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HoustonFrog
06-05-2013, 06:00 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/262882/ed-reed-i-could-miss-regular-season-games


Ed Reed (hip surgery) admits he might not be ready for Week 1.
Reed's injury hoodwink keeps getting worse for the Texans. "I plan on being back for Week 1," Reed said Wednesday. "But as you’ve known me for the longest time, I’m going to be smart about my injuries and make sure I’m there for the later part of the season when the team really needs me." Reed has gone from being ready for the start of camp, to potentially returning "midway through it" to not a guarantee for Week 1. Reed could still easily end up being ready for Week 1, but it's safe to say he would have never gotten his three-year, $15 million deal had the Texans known the true extent of his injury.
Source: Houston Chronicle Jun 5 - 3:25 PM

RipTraxx
06-05-2013, 06:03 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/262882/ed-reed-i-could-miss-regular-season-games

Hence why the Ravens let him go, and if you look at his incentive laid contract, i think our Front Office knew how bad it was.

LETS GO D.J. !!!!!

Double Barrel
06-05-2013, 06:16 PM
'eh, one big game changing play in the playoffs will make all if it worthwhile.

Hopefully some of his attitude and perspectives rub off on our secondary in the meantime.

GNTLEWOLF
06-05-2013, 06:21 PM
Can you say "Tony Boselli?"...

The Pencil Neck
06-05-2013, 06:29 PM
Can you say "Tony Boselli?"...

No.

I mean, I can. I just won't. Ever.

Tailgate
06-05-2013, 06:47 PM
At his age, all we need him for is the strectch run and playoffs.

CloakNNNdagger
06-05-2013, 06:56 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/262882/ed-reed-i-could-miss-regular-season-games

As I've said before, hip labrum surgery is seldom to be taken lightly.........and the hip problem for some football players may never disappear or may easily increase or recur with continued trauma. This new revelation, though, is shocking!...........simply shocking, I tell you!:kitten:

I expect the next hip specialist called in to examine Reed will correctly diagnose and permanently fix the problem.

http://www.gibbleguts.com/wp-content/uploads/jiffyhip-sm.jpg

eriadoc
06-05-2013, 06:58 PM
Can you say "Tony Boselli?"...

No, but I can say Ahman Green. And Eric Moulds.

Playoffs
06-05-2013, 07:28 PM
LETS GO D.J. !!!!!Yep.

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PHILLYTEXANFAN
06-05-2013, 07:41 PM
Store him away till now earlier than November

AngryNateFTW
06-05-2013, 07:43 PM
LOL at all the people who bought Ed Reed jersey's.

Nawzer
06-05-2013, 08:34 PM
Defense looks like it'll be pretty bad except for JJ Watt. Question marks all around with the linebacker situation, Earl Mitchell at the NT is an issue for me, and Ed Reed's health is a big concern.

thunderkyss
06-05-2013, 08:59 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/262882/ed-reed-i-could-miss-regular-season-gamesReed could still easily end up being ready for Week 1, but it's safe to say he would have never gotten his three-year, $15 million deal had the Texans known the true extent of his injury.


I don't know, necessarily, that it's safe to say that. Unless we're playing the New England Patriots week 1, it's possible we couldn't care less.

I'm sure the Texans are upset & probably feeling "violated" at this time. But we're not expecting Ed Reed to roam from sideline to sideline 20+ yards out game in & game out. We want him to bring some swagger & notoriety to our secondary & an extra half second for Jj Watt when it counts.

If the Texans had to chose between signing Ed Reed to $15M/3 years or Ed Reed retiring, I think they would have gone the same way. But still, they would have liked to have known all this before hand so they could work out their story, probably add a few stipulations to where Reed would do his rehab, that kind of stuff.

CloakNNNdagger
06-05-2013, 09:28 PM
You're right, we don't play NE until December 1. Though the important questions that we have no solid answers to now are:

1) Will he ever recover to the performance level that was expected when he was signed?

2) Will he re-injure his hip?

3) Will he suffer a new injury?

You may say that there is plenty of time for "recovery." But, the season is too long and there are too many important and tough games along the way between the beginning of the season and the playoffs to feel too "secure" with our new acquisition. Hopeful maybe........secure no.

thunderkyss
06-05-2013, 09:33 PM
You may say that there is plenty of time for "recovery." But, the season is too long and there are too many important and tough games along the way between the beginning of the season and the playoffs to feel too "secure" with our new acquisition. Hopeful maybe........secure no.

My point, was that signing him was not about having him available week 1. I'm only arguing the point about "safe to say" quote from the article.

EllisUnit
06-05-2013, 09:37 PM
My point, was that signing him was not about having him available week 1. I'm only arguing the point about "safe to say" quote from the article.

i'm not to worried, the game tape i have watched on D.J has me feeling pretty confident we have our safety of the future anyways. Plus the kid looks NFL ready to me !

thunderkyss
06-05-2013, 10:04 PM
i'm not to worried, the game tape i have watched on D.J has me feeling pretty confident we have our safety of the future anyways. Plus the kid looks NFL ready to me !

Unless you're feeling confident that Wade's man love for Shilo Keo has waned...... I'd be a little bit worried.

Playoffs
06-05-2013, 11:06 PM
Defense looks like it'll be pretty bad except for JJ Watt. Question marks all around with the linebacker situation, Earl Mitchell at the NT is an issue for me, and Ed Reed's health is a big concern.

