehicle on night of 2012 killings (http://www.bostonglobe.com/2014/01/08/documents-car-believed-driven-aaron-hernandez-circled-victims-double-murder-boston-south-end/X2wmznQCQs4bFm2pMvucLK/story.html)
While the documents make it clear that it is unknown who pulled the trigger, investigators allege that video evidence show a vehicle -- allegedly driven by Hernandez -- circling the block, waiting for the victims to exit the club and to get to their car, seemingly stalking them before the shooting.

Police say video shows Hernandez arriving at 12:04 a.m. early that morning, driving a 2006 Toyota 4Runner, and additional video then shows him entering Cure nightclub immediately behind the victims, according to the affidavit.

The document provides a narrative, based on video evidence, that details Hernandez’s alleged movements on the night of the double shooting.

Hernandez and an accomplice - who investigators later identified as Alexander Bradley - were recorded on tape during their time in the club. He spent just 10 minutes inside, downing two drinks, before exiting, the documents state.

The victims did not exit the club until after 2 a.m., and at 2:32 a.m Boston police responded to a report of six shots fired.

Witnesses told police that an SUV resembling the one driven that night by Hernandez pulled up next to the vehicle driven by the victims and one of the occupants opened fire.
But, just days after Hernandez was formally implicated in the Lloyd murder investigation, a tipster called police to tell them that he believed Lloyd’s killing was tied to the South End shootings.

The tipster, who was later identified as a security supervisor at Rumor Nightclub -- where Lloyd and Hernandez had partied two nights before Lloyd’s killing -- said that the Lloyd killing was linked to the South End killing. Asked how he knew that, he told police: “someone accidentally spilled the beans in front of me.”

Investigators have filed a search warrant to obtain jailhouse phone calls made by Bradley, who has been imprisoned after he skipped out on a grand jury subpoena, in which he allegedly discusses the details of the double murder.

Playoffs
01-17-2014, 03:15 PM
Scott Isaacs ‏@ScottIsaacs
Bristol County Sheriff says Aaron Hernandez will NOT be allowed to watch AFC Championship Game in jail #patriots #wcvb

Playoffs
02-01-2014, 12:31 PM
Hernandez prosecutors will not ask Carlos Ortiz to testify (http://www.tauntongazette.com/article/20140131/NEWS/140138963)

Prosecutors will not call Carlos Ortiz to testify against Aaron Hernandez at trial because they believe Ortiz is "completely unreliable," according to new documents filed Friday in superior court.

Ortiz, 27, also made a "proffer" — an offer made prior to the start of formal negotiations — during a meeting with prosecutors, according to a Dec. 16 letter that Hernandez's lawyers sent to First Assistant District Attorney William McCauley, one of the lead prosecutors in the Hernandez murder case.

For months, Ortiz, a codefendant charged with accessory to murder after the fact, was thought to be a key prosecution witness against Hernandez, 24, the former Patriots star tight end who is charged with the June 17, 2013, murder of Odin Lloyd in the North Attleborough Industrial Park.

When he was first arrested last summer in his hometown of Bristol, Conn., Ortiz told police that Hernandez and Ernest Wallace, 44, were outside their vehicle in the industrial park when Lloyd was shot five times with a .45-caliber handgun. Ortiz said he was sleeping, heard a gunshot and then saw Wallace and Hernandez return to the vehicle.

Ortiz also recounted conversations between Hernandez and Lloyd in the vehicle, told police that he saw Hernandez carrying a handgun and made apparent references to Hernandez's alleged "flophouse" in Franklin, which "other football players used" and where investigators said they found evidence, including clothing and ammunition, according to court documents.

Those police reports fueled speculation that Ortiz would be the prosecution's star witness. But in recent months, it came to light that Ortiz had changed his story to say Hernandez was alone with Lloyd outside the vehicle...


Can they still secure a conviction...?

Coolhandsluke2
02-03-2014, 02:45 PM
Man Who Sued Aaron Hernandez Shot At Hartford Club

"HARTFORD — A man who accused former New England Patriot Aaron Hernandez of shooting him in the eye last February was shot again Sunday outside a Hartford bar, and now is in custody after, police say, he retrieved a gun from his car and fired at the front of the bar in retaliation.

Alexander Bradley, 31, an East Hartford native who formerly was a close friend of Hernandez, was shot three times in the leg by an unknown gunman outside Vevo Lounge in Hartford's South End."

Full article

http://www.courant.com/community/hartford/hc-hartford-shooting-alexander-bradley-0204-20140203,0,5786193.story



:kitten:

Playoffs
02-03-2014, 02:57 PM
Man Who Sued Aaron Hernandez Shot At Hartford Club

Not "if"... "when". http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq193/rjesps/ReachLogoSubmissionBothLayers.jpg

Coolhandsluke2
02-04-2014, 04:14 PM
Not "if"... "when". http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq193/rjesps/ReachLogoSubmissionBothLayers.jpg

Not following.

Playoffs
02-04-2014, 04:47 PM
Not following.

That Bradley will be sleeping with the fishes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7RMKq8RQj4).

Coolhandsluke2
02-04-2014, 06:49 PM
Gotcha, yep

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk

drs23
02-04-2014, 08:01 PM
That's a pretty good way to make an "unreliable witness". His cred SHOT again. Damn the luck.

Corrosion
02-05-2014, 01:07 AM
I wonder what actual evidence they will have to prosecute this tool with, seems their case is falling apart at the seams.

Did they ever find the weapon ?

Everything they have other than that seems circumstantial or ... hearsay.


Dude's goin for a ride , but he may beat the rap.

Marcus
02-07-2014, 11:14 AM
I wonder what actual evidence they will have to prosecute this tool with, seems their case is falling apart at the seams.

