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Wolf
06-07-2013, 03:42 PM
Violating league substance abuse policy
Also docked 2 more game checks
Per scoremobile app
It could have been longer if they counted his college failed tests


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22369928/josh-gordon-suspended-two-games-for-substance-abuse-violation

Coolhandsluke2
06-07-2013, 09:58 PM
Violating league substance abuse policy
Also docked 2 more game checks
Per scoremobile app
It could have been longer if they counted his college failed tests


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22369928/josh-gordon-suspended-two-games-for-substance-abuse-violation


Can someone please explain to me why the NFL does not release what they tested positive for? Pretty much letting the athletes make up whatever BS story they want.

Playoffs
06-08-2013, 07:01 PM
Can someone please explain to me why the NFL does not release what they tested positive for? Pretty much letting the athletes make up whatever BS story they want.

NFLPA negotiated that.

Of note generally...
Absent a violation of the law, a suspension under the substance-abuse policy happens only if a player commits multiple violations. For players like Josh Gordon...that’s a lot of violations to rack up in only one year.

Once a player is in the substance-abuse program, he knows he’s going to be tested. To end up getting suspended means that he has continued to test positive even when he knows he’s going to be tested — unless, of course, the subsequent violations come from failing to comply with the testing requirements.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/07/chudzinski-statement-says-little-while-saying-a-lot/

infantrycak
06-09-2013, 06:27 AM
Can someone please explain to me why the NFL does not release what they tested positive for? Pretty much letting the athletes make up whatever BS story they want.

That would be revealing private medical information. Can't do it without player consent.

thunderkyss
06-09-2013, 09:58 PM
That would be revealing private medical information. Can't do it without player consent.

Speaking of which, PFT reports Josh Gordon say (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/07/josh-gordon-codeine-in-strep-throat-medicine-triggered-suspension/)s he took cough medicine containing Codeine.

“In February, I was diagnosed with strep throat for which a doctor prescribed antibiotics and cough medicine. Apparently, the medicine I took contained codeine, which is prohibited by the NFL policy,” Gordon said in the statement.

Playoffs
05-09-2014, 05:13 PM
Josh Gordon faces season long suspension (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10908822/josh-gordon-cleveland-browns-faces-season-long-suspension)
Updated: May 9, 2014, 6:05 PM ET
By T.J. Quinn and Don Van Natta Jr. | ESPN.com
Cleveland Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon could face a season-long suspension after a second failed drug test months ago, this time for marijuana, sources told "Outside the Lines" on Friday.

Reached by phone Friday afternoon, Gordon said: "That's something you're going to have to talk to [agent] Drew Rosenhaus about. I really don't know anything about it."

Josh Gordon could face a season-long suspension after a second failed drug test months ago, this time for marijuana, sources told "Outside the Lines."

Asked whether he planned an appeal of his suspension and test, Gordon said, "I'm going to have to find out about that later. You need to call Drew," before hanging up.

CloakNNNdagger
05-09-2014, 05:23 PM
Josh Gordon faces season long suspension (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10908822/josh-gordon-cleveland-browns-faces-season-long-suspension)
Updated: May 9, 2014, 6:05 PM ET
By T.J. Quinn and Don Van Natta Jr. | ESPN.com

Gordon's had the habit forever now. Don't know if he'll ever be able to can it.

revan
05-10-2014, 07:08 AM
You can't take the stupid out of some people. How long is the NFL window?. You seriously can't wait until your mid 30s to do all this crap?.

Scooter
05-10-2014, 07:29 AM
You can't take the stupid out of some people. How long is the NFL window?. You seriously can't wait until your mid 30s to do all this crap?.

amazing isnt it? guys would break their bodies and live the next 15 years on tofu and water if that's what it took to even have a chance of making it in the NFL. and yet, guys like gordon are poised to go bigtime and cant put the pipe down long enough to make millions playing the biggest sport in america.

you cant fix stupid.

Lucky
05-10-2014, 07:52 AM
You can't take the stupid out of some people. How long is the NFL window?. You seriously can't wait until your mid 30s to do all this crap?.
I'm surprised we haven't had suggestions that we trade for Gordon yet. Bad behavior seems to excite some of our posters for some reason.

