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Wolf
06-07-2013, 04:42 PM
Violating league substance abuse policy
Also docked 2 more game checks
Per scoremobile app
It could have been longer if they counted his college failed tests


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22369928/josh-gordon-suspended-two-games-for-substance-abuse-violation

Coolhandsluke2
06-07-2013, 10:58 PM
Violating league substance abuse policy
Also docked 2 more game checks
Per scoremobile app
It could have been longer if they counted his college failed tests


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22369928/josh-gordon-suspended-two-games-for-substance-abuse-violation


Can someone please explain to me why the NFL does not release what they tested positive for? Pretty much letting the athletes make up whatever BS story they want.

Playoffs
06-08-2013, 08:01 PM
Can someone please explain to me why the NFL does not release what they tested positive for? Pretty much letting the athletes make up whatever BS story they want.

NFLPA negotiated that.

Of note generally...
Absent a violation of the law, a suspension under the substance-abuse policy happens only if a player commits multiple violations. For players like Josh Gordon...that’s a lot of violations to rack up in only one year.

Once a player is in the substance-abuse program, he knows he’s going to be tested. To end up getting suspended means that he has continued to test positive even when he knows he’s going to be tested — unless, of course, the subsequent violations come from failing to comply with the testing requirements.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/07/chudzinski-statement-says-little-while-saying-a-lot/

infantrycak
06-09-2013, 07:27 AM
Can someone please explain to me why the NFL does not release what they tested positive for? Pretty much letting the athletes make up whatever BS story they want.

That would be revealing private medical information. Can't do it without player consent.

thunderkyss
06-09-2013, 10:58 PM
That would be revealing private medical information. Can't do it without player consent.

Speaking of which, PFT reports Josh Gordon say (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/07/josh-gordon-codeine-in-strep-throat-medicine-triggered-suspension/)s he took cough medicine containing Codeine.

“In February, I was diagnosed with strep throat for which a doctor prescribed antibiotics and cough medicine. Apparently, the medicine I took contained codeine, which is prohibited by the NFL policy,” Gordon said in the statement.

Playoffs
05-09-2014, 06:13 PM
Josh Gordon faces season long suspension (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10908822/josh-gordon-cleveland-browns-faces-season-long-suspension)
Updated: May 9, 2014, 6:05 PM ET
By T.J. Quinn and Don Van Natta Jr. | ESPN.com
Cleveland Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon could face a season-long suspension after a second failed drug test months ago, this time for marijuana, sources told "Outside the Lines" on Friday.

Reached by phone Friday afternoon, Gordon said: "That's something you're going to have to talk to [agent] Drew Rosenhaus about. I really don't know anything about it."

Josh Gordon could face a season-long suspension after a second failed drug test months ago, this time for marijuana, sources told "Outside the Lines."

Asked whether he planned an appeal of his suspension and test, Gordon said, "I'm going to have to find out about that later. You need to call Drew," before hanging up.

CloakNNNdagger
05-09-2014, 06:23 PM
Josh Gordon faces season long suspension (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10908822/josh-gordon-cleveland-browns-faces-season-long-suspension)
Updated: May 9, 2014, 6:05 PM ET
By T.J. Quinn and Don Van Natta Jr. | ESPN.com

Gordon's had the habit forever now. Don't know if he'll ever be able to can it.

revan
05-10-2014, 08:08 AM
You can't take the stupid out of some people. How long is the NFL window?. You seriously can't wait until your mid 30s to do all this crap?.

Scooter
05-10-2014, 08:29 AM
You can't take the stupid out of some people. How long is the NFL window?. You seriously can't wait until your mid 30s to do all this crap?.

amazing isnt it? guys would break their bodies and live the next 15 years on tofu and water if that's what it took to even have a chance of making it in the NFL. and yet, guys like gordon are poised to go bigtime and cant put the pipe down long enough to make millions playing the biggest sport in america.

you cant fix stupid.

Lucky
05-10-2014, 08:52 AM
You can't take the stupid out of some people. How long is the NFL window?. You seriously can't wait until your mid 30s to do all this crap?.
I'm surprised we haven't had suggestions that we trade for Gordon yet. Bad behavior seems to excite some of our posters for some reason.

Hervoyel
05-10-2014, 10:40 AM
One more Browns Fan's Dream rolls out of "The Factory of Sadness"

GuerillaBlack
05-10-2014, 11:14 AM
You can't take the stupid out of some people. How long is the NFL window?. You seriously can't wait until your mid 30s to do all this crap?.

This is true, but damn weed should obviously be legal. Can sell destructive alcohol at games... We are reaching that point though. By 2020 I say.

badboy
05-10-2014, 01:42 PM
This is true, but damn weed should obviously be legal. Can sell destructive alcohol at games... We are reaching that point though. By 2020 I say.damn weed caused stupid decision probably costing millions so spread it to others? I think it should be legal also but things like this make me wonder about people. Guess it depends on the people.

Texecutioner
05-10-2014, 01:49 PM
I'm surprised we haven't had suggestions that we trade for Gordon yet. Bad behavior seems to excite some of our posters for some reason.

I'd totally take a flyer on this guy. Get him for a box of rocks and you haven't really risked anything. Mcnair would never do it though.

TheMatrix31
05-10-2014, 03:46 PM
Hope he never plays another down in the league. Dumb people should never be rewarded.

Texecutioner
05-10-2014, 07:00 PM
Hope he never plays another down in the league. Dumb people should never be rewarded.

Because he smoked some pot? Lol!

I think you could use some of that by the way.

gtexan02
05-10-2014, 08:39 PM
This is true, but damn weed should obviously be legal. Can sell destructive alcohol at games... We are reaching that point though. By 2020 I say.

There are plenty of legal substances that are banned by professional sports. Legality is no excuse

TheMatrix31
05-10-2014, 10:25 PM
Because he smoked some pot? Lol!

I think you could use some of that by the way.