Healthy Cushing & JJo, better in the pass rush rotation, Reed can be rotated inside. Mitchell >= Cody. Swearinger is already in nickle & dime and has great ball skills. If all we get out of Reed is commitment to coaching up the young guys, I'm optimistic.

Lechler will be an important upgrade, as well.

Tailgate
06-05-2013, 11:34 PM
You're right, we don't play NE until December 1. Though the important questions that we have no solid answers to now are:

1) Will he ever recover to the performance level that was expected when he was signed?

2) Will he re-injure his hip?

3) Will he suffer a new injury?

You may say that there is plenty of time for "recovery." But, the season is too long and there are too many important and tough games along the way between the beginning of the season and the playoffs to feel too "secure" with our new acquisition. Hopeful maybe........secure no.

I am secure in knowing that in the NFL you can never feel secure.

RagingBull
06-05-2013, 11:57 PM
You're right, we don't play NE until December 1. Though the important questions that we have no solid answers to now are:

1) Will he ever recover to the performance level that was expected when he was signed?

2) Will he re-injure his hip?

3) Will he suffer a new injury?

You may say that there is plenty of time for "recovery." But, the season is too long and there are too many important and tough games along the way between the beginning of the season and the playoffs to feel too "secure" with our new acquisition. Hopeful maybe........secure no.

I think it comes down to the same thing it always does in the NFL (and life)...Risk/Reward ratio. In this situation there is an above "average" risk we will get substandard or no production from our FA safety. However there is a significant chance that we get a handful of game changing plays that can make the difference between being a superbowl champ or a 1 and done team. The cost of this is $5 million. Certainly we could have spent that money on a lower risk/lower reward proposition. But those guys can get hurt and be out for the season too. IMO, the Texans knew exactly what they were doing/getting. It remains to be seen if it will pay off or not. I think part of the reason there is excitement about Ed Reed is this represents a 180 degree change from what everyone expected Rick Smith to do based upon prior history, which would have dictated that he get another guy like Manning.

The Third Man
06-06-2013, 01:04 AM
Defense looks like it'll be pretty bad except for JJ Watt. Question marks all around with the linebacker situation, Earl Mitchell at the NT is an issue for me, and Ed Reed's health is a big concern.

No way. They are going to light people up.

GNTLEWOLF
06-06-2013, 09:31 AM
No.

I mean, I can. I just won't. Ever.

OK...how about Dominick Davis/Williams???

HOU-TEX
06-06-2013, 09:44 AM
Imo, anyone who has ever heard Ed Reed interview should know to take what he says with a grain of salt. He's only missed 16 games in 11 years, 0 in the past 2. Let's wait until Aug-Sept before we start throwing FA bust comparisons out there

Hervoyel
06-06-2013, 11:05 AM
Can you say "Tony Boselli?"...

No, this is nothing like that.

Now it might be "Ahman Green" but I think we need Reed less than we needed Green at that time. It's bad if Reed doesn't come through but it's not like we have nothing else back there. When Green didn't come through the Texans were just kind of screwed.

IDEXAN
06-06-2013, 11:06 AM
Just so he's ready for the Playoffs.

CloakNNNdagger
06-06-2013, 11:33 AM
No, but I can say Ahman Green. And Eric Moulds.

It's somewhat interesting to look back in comparison at this March 2007 TexansTalk post re. Green. He came in with a better historical injury and performance track record prior to the Texans signing him. He certainly was not signed with a significant injury. But then it just didn't work out.

The myths of Ahman Green

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Browsing this board and a few of the Chronicle blogs, it seems there are a lot of folks who love to whine for the sake of whining without actually understanding the subject of what they're arguing. So, I figured it'd be good to have a single thread to dismiss most of these lies.

1. Why sign a running back who's injury-prone?

Well, because he's not. He had one leg injury two years ago - other than that, his track record has been one of incredible durability. 16 games, 14 games, 16 games, 16 games, 14 games, 16 games, 15 games, 5 years, and 14 games. You tell me which is the outlier among Green's nine seasons in the league. If anything, durability with Green is a positive, not a negative.

2. He's aging and washed up. A has been.

Do washed up has-beens accumulate almost 1,500 yards from scrimmage on about 300 touches last season? Do they average 4 YPC behind a poor offensive line (probably worse at run blocking than ours) and catch 46 passes at more than 8 YPC? Pop quiz: for all the love Reggie Bush gets for his versatility, who had more combined offensive yards (rushing + receiving) last season for a higher yards per touch - Reggie Bush, or Ahman Green? If you answered the latter, you'd be correct. If Green is a has been based on last season, I guess that makes Bush a never was.

3. Why not Travis Henry?

Because Henry averaged 3.5 YPC in 2004, 3.8 in 2005, and 2.7 in 2006 until VY showed up, when his YPC instantly shot up. Coincidence? I think not. Henry looked poor for three consecutive seasons, until he was able to benefit from the zone read scheme that made linebackers a step slow because they had to account for the possibility of Young faking the handoff and keeping it himself. Second, want to talk injury prone? That label applies to Henry - a guy with multiple nagging injuries - moreso than it does to Green, a durable player with one significant injury his entire career.