Hervoyel
05-10-2014, 09:40 AM
One more Browns Fan's Dream rolls out of "The Factory of Sadness"

GuerillaBlack
05-10-2014, 10:14 AM
You can't take the stupid out of some people. How long is the NFL window?. You seriously can't wait until your mid 30s to do all this crap?.

This is true, but damn weed should obviously be legal. Can sell destructive alcohol at games... We are reaching that point though. By 2020 I say.

badboy
05-10-2014, 12:42 PM
This is true, but damn weed should obviously be legal. Can sell destructive alcohol at games... We are reaching that point though. By 2020 I say.damn weed caused stupid decision probably costing millions so spread it to others? I think it should be legal also but things like this make me wonder about people. Guess it depends on the people.

Texecutioner
05-10-2014, 12:49 PM
I'm surprised we haven't had suggestions that we trade for Gordon yet. Bad behavior seems to excite some of our posters for some reason.

I'd totally take a flyer on this guy. Get him for a box of rocks and you haven't really risked anything. Mcnair would never do it though.

TheMatrix31
05-10-2014, 02:46 PM
Hope he never plays another down in the league. Dumb people should never be rewarded.

Texecutioner
05-10-2014, 06:00 PM
Hope he never plays another down in the league. Dumb people should never be rewarded.

Because he smoked some pot? Lol!

I think you could use some of that by the way.

gtexan02
05-10-2014, 07:39 PM
This is true, but damn weed should obviously be legal. Can sell destructive alcohol at games... We are reaching that point though. By 2020 I say.

There are plenty of legal substances that are banned by professional sports. Legality is no excuse

TheMatrix31
05-10-2014, 09:25 PM
Because he smoked some pot? Lol!

I think you could use some of that by the way.


It's not about the pot. It's about the fact that it's illegal in the NFL and he keeps getting busted for it. He's stupid. He's got all the talent in the world and he's wasting it for drugs. He's a loser. He's dumb as hell. He's a liability.

Millions of people would kill to have what he has and he's throwing it away repeatedly. He's a ****ing IDIOT.

GuerillaBlack
05-10-2014, 09:35 PM
There are plenty of legal substances that are banned by professional sports. Legality is no excuse

I understand, but if weed became legal, I doubt the NFL would ban it. It would be treated like alcohol imo.

Playoffs
05-10-2014, 09:42 PM
...He's stupid. He's got all the talent in the world and he's wasting it for drugs. He's a loser. He's dumb as hell... Millions of people would kill to have what he has and he's throwing it away repeatedly. He's a ****ing IDIOT.

In spite of dire consequences -- extreme financial harm and potential loss of all of his "high earnings years" that would set him up for life -- Gordon continues smoking marijuana when he knows he's going to be tested...

Now this isn't some college kid doing something stupid, this is a grown man who has been multply warned in very clear terms that his life-long financial future is at stake, yet he lights up. Maybe he has a problem.

TheMatrix31
05-10-2014, 10:26 PM
In spite of dire consequences -- extreme financial harm and potential loss of all of his "high earnings years" that would set him up for life -- Gordon continues smoking marijuana when he knows he's going to be tested...

Now this isn't some college kid doing something stupid, this is a grown man who has been multply warned in very clear terms that his life-long financial future is at stake, yet he lights up. Maybe he has a problem.

And his problem isn't pot smoking. His problem is being an idiot.

Playoffs
05-10-2014, 10:52 PM
And his problem isn't pot smoking...

Six failed drug tests resulting in his being kicked off two teams and now facing a one year suspension and costing him millions of dollars... yeah, just bad choices. :kitten:

Texecutioner
05-11-2014, 10:35 AM
It's not about the pot. It's about the fact that it's illegal in the NFL and he keeps getting busted for it. He's stupid. He's got all the talent in the world and he's wasting it for drugs. He's a loser. He's dumb as hell. He's a liability.

Millions of people would kill to have what he has and he's throwing it away repeatedly. He's a ****ing IDIOT.