It's not about the pot. It's about the fact that it's illegal in the NFL and he keeps getting busted for it. He's stupid. He's got all the talent in the world and he's wasting it for drugs. He's a loser. He's dumb as hell. He's a liability.

Millions of people would kill to have what he has and he's throwing it away repeatedly. He's a ****ing IDIOT.

GuerillaBlack
05-10-2014, 10:35 PM
There are plenty of legal substances that are banned by professional sports. Legality is no excuse

I understand, but if weed became legal, I doubt the NFL would ban it. It would be treated like alcohol imo.

Playoffs
05-10-2014, 10:42 PM
...He's stupid. He's got all the talent in the world and he's wasting it for drugs. He's a loser. He's dumb as hell... Millions of people would kill to have what he has and he's throwing it away repeatedly. He's a ****ing IDIOT.

In spite of dire consequences -- extreme financial harm and potential loss of all of his "high earnings years" that would set him up for life -- Gordon continues smoking marijuana when he knows he's going to be tested...

Now this isn't some college kid doing something stupid, this is a grown man who has been multply warned in very clear terms that his life-long financial future is at stake, yet he lights up. Maybe he has a problem.

TheMatrix31
05-10-2014, 11:26 PM
In spite of dire consequences -- extreme financial harm and potential loss of all of his "high earnings years" that would set him up for life -- Gordon continues smoking marijuana when he knows he's going to be tested...

Now this isn't some college kid doing something stupid, this is a grown man who has been multply warned in very clear terms that his life-long financial future is at stake, yet he lights up. Maybe he has a problem.

And his problem isn't pot smoking. His problem is being an idiot.

Playoffs
05-10-2014, 11:52 PM
And his problem isn't pot smoking...

Six failed drug tests resulting in his being kicked off two teams and now facing a one year suspension and costing him millions of dollars... yeah, just bad choices. :kitten:

Texecutioner
05-11-2014, 11:35 AM
It's not about the pot. It's about the fact that it's illegal in the NFL and he keeps getting busted for it. He's stupid. He's got all the talent in the world and he's wasting it for drugs. He's a loser. He's dumb as hell. He's a liability.

Millions of people would kill to have what he has and he's throwing it away repeatedly. He's a ****ing IDIOT.

I understand that. Yes, he is a moron for sure. I'd still take the talent with him, because his pot smoking isn't a big problem other than him being suspended. Any team that would take a chance on him probably wouldn't invest hardly anything in him. If you can get a guy that talented for nothing than I don't see it as a big deal personally. I don't think the you have to worry though. If a guy gets a parking ticket, Mcnair usually doesn't want the guy on the team. We are the last team that would ever pick him up most likely.

Lucky
05-11-2014, 02:36 PM
I'm surprised we haven't had suggestions that we trade for Gordon yet. Bad behavior seems to excite some of our posters for some reason.

I'd totally take a flyer on this guy. Get him for a box of rocks and you haven't really risked anything. Mcnair would never do it though.
Thanks for restoring my faith.

Texecutioner
05-11-2014, 02:59 PM
Thanks for restoring my faith.

He hasn't gotten in trouble for felonies or violence. It's been for small drug charges. Why not take a flyer if you're giving up almost nothing of him? How are you hurting your team by doing that? It's a low risk high reward type of thing. I didn't say to sign the guy for anything significant. I don't think that any team would at this point. But what do you have to lose if you sign a guy like that whose main problem is smoking pot and you're signing him for next to nothing? I just don't see that as a risk at all where a major reward can come from it possibly. I wouldn't see him as any long term answer either.

Either way, this is just for conversation sake. I know there isn't a chance in hell the Texans would touch this guy.

Playoffs
05-11-2014, 03:22 PM
Evidently Browns FO knew about this going into the draft and added Manziel without drafting a WR! Really poor foresight, imo. Deepest WR draft in years and they pass.

TheMatrix31
05-11-2014, 04:02 PM
What the hell is the point of signing someone who's going to be suspended off and on his entire career? He could have all the talent in the world but if he isn't on the field to utilize it then who cares?

htownfan32
05-11-2014, 04:03 PM
Evidently Browns FO knew about this going into the draft and added Manziel without drafting a WR! Really poor foresight, imo. Deepest WR draft in years and they pass.

Yeah. If they had gotten Sammy Watkins and then traded up for Manziel anyway... damn. That would have been a fun combo to watch.

CloakNNNdagger
05-12-2014, 02:26 PM
I'd totally take a flyer on this guy. Get him for a box of rocks and you haven't really risked anything. Mcnair would never do it though.

A box of rocks for a box of rocks.......sound fair to me.....:shots:

CloakNNNdagger
05-12-2014, 02:31 PM
Evidently Browns FO knew about this going into the draft and added Manziel without drafting a WR! Really poor foresight, imo. Deepest WR draft in years and they pass.


Their choices are what continues to make the Browns who they are.

Playoffs
05-15-2014, 03:33 PM
Cleveland Browns ‏@Browns
BREAKING: Cleveland Browns have agreed to terms with WR Miles Austin.

mattieuk
05-15-2014, 04:02 PM
NFL "Analysts": And we're here in the 7th round of the draft, and the consensus is that the Browns have made a big mistake in not addressing the WR position after the news broke of the impending Gordon suspension. What idiots.
...5 days later...

NFL "Analysts": Ohhh, right. Free agency - forgot about that.

I think it is a good signing for the Browns (depending on the financials). I presume they got him a lot cheaper than they would have if he were signing a contract after his 2012 season. Fills a need with a proven receiver and with Bennett helps to cover the losses and give someone Manziel a couple of targets who aren't absolute shots in the dark.

Playoffs
07-05-2014, 03:04 PM
Matt Anderson @MAndersonWKYC
#Browns WR Josh Gordon Arrested For Driving While Impaired- Book In Wake Co. N.C Detention Center At 4AM

http://media.cleveland.com/browns_impact/photo/josh-gordon-mug-shotjpg-69c8b02f7df84b6e.jpg
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
DWI in Raleigh is driving subject to an impairing substance. Police captain Tommy Klein added, “appreciably impaired.”