Did they ever find the weapon ?

Everything they have other than that seems circumstantial or ... hearsay.

Dude's goin for a ride , but he may beat the rap.

Hmmm . . Listening to NFL Network today. The prosecution is panicking. The star witness is completely unreliable, and will not testify. They are still searching for the weapon, and if they haven't found it by now, they never will.

Dude's gonna walk.

Dutchrudder
02-07-2014, 11:31 AM
He will definitely get multiple obstruction of justice charges against him for the max. That will be the least he can walk away with.

Playoffs
02-07-2014, 11:42 AM
He will definitely get multiple obstruction of justice charges against him for the max. That will be the least he can walk away with.

Plus they'll leverage charges against his baby-mama, co-conspirator against him. Prison for her, or make a deal. If he says "no" she'll roll.

Corrosion
02-07-2014, 02:48 PM
Plus they'll leverage charges against his baby-mama, co-conspirator against him. Prison for her, or make a deal. If he says "no" she'll roll.

I don't know that she'll do that , she could end up swimming with the fishes before it came to that. She may well take the fall ...

paycheck71
02-07-2014, 02:51 PM
The gun charges alone will put him in prison for many years. Gun laws are different in MA than in TX.

Dutchrudder
02-08-2014, 12:28 PM
The gun charges alone will put him in prison for many years. Gun laws are different in MA than in TX.

How can you convict a guy of gun charges if they couldn't find the gun?

infantrycak
02-08-2014, 12:35 PM
How can you convict a guy of gun charges if they couldn't find the gun?

Doesn't have to be the murder weapon. They have video and found him with unregistered firearms and ammo in violation of state law. He could make a constitutional challenge to the laws but facially he broke them.

Corrosion
02-08-2014, 06:51 PM
Doesn't have to be the murder weapon. They have video and found him with unregistered firearms and ammo in violation of state law. He could make a constitutional challenge to the laws but facially he broke them.

Two questions:

1 - Do you think they have enough to convict him on the murder charge , it really seems to me to all be , bits & pieces , circumstantial or unreliable.


2 - What's the worst case scenario on the gun charges ?

paycheck71
02-08-2014, 11:47 PM
Two questions:

1 - Do you think they have enough to convict him on the murder charge , it really seems to me to all be , bits & pieces , circumstantial or unreliable.


2 - What's the worst case scenario on the gun charges ?

on 2, it seems like 2.5 to 5 years in prison with some caveats according to THIS (http://www.noonancriminaldefense.com/weapons-charges/unlawful-possession-of-a-firearm.html)

Playoffs
02-25-2014, 06:07 PM
Aaron Hernandez ATTACKED another inmate at Bristol County Jail earlier today ... and we're told he beat the guy up pretty good ...

Sources tell us the former New England Patriots tight end -- who is usually segregated from the general population -- was allowed to take a walk in an isolated hallway ... but somehow came into contact with another inmate.

We're told Hernandez recognized the other inmate and launched into an attack -- beating the other man up pretty badly.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/02/25/aaron-hernandez-jail-fight-attacks-inmate/

IDEXAN
04-05-2014, 09:53 AM
The attorney for Carlos Ortiz, an associate of Aaron Hernandez who was charged in the murder of Odin Lloyd, said his client is unlikely to testify against the former NFL star. Ortiz was expected to be the prosecution's star witness; with Ortiz unlikely to take the stand against his friend, the Commonwealth's case against Hernandez may have weakened.

Court documents released over the summer indicate Ortiz was, at least at one point, cooperating with law enforcement. His cooperation led to the speculation that Ortiz would be the prosecution's star witness in the Commonwealth's case against Hernandez.
Ortiz's attorney, John J. Connors Jr., dismissed that notion on Wednesday after his client's court hearing was rescheduled.

"I don't believe he's going to be a witness, to tell you the truth," Connors told reporters, via the Boston Herald. "If people are going on the assumption that because the court dates were moved around we're cooperating, or we're doing stuff because he's cooperating, that's not the case."

The hearing was rescheduled to Jan. 9 to provide Connors sufficient time to examine the Commonwealth's evidence against Ortiz, who pleaded not guilty last month to the charge of being an accessory to murder after the fact.

It's uncertain if the prosecution ever intended to call Ortiz to the stand as a witness. Court documents, according to the Boston Globe and Hartford Courant, show Ortiz told investigators Hernandez left the vehicle with Lloyd on the night of the murder and that Hernandez later hid the firearm in a box in the basement.

If the prosecution did plan to call Ortiz to the stand his credibility would be questioned by the defense; Ortiz has already changed his story at least once about the events leading up to Lloyd's death.

http://www.hngn.com/articles/17951/20131122/aaron-hernandez-case-weakens-witness-now-unlikely-testify-murder-trial.htm?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_112137

Playoffs
04-11-2014, 09:26 PM
More than one way to skin a cat...

Two associates of Aaron Hernandez are indicted on murder charges (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/04/11/aaron-hernandez-associates-charged-with-murder/U2bNPUBznMHzGLXH8HY9rK/story.html)

Carlos Ortiz, 27, and Ernest Wallace, 41, were charged months ago as accessories after the fact in the slaying of Odin L. Lloyd, whose bullet-riddled body was found in an industrial yard near Hernandez’s North Attleborough home last June.

But on Friday, Bristol District Attorney C. Samuel Sutter’s office announced that a grand jury had handed up murder indictments against Ortiz and Wallace, both of Bristol, Conn. No explanation was given for the indictments, and Sutter’s spokesman declined further comment.

Rosanna Cavallaro, a criminal law professor at Suffolk University and former assistant attorney general, said Friday that the new indictments do not necessarily mean plea deals are out of the question.