I understand that. Yes, he is a moron for sure. I'd still take the talent with him, because his pot smoking isn't a big problem other than him being suspended. Any team that would take a chance on him probably wouldn't invest hardly anything in him. If you can get a guy that talented for nothing than I don't see it as a big deal personally. I don't think the you have to worry though. If a guy gets a parking ticket, Mcnair usually doesn't want the guy on the team. We are the last team that would ever pick him up most likely.

Lucky
05-11-2014, 01:36 PM
I'm surprised we haven't had suggestions that we trade for Gordon yet. Bad behavior seems to excite some of our posters for some reason.

I'd totally take a flyer on this guy. Get him for a box of rocks and you haven't really risked anything. Mcnair would never do it though.
Thanks for restoring my faith.

Texecutioner
05-11-2014, 01:59 PM
Thanks for restoring my faith.

He hasn't gotten in trouble for felonies or violence. It's been for small drug charges. Why not take a flyer if you're giving up almost nothing of him? How are you hurting your team by doing that? It's a low risk high reward type of thing. I didn't say to sign the guy for anything significant. I don't think that any team would at this point. But what do you have to lose if you sign a guy like that whose main problem is smoking pot and you're signing him for next to nothing? I just don't see that as a risk at all where a major reward can come from it possibly. I wouldn't see him as any long term answer either.

Either way, this is just for conversation sake. I know there isn't a chance in hell the Texans would touch this guy.

Playoffs
05-11-2014, 02:22 PM
Evidently Browns FO knew about this going into the draft and added Manziel without drafting a WR! Really poor foresight, imo. Deepest WR draft in years and they pass.

TheMatrix31
05-11-2014, 03:02 PM
What the hell is the point of signing someone who's going to be suspended off and on his entire career? He could have all the talent in the world but if he isn't on the field to utilize it then who cares?

htownfan32
05-11-2014, 03:03 PM
Evidently Browns FO knew about this going into the draft and added Manziel without drafting a WR! Really poor foresight, imo. Deepest WR draft in years and they pass.

Yeah. If they had gotten Sammy Watkins and then traded up for Manziel anyway... damn. That would have been a fun combo to watch.

CloakNNNdagger
05-12-2014, 01:26 PM
I'd totally take a flyer on this guy. Get him for a box of rocks and you haven't really risked anything. Mcnair would never do it though.

A box of rocks for a box of rocks.......sound fair to me.....:shots:

CloakNNNdagger
05-12-2014, 01:31 PM
Evidently Browns FO knew about this going into the draft and added Manziel without drafting a WR! Really poor foresight, imo. Deepest WR draft in years and they pass.


Their choices are what continues to make the Browns who they are.

Playoffs
05-15-2014, 02:33 PM
Cleveland Browns ‏@Browns
BREAKING: Cleveland Browns have agreed to terms with WR Miles Austin.

mattieuk
05-15-2014, 03:02 PM
NFL "Analysts": And we're here in the 7th round of the draft, and the consensus is that the Browns have made a big mistake in not addressing the WR position after the news broke of the impending Gordon suspension. What idiots.
...5 days later...

NFL "Analysts": Ohhh, right. Free agency - forgot about that.

I think it is a good signing for the Browns (depending on the financials). I presume they got him a lot cheaper than they would have if he were signing a contract after his 2012 season. Fills a need with a proven receiver and with Bennett helps to cover the losses and give someone Manziel a couple of targets who aren't absolute shots in the dark.

Playoffs
07-05-2014, 02:04 PM
Matt Anderson @MAndersonWKYC
#Browns WR Josh Gordon Arrested For Driving While Impaired- Book In Wake Co. N.C Detention Center At 4AM

http://media.cleveland.com/browns_impact/photo/josh-gordon-mug-shotjpg-69c8b02f7df84b6e.jpg
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
DWI in Raleigh is driving subject to an impairing substance. Police captain Tommy Klein added, “appreciably impaired.”

Browns WR Josh Gordon was arrested in Raleigh, N.C. for DWI – driving while impaired, according to Raleigh police captain Tommy Klein.