Browns WR Josh Gordon was arrested in Raleigh, N.C. for DWI – driving while impaired, according to Raleigh police captain Tommy Klein.

CloakNNNdagger
07-05-2014, 05:15 PM
Matt Anderson @MAndersonWKYC


http://media.cleveland.com/browns_impact/photo/josh-gordon-mug-shotjpg-69c8b02f7df84b6e.jpg
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

If Gordon doesn't get at least a season-long suspension now (which was suspiciously already being reconsidered), there is no way that Goodell and the NFL will not have manipulated things to specifically give overhyped Manziel a free bee (which in the long run I doubt makes little difference).

Scooter
07-05-2014, 05:21 PM
Clown - "Ooh, boy you are tied to that track and that stupid train just kept running over you now, didn't it? Running over you."

CloakNNNdagger
07-05-2014, 05:21 PM
Only 2 months after failing his last drug test.

From USA TODAY:

Gordon was arrested on a charge of driving while impaired in Raleigh, N.C., early Saturday morning. Raleigh Police spokesman Jim Sughrue told USA TODAY Sports that Gordon was pulled over just before 3 a.m. for driving 50 mph in a 35 mph zone, and was subsequently arrested for DWI.

D'Qwell Jackson@DQ52
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If you're close to Josh Gordon please help this kid, it's not about football anymore it's about picking up the pieces of his life.


2:19 PM - 5 Jul 2014

Playoffs
07-05-2014, 05:26 PM
If Gordon doesn't get at least a season-long suspension now...

Might get cut by the Browns, now. I think 2 clean years before he sees another chance.


Coulda, woulda, shoulda...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-sfF92ravIzU/UyM0hhofn5I/AAAAAAAAQJ0/wGw2pW19iQ8/4TWfj.jpg
Sammy Watkins

MightyTExan
07-05-2014, 05:29 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/996bd14c24676b87f19ffb90baa0ad91/tumblr_n185xwQjXb1so18vqo1_500.gif

drs23
07-05-2014, 07:04 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/996bd14c24676b87f19ffb90baa0ad91/tumblr_n185xwQjXb1so18vqo1_500.gif

YUP!

rep

klockWork
07-05-2014, 08:14 PM
So upsetting to see so much talent getting drag around by such great stupidity.

badboy
07-05-2014, 08:20 PM
So upsetting to see so much talent getting drag around by such great stupidity.agreed,I hate to see folks with talent and opportunities blow it away.

Playoffs
07-29-2014, 03:35 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Josh Gordon will dispute test results, as @profootballtalk also reported, and argue they came from 2nd-hand smoke. http://es.pn/1k5PRyU

http://www.twonkhammer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Implied-Facepalm.jpg

htownfan32
07-29-2014, 03:49 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter


http://www.twonkhammer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Implied-Facepalm.jpg

Well...
at least he's not Justin Blackmon :kitten:

Playoffs
07-29-2014, 03:52 PM
Well...
at least he's not Justin Blackmon

Maybe he's going to say he was with Justin Blackmon... ? :thinking:

CloakNNNdagger
07-29-2014, 06:39 PM
The amount is usually not enough to make you test positive. Most drug tests have intentionally high standards to avoid false positive results due to incidental ingestion of second-hand smoke. You'd have to be couped up for hours in an almost sealed 5x5 foot room to possibly cause a test positive in a drug test administered within 12 hours. You're not going to see this in even a half-way ventilated enclosed garage full of marijuana-smoking partiers.

Playoffs
08-01-2014, 08:54 PM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
The Josh Gordon appeals hearing ended at 7 pm tonight and was continued to Monday afternoon, source says #marathon

#Browns WR Josh Gordon’s appeals hearing… is still going. #andgoing #andgoing

Should go that long unless there's a compromise brewing, imo.

drs23
08-04-2014, 11:26 AM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet


Should go that long unless there's a compromise brewing, imo.

Or a compromise being twisted up...:howdy:

b0ng
08-04-2014, 03:55 PM
The amount is usually not enough to make you test positive. Most drug tests have intentionally high standards to avoid false positive results due to incidental ingestion of second-hand smoke. You'd have to be couped up for hours in an almost sealed 5x5 foot room to possibly cause a test positive in a drug test administered within 12 hours. You're not going to see this in even a half-way ventilated enclosed garage full of marijuana-smoking partiers.

The NFL standards for a failed drug test for marijuana are something ridiculously low like 15ng/ml. Olympics and Cycling test fail at 50ng/ml which is obviously much much higher and is that way intentionally so the second hand smoke excuse does not pop up.

infantrycak
08-04-2014, 04:39 PM
The NFL standards for a failed drug test for marijuana are something ridiculously low like 15ng/ml. Olympics and Cycling test fail at 50ng/ml which is obviously much much higher and is that way intentionally so the second hand smoke excuse does not pop up.

It is 15 ng/ml but now with all the states with medicinal/legal marijuana they are going to move it up possibly as high as 150 ng/ml which is the Olympic standard. Read a report about it a few days ago, sorry don't recall where.

b0ng
08-04-2014, 05:24 PM
It is 15 ng/ml but now with all the states with medicinal/legal marijuana they are going to move it up possibly as high as 150 ng/ml which is the Olympic standard. Read a report about it a few days ago, sorry don't recall where.

Interesting although I wonder how much resistance there will be to raising the limit (I guess there will be less resistance if Gordon wins his appeal, which probably isn't happening).

Playoffs
08-27-2014, 01:02 PM
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
So Josh Gordon suspension upheld. One year. And now Gordon will miss all of next year's training camp as well.

mattieuk
08-27-2014, 01:08 PM
Wow I am shocked. From all the rumblings about the delays, it really sounded like a reduced punishment was going to be negotiated.

CloakNNNdagger
08-27-2014, 01:24 PM
It’s official. The NFL has suspended Browns receiver Josh Gordon for a full year, effective immediately.