4. Running backs at 30 or older never do anything.

I guess someone forgot to tell that to Tiki Barber, who rushed for 1860 and 1662 yards the last two seasons on more than 5 YPC to go with approximately 500 receiving yards. I guess someone forgot to tell that to Warrick Dunn, who rushed for 1416 yards and 1140 yards the last two seasons, at 5 and 4 YPC. I guess someone forgot to tell that to Fred Taylor, who rushed for 1146 yards at 5 YPC last season. While a majority of backs are young, by no means is it a rule or requirement.

5. Why sign a reject that other teams didn't want?

Green Bay tried to re-sign him. Denver tried to sign him. The logic of "why sign so and so because so and so's old team let him go" can be applied to every free agent in the history of free agency. If you believe in that, why pursue anyone other than in the draft? Green had plenty of other suitors, but we offered the deal to get him here and he took it.

6. Why take another Packer or Bronco?

Yeah, I'm sure it's an obsession thing. Or maybe, just maybe, the Texans had a need at RB, and looked at all their options. They wanted someone with a proven track record - how's 6 out of 7 1,000 yard seasons sound? They wanted someone with experience behind a bad offensive line - how's the worst run-blocking OL in the league last season (Green Bay) sound? They wanted someone with experience with the zone blocking scheme - guess what Green Bay runs? They wanted someone with sound character to step up and be a leader - that's one thing Green is known for. They wanted someone to be a receiver out of the backfield - how does 46 catches at more than 8 YPC sound? Along with four seasons of 50 receptions or more? They wanted someone to step in for 2-3 seasons while a back for the future is developed via the draft - how's a 30 year old with about 2-3 really good years left in the tank sound?

Maybe it's not because they're obsessed with Packer running backs. Maybe it's because he's a really good fit. Think about it.

7. Why sign anyone so old? We're not going to contend in the next couple of years.

Yeah! That's the spirit! Don't even try in the next couple of years - that'll help build support for this franchise! Also, remember what happened the last time this team cut veteran leadership (Glenn and Sharper) and the dropoff that ensued when the team was put almost exclusively put in younger hands? Every team needs veteran leadership, particularly at skill positions, to direct the offense and help younger players. It's a vital part of building a team.

8. Why overpay for a 30-year old RB?

Well, first of all, running backs in the top five for the decade with 6 of 7 thousand-yard seasons (including last season) with good receiving skills don't come asking to play for the minimum. Secondly, this is the Houston Texans, not the Indianapolis Colts. This has been one of the worst teams in football for five years now. You think players are begging to play here? You have to pay a premium, change the culture, get some wins, and then potentially reap the rewards. It's a phase of rebuilding - either deal with it, or plan on rebuilding for a whole lot longer.



None of this is to say the signing is perfect - it certainly has its risks. But a few folks sound like they're complaining simply for the sake of complaining, rather than it being sound judgment and reasoning. These responses should answer some of the negativity.

eriadoc
06-06-2013, 12:34 PM
It's somewhat interesting to look back in comparison at this March 2007 TexansTalk post re. Green. He came in with a better historical injury and performance track record prior to the Texans signing him. He certainly was not signed with a significant injury. But then it just didn't work out.

That's actually why it's an apt comparison. There were signs, in the case of Green, of what was to come. You don't take a guy who is injured or has been injured frequently of late, and expect him to improve at age 30, in Green's case. What Green did as a Texan was predictable.

Reed suffered from injury last season, despite playing through it, and his production suffered. To expect him to return to form at his age is just unrealistic. JMO, but it was stupid to let Quin go in favor of Reed, especially when the money was effectively the same. I was hoping for Swearinger on draft day, however, so I have hope that it won't matter much.

deucetx
06-06-2013, 12:47 PM
Unless you're feeling confident that Wade's man love for Shilo Keo has waned...... I'd be a little bit worried.

This. Folks keep thinking 'Well DJ can step in for him!'. Well one, he's still a rookie and unproven at this point. We all think he can but there is no certainity there. But let's say he does step in and fills the role in a solid manner. I am expecting him to just like others but you are still forgetting that Wade employs a system that utilizes THREE safeties when we face spreads and we face them often enough. Not to mention we struggled against spreads last year as it is.

So who is that third safety if Reed is down? At this point it is Keo. Unless Keo has vastly improved that is a scary proposition.

Imatexanfan
06-06-2013, 12:52 PM
uggghhh.....I'm sick to my stomach and getting light headed..looks like Ima be heading to sick call tomorrow morning...........:kubepalm:

Playoffs
06-06-2013, 01:40 PM
...Reed talked about his new team in Houston and his ongoing recovery from a surgical procedure on his hip.

“In going through this process of having to have surgery, I couldn’t have any other organization behind me the way this organization is standing behind me and understanding this process,” Reed said. “Understanding that I’m doing everything possible, and will do everything possible to be at that first game.”

Reed has been rehabbing in Atlanta, and according to head coach Gary Kubiak, will join the team for minicamp on Tuesday.

“He’ll be here next week,” Kubiak said after yesterday's OTA. “He’ll be here basically for just an evaluation process. Obviously he can’t do anything. We know who’s working with him in Atlanta and then we’ll get him here next week.”

In addition to his praise for the Texans’ organization and its response to his surgery, Reed also spoke highly of his head coach, defensive coordinator Wade Phillips and secondary coach Vance Joseph.