CloakNNNdagger
07-05-2014, 04:15 PM
Matt Anderson @MAndersonWKYC


http://media.cleveland.com/browns_impact/photo/josh-gordon-mug-shotjpg-69c8b02f7df84b6e.jpg
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

If Gordon doesn't get at least a season-long suspension now (which was suspiciously already being reconsidered), there is no way that Goodell and the NFL will not have manipulated things to specifically give overhyped Manziel a free bee (which in the long run I doubt makes little difference).

Scooter
07-05-2014, 04:21 PM
Clown - "Ooh, boy you are tied to that track and that stupid train just kept running over you now, didn't it? Running over you."

CloakNNNdagger
07-05-2014, 04:21 PM
Only 2 months after failing his last drug test.

From USA TODAY:

Gordon was arrested on a charge of driving while impaired in Raleigh, N.C., early Saturday morning. Raleigh Police spokesman Jim Sughrue told USA TODAY Sports that Gordon was pulled over just before 3 a.m. for driving 50 mph in a 35 mph zone, and was subsequently arrested for DWI.

D'Qwell Jackson@DQ52
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If you're close to Josh Gordon please help this kid, it's not about football anymore it's about picking up the pieces of his life.


2:19 PM - 5 Jul 2014

Playoffs
07-05-2014, 04:26 PM
If Gordon doesn't get at least a season-long suspension now...

Might get cut by the Browns, now. I think 2 clean years before he sees another chance.


Coulda, woulda, shoulda...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-sfF92ravIzU/UyM0hhofn5I/AAAAAAAAQJ0/wGw2pW19iQ8/4TWfj.jpg
Sammy Watkins

MightyTExan
07-05-2014, 04:29 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/996bd14c24676b87f19ffb90baa0ad91/tumblr_n185xwQjXb1so18vqo1_500.gif

drs23
07-05-2014, 06:04 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/996bd14c24676b87f19ffb90baa0ad91/tumblr_n185xwQjXb1so18vqo1_500.gif

YUP!

rep

klockWork
07-05-2014, 07:14 PM
So upsetting to see so much talent getting drag around by such great stupidity.

badboy
07-05-2014, 07:20 PM
So upsetting to see so much talent getting drag around by such great stupidity.agreed,I hate to see folks with talent and opportunities blow it away.

Playoffs
07-29-2014, 02:35 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Josh Gordon will dispute test results, as @profootballtalk also reported, and argue they came from 2nd-hand smoke. http://es.pn/1k5PRyU

http://www.twonkhammer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Implied-Facepalm.jpg

htownfan32
07-29-2014, 02:49 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter


http://www.twonkhammer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Implied-Facepalm.jpg

Well...
at least he's not Justin Blackmon :kitten:

Playoffs
07-29-2014, 02:52 PM
Well...
at least he's not Justin Blackmon

Maybe he's going to say he was with Justin Blackmon... ? :thinking:

CloakNNNdagger
07-29-2014, 05:39 PM
The amount is usually not enough to make you test positive. Most drug tests have intentionally high standards to avoid false positive results due to incidental ingestion of second-hand smoke. You'd have to be couped up for hours in an almost sealed 5x5 foot room to possibly cause a test positive in a drug test administered within 12 hours. You're not going to see this in even a half-way ventilated enclosed garage full of marijuana-smoking partiers.

Playoffs
08-01-2014, 07:54 PM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
The Josh Gordon appeals hearing ended at 7 pm tonight and was continued to Monday afternoon, source says #marathon

#Browns WR Josh Gordon’s appeals hearing… is still going. #andgoing #andgoing

Should go that long unless there's a compromise brewing, imo.

drs23
08-04-2014, 10:26 AM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet


Should go that long unless there's a compromise brewing, imo.

Or a compromise being twisted up...:howdy:

b0ng
08-04-2014, 02:55 PM
The amount is usually not enough to make you test positive. Most drug tests have intentionally high standards to avoid false positive results due to incidental ingestion of second-hand smoke. You'd have to be couped up for hours in an almost sealed 5x5 foot room to possibly cause a test positive in a drug test administered within 12 hours. You're not going to see this in even a half-way ventilated enclosed garage full of marijuana-smoking partiers.