The banishment, first proposed more than three months ago and languishing on appeal until today, has been announced by the league.

“Appeals officer Harold Henderson has upheld the suspension for the 2014 NFL season of Cleveland Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon for violating the NFL Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse,” the NFL said in a statement. “The suspension is effective immediately. Gordon’s eligibility for reinstatement will be determined following the 2014 season.”

Gordon, whose suspension comes under the substance-abuse policy, likewise has issued a statement acknowledging the situation.

““I’’d like to apologize to my teammates, coaches, the Cleveland Browns organization and our fans,” Gordon said. “I am very disappointed that the NFL and its hearing officer didn’’t exercise better discretion and judgment in my case. I would like to sincerely thank the people who have been incredibly supportive of me during this challenging time, including my family, my agent, my union, my legal team, and the Cleveland Browns staff.””

Gordon will need even more support over the next year, since he will be prohibited from receiving any assistance from the NFL or the Browns. It’s a sad situation, with Brown banished for smoking a substance that is legal in two of the 22 states in which the NFL does business. At a time when he may have an addiction.

At a time when Ray Rice will miss only two games for knocking out his then-fiancée, now wife.link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/27/nfl-announces-gordon-suspension/)

infantrycak
08-27-2014, 01:29 PM
I am very disappointed that the NFL and its hearing officer didn’’t exercise better discretion and judgment in my case.

Damn, who is he taking contrition lessons from, JFF?

CloakNNNdagger
08-27-2014, 02:03 PM
Damn, who is he taking contrition lessons from, JFF?

From PFT:

Now that the NFL has suspended receiver Josh Gordon for the 2014 regular season (and, if the substance-abuse policy is applied as written, a full calendar year), the question becomes whether Gordon will continue to fight the ban.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, all options currently are on the table, including legal action.

Any lawsuit would face an immediate and aggressive challenge from the NFL under the Federal Arbitration Act, which requires courts to respect the outcome of private litigation. Only in rare circumstances can a court throw out the results of a private arbitration procedure, and the standard for scuttling the outcome is high.

Gordon’s best bet could be to fashion a plausible legal theory and attempt to secure a so-called “preliminary injunction,” which would prevent the NFL from implementing the suspension under the litigation concludes. Former Vikings defensive tackles Pat Williams and Kevin Williams successfully delayed, but failed to defeat, a suspension in the StarCaps case.

If litigation is going to be filed, it needs to be filed soon. At this point, there’s a chance it will be.

HOU-TEX
08-27-2014, 02:26 PM
Damn, who is he taking contrition lessons from, JFF?

Yup

And :potkettle:

cdollaz
08-27-2014, 03:23 PM
“I am very disappointed that the NFL and its hearing officer didn’t exercise better discretion and judgment in my case."

That quote is gold.

BullNation4Life
08-27-2014, 03:59 PM
moron...

CloakNNNdagger
08-27-2014, 05:55 PM
Read bottom to top:



Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 2m

Pot meet kettle MT @ProFootballTalk Josh Gordon expresses disappointment that hearing officer "didn't exercise better discretion & judgment"



Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 1m

Cleveland knew a year long suspension was coming, banked on appeal. Drafted 2 players in 1st round. Neither one a wide receiver. Moving on.



Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · now

No one is upset that Justin Blackmon is banished. Only upset because of the year Gordon had & our own selfish desire to see him on the field



Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 1m

Why was a player w/ the talent of Josh Gordon in the Supp Draft? Cause he passed out at a Taco Bell drive thru w/ Willie Jefferson.



Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 2m

Roger Goodell said years ago that teams that draft players w/ character issues, will get punished. Gordon came to CLE as weay of Supp Draft.


Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 16s

Seems like Josh Gordon is a victim. Everyone upset that the appeal took so long. Why did the Browns bank on the appeal working? Bigger issue



Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 2m

IDEA: Have them, tell him, to stop...smoking...weed MT @NFL_ATL @AlbertBreer (Josh Gordon decision) His camp is looking at alternatives.


Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 1m

Any news on Josh Gordon

BullNation4Life
08-27-2014, 06:06 PM
I have some legal advice for Josh Gordon....Pro bono...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx40udwQvZI

CloakNNNdagger
08-27-2014, 07:09 PM
Evidently, Gordon's got himself a lawyer.


Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 1m

I'm guessing this lawyer is pro-weed. Pic MT @Rand_Getlin: USC says CB Josh Shaw retained a criminal defense attorney http://www.donaldetra.com

Playoffs
08-27-2014, 07:13 PM
“I am very disappointed that the NFL and its hearing officer didn't exercise better discretion and judgment in my case...”
Translated: My lawyers wrote this and we're suing the NFL.

BullNation4Life
08-28-2014, 10:29 AM
Translated: My lawyers wrote this and we're suing the NFL.

See this is what I don't get. I understand that Mary Jane is not as harmful as alcohol and getting a 1 year suspension is defiantly too severe where a player put a beatdown on his girl and only gets 2 games. there is some injustice...

HOWEVA!!!


Correct me if I am wrong, isn't this Gordon's 2nd-3rd time getting busted for substance abuse? Knowing or even having an idea of what could happen, shouldn't you be smart enough to stay as afar away from anything that might give you a positive result?

So basically he is gonna sue the NFL for his stupidity?

Am I wrong or is that not logical?

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2014, 12:50 PM
On the one hand, going towards suing the NFL.............on the other hand, is now requesting permission from the Browns to join the Calgary Stampeders of the CFL...........:cool:

Playoffs
08-28-2014, 01:28 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, isn't this Gordon's 2nd-3rd time getting busted...It's all on the first page of this thread.


So basically he is gonna sue the NFL for his stupidity?

Am I wrong or is that not logical?
I think the premise of the suit would be to challenge the process,

While the goal would be to delay his suspension so he could play this year.

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2014, 01:44 PM
This is bound to become spicier............the Browns have refused his request.

mattieuk
08-28-2014, 02:24 PM
This is bound to become spicier............the Browns have refused his request.