“Coach Kubiak is one of the coolest coaches I’ve ever met, and Wade is so laid back you can’t do anything but enjoy him,” Reed said. “And my position coach is really cool.”

Reed also described Houston as being “home”. He and the Texans will go through mandatory work at the Methodist Training Center on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday before taking the last long break of the offseason. Training camp will begin in late July.http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Ed-Reed-talks-Texans-after-White-House-visit/53e2ccd2-d990-4337-9642-8014edbb4fc9

CloakNNNdagger
06-06-2013, 02:06 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Ed-Reed-talks-Texans-after-White-House-visit/53e2ccd2-d990-4337-9642-8014edbb4fc9

his praise for the Texans’ organization.........response to his surgery

What else can they do? With a non-incentive-based $5 million guaranteed contract signed with an "unknown" injury that requires surgery with an indeterminable prognosis, they are probably walking on egg shells not to highlight their perceived possible "mistake" or upset their investment or push him to the point of causing a setback.

Playoffs
06-06-2013, 02:53 PM
What else can they do? With a non-incentive-based $5 million guaranteed contract signed with an "unknown" injury that requires surgery with an indeterminable prognosis, they are probably walking on egg shells not to highlight their perceived possible "mistake" or upset their investment or push him to the point of causing a setback.

I think they could force him to rehab here with their own people, perhaps even require use of their own doctors. Generally treat him in a manner of distrust versus treating him in a way that says "we know you're a professional and handling this in the best way for your quickest recovery."

Reed has spoken many times to his disappointment with how things were dealt with with his prior team/organization. The milk is spilled ... need to maximize what we can from the situation.

CloakNNNdagger
06-06-2013, 03:29 PM
I think they could force him to rehab here with their own people, perhaps even require use of their own doctors. Generally treat him in a manner of distrust versus treating him in a way that says "we know you're a professional and handling this in the best way for your quickest recovery."

Reed has spoken many times to his disappointment with how things were dealt with with his prior team/organization. The milk is spilled ... need to maximize what we can from the situation.


I understand what you're saying. But unfortunately, I believe the Texans have absolutely no leverage to force him to do anything.

eriadoc
06-06-2013, 03:45 PM
I think they could force him to rehab here with their own people, perhaps even require use of their own doctors. Generally treat him in a manner of distrust versus treating him in a way that says "we know you're a professional and handling this in the best way for your quickest recovery."

This is a guy they just signed and want to receive value for. I don't see how treating him "in a manner of distrust" is going to foster the type of relationship that yields the best results.

They didn't do enough homework and it was a risky signing anyway, just because he's an older player coming off recent injury. They're basically up a creek and Ed Reed's doctors and genetics have the only paddle.

badboy
06-06-2013, 03:59 PM
Wonder if Glover Quin will be on field game one?

thunderkyss
06-06-2013, 04:58 PM
Wonder if Glover Quin will be on field game one?

If we went out & drafted a safety anyway, now that I think about it, I wonder why we didn't sign GQ. He didn't sign some crazy, "we won't be able to sign anyone else" type deal. We've still got several contacts that could have been redone to make the room needed.

I wonder if the Texans overvalued Glover, priced themselves out of the market.

CloakNNNdagger
06-06-2013, 05:58 PM
If we went out & drafted a safety anyway, now that I think about it, I wonder why we didn't sign GQ. He didn't sign some crazy, "we won't be able to sign anyone else" type deal. We've still got several contacts that could have been redone to make the room needed.

I wonder if the Texans overvalued Glover, priced themselves out of the market.

The Lions gave him a $23 mil/5 year contract. But the only guaranteed money was the $1.5 mil signing bonus x each of the 5 years (total of $5.25 mil). His base salary for this year was only $1 mil (cap hit....$2.5 mil). It then escalates to $4 mil/year for the next 4 years though).

Vance87
06-06-2013, 06:10 PM
http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_NFL/201306041117406476847-p2.jpg

I miss him already.

Playoffs
06-06-2013, 06:22 PM
Wonder if Glover Quin will be on field game one?

For the Lions? No doubt.

thunderkyss
06-06-2013, 06:44 PM
The Lions gave him a $23 mil/5 year contract. But the only guaranteed money was the $1.5 mil signing bonus x each of the 5 years (total of $5.25 mil). His base salary for this year was only $1 mil (cap hit....$2.5 mil). It then escalates to $4 mil/year for the next 4 years though).

So you agree? Surely you don't think $4M/yr is too much for Quin?

I (like the Texans probably did) like him. I think he would have blew up in year 3 as our safety in this system. Nigh Pro Bowl, All-Pro. The chances of him being the guy we need in year 3 of this system & Ed Reed (much respect, don't get me wrong, but your medical diagnoses is part of the reason) being that guy is pretty much the same... maybe slight edge to GQ.

I think $4M/yr is about what the average starter should get (so I think Quin would have been a steal). 22 starters x $4M/yr, that's only $88M. With a $120M cap, that leaves you with $32M to sign your franchise players & the rest of your 53.

Say Antonio Smith's $9M number. $4M would come from the $88M we accounted for our starters, $5M from the $32M, leaving you $27M for your Schaubs, Andres, Arians, DBrowns etc...