“Now that you’ve actually been indicted [for murder], that probably has a stronger coercive effect than the possibility [of a murder charge] looming, and not yet real,” said Cavallaro, who also practiced in the law office of renowned defense attorney Alan M. Dershowitz.

But Gerard T. Leone Jr., a former Middlesex district attorney now working in private practice at Nixon Peabody, said either man’s credibility could be questioned if they testified against Hernandez only after being indicted for murder.

He also said charging Ortiz and Wallace with the killing could make it easier to convince a jury to convict Hernandez for murder as a joint venturer.

“It’s a much more difficult case to have Hernandez as the sole person charged with murder,” he said. “You have no joint venture theory against people who are charged with different charges and not the murder. ... You can try to proceed if that’s your theory, but if you think about doubt and reasonable doubt, the optics alone are difficult.”

Cavallaro echoed those comments, saying that if only Hernandez was charged with murder, jurors “might be puzzled as to why he’s the one holding the bag, if all three of them were together.”

CloakNNNdagger
04-18-2014, 09:07 AM
They are going after Hernandez with whatever it takes.


Man arrested in connection with Aaron Hernandez case

By Travis Andersen | Globe Staff April 17, 2014

The arrest of Oscar Hernandez Jr. was part of a probe of gun trafficking between Florida and Massachusetts.

A Florida man has been indicted on charges of lying to a federal grand jury in Boston that was investigating alleged interstate gun trafficking in a case linked to Aaron Hernandez, the former New England Patriot charged with murdering a Dorchester man.

Oscar “Papoo” Hernandez Jr., 23, of Orlando, is charged with lying to the grand jury in December, according to an indictment unsealed Thursday in US District Court in Boston. The panel was investigating the “transportation of firearms” from Florida to Massachusetts.

The grand jury probe was prompted, in part, by a federal review of three firearms that Massachusetts State Police recovered during an investigation into “a June 17, 2013 homicide in North Attleboro,” the indictment said. The only homicide in North Attleborough that day was the early morning shooting of Odin L. Lloyd, 27. His body was found in an industrial yard near Aaron Hernandez’s home.

Aaron Hernandez, 24, has pleaded not guilty to murder and weapons charges in connection with Lloyd’s death and is being held without bail.

On Thursday, a federal judge in Florida ordered Oscar Hernandez detained until his transfer to Massachusetts to face the indictment. A lawyer who represented him did not respond to inquiries seeking comment.

The indictment accuses Oscar Hernandez of lying to the Boston grand jury on Dec. 4, when he testified that he did not purchase a Toyota Camry last April in Florida or have it shipped to Massachusetts.

State Police investigators in Massachusetts executed a search warrant on the Camry on June 22 at the North Attleborough residence of a man identified only as John Doe #3, and they recovered a rifle from the vehicle, according to the indictment. A law enforcement official briefed on the investigation said that John Doe #3 is Aaron Hernandez.
THE REST OF THE STORY (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/04/17/federal-prosecutors-announce-new-arrest-related-aaron-hernandez-case/LBhhxrWI4gvtB0Vo7COPKN/story.html)

Playoffs
05-15-2014, 11:41 AM
Aaron Hernandez indicted for 2012 double-murder drive-by (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/05/15/major-development-double-murder-boston-allegedly-linked-aaron-hernandez-expected-today/BsgHVHBOWRSb2IGZ50qifK/story.html)
Former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez was indicted today on two counts of first-degree murder for the killings of two men in Boston’s South End in 2012 (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/07/16/two-people-shot-and-killed-south-end-third-person-wounded-officials-say/14Ep21CdgjYhjUfHkiJlUN/story.html) who were shot to death after allegedly encountering Hernandez in a nightclub, two officials briefed on the case said.

Hernandez is accused of murdering Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado. The two men were shot to death on July 16, 2012, while stopped at a traffic light by someone who drove up alongside them in an SUV with Rhode Island plates and opened fire.

Hernandez already faced charges in the murder of Odin L. Lloyd of Boston, who was found slain in a North Attleborough industrial park near Hernandez’s home in June 2013.

The new charges raise the disturbing possibility that Hernandez played games during the 2012-2013 season after murdering two men...
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24563496/report-aaron-hernandez-indicted-for-double-murder-drive-by
According to relatives of the two men killed in the shooting, Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado, neither knew Hernandez. Both worked for a cleaning company and didn't have criminal records. The shooting took place at a red light, shortly after the men had left the Cure Lounge in Boston's Theater District.

"They just came up and started firing for no reason at all," the alleged eyewitness told Fox 25 last fall. "We never had any trouble. We were not those kind of people. We were just having fun. … Things happened so fast. I was trying to defend myself. They were shooting everywhere inside the car, front to back. They just came to kill. That's it."

MightyTExan
05-15-2014, 02:28 PM
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Playoffs
05-15-2014, 02:43 PM
Aaron Hernandez's behavior more 'gangster' than serial killer (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/05/15/aaron-hernandez-murders-serial-killer-model/9123941/)
Aaron Hernandez [is] a man who police say killed three people, and tried to kill more.

But this doesn't necessarily mean Hernandez is a serial killer, said Helen Morrison, a forensic psychiatrist who has done extensive research on some of America's most notorious killers.