There is a CFL rule (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/nfl/josh-gordon-not-allowed-to-join-cfl-reports-1.2749399)actually preventing him playing in the CFL which was brought in after the Ricky Williams stint north of the 49th.

I think Gordon is going the legal route. Will be interesting to see it play out - however with the prospect of a DUI to be summoned before the NFL panel yet, I'm not sure I'd be wanting to poke that bear.

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2014, 02:34 PM
There is a CFL rule (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/nfl/josh-gordon-not-allowed-to-join-cfl-reports-1.2749399)actually preventing him playing in the CFL which was brought in after the Ricky Williams stint north of the 49th.

I think Gordon is going the legal route. Will be interesting to see it play out - however with the prospect of a DUI to be summoned before the NFL panel yet, I'm not sure I'd be wanting to poke that bear.

This CFL rule only applies for players under contract in the NFL. So the Browns still hold all the cards. And, if Gordon finds a way around this CFL rule now or in the future as a way back to the NFL, for those that maintain that this denial only goes to the impedence of his "rehab," be aware that the CFL tests for performance-enhancing drugs, but not recreational drugs, including marijuana. It did Ricky Williams' rehab a lot of good, didn't it?

b0ng
08-28-2014, 02:54 PM
So basically he is gonna sue the NFL for his stupidity?

Am I wrong or is that not logical?

He was in stage 2 of the drug program for 3 failed college tests.

http://fieldandcourt.com/component/k2/item/246-what-to-expect-if-josh-gordon-loses-his-appeal.html

The strongest claim Gordon will argue is that under Ohio law (but using the NFL’s cutoff levels) he did not test positive for marijuana or, more accurately, THC metabolites.

As I’m sure you know by now, the NFL divides a player’s urine into two bottles: bottles “A” and “B.” If bottle “A” is positive for the THC metabolite, then bottle “B” is used to confirm what was in bottle "A."

According to Section I(C)(3)(e) of the NFL's Substance Abuse Policy, as long as bottle “B” contains the THC metabolite (at any level), then the sample is considered positive and the player is subject to the league’s discipline.

Ohio law differs.

Under Ohio law (Ohio Code 123:1-76-07), only “specimens which test negative on the initial test or negative on the confirmatory test shall be reported as negative.” If the NFL is bound by Ohio law, Gordon’s confirmatory test was negative. Hence, he did not test positive for marijuana as claimed by the NFL.

The quote above is not really a response to you, but I feel like this will be a good place to put this article. Anyway, my belief is that the people like to say "But those are the rules!" as their argument about why this suspension is a proper response to the rule being broken sound like authoritarian boot lickers to the highest degree. When you have Ray Rice playing Love in an Elevator and gets two games, but reefer madness gets you a whole season, you can see silly this really looks. I think Gordon himself isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's not out there beating people up (Yes the DUI is bad, and really that should be more at the forefront than the pot) or murdering them.

And I doubt the NFLPA barged in on the owners during the last CBA and demanded there be a clause in the new agreement that lets the owners take away millions of dollars away from it's players for something that most of them do anyway. If the NFL wanted to lower the punishment for getting caught high, I'm pretty sure the NFLPA would be amenable to that.

Playoffs
08-28-2014, 03:38 PM
He was in stage 2 of the drug program for 3 failed college tests.

As explained by Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer during a Tuesday visit to PFT Live, Gordon was in Stage 3 of the substance-abuse program at the time of his most recent alleged violation (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/28/josh-gordon-already-is-in-stage-3-of-the-substance-abuse-program/).

The highest level of the program, Stage 3 happens only after multiple violations of the policy. Under the terms of the policy, the player remains in Stage 3 for the rest of his career.


Ed Werder @Edwerderespn (https://twitter.com/Edwerderespn)
Josh Gordon again violated collectively-bargained drug policy. Point missed is NFL goal is intervention to help in addition to punishing

Source: "They're dealing with an issue they've never dealt with before, confronting something that's haunted them all their lives."

Source: "For you to get to stage 3, you're weighing all the consequences in your head and still making the wrong deicsions." (Continued)

Source explains Josh Gordon suspension: "To get to Stage 3 (drug program), you don't care and that's when you know it's a real issue."

mattieuk
08-28-2014, 05:57 PM
This CFL rule only applies for players under contract in the NFL. So the Browns still hold all the cards. And, if Gordon finds a way around this CFL rule now or in the future as a way back to the NFL, for those that maintain that this denial only goes to the impedence of his "rehab," be aware that the CFL tests for performance-enhancing drugs, but not recreational drugs, including marijuana. It did Ricky Williams' rehab a lot of good, didn't it?

Which I understand to mean that provided that the Browns do not release him (which is a very long shot still), he will not be able to play in the CFL.

If he is getting released from his NFL contract as a result of all this, then he may have bigger issues in trying to get reinstated, and dealing with the DUI (along with as you mention, not sorting out any problems he currently had with weed).

Playoffs
09-04-2014, 01:12 PM
Josina Anderson · @JosinaAnderson
#Browns WR Josh Gordon has a new job. He will be the goodwill ambassador for the Sarchione Auto group in Randolph, Ohio, which includes Sarchione Ford and Sarchione Chevrolet . He will be working in all aspects of their car business including as an on-floor salesman. Gordon will also be heading all of their local community efforts including with the Wounded Warriors Project. He starts this weekend.