Of course not all our starters make $4M.... the number is just an average, where I'm saying a starter should be making $4M. Our RT, RG, FB, WR2, TE2, ILB(next to Cushing), NT, OLB(Not named Whitney), etc..... won't be making $4M/yr.

Quin is worth $4M/yr easily in my mind.

CloakNNNdagger
06-06-2013, 09:39 PM
So you agree? Surely you don't think $4M/yr is too much for Quin?

I (like the Texans probably did) like him. I think he would have blew up in year 3 as our safety in this system. Nigh Pro Bowl, All-Pro. The chances of him being the guy we need in year 3 of this system & Ed Reed (much respect, don't get me wrong, but your medical diagnoses is part of the reason) being that guy is pretty much the same... maybe slight edge to GQ.

I think $4M/yr is about what the average starter should get (so I think Quin would have been a steal). 22 starters x $4M/yr, that's only $88M. With a $120M cap, that leaves you with $32M to sign your franchise players & the rest of your 53.

Say Antonio Smith's $9M number. $4M would come from the $88M we accounted for our starters, $5M from the $32M, leaving you $27M for your Schaubs, Andres, Arians, DBrowns etc...

Of course not all our starters make $4M.... the number is just an average, where I'm saying a starter should be making $4M. Our RT, RG, FB, WR2, TE2, ILB(next to Cushing), NT, OLB(Not named Whitney), etc..... won't be making $4M/yr.

Quin is worth $4M/yr easily in my mind.

I was sad when Quin was allowed to walk.

The points that were made against keeping him were topped by:
1)his "limitations" at his position
2)his "limitations" regarding his peak
3)Reed could be an on-field coach

I would have to counter with:
1)Reed certainly showed limitations at his position last year (and now the hip leaves us with more questions)
2)Reed's peek days are behind him and can only trend towards decline
3)If we wanted another secondary coach, we could get the best for $3-400,000

It appears that if the Texans really wanted to keep Quin, it could have probably happened.

eriadoc
06-06-2013, 10:29 PM
I was sad when Quin was allowed to walk.

The points that were made against keeping him were topped by:
1)his "limitations" at his position
2)his "limitations" regarding his peak
3)Reed could be an on-field coach

I would have to counter with:
1)Reed certainly showed limitations at his position last year (and now the hip leaves us with more questions)
2)Reed's peek days are behind him and can only trend towards decline
3)If we wanted another secondary coach, we could get the best for $3-400,000

It appears that if the Texans really wanted to keep Quin, it could have probably happened.

MSR.

Perki-Perk
06-11-2013, 08:42 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Ed-Reed-back-with-Texans-for-mini-camp-continuing-rehab/d60699f2-d064-496e-9a42-d867d3c50e28

“I knew there was something there, but it didn’t seem major at all,” Reed said. “It was a slight tear, and we did due diligence on both sides – me, my doctor, Kap (Texans head athletic trainer Geoff Kaplan) and the head doctor here. We all put our heads together to make the best decision, and that (surgery) was the best decision.”

EVOLVIST
06-11-2013, 11:20 PM
This is what burns me up. All off the below :pissed:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Minicamp-Day-1/9e04bb86-0d1c-4a86-989b-328a0eff7865

FS Ed Reed

(on if he feels like a Texan now that he is in Houston) “Yeah, man. Once I got finished collecting my money from my other team, you know, finished up counting, I gave it a 24-hour grace period to kind of let that soak in and make that transition, to really get acclimated. It’s good money. Guys are welcoming, like it was when I first came. Just starting to get it going.”

(on potentially playing in the first game of the season) “Like I said, I'm going to keep counting money this offseason. Once training camp comes I’ll have a better bead on it, as far as how much I've got. Right now, I can tell you, it’s going well; going really good. No bounced checks. I’m actually just coming from counting my money right now. As you can see, I’m a little fatigued from it getting the best of me. You know, that’s part of it. It’s looking really good right now.”

(on if he’ll be disappointed if he’s not ready to play in Week 1) “Like I said, I'm going to continue to count. No disappointments because bankin' is a process. I’m going to keep counting. Come training camp, like I said, I’ll have a better bead on it, a better feel for it. Right now, it’s still offseason and I've got to get paid.”

(on if he was surprised that he needed surgery and how that worked out) “Yeah. I mean, I knew. I knew there was something there but it didn’t seem major until that first check. Honestly, it was a slight tear and we did due diligence on both sides. Me, my doctor, Kap (Texans director of sports medicine and head athletic trainer Geoff Kaplan), the head doctor here and Dr. (Marc) Philippon; we all put our heads together to make the best decision and that was the best decision. I mean Kap has fat stacks, too, and Philippon enjoys his bourbon and hot tub hoes."

(on if having this injury could be a benefit in the sense that if he’s not ready to play until Week 3 or 4, he may be fresher at the end of the season) “We’re going to go through the money counting process. I don’t know when I’ll be back. I know what my goal is and I know what the team goal is. But I know being here and just talking to everybody and even when you see Mr. Bob (McNair) there, it’s about being smart and looking kind of sad when he's around. Money is a grind, man. Money is a grind. Of course, you never want to have surgery. I fought with it, man, because I know that sh!t cost a lot of change! ‘You’ve got to make a decision.’ And I’m in the office by myself, just praying, ‘Lord, save my money.’ Because I don’t want to have surgery if I don’t have to. But the smartest thing to do, the smartest decision at the time was to have surgery.”