The NFL standards for a failed drug test for marijuana are something ridiculously low like 15ng/ml. Olympics and Cycling test fail at 50ng/ml which is obviously much much higher and is that way intentionally so the second hand smoke excuse does not pop up.

infantrycak
08-04-2014, 03:39 PM
The NFL standards for a failed drug test for marijuana are something ridiculously low like 15ng/ml. Olympics and Cycling test fail at 50ng/ml which is obviously much much higher and is that way intentionally so the second hand smoke excuse does not pop up.

It is 15 ng/ml but now with all the states with medicinal/legal marijuana they are going to move it up possibly as high as 150 ng/ml which is the Olympic standard. Read a report about it a few days ago, sorry don't recall where.

b0ng
08-04-2014, 04:24 PM
It is 15 ng/ml but now with all the states with medicinal/legal marijuana they are going to move it up possibly as high as 150 ng/ml which is the Olympic standard. Read a report about it a few days ago, sorry don't recall where.

Interesting although I wonder how much resistance there will be to raising the limit (I guess there will be less resistance if Gordon wins his appeal, which probably isn't happening).

Playoffs
08-27-2014, 12:02 PM
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
So Josh Gordon suspension upheld. One year. And now Gordon will miss all of next year's training camp as well.

mattieuk
08-27-2014, 12:08 PM
Wow I am shocked. From all the rumblings about the delays, it really sounded like a reduced punishment was going to be negotiated.

CloakNNNdagger
08-27-2014, 12:24 PM
It’s official. The NFL has suspended Browns receiver Josh Gordon for a full year, effective immediately.

The banishment, first proposed more than three months ago and languishing on appeal until today, has been announced by the league.

“Appeals officer Harold Henderson has upheld the suspension for the 2014 NFL season of Cleveland Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon for violating the NFL Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse,” the NFL said in a statement. “The suspension is effective immediately. Gordon’s eligibility for reinstatement will be determined following the 2014 season.”

Gordon, whose suspension comes under the substance-abuse policy, likewise has issued a statement acknowledging the situation.

““I’’d like to apologize to my teammates, coaches, the Cleveland Browns organization and our fans,” Gordon said. “I am very disappointed that the NFL and its hearing officer didn’’t exercise better discretion and judgment in my case. I would like to sincerely thank the people who have been incredibly supportive of me during this challenging time, including my family, my agent, my union, my legal team, and the Cleveland Browns staff.””

Gordon will need even more support over the next year, since he will be prohibited from receiving any assistance from the NFL or the Browns. It’s a sad situation, with Brown banished for smoking a substance that is legal in two of the 22 states in which the NFL does business. At a time when he may have an addiction.

At a time when Ray Rice will miss only two games for knocking out his then-fiancée, now wife.link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/27/nfl-announces-gordon-suspension/)

infantrycak
08-27-2014, 12:29 PM
I am very disappointed that the NFL and its hearing officer didn’’t exercise better discretion and judgment in my case.

Damn, who is he taking contrition lessons from, JFF?

CloakNNNdagger
08-27-2014, 01:03 PM
Damn, who is he taking contrition lessons from, JFF?

From PFT:

Now that the NFL has suspended receiver Josh Gordon for the 2014 regular season (and, if the substance-abuse policy is applied as written, a full calendar year), the question becomes whether Gordon will continue to fight the ban.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, all options currently are on the table, including legal action.

Any lawsuit would face an immediate and aggressive challenge from the NFL under the Federal Arbitration Act, which requires courts to respect the outcome of private litigation. Only in rare circumstances can a court throw out the results of a private arbitration procedure, and the standard for scuttling the outcome is high.

Gordon’s best bet could be to fashion a plausible legal theory and attempt to secure a so-called “preliminary injunction,” which would prevent the NFL from implementing the suspension under the litigation concludes. Former Vikings defensive tackles Pat Williams and Kevin Williams successfully delayed, but failed to defeat, a suspension in the StarCaps case.

If litigation is going to be filed, it needs to be filed soon. At this point, there’s a chance it will be.

HOU-TEX
08-27-2014, 01:26 PM
Damn, who is he taking contrition lessons from, JFF?

Yup

And :potkettle:

cdollaz
08-27-2014, 02:23 PM
“I am very disappointed that the NFL and its hearing officer didn’t exercise better discretion and judgment in my case."