BullNation4Life
09-05-2014, 01:12 PM
According to Mike Florio, Josh Gordon and Welker could be back this year if the NFL changes their drug policy...Got this off my FF page

Appearing on NBC's NFL Kickoff 2014, Profootballtalk's Mike Florio reported Josh Gordon and Wes Welker's suspensions could be reduced or "go away completely" if the NFL and NFLPA agree on a new drug policy.
According to NFL.com's Albert Breer, Sunday is a "soft deadline" for an agreement. The Washington Post has since confirmed PFT's report. The sides have been trying to hammer out a pact that would allow testing for HGH. As a concession, the league would then raise the threshold for positive marijuana tests, and move amphetamines from the PED policy to substance-abuse policy. First-team substance abuse violations do not mandate a suspension. The situation is still very much up in the air, but it appears Gordon is worth stashing.

amazing80
09-05-2014, 09:45 PM
According to Mike Florio, Josh Gordon and Welker could be back this year if the NFL changes their drug policy...Got this off my FF page

Better go pick him up in fantasy. :kitten:

BullNation4Life
09-06-2014, 02:39 AM
Better go pick him up in fantasy. :kitten:

dun did it...

CloakNNNdagger
09-06-2014, 07:51 PM
According to Mike Florio, Josh Gordon and Welker could be back this year if the NFL changes their drug policy...Got this off my FF page

That was IF the deal came through BEFORE their first games..........the NFL announced that the deal will not get done until AT LEAST next week.........and then I would still not hold my breath.

CloakNNNdagger
09-06-2014, 09:46 PM
Friday, September 5, 2014 9:29 pm
Josh Gordon: 'I'm over' being in limbo
By Elizabeth Merrill
ESPN.com

CLEVELAND -- Banished Cleveland Browns receiver Josh Gordon says he has no plans to sue the NFL and is moving forward regardless of whether the league decides to revamp its drug-testing policy.

"The whole being in limbo thing, I'm over it," Gordon said Friday. "I'm not waiting on the edge of my seat anymore."

Asked to pinpoint the last time he smoked marijuana, suspended Browns receiver Josh Gordon said, "I think it was before I got into the league. I don't know."

Gordon, suspended for a year for a failed marijuana test, also said Friday that he voluntarily checked himself into a rehab clinic in July, though he doesn't consider himself an addict. Gordon said he spent two weeks at a clinic in Malibu, California, but had to leave before the 30-day program was over to get to training camp and prepare for his appeal.

The appeal failed last week, as the NFL announced that arbitrator Harold Henderson upheld Gordon's suspension. Gordon said he was leaving the Browns' facility when he heard the news. He said he failed a drug test this past winter because of secondhand smoke.

Gordon's "A" sample tested at 16 nanograms per milliliter, a bare one nanogram per milliliter above the 15-nanogram-per-milliliter threshold, while Gordon's "B" sample -- which theoretically should be consistent with the "A" sample, as it comes from the exact same specimen -- tested at 13.63 ng/ml, lower than the threshold, sources previously told ESPN.

Asked by ESPN.com on Friday to identify the last time he smoked marijuana, Gordon said that it's been a while.

"I think it was before I got into the league," he said. "I don't know."

Asked why he checked himself into rehab if he doesn't consider himself an addict, Gordon said, "Just to see. ... To seek out some help on decision-making. Not drug use or drug abuse, but decision-making. Life skills. How to be your own person and stuff like that."

Negotiations to revamp the league's performance-enhancing drug policy, and possibly implement HGH testing, have intensified, ESPN's Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen reported Thursday. The NFL and NFLPA are trying to come to an agreement before the start of Sunday's games.

Gordon said the reality of not playing for a year has "definitely hit me." Up until last week, he had held out hope that his suspension would be lowered to eight games.

He said his Browns teammates have texted him, asking how he's doing. He said he misses the structure of football, but plans to keep busy. He will do some work for a local car dealership, he said, because he's interested in cars and in possibly owning a dealership someday. He's also working out and plans to do some charity work in the community.

"People probably expect me to be hidden in a dark room somewhere, going crazy and never coming out," Gordon said. "That's definitely not going to happen. That's just not me.

"I plan to spend it staying busy, that's for sure. Staying positive and surrounding myself with positive, good people who are only here to support me. Nothing to tear me down negatively. Just carry on about life. There's definitely life outside of football."

Gordon confirmed that he did check into possibly playing in the CFL in the hours after he found out he lost his appeal. He can't play in the CFL because he's under contract with the Browns. He said money wasn't the reason he checked into it. He just wanted to stay in shape and stay active.

Gordon was suspended for two games in 2013 for testing positive for codeine. He maintains that he was on the codeine as prescribed medicine for strep throat. In July, Gordon was arrested in North Carolina for driving under the influence.

Makes you wonder if this is in response to a potential back door deal.

CloakNNNdagger
09-06-2014, 09:49 PM
For those that are interested, this is a very good review in-depth article re. interpretation of Marijuana testing.

Understanding THC & Detection Times (http://www.sterlingreflabs.com/understanding-thc-detection-times.htm)


Marijuana (THC) is a mixture of dried leaves and flowering tops of the hemp plant Cannabis sativa. The agents that produce the hallucinogenic and other biological effects of marijuana are called cannabinoids. Marijuana is usually smoked, but may also be ingested, either incorporated into food or as a tea. It is rapidly absorbed from the lungs into the blood with rapid onset of effects; the onset is slower but prolonged when ingested.

The cannabinoid 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (?9-THC) is generally accepted as the principal psychoactive ingredient in marijuana and its sister drug hashish although other cannabinoids may contribute to the psychological and physiological actions of these drugs. ?9-THC is distributed in and absorbed by various fatty tissues and then is very slowly released to the plasma; it is then metabolized in the liver to over 24 metabolites and eventually excreted in the urine and feces. The metabolite 11-nor-?9-THC-9-carboxylic acid (THCCOOH) is the primary urinary marker of THC use. While immunoassays will react to THCCOOH and other THC metabolites to varying degrees, the confirmation assays are designed to detect only this metabolite.

THC use continues to be a major problem for law enforcement personnel as well as drug counseling and treatment professionals. Various surveys or studies show that THC is still the most frequently used illicit drug. Only tobacco and Ethanol have higher usage rates reported in most surveys. Reliable testing services are an important tool in detecting and monitoring drug use and/or compliance with treatment protocols or drug free orders.