"A serial killer is a person with a very severe lack of personality structure. He's not a person," Morrison told USA TODAY Sports prior to two new murder indictments that were made public Thursday. "The serial killer just almost has a sense of continuing to kill as an act. It doesn't have any motive. It doesn't have emotion attached to it. It doesn't fit in the context or anger or revenge or the things that we think people commit homicides for."
...
"What we see in this guy, Hernandez, is motive. Anger and rage are motive. Whether he thinks he's being wronged or taken advantage, he's just going to kill people," Morrison said. "He just seems to be a guy with a tremendous amount of rage. He doesn't seem to be psychotic or mentally ill, like a lot of the mass shooters are, just sort of does what he wants to do. "
...
"[Serial killers] have no attachment to human beings," Morrison said. "This guy seems to have had a posse, obviously they admire him, would go along with almost anything he said. The celebrity groupie person will forgive anything, as long as they were with this guy."
...
Dr. Carl Taylor, a sociology professor at Michigan State who has studied gang culture for more than 30 years, said Hernandez... brought to mind old-school mobsters, an organized crime boss rather than petty criminal, "This is not simply about gang signs. This is being a gangster at a high level," Taylor said prior to the two new indictments. "He doesn't seem to be shaken."
...
If she had the chance to study or interview him, Morrison said she would focus on Hernandez's childhood and family history.

"A whole bunch of things to find out how, up until age 18, how did this kid function?" Morrison said. "Because you can't build a building without a foundation, and nobody just wakes up one day and becomes a murderer, or becomes narcissistic personality disorder. That is definitely developmental."

houstonspartan
05-15-2014, 02:49 PM
Aaron Hernandez's behavior more 'gangster' than serial killer (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/05/15/aaron-hernandez-murders-serial-killer-model/9123941/)

Thanks for sharing. Interesting.

From everything I've read, Hernandez was very close to his dad, and was a totally normal kid. Then, his dad died unexpectedly during a routine medical procedure, and Hernandez apparently never recovered from that.

I'm not a shrink, but, maybe he felt abanonded and that led to severe rage/anger issues. Teen boys need their dads.

(Not that any of this is an excuse for murder).

CloakNNNdagger
05-15-2014, 05:50 PM
Thanks for sharing. Interesting.

From everything I've read, Hernandez was very close to his dad, and was a totally normal kid. Then, his dad died unexpectedly during a routine medical procedure, and Hernandez apparently never recovered from that.

I'm not a shrink, but, maybe he felt abanonded and that led to severe rage/anger issues. Teen boys need their dads.

(Not that any of this is an excuse for murder).

I'm glad you qualified your comments. These events are NO excuse for murder. I've known many patients and acquaintances that were beaten savagely by their parents..........but later grew up with no violent tendencies.......in fact, with greater appreciation for compasionate social interaction. Hernandez is at very least a sociopath, if not a total psychopath.......and as such has innate character that has never had nor ever will have the ability to live among fellow human beings.

CloakNNNdagger
05-16-2014, 01:53 PM
Hernandez could have enough money to call for more witness "hits" from the License Plate Factory.

Hernandez contractual clause may not help Patriots get money back (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/16/hernandez-contractual-clause-may-not-help-patriots-get-money-back/)Posted by Mike Florio on May 16, 2014, 12:31 PM EDT
Hernandez Reuters

With Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez facing double murder charges from an incident occurring before he signed a long-term deal that paid a $12.5 million signing bonus, the team surely will do whatever it can to try to recover as much of the money as possible.

As explained Thursday, their decision to cut him makes that effort much more difficult. The Patriots should have retained his rights (like the Falcons did from 2007 through 2009 with Mike Vick), which would have allowed them to recover up to $10 million in signing bonus money, if Hernandez ultimately was unable to play from 2013 through 2016 due to incarceration.

CBS Boston has offered up a different take, based on a January 2013 report from former agent Joel Corry. Said Corry at the time: “Hernandez’s contract contains a clause where he represents and warrants that there weren’t any existing circumstances when he signed his deal that would prevent his continued availability throughout the contract. Committing or participating in a double murder should meet this standard. There’s another clause explicitly stating that the Patriots wouldn’t have entered into the contract except for Hernandez’s representations.”

The language cited by Corry doesn’t appear in the Standard Player Contract, which means that (if the report is accurate), the Patriots and Hernandez separately agreed to that language. Even so, the presence of the language doesn’t mean that the Patriots will be able to recover bonus money in a way that conflicts with the terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Paragraph 21 of the Standard Player Contract states that, if the player’s contract conflicts with the CBA, the CBA prevails. And the CBA sets forth the exclusive procedure for obtaining a forfeiture of money paid to the player.

At Article 4, Section 9, the CBA spells out the circumstances that allow money to be recovered. A “forfeitable breach” happens when a player under contract, for one of several reasons (including being in jail), fails to show up for work. If the Patriots hadn’t cut Hernandez, and if he had been unable to show up for work from 2013 through 2016, they could have recovered up to $10 million of his $12.5 million signing bonus.

But they cut him. By cutting him, they lost the ability to recover any of his signing bonus based on his failure to show up for work in any of the five years of the contract that the bonus covered, at $2.5 million per year.

The language Corry mentions, if it’s indeed in the contract, shouldn’t matter. The CBA takes precedence.

And if the Patriots push the issue of the contractual language too aggressively, they’ll at some point invite more pointed questions from the media and fans about why they gave Hernandez a $12.5 million signing bonus without knowing everything there was to know about whether Hernandez had done or would do something that would keep him from working by virtue of his employment in a state-run license-plate factory.

Playoffs
05-21-2014, 01:52 PM
Aaron Hernandez's Tattoos May Contain Clues To Murders (http://deadspin.com/aaron-hernandezs-tattoos-may-contain-clues-to-his-alleg-1579607033)
Authorities investigating Aaron Hernandez for the 2012 double-murder on which he was indicted last week have put out a public call for help: They're looking to speak with tattoo artists who did work on Hernandez's right forearm, reportedly under the belief that Hernandez may have gotten some ink to commemorate his role in the shooting...