That quote is gold.

BullNation4Life
08-27-2014, 02:59 PM
moron...

CloakNNNdagger
08-27-2014, 04:55 PM
Read bottom to top:



Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 2m

Pot meet kettle MT @ProFootballTalk Josh Gordon expresses disappointment that hearing officer "didn't exercise better discretion & judgment"



Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 1m

Cleveland knew a year long suspension was coming, banked on appeal. Drafted 2 players in 1st round. Neither one a wide receiver. Moving on.



Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · now

No one is upset that Justin Blackmon is banished. Only upset because of the year Gordon had & our own selfish desire to see him on the field



Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 1m

Why was a player w/ the talent of Josh Gordon in the Supp Draft? Cause he passed out at a Taco Bell drive thru w/ Willie Jefferson.



Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 2m

Roger Goodell said years ago that teams that draft players w/ character issues, will get punished. Gordon came to CLE as weay of Supp Draft.


Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 16s

Seems like Josh Gordon is a victim. Everyone upset that the appeal took so long. Why did the Browns bank on the appeal working? Bigger issue



Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 2m

IDEA: Have them, tell him, to stop...smoking...weed MT @NFL_ATL @AlbertBreer (Josh Gordon decision) His camp is looking at alternatives.


Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 1m

Any news on Josh Gordon

BullNation4Life
08-27-2014, 05:06 PM
I have some legal advice for Josh Gordon....Pro bono...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx40udwQvZI

CloakNNNdagger
08-27-2014, 06:09 PM
Evidently, Gordon's got himself a lawyer.


Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 1m

I'm guessing this lawyer is pro-weed. Pic MT @Rand_Getlin: USC says CB Josh Shaw retained a criminal defense attorney http://www.donaldetra.com

Playoffs
08-27-2014, 06:13 PM
“I am very disappointed that the NFL and its hearing officer didn't exercise better discretion and judgment in my case...”
Translated: My lawyers wrote this and we're suing the NFL.

BullNation4Life
08-28-2014, 09:29 AM
Translated: My lawyers wrote this and we're suing the NFL.

See this is what I don't get. I understand that Mary Jane is not as harmful as alcohol and getting a 1 year suspension is defiantly too severe where a player put a beatdown on his girl and only gets 2 games. there is some injustice...

HOWEVA!!!


Correct me if I am wrong, isn't this Gordon's 2nd-3rd time getting busted for substance abuse? Knowing or even having an idea of what could happen, shouldn't you be smart enough to stay as afar away from anything that might give you a positive result?

So basically he is gonna sue the NFL for his stupidity?

Am I wrong or is that not logical?

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2014, 11:50 AM
On the one hand, going towards suing the NFL.............on the other hand, is now requesting permission from the Browns to join the Calgary Stampeders of the CFL...........:cool:

Playoffs
08-28-2014, 12:28 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, isn't this Gordon's 2nd-3rd time getting busted...It's all on the first page of this thread.


So basically he is gonna sue the NFL for his stupidity?

Am I wrong or is that not logical?
I think the premise of the suit would be to challenge the process,

While the goal would be to delay his suspension so he could play this year.

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2014, 12:44 PM
This is bound to become spicier............the Browns have refused his request.

mattieuk
08-28-2014, 01:24 PM
This is bound to become spicier............the Browns have refused his request.

There is a CFL rule (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/nfl/josh-gordon-not-allowed-to-join-cfl-reports-1.2749399)actually preventing him playing in the CFL which was brought in after the Ricky Williams stint north of the 49th.

I think Gordon is going the legal route. Will be interesting to see it play out - however with the prospect of a DUI to be summoned before the NFL panel yet, I'm not sure I'd be wanting to poke that bear.

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2014, 01:34 PM
There is a CFL rule (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/nfl/josh-gordon-not-allowed-to-join-cfl-reports-1.2749399)actually preventing him playing in the CFL which was brought in after the Ricky Williams stint north of the 49th.

I think Gordon is going the legal route. Will be interesting to see it play out - however with the prospect of a DUI to be summoned before the NFL panel yet, I'm not sure I'd be wanting to poke that bear.