Much of our understanding of detection times is based on research that was done on older, less specific methods and on non-clinical studies. New reagent systems have improved the specificity of commonly employed immunoassays to the THCCOOH metabolite, thus reducing the rate of false positives. This increased specificity has also apparently narrowed the window of detection, particularly for the casual user.

The results of a new controlled clinical study (1) published in the October 1995 issue of the Journal of Analytical Toxicology, shows that the window of detection for casual users is much narrower than previously assumed. It also emphasizes the inter and intra-individual variability that is part of the problem in monitoring drug use.


The study involved measuring all urine samples from a group of subjects for a period of one week after smoking a placebo, low dose THC cigarette and a high dose THC cigarette on three separate occasions. Dosing was random and spaced a week apart so as not to bias results by the effects of one dose on the following dose. The individuals in the study were all chronic users that demonstrated a series of consecutive negative urines prior to starting the dosing studies.


The data showed that using the 100 ng/ml positive cutoff resulted in a detection time of as little as 6 hours to about 24 hours after smoking the low dose cigarette and 5.6 hours to about 51 hours after smoking the high dose cigarette. There was no difference in the time of last consecutive positive and the last detected positive after smoking the low dose cigarette.

However, after the high dose cigarette, there were individuals whose last positive result occurred significantly later than their last consecutive positive result. The last consecutive positive result occurred at as little as 4 hours after dosing to as much 40 hours later.

The individual whose last consecutive positive occurred at 4 hours was the same individual who had the last reported positive result of about 51 hours, thus emphasizing the extreme variability of excretion rates in randomly collected drug specimens (Table 1.).

When the positive cutoff is lowered to 50 ng/ml the window increases somewhat but the variation in detection times is greater. Detection time at 50 ng/ml ranged from of as little as 6.4 hours to about 48.5 hours after smoking the low dose cigarette and 18 hours to about 78 hours after smoking the high dose cigarette. The last consecutive positive after smoking the low dose cigarette occurred at as little as 6.4 hours up to about 45 hours. The last consecutive positive result after the high dose cigarette occurred at as little as 4 hours after dosing to as much 48 hours later. As with the data collected at 100 ng/ml, there were individuals whose last positive result occurred significantly later than their last consecutive positive result. In this group, the individual whose last consecutive positive occurred at 4 hours had a last reported positive result of about 57 hours (Table 2.).

Even when using a cutoff level of 20 ng/ml (Table 3.) or GC/MS (Table 4.), the detection window only exceeded four days in two of the six individuals who smoked the low dose cigarette. After a high dose cigarette, the last detectable positive was at 149.5 hours ( 6 days) for one individual, but most fell between 2.5 days and 3.5 days.




Table 1. DETECTION TIME RANGES at 100 ng/ml CUTOFF
Type of cigarette: Last consecutive pos. Last positive
Low dose cigarette 6 to 24 hours 6 to 24 hours
High dose cigarette 4 to 80 hours 5.6 to 51 hours



Table 2. DETECTION TIME RANGES at 50 ng/ml CUTOFF
Type of cigarette: Last consecutive pos. Last positive
Low dose cigarette 6.4 to 45 hours 6.4 to 48.5 hours
High dose cigarette 4 to 48 hours 18 to 78 hours



Table 3. DETECTION TIME RANGES at 20 ng/ml CUTOFF
Type of cigarette: Last consecutive pos. Last positive
Low dose cigarette 9.3 to 68.5 hours 23.3 to 127.2 hours
High dose cigarette 4 to 78.4 hours 58.5 to 149.5 hours



Table 4. DETECTION TIME RANGES at GC/MS 15 ng/ml CUTOFF
Type of cigarette: Last consecutive pos. Last positive
Low dose cigarette 8.0 to 68.5 hours 8.0 to 68.5 hours
High dose cigarette 4 to 78.4 hours 57.0 to 122.3 hours


The same authors published a paper in Clinical Chemistry in 1994 (2.) showing the value of lowering the screening cutoff level from 100 ng/ml to the current federal guideline of 50 ng/ml. For the purposes of this study, they used the following definitions:



"True positive" = immunoassay positive (≥ 50 ng/ml) and GC/MS positive (≥ 15 ng/ml);
"True negative" = immunoassay negative (< 50 ng/ml) and GC/MS negative (< 15 ng/ml);
"False positive" = immunoassay positive (≥ 50 ng/ml) and GC/MS negative (< 15 ng/ml);
"False negative" = immunoassay negative (< 50 ng/ml) and GC/MS positive (≥ 15 ng/ml).


The study examined approximately 1000 specimens at the 100 ng/ml and 50 ng/ml cutoffs for several of the currently available THC immunoassays. As might be expected, lowering the cutoff to 50 ng/ml significantly increased the rate of recovery of true positives, decreased the rate of false negatives and had only a small increase in false negatives (Table 5.).

The data presented for the assay we use at SRL showed a more than doubling of the true positive rate from ≈ 4.7% to ≈ 11.2%, with the false negative rate dropping from over 10% to under 4%. The false positive rate increased slightly from ≈ 0.4% to ≈ 1.2%. Our experience with this assay agrees with this study, i.e. when using the 50 ng/ml positive cutoff the recovery rate of true positives is significantly increased without a significant increase in the risk of false positives.




Table 5. EFFECT OF LOWERING POSITIVE CUTOFF
Cutoff level True Positives False negatives False positives
100 ng/ml ≈ 4.7% ≈ 10.4% ≈ 0.4%
50 ng/ml ≈ 11.2% ≈ 3.9% ≈ 1.2%


These two studies show the difficulty of detecting and monitoring drug use. Successful detection of infrequent low-level marijuana use is enhanced by using assays employing the lowest practical detection limits and totally random and unpredictable sample collections. Scientific advances have improved our ability to reliably identify and quantify cannabinoids in urine, but the interpretation of these results remains a difficult task.

The following is some information that you may find helpful in interpreting positive marijuana (THC) results.