Bart Hubbuch ‏@HubbuchNYP
Authorities think the "Shot 2 Guys In Boston on 7/16/12" tattoo on Aaron Hernandez's arm might be a clue.

CloakNNNdagger
05-21-2014, 02:42 PM
Aaron Hernandez's Tattoos May Contain Clues To Murders (http://deadspin.com/aaron-hernandezs-tattoos-may-contain-clues-to-his-alleg-1579607033)



Bart Hubbuch ‏@HubbuchNYP


A clue???????? Ya think????????:facepalm:

WolverineFan
05-21-2014, 03:34 PM
What an idiot.

Playoffs
05-28-2014, 03:05 PM
Prosecution: Aaron Hernandez Killed Two Men Over A Spilled Drink (http://deadspin.com/prosecution-aaron-hernandez-killed-two-men-over-spille-1582770429)
According to the D.A., Abreu accidentally bumped into Hernandez, spilling a drink, and did not apologize. This infuriated Hernandez, who according to the prosecution felt he had been increasingly disrespected at clubs. Surveillance video captured Hernandez angrily pacing outside the club before the victims left.

The victims had no idea Hernandez was angry at them, let alone that he was following them when they left the club. According to the prosecution, Hernandez pulled up alongside their car at a stop light, said "Yo, what's up now, [racial slur]?" and fired at least five shots...

Blake
05-28-2014, 03:52 PM
I love how the title still shows that A-Hern is to be questioned.

thunderkyss
05-29-2014, 01:32 AM
Hernandez Pleads Not Guilty (http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/10996257/aaron-hernandez-former-new-england-patriots-tight-end-pleads-not-guilty-2012-shooting)

Hernandez, already charged with killing another man last year, pleaded not guilty Wednesday to seven charges -- including two counts of first-degree murder -- in the July 2012 shooting that killed Daniel de Abreu and Safiro Furtado. A third man was wounded.

Heath Shuler
05-29-2014, 08:58 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bo14JU5IMAAnwEM.jpg

EllisUnit
05-29-2014, 09:11 PM
Thanks for sharing. Interesting.

From everything I've read, Hernandez was very close to his dad, and was a totally normal kid. Then, his dad died unexpectedly during a routine medical procedure, and Hernandez apparently never recovered from that.

I'm not a shrink, but, maybe he felt abanonded and that led to severe rage/anger issues. Teen boys need their dads.

(Not that any of this is an excuse for murder).

My father before suicide in 2005, locked me and my mother in a room put chains on the door poured gas in the house and lit it on fire my grandmother drove into the front of the house and saved us. He also shot at us, beat us then eventually committed suicide in 2005. He was only this way while he was drinking which he did alot when he wasnt drinking he was the best father a boy could ask for, this is why i rarely drink.

Point is that everyone has a sad story blah blah blah but nothing gives anyone the right to take someone elses life, nothing.

drs23
05-29-2014, 09:21 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bo14JU5IMAAnwEM.jpg

Very well played Heath Shuler. :D

rep your way

Playoffs
05-29-2014, 10:59 PM
My father before suicide in 2005, locked me and my mother in a room put chains on the door poured gas in the house and lit it on fire my grandmother drove into the front of the house and saved us. He also shot at us, beat us then eventually committed suicide in 2005. He was only this way while he was drinking which he did alot when he wasnt drinking he was the best father a boy could ask for, this is why i rarely drink.

Point is that everyone has a sad story blah blah blah but nothing gives anyone the right to take someone elses life, nothing.

Not everybody carries those types of visions of their childhood... has experienced those terrors at the hand of a parent. It was wrong you had to go through that. I'm sorry for your father's loss, as well.


Hernandez chose his lifestyle, and became increasingly irrationally, murderously paranoid. He'll get his.

CloakNNNdagger
05-29-2014, 11:23 PM
My father before suicide in 2005, locked me and my mother in a room put chains on the door poured gas in the house and lit it on fire my grandmother drove into the front of the house and saved us. He also shot at us, beat us then eventually committed suicide in 2005. He was only this way while he was drinking which he did alot when he wasnt drinking he was the best father a boy could ask for, this is why i rarely drink.

Point is that everyone has a sad story blah blah blah but nothing gives anyone the right to take someone elses life, nothing.

I have heard so many stories like yours......but each one always unique in their own way. Thanks for sharing your personal story. There is no doubt that it took a great deal of effort to emerge as the responsible father and husband you have obviously become. I can hardly imagine how such a childhood history would have ultimately affected me as I went through life, although I would have never allowed myself to turn to murder under any circumstances. Again thanks for sharing.

Playoffs
05-31-2014, 09:59 AM
Breaking my heart... :violin

Aaron Hernandez apparently having trouble paying his mounting legal bills (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/aaron-hernandez-having-trouble-paying-legal-bills-053014)

CloakNNNdagger
05-31-2014, 10:28 AM
Breaking my heart... :violin

Aaron Hernandez apparently having trouble paying his mounting legal bills (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/aaron-hernandez-having-trouble-paying-legal-bills-053014)

I would guess that, after all the new information that has come out, his attorneys no longer believe his case still has a chance for an OJ ending, with all the ultimate positive legal publicity they could gain, and no longer want to shove a fortune up a goat's ass.............i.e., Hernandez's ass. Besides, being in prison for so long, it should already be fully-occupied by other things.