This CFL rule only applies for players under contract in the NFL. So the Browns still hold all the cards. And, if Gordon finds a way around this CFL rule now or in the future as a way back to the NFL, for those that maintain that this denial only goes to the impedence of his "rehab," be aware that the CFL tests for performance-enhancing drugs, but not recreational drugs, including marijuana. It did Ricky Williams' rehab a lot of good, didn't it?

b0ng
08-28-2014, 01:54 PM
So basically he is gonna sue the NFL for his stupidity?

Am I wrong or is that not logical?

He was in stage 2 of the drug program for 3 failed college tests.

http://fieldandcourt.com/component/k2/item/246-what-to-expect-if-josh-gordon-loses-his-appeal.html

The strongest claim Gordon will argue is that under Ohio law (but using the NFL’s cutoff levels) he did not test positive for marijuana or, more accurately, THC metabolites.

As I’m sure you know by now, the NFL divides a player’s urine into two bottles: bottles “A” and “B.” If bottle “A” is positive for the THC metabolite, then bottle “B” is used to confirm what was in bottle "A."

According to Section I(C)(3)(e) of the NFL's Substance Abuse Policy, as long as bottle “B” contains the THC metabolite (at any level), then the sample is considered positive and the player is subject to the league’s discipline.

Ohio law differs.

Under Ohio law (Ohio Code 123:1-76-07), only “specimens which test negative on the initial test or negative on the confirmatory test shall be reported as negative.” If the NFL is bound by Ohio law, Gordon’s confirmatory test was negative. Hence, he did not test positive for marijuana as claimed by the NFL.

The quote above is not really a response to you, but I feel like this will be a good place to put this article. Anyway, my belief is that the people like to say "But those are the rules!" as their argument about why this suspension is a proper response to the rule being broken sound like authoritarian boot lickers to the highest degree. When you have Ray Rice playing Love in an Elevator and gets two games, but reefer madness gets you a whole season, you can see silly this really looks. I think Gordon himself isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's not out there beating people up (Yes the DUI is bad, and really that should be more at the forefront than the pot) or murdering them.

And I doubt the NFLPA barged in on the owners during the last CBA and demanded there be a clause in the new agreement that lets the owners take away millions of dollars away from it's players for something that most of them do anyway. If the NFL wanted to lower the punishment for getting caught high, I'm pretty sure the NFLPA would be amenable to that.

Playoffs
08-28-2014, 02:38 PM
He was in stage 2 of the drug program for 3 failed college tests.

As explained by Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer during a Tuesday visit to PFT Live, Gordon was in Stage 3 of the substance-abuse program at the time of his most recent alleged violation (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/28/josh-gordon-already-is-in-stage-3-of-the-substance-abuse-program/).

The highest level of the program, Stage 3 happens only after multiple violations of the policy. Under the terms of the policy, the player remains in Stage 3 for the rest of his career.


Ed Werder @Edwerderespn (https://twitter.com/Edwerderespn)
Josh Gordon again violated collectively-bargained drug policy. Point missed is NFL goal is intervention to help in addition to punishing

Source: "They're dealing with an issue they've never dealt with before, confronting something that's haunted them all their lives."

Source: "For you to get to stage 3, you're weighing all the consequences in your head and still making the wrong deicsions." (Continued)

Source explains Josh Gordon suspension: "To get to Stage 3 (drug program), you don't care and that's when you know it's a real issue."

mattieuk
08-28-2014, 04:57 PM
This CFL rule only applies for players under contract in the NFL. So the Browns still hold all the cards. And, if Gordon finds a way around this CFL rule now or in the future as a way back to the NFL, for those that maintain that this denial only goes to the impedence of his "rehab," be aware that the CFL tests for performance-enhancing drugs, but not recreational drugs, including marijuana. It did Ricky Williams' rehab a lot of good, didn't it?

Which I understand to mean that provided that the Browns do not release him (which is a very long shot still), he will not be able to play in the CFL.

If he is getting released from his NFL contract as a result of all this, then he may have bigger issues in trying to get reinstated, and dealing with the DUI (along with as you mention, not sorting out any problems he currently had with weed).