(on President Barack Obama saying he looked like an old man) “I mean, he’s not lying. I’ve been having the gray hairs since my first paper route. My bank, working with money and stuff, it tends to do that. When you’re trying to count that sh!t up, it tends to put a little bit more stress on you than the norm. It’s something I embrace, Obviously, I don’t cut my hair. I’m not putting the Just For Men in there to try to hide the gray and what not. It’s something I embrace as part of me. It says a lot. I have a lot of money and it takes a lifetime of counting.”

(on what he was saying back to President Barack Obama at the White House) “I just told him, ‘You know what your job can do to you.’ And he was like, ‘I understand exactly what you’re saying. I've been lying and counting your money for years now!’ It was a great time and I really enjoyed it.”

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/EVOLVIST/Reed_49_zpsded73576.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/EVOLVIST/media/Reed_49_zpsded73576.jpg.html)

*the above was purely fictional, for satirical purposes only.

Texn4life
06-12-2013, 12:15 AM
Sounds a little like a guy playing his 100th season that wouldn't mind missing some of the grind of training camp. You'd like to see him getting reps with the defense, but Reed is such a student of the game I really don't think he needs much practice time to do what we hope for him to do this year. Maybe I'm the only one not really panicking or all that worried right now.

HOU-TEX
06-12-2013, 11:26 AM
I was watching the last game against the Colts last night and must say, Quin had a rough game. I've re-watched a few games from last season and have come to the conclusion that we might've overrated Quin. I love the way he tackles, but his coverage is average to below average. That said, I was wary on the Reed signing and am still kinda meh until I see him on the field. Hopefully DJ is as good as the early reports are saying.

*Schaub's poorly thrown ball to Casey that was picked angrified me all over again. As well as settling for FGs and crappy STs

Texans_Chick
06-12-2013, 02:49 PM
I was watching the last game against the Colts last night and must say, Quin had a rough game. I've re-watched a few games from last season and have come to the conclusion that we might've overrated Quin. I love the way he tackles, but his coverage is average to below average. That said, I was wary on the Reed signing and am still kinda meh until I see him on the field. Hopefully DJ is as good as the early reports are saying.

*Schaub's poorly thrown ball to Casey that was picked angrified me all over again. As well as settling for FGs and crappy STs

According to Pro Football Focus charting, Quin had 4 below average games, 5 above average games, 9 sort of meh games.

Worst games were against Indy the second time, Green Bay, Patriots regular season, Chicago. Also had the terrible Patriots mic'd up segment in playoffs that was ooof.

Reed, like the Ravens last year, had a very feast or famine year: 7 below average games, 6 above average games, 7 sort of meh games.

Interestingly, his better games skew towards the beginning of the season, including the early matchup against NE.

Ultimately, think Swearinger is a reflection of going cheaper/younger, hoping for more upside. And Reed is more about intangibles, and hoping that last year was more of an anomaly, a risk-reward choice. PFF rated him 59th last year, but in previous years of their ratings (2011-2008) he was: 12th, 9th, 2nd, 4th. All of those rankings are higher than any safety the Texans have ever had.

I'm also thinking that safety rankings may have a lot to do with rankings of a defense as a whole. Despite winning a SB last year, Ravens defense struggled for much of the regular season, got healthy at right time.

badboy
06-13-2013, 11:23 AM
This is what burns me up. All off the below :pissed:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Minicamp-Day-1/9e04bb86-0d1c-4a86-989b-328a0eff7865



http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/EVOLVIST/Reed_49_zpsded73576.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/EVOLVIST/media/Reed_49_zpsded73576.jpg.html)

*the above was purely fictional, for satirical purposes only.Interesting that you have joined those who make claims in big letters then the qualifyer comes in tiny print at bottom.

EVOLVIST
06-13-2013, 12:23 PM
Interesting that you have joined those who make claims in big letters then the qualifyer comes in tiny print at bottom.

That's the nature of satire. See: Clemens, Samuel L. Or Swift, Johnathan. You don't give away the punchline at the beginning . In fact, satire needs no caveat to the discerning reader. I just added that because I don't want Ed or his peeps coming after MY money on the libel tip.

thunderkyss
06-13-2013, 05:24 PM
Interesting that you have joined those who make claims in big letters then the qualifyer comes in tiny print at bottom.

I thought it was funny as hell.

I imagined a Grady Wilson voice.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2087/1963170100_3df6c2c224.jpg


Can't stop laughing really.

76Texan
06-13-2013, 06:30 PM
I was watching the last game against the Colts last night and must say, Quin had a rough game. I've re-watched a few games from last season and have come to the conclusion that we might've overrated Quin. I love the way he tackles, but his coverage is average to below average. That said, I was wary on the Reed signing and am still kinda meh until I see him on the field. Hopefully DJ is as good as the early reports are saying.

*Schaub's poorly thrown ball to Casey that was picked angrified me all over again. As well as settling for FGs and crappy STs

I do think Quin was overrated by some as well.

He was a good player, but I don't think he's worth $4-5M a year.