EllisUnit
05-31-2014, 10:43 AM
Lets start up a free Hernandez foundation.... :kitten:

Before you all start bashing me that was a JOKE hence the cute little kitten ;)

ChampionTexan
05-31-2014, 10:58 AM
Lets start up a free Hernandez foundation.... :kitten:

Before you all start bashing me that was a JOKE hence the cute little kitten ;)

The Pouncey twins have beaten you to the punch:
http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/400/img/photos/2013/07/15/59/68/pouncey-bigger.JPG

EllisUnit
05-31-2014, 11:00 AM
The Pouncey twins have beaten you to the punch:
http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/400/img/photos/2013/07/15/59/68/pouncey-bigger.JPG

Yeah but i dont think they are joking :rake:

drs23
05-31-2014, 04:50 PM
The Pouncey twins have beaten you to the punch:
http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/400/img/photos/2013/07/15/59/68/pouncey-bigger.JPG

ChampionTexan beat me to the punch that your idea has already been beaten to the punch by the twin Pounceys.

Playoffs
06-14-2014, 02:11 PM
Dismissal motion up next in Commonwealth v. Aaron Hernandez

Read more: http://masslawyersweekly.com/2014/06/11/dismissal-motion-up-next-in-commonwealth-v-aaron-hernandez/#ixzz34de5xz3m

bayoudreamn
06-14-2014, 09:53 PM
I would guess that, after all the new information that has come out, his attorneys no longer believe his case still has a chance for an OJ ending, with all the ultimate positive legal publicity they could gain, and no longer want to shove a fortune up a goat's ass.............i.e., Hernandez's ass. Besides, being in prison for so long, it should already be fully-occupied by other things.

Someone might have tried. He was involved in a "prison incident"....it appears to have worked out poorly for the other party.

Playoffs
06-16-2014, 09:57 AM
Judge sounds like she's going to throw out some seizures of electronic storage devices -- cellphones/iPads -- because the affidavit for the search warrant wasn't stapled to the warrant. SMH.

CloakNNNdagger
06-18-2014, 09:03 AM
Hernandez D appears to be getting desperate.

Full Court Press: Insanity defense? Aaron Hernandez lawyers want med records (http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2014/06/full_court_press_insanity_defense_aaron_hernandez_ lawyers_want)
Wednesday, June 18, 2014
By Bob McGovern

Aaron Hernandez’s legal team is bearing down on the New England Patriots in an attempt to gain access to a treasure trove of medical records that could play right into an insanity defense for the tattooed former tight end.

Michael Fee and James Sultan, the all-star defense duo for the disgraced former Pro Bowler in the Odin L. Lloyd murder case, want all records concerning Hernandez’s “psychological testing, medication records, X-rays, MRIs, CT scans (and) drug or alcohol abuse-related reports” while with the Patriots, according to yesterday’s filing. If the Pats cough the records up — or if a judge forces them to — Hernandez could carry that file all the way to a jury.

“They could be setting up a defense that perhaps he wasn’t in his right mind that night, either by a mental health issue that he had or some type of drug or alcohol he was under the influence of, or both,” said David Yannetti, a criminal defense attorney not involved in the case.

Hernandez, 24, faces an Oct. 6 trial in the murder of semi-pro football player Odin L. Lloyd of Dorchester a year ago yesterday in North Attleboro. He also faces other charges in a double murder in Boston. The medical file in the Lloyd case is fast becoming a major issue and the Patriots, so far, refuse to respond.

In Massachusetts, first-degree murder requires “deliberately premeditated malice aforethought.” If the Patriots’ records show that Hernandez was mentally impaired — either by drugs, concussions or something else — the charge of first-degree murder could be off the table.

“The only thing that makes sense to me is if there’s a possibility that he had a pre-existing mental condition that’s demonstrated through some of the Patriots’ background information,” said Tim Burke, a former Suffolk prosecutor not involved in the case.

It could also push the trial back. Should defense attorneys get their hands on some insanity-defense evidence, experts need to be called in.

If the prosecutors establish the events leading up to Lloyd’s death, however, “there’s so much out there that suggests that there was a premeditated act … it would essentially nullify any insanity defense,” Burke added.

The information on those files could also be used against prosecutors.

“Some of these records may be protected by 
HIPPA. If the Patriots released them without his authority to prosecutors, there may be a violation of the HIPPA laws regarding privacy,” Burke said of the medical privacy law. “Maybe they’re looking to see if prosecutors already have them, in which case there could be a violation.”

If it turns out prosecutors got their hands on the former NFL player’s records first, and didn’t get them by court-approved methods, the evidence could be kept away from jurors if defense attorneys ask.

It could also just be that Hernandez’s attorneys don’t want to be caught sleeping when prosecutors start laying out their case.

Part of being prepared means knowing your client, inside and out.

Playoffs
06-18-2014, 09:33 AM
http://www.majoronions.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/twinkies.jpg

Playoffs
06-19-2014, 12:54 PM
Judge sounds like she's going to throw out some seizures of electronic storage devices -- cellphones/iPads -- because the affidavit for the search warrant wasn't stapled to the warrant. SMH.

Argued this today. Judge is a b-i-t-c-h.

Feed was choppy, but I think we're between stapled vs. paper-clipped. :wadepalm:

CloakNNNdagger
06-20-2014, 07:22 PM
New England Patriots added to wrongful death suit against Aaron Hernandez (http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/19/justice/aaron-hernandez-patriots-lawsuit/)


By Lorenzo Ferrigno, CNN

updated 10:50 PM EDT, Thu June 19, 2014

Watch "Downward Spiral: Inside the Case Against Aaron Hernandez" on Tuesday, June 24, at 9 p.m. ET on CNN.

New York (CNN) -- The families of two men who were fatally shot are suing the New England Patriots and its owners to prevent the football team from paying former player Aaron Hernandez, who has been charged in their slayings.

The NFL team and its owner's company, Kraft Enterprises, have been named as co-defendants in a $6 million civil wrongful death lawsuit along with Hernandez.