The only truly reliable way to pinpoint time of use is through serial plasma studies (3.), but quantitative urine THC values can give you some indication of the level and timing of drug use when serial samples are collected. The quantitative value is influenced by many factors, such as frequency and duration of use, quality of the marijuana, personal metabolism, etc. and can vary significantly throughout the day. As a general rule of thumb, the higher the value, the more likely the use of marijuana has been heavy and/or recent.



Levels below 100 ng/ml are relatively low and would correlate with light use or heavier use more than 48 hours prior to the urine collection.
Levels between 100 and 250 ng/ml are moderate and are best interpreted in relationship to previous results or reliable data on usage history.
Levels between 250 and 750 ng/ ml are high and are more likely to represent current use (within the prior 72 hours), but are still best interpreted in relationship to the factors mentioned above.
Levels exceeding 750 ng/ml are very high and have a good correlation with usage within the past 48 to 72 hours.


The half-life of THC can vary markedly, but for most people it is one to three days (3.). That means that the THC level can be expected to decrease by about 1/2 every 24 to 72 hours during a period of abstinence. Typically, levels drop to below 100 ng/ml fairly quickly, with low levels (below 50 ng/ml) persisting for longer periods of time. Levels between 20 and 50 ng/ml have been reported in individuals with histories of chronic heavy use for as much as 2 or 3 months after use is discontinued.

Current research has shown that passive exposure may result in low level positives (up to about 30 ng/ml) if the exposure conditions are severe enough. That means heavy smoke in a confined, non-ventilated space for an extended period of time. The data also suggests that THC is not likely to be detectable for more than about 24 hours after such exposure. It is unlikely that most people would tolerate the extreme conditions necessary to produce a positive result from passive exposure. The federal guidelines for work place testing have reduced the cutoff level for positive results from 100 ng/ml to 50 ng/ml, because it can be safely assumed that levels exceeding 50 ng/ml represent use of THC rather than exposure to side stream smoke.

infantrycak
09-06-2014, 10:21 PM
Damn Doc, you act like us football fans can read.

Texecutioner
09-07-2014, 12:16 AM
See this is what I don't get. I understand that Mary Jane is not as harmful as alcohol and getting a 1 year suspension is defiantly too severe where a player put a beatdown on his girl and only gets 2 games. there is some injustice...

HOWEVA!!!


Correct me if I am wrong, isn't this Gordon's 2nd-3rd time getting busted for substance abuse? Knowing or even having an idea of what could happen, shouldn't you be smart enough to stay as afar away from anything that might give you a positive result?

So basically he is gonna sue the NFL for his stupidity?

Am I wrong or is that not logical?

Yeah, as an avid pot smoker myself, I don't feel bad for him or see that he got hosed at all in this individual case. Only because he has had multiple offenses now where he knew the rules and the ramifications and he was to brain dead to comply when he had all of this to lose. You really have to be incredibly stupid to throw all of that away just to smoke some weed, when it isn't hard to stop for a few months. Plus, it is soooooo easy to pass NFL drug tests. My buddy used to work for a company that collected the urine samples, and they give them hours to prepare and it is scheduled. These guys have a good amount of time to clean their system out if they really needed to. Gordon's offenses may be silly and minor, but he refused to mature and comply with the rules to make the living he was making. I don't think he was treated poorly here. I'd also be fine if he got just an 8 game suspension as well.

The way people keep trying to compare his situation to Rice's situation are freaking i_diots. They aren't comparable at all, and Gordon has multiple offenses and situations that he should have learned from and made adjustments in his life towards.

CloakNNNdagger
09-12-2014, 01:29 PM
...
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 1m

When a new drug policy is approved as early as this afternoon, Josh Gordon's suspension expected to be reduced to 8 games, per source.

ChampionTexan
09-12-2014, 11:36 PM
And the latest (perhaps final?) answer is 10 games with another 2 possible - although those would likely be in 2015 if they happen.
A league source confirms that the Browns receiver’s suspension will be reduced from 16 to 10 games as a result of the new substance-abuse policy. The specifics aren’t clear, given that his latest positive test for marijuana exceeded the prior threshold of 15 ng/ml by only one ng/ml. The new limit is 35 ng/ml.

Gordon also will be subject to another two-game suspension once his pending DUI charges are resolved, if he is convicted or pleads guilty to the charges. It’s unlikely that those charges will be resolved before the end of the 2014 regular season.
LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/12/josh-gordon-will-be-suspended-10-games-under-new-drug-policy/)

CloakNNNdagger
09-13-2014, 08:21 AM
And the latest (perhaps final?) answer is 10 games with another 2 possible - although those would likely be in 2015 if they happen.

LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/12/josh-gordon-will-be-suspended-10-games-under-new-drug-policy/)

The 35 ng/ml limit is there to essentially eliminate any legitimacy to the "second-hand" smoke defense.

Playoffs
11-26-2014, 12:20 PM
Josh Gordon has gotten the cold shoulder from some Cleveland Browns since suspension, he says in interview (http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/11/josh_gordon_has_gotten_the_col.html)
"The lowest point of all this I think was the disassociation from a lot of friends you thought were close or you thought you were kind of cool with really not checking on you anymore, [not] hitting you up anymore, [not] wanting to hang out,'' Gordon says. "As far as even people in here (with the Browns), I don't want to throw names around, but I can see it.

"I'm definitely really observant so I see how people might just be more standoffish (than) they were before. It's kind of like a disease. People they want to see it, but they don't really want to touch it."
...
Gordon said he agreed with [Browns GM Ray]Farmer that he has to prove himself all over again to a new staff and some new teammates.
Yeah, that's what happens when you let people down too many times.

ChampionTexan
11-26-2014, 12:27 PM
Josh Gordon has gotten the cold shoulder from some Cleveland Browns since suspension, he says in interview (http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/11/josh_gordon_has_gotten_the_col.html)

Yeah, that's what happens when you let people down too many times.

But 15 targets in his first week back from suspension means the Browns are doing a good job in not letting the off the field attitude effect the on the field strategy.