ObsiWan
06-14-2013, 03:27 PM
Edit:
Nope... this conversation doesn't belong here...
back to football

HoustonFrog
07-20-2013, 11:43 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2222/ed-reed

According to the Houston Chronicle, "nobody has any clue" when new Texans FS Ed Reed (hip surgery) will be healthy and ready to play.
Despite optimism from Houston's front office, pretty much all signs point toward Reed being damaged goods. It appears the Texans were #Ozzied. Reed himself has been wholly noncommittal on his return timetable. Turning 35 in September, there's a legitimate chance Reed is the Texans' next version of Ahman Green. Jul 20 - 10:52 PM

BullBlitz
07-21-2013, 08:13 AM
Defense looks like it'll be pretty bad except for JJ Watt. Question marks all around with the linebacker situation, Earl Mitchell at the NT is an issue for me, and Ed Reed's health is a big concern.

I'm not convinced that the defense will be "pretty bad", but I believe it will take a big step back from last year.

Positives - Watt and Smith can hold their own. The corners are solid with KJ and JJ. And Manning is strong.

Negatives - Mitchell at NG in a 3/4. Cushing's actual recovery. Reed, Mercilus and Sharpton as the rest of the LB corps. Replacing Quin.

Double team Watt and average teams will be able to run against us.

thunderkyss
07-21-2013, 08:31 AM
I'm not convinced that the defense will be "pretty bad", but I believe it will take a big step back from last year.

Positives - Watt and Smith can hold their own. The corners are solid with KJ and JJ. And Manning is strong.

Negatives - Mitchell at NG in a 3/4. Cushing's actual recovery. Reed, Mercilus and Sharpton as the rest of the LB corps. Replacing Quin.

Double team Watt and average teams will be able to run against us.

MSR


:texan:

drs23
07-21-2013, 11:05 AM
I'm not convinced that the defense will be "pretty bad", but I believe it will take a big step back from last year.

Positives - Watt and Smith can hold their own. The corners are solid with KJ and JJ. And Manning is strong.

Negatives - Mitchell at NG in a 3/4. Cushing's actual recovery. Reed, Mercilus and Sharpton as the rest of the LB corps. Replacing Quin.

Double team Watt and average teams will be able to run against us.

Really?! JJ was doubled, tripled, chipped and schemed against all season and was still the DPOY as well as being in the conversation as overall POY. So, now all the opposition has to do is double team him for "average teams" to run against us?

Where is your logic here? I'm not seeing it.

BullBlitz
07-21-2013, 11:16 AM
Really?! JJ was doubled, tripled, chipped and schemed against all season and was still the DPOY as well as being in the conversation as overall POY. So, now all the opposition has to do is double team him for "average teams" to run against us?

Where is your logic here? I'm not seeing it.

My implication was that if our opponents do what they can to contain Watt as best as possible like they did last year with minimal success, the remaining 10 players on our defense this season don't look as good as the remaining 10 did last year. They ran on us last year fairly well despite Watt so I expect more of the same.

EllisUnit
07-21-2013, 11:19 AM
My implication was that if our opponents do what they can to contain Watt as best as possible like they did last year with minimal success, the remaining 10 players on our defense this season don't look as good as the remaining 10 did last year. They ran on us last year fairly well despite Watt so I expect more of the same.

Mainly without Cushing that is, other than that what did Barwin really do last season ? He wasnt that good, Merciuls in his limited time actually played better than barwin. So we get Cush back, Mercilus will be in a lot more. We have Manning and DJ, i actually see our D being just as good if not better.

Texn4life
07-21-2013, 11:23 AM
Pretty funny quote from McClain considering he doesn't have a clue in general.

BullBlitz
07-21-2013, 11:26 AM
Mainly without Cushing that is, other than that what did Barwin really do last season ? He wasnt that good, Merciuls in his limited time actually played better than barwin. So we get Cush back, Mercilus will be in a lot more. We have Manning and DJ, i actually see our D being just as good if not better.

The good news is that the season is close, so we will soon find out. I hope you are right.

Vinny
07-21-2013, 12:25 PM
old, injured player past his prime....kinda what I said when the deal went down. How much vet leadership did Ahman Green give that overcame his lack of ability to get on the field as a difference maker?

The Pencil Neck
07-21-2013, 12:47 PM
My implication was that if our opponents do what they can to contain Watt as best as possible like they did last year with minimal success, the remaining 10 players on our defense this season don't look as good as the remaining 10 did last year. They ran on us last year fairly well despite Watt so I expect more of the same.

First off, we were 7th against the run last year, 10th if you want to look at ypc. So most teams did not run on us "fairly well" last year. We had some issues with our OLBs, ILBs, and NT last year not playing up to what we would have liked. I think we're going to see improved play from both the NT and ILB spots this year and I think our OLB rotation got more athletic.

I don't know if we're going to improve much from last year but I don't expect to get a lot worse, either.

thunderkyss
07-21-2013, 04:44 PM
My implication was that if our opponents do what they can to contain Watt as best as possible like they did last year with minimal success, the remaining 10 players on our defense this season don't look as good as the remaining 10 did last year. They ran on us last year fairly well despite Watt so I expect more of the same.

The Packers & Patriots found a way to minimize Jj Watt. The Patriots did it twice. The blue print is out there, I agree with you, that more teams will copy that blue print.....

It's the same for Kaepernick, Wilson, & RG3. Teams will figure them out.

It's possible that Watt can be like Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Ronnie Lot, Deion Sanders..... & he finds a way to produce at an elite level regardless. But those guys are rare & I haven't seen one on the defense side of the ball in a long, long time.