The attorney for the families is asking the court to prohibit the Patriots and its owners from paying Hernandez $3.25 million and other funds that may become due to Hernandez, who has pleaded not guilty to the murder charges.

The National Football League Players Association has filed a grievance on behalf of the former tight end after the team failed to pay him the multimillion-dollar sum, which was due in March, the lawsuit says.

The wrongful death lawsuit was originally filed in February on behalf of the families of Daniel de Abreu and Safiro Furtado, according to court papers.

The lawsuit alleges that the victims' families have sustained both fiscal and emotional damages.

Prosecutors say that in July 2012, Hernandez fatally shot de Abreu and Furtado in their car after de Abreu accidentally bumped into Hernandez and spilled his drink at a nightclub earlier in the evening.

"We are seeking to have the families who have been victimized by these deaths have some assets set aside that they may be somehow compensated," according to a written statement from William Kennedy, the families' attorney. "The two young men in our case both supported their mothers with their modest earnings. That support and emotional attachment has been lost forever.

"Our information is that Hernandez has received over $11M in compensation in the 3 years as a Patriot," Kennedy added. "Part of his funds and assets should be set aside for the victims of his crime. The victims should be compensated."

CNN has reached out to the Patriots and Kraft Enterprises but has not yet received a response.

CloakNNNdagger
06-20-2014, 07:27 PM
Hernandez's next scheduled hearing in Fall River Superior Court is July 7, 3 p.m., for a compliance check on discovery materials and the filing of a pretrial conference report. The judge will probably issue her ruling on the suppression/dismissal motions by then.


The trial date for Hernandez in Fall River was "penciled in" for Oct. 6, but that is likely to change as the case proceeds forward with motions and counter-motions, and possibly appeals.


One interesting thing to note: the defense team hinted it may request a change of venue because of the intense pretrial publicity. As to where that new venue would be is up in the air, as it remains difficult to imagine any jurisdiction in Massachusetts, or pretty much almost all of New England east of New Haven for that matter, where the Hernandez case has not generated a lot of attention and news coverage. link (http://www.tauntongazette.com/article/20140618/NEWS/140616026/1994/?Start=2)

You can run, but you can't hide.:specnatz:

Playoffs
07-03-2014, 12:17 PM
http://cosbysweaters.nextimpulsemedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/BrYXrEcIYAAYCV3.jpg

Aaron Hernandez is Mr. July in 2014 Florida Gators calendar (http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2014/07/01/aaron-hernandez-trial-murder-appears-gators-calendar/11953113/)
Ex-Florida and New England Patriots star tight end Aaron Hernandez, jailed while awaiting trial in the killings of three men, is Mr. July in the Gators’ 2014 sports calendar and is featured in a Patriots calendar produced by the same company...
:bravo:

Playoffs
07-07-2014, 02:38 PM
BostInno ‏@BostInno
BREAKING: Aaron Hernandez allowed to transfer jails closer to Boston, as ruled by a judge in a court hearing http://bit.ly/1qON6nD

cuppacoffee
07-07-2014, 03:11 PM
BostInno ‏@BostInno

Quote:
BREAKING: Aaron Hernandez allowed to transfer jails closer to Boston, as ruled by a judge in a court hearing http://bit.ly/1qON6nD


More breaking news: Judge E. Susan Garsh today made the final payment on her home, bought a new car and added a sizable sum to her retirement fund.

Isn't the Amercan justice system great?

I am sure I/you would have been shown the same courtesy. :sarcasm: For those who need it.

:coffee:

Playoffs
07-09-2014, 08:34 PM
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/07/09/aaron-hernandez-defense-due-court-patriots-records/aV0uaHw2tKqbucJH7DQQFN/story.html
The New England Patriots have offered to turn over 317 pages of Aaron Hernandez’s medical and personnel records to the lawyers defending the former Patriots player, who faces murder charges in both Bristol and Suffolk Counties, a Patriots lawyer said today.

But the team does not want to turn over a 2010 NFL combine report on Hernandez or scouting reports from 2009 and 2010, Andrew Phelan, the team’s lawyer, said in a hearing in Bristol County Superior Court here.

Phelan said the defense was engaged in a “fishing expedition.”

But Hernandez defense attorney Michael Fee said the Patriots should turn over the final few pages. He described the combine report as a “psychological assessment” and said the defense was “looking for solid evidence about our client” that could help in Hernandez’s defense.
I wonder if National Scouting gets sucked into this?

CloakNNNdagger
07-14-2014, 06:16 PM
The ultra-private Belichick and Pats are not going to enjoy this.

Per PFT:


Texts from Belichick to Hernandez (33 pages) included in evidence
Posted by Darin Gantt on July 14, 2014, 3:10 PM EDT
New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick addresses the media regarding the criminal charges against Aaron Hernandez in Foxboro Reuters

The Patriots have worked extremely hard to distance themselves from Aaron Hernandez since he was first charged with murder, with owner Robert Kraft saying they were all “duped,” and coach Bill Belichick retreating to the safe haven of grunting about football.

But they still had to talk about their former tight end to Massachusetts detectives.

According to Jenny Wilson of the Hartford Courant, the statements from both Belichick and Kraft were among the pieces of evidence turned over to Hernandez’s defense attorneys, and made available Monday.

Prosecutors also turned over 33 pages of text messages between Belichick and Hernandez between February 2013 and May 2013, the four months leading up to the shooting death of Odin Lloyd.

That’s a load of communication between a coach and a player, especially a coach who doesn’t appear to LOL very often.

Detectives also interviewed director of football Berj Najarian, director of player personnel Nicholas Caserio and strength coach Moses Cabrera according to the list of documents which are entered into evidence.

The evidence also includes rental contracts for dozens of cars, going back to 2011.

EllisUnit
07-14-2014, 06:29 PM
The ultra-private Belichick and Pats are not going to enjoy this.

Per PFT:

i could see this part alone turning into a cluster F*ck, who knows what all was said. I didnt take Bill for the texting type !

Playoffs
07-14-2014, 06:31 PM
...33 pages of text messages between Belichick and Hernandez between February 2013 and May 2013

http://board.whatisfatmagulsfault.com/public/style_emoticons/default/faintingsmiley.gif

Playoffs
07-14-2014, 11:36 PM
Judge denies bid to suppress Hernandez evidence
(http://pro32.ap.org/article/judge-denies-bid-suppress-hernandez-evidence)
FALL RIVER, Mass. (AP) — A Massachusetts judge on Monday rejected a bid by lawyers for former New England Patriots player Aaron Hernandez to suppress evidence from a cellphone and video surveillance footage taken from his home during an investigation into the killing of a friend...

CloakNNNdagger
07-15-2014, 09:54 AM
Judge denies bid to suppress Hernandez evidence
(http://pro32.ap.org/article/judge-denies-bid-suppress-hernandez-evidence)

Thank G-d, it was being reported that there was a real chance, her decision would not go this way.

Playoffs
07-15-2014, 04:27 PM
Thank G-d, it was being reported that there was a real chance, her decision would not go this way.

AHern's lawyers will litigate every little bit of evidence until his money runs out. I expect many pretrial decisions -- I think "other" smartphones & iPads are up next(?)

Playoffs
07-21-2014, 11:04 AM
...33 pages of text messages between Belichick and Hernandez between February 2013 and May 2013

Patriots felt need to clarify that it was 33 or 34 text messages, not pages, fwiw.

drs23
07-21-2014, 01:53 PM
Patriots felt need to clarify that it was 33 or 34 text messages, not pages, fwiw.

Well, it does make a difference, but still, Billy B. ain't gonna like it.

Playoffs
07-23-2014, 09:09 PM
Hernandez Trial to Start Around the Same Time as NFL Playoffs (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2014/07/22/hernandez-trial-set-around-the-same-time-nfl-playoffs/JqY26YZq5uGDnMQpNo6KNM/story.html)
...the playoffs are scheduled to begin Jan. 3. Jury selection for the 2013 murder is scheduled to begin Jan. 9, according to The Globe.
...
Hernandez is also scheduled to stand trial for two charges of first-degree murder in the killings of Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado, who were shot to death on July 16, 2012 while stopped at a traffic light in Boston’s South End.

That trial is tentatively set to begin May 28, 2015.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_twLkpQAYoUg/TUcJFGM6P4I/AAAAAAAAAeU/CbIpc2J4bFM/s1600/rg.jpg

chicagotexan2
07-24-2014, 12:32 AM
http://cosbysweaters.nextimpulsemedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/BrYXrEcIYAAYCV3.jpg

Aaron Hernandez is Mr. July in 2014 Florida Gators calendar (http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2014/07/01/aaron-hernandez-trial-murder-appears-gators-calendar/11953113/)

:bravo:

Are the print press operators Ray lewis, Ray carruth, OJ Simpson & Leonard little?

Playoffs
09-30-2014, 08:18 PM
The Boston Globe ‏@BostonGlobe
Lawyers for Aaron Hernandez ask judge to move murder trial “outside the boundaries of the Boston media market.” http://ow.ly/C8qJJ

Like, sayyy, somewhere in the Indian Ocean?

Playoffs
10-01-2014, 02:50 PM
Video shows search of Aaron Hernandez home (http://www.wcvb.com/news/video-shows-search-of-aaron-hernandez-home/28354914)

paycheck71
10-07-2014, 08:54 PM
Bullet evidence thrown out in Aaron Hernandez case (http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/10/03/aaron-hernandez-trial-evidence-thrown-out)

A judge threw out evidence in the murder case of former New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, saying authorities did not have probable cause to search Hernandez’s rented apartment, reports the Associated Press.

CloakNNNdagger
11-26-2014, 12:04 PM
Aaron Hernandez Double Murder Trial Delayed Because of His Other Murder Trial (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/11/25/aaron-hernandez-double-murder-trial-delayed-because-his-other-murder-trial/qbj55mCa4azSVUBOkkrZmM/story.html)

By Eric Levenson
Boston.com Staff
November 25, 2014 4:32 PM

A judge agreed to delay former Patriots star Aaron Hernandez’s double murder trial after his lawyers successfully argued that his first murder trial would get in the way of preparations.

Hernandez’s attorneys asked that the double murder trial, originally scheduled to begin in May, be delayed six months. Suffolk Superior Court Judge Jeffrey Locke agreed to a delay, but said he wanted to see how long the other murder trial took before deciding on a date, The Boston Globe reports.

Hernandez has pleaded not guilty to the 2012 murders of Daniel de Abreu and Safiro Furtado, who were shot to death while stopped at a traffic light in Boston’s South End.

Hernandez also faces a first-degree murder charge for the death of Odin Lloyd, a semi-professional football player who was killed in North Attleborough in June 2013. That trial is slated to begin in January.

Because prosecutors could call up to 300 people as possible witnesses in Lloyd’s case, Hernandez’s lawyers asked for the delay to have enough time to prepare for the double murder trial.

“If [prosecutors] really call all those people, we’re going to be in Bristol for two or three months,” Charles Rankin, one of Hernandez’s lawyers, said in court. “That would make it impossible for us to be ready by May 28.”

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11-26-2014, 01:00 PM
It's hard juggling two murder trials simultaneously. Hernandez should've planned better.