Ray Lewis & Brian Urlacher...... maybe?

thunderkyss
07-21-2013, 04:46 PM
old, injured player past his prime....kinda what I said when the deal went down. How much vet leadership did Ahman Green give that overcame his lack of ability to get on the field as a difference maker?

So you & John McClain think alike? You should be proud.

BullBlitz
07-21-2013, 06:25 PM
The Packers & Patriots found a way to minimize Jj Watt. The Patriots did it twice. The blue print is out there, I agree with you, that more teams will copy that blue print.....

It's the same for Kaepernick, Wilson, & RG3. Teams will figure them out.

It's possible that Watt can be like Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Ronnie Lot, Deion Sanders..... & he finds a way to produce at an elite level regardless. But those guys are rare & I haven't seen one on the defense side of the ball in a long, long time.

Ray Lewis & Brian Urlacher...... maybe?

Just to be clear, I do believe that Watt is special, and will be one of those guys who can personally make a difference despite being double-teamed or strategically planned for. Definitely one of the best football players in the NFL.

I just don't believe that his 10 remaining defensive teammates are going to be any better than just OK. Not bad, but not great. So I think that decent offenses will have a chance to score 17-24 points on us. Our offense just has to deliver.

Texn4life
07-21-2013, 06:41 PM
Why does Blitz keep saying "us"? I'm confused.

BullBlitz
07-21-2013, 06:43 PM
Why does Blitz keep saying "us"? I'm confused.

That's nothing new.

EllisUnit
07-21-2013, 07:09 PM
The Packers & Patriots found a way to minimize Jj Watt. The Patriots did it twice. The blue print is out there, I agree with you, that more teams will copy that blue print.....

It's the same for Kaepernick, Wilson, & RG3. Teams will figure them out.

It's possible that Watt can be like Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Ronnie Lot, Deion Sanders..... & he finds a way to produce at an elite level regardless. But those guys are rare & I haven't seen one on the defense side of the ball in a long, long time.

Ray Lewis & Brian Urlacher...... maybe?

Not every team has the tools, talent and QB to follow that blue print. And Didnt Watt get to Rogers twice ? and he hit brady like 5 times in the first meeting, would be more worried about the LBs and CBs in coverage than the ability of JJ Watt in those games.

thunderkyss
07-21-2013, 07:57 PM
Why does Blitz keep saying "us"? I'm confused.

People think he's a Colts fan. I'm unsure. I think he's a Texans fan who just really hates Schaub. He likes the Colts as opposed to the Texans because they had Peyton, then got Luck.. "looks" like they are doing everything right, while we waste our time with Schaub.

amazing80
07-21-2013, 08:20 PM
At least they took out insurance in DJ. TBH as long as he mentors DJ and could potentially help us in the PLAYOFFS, I would be fine with it.

PapaL
07-21-2013, 09:43 PM
At least they took out insurance in DJ. TBH as long as he mentors DJ and could potentially help us in the PLAYOFFS, I would be fine with it.

This is my mind set as well. I realize its PreSeason but DJ looks legit! Will he make mistakes? No doubt. What he will need to know to decipher what he sees and react to it. That is taught in the film room.

HOU-TEX
07-22-2013, 09:41 AM
The Packers & Patriots found a way to minimize Jj Watt. The Patriots did it twice. The blue print is out there, I agree with you, that more teams will copy that blue print.....

It's the same for Kaepernick, Wilson, & RG3. Teams will figure them out.

It's possible that Watt can be like Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Ronnie Lot, Deion Sanders..... & he finds a way to produce at an elite level regardless. But those guys are rare & I haven't seen one on the defense side of the ball in a long, long time.

Ray Lewis & Brian Urlacher...... maybe?

Hmm, the Packers minimized him to 2 sacks, 5 tackles and 1 assist. The Patriots did a better job on him, holding him to .5 sacks, 3 tackles, 5 assists and 1 forced fumble.

Can't say it's much of a blueprint, but if teams want to use it...go for it.

The Pencil Neck
07-22-2013, 12:14 PM
Just to be clear, I do believe that Watt is special, and will be one of those guys who can personally make a difference despite being double-teamed or strategically planned for. Definitely one of the best football players in the NFL.

I just don't believe that his 10 remaining defensive teammates are going to be any better than just OK. Not bad, but not great. So I think that decent offenses will have a chance to score 17-24 points on us. Our offense just has to deliver.

Just to give some context to this...

17 points per game over an entire season comes to 272 points total. Last year, only 1 defense did better than that: the Seahawks who gave up 15 points per game. We gave up 20 points per game and we were ranked 10th in the league.

24 points per game over an entire season comes to 384 points total. Last year, that would have been good enough for 20th and better than the Colts, Cowboys, Redskins, Jaguars, and Titans... among others.

Our defense was doing pretty good, keeping most opponents under 20 points, until the last several games of the season. I think our issues at ILB were just too much by that point and people started taking advantage of us. If we can keep Cush upright and playing fierce, I think we can improve our points allowed per game.

If we can do that, we're going to be tough to beat.

HOU-TEX
07-22-2013, 12:17 PM
Just to give some context to this...

17 points per game over an entire season comes to 272 points total. Last year, only 1 defense did better than that: the Seahawks who gave up 15 points per game. We gave up 20 points per game and we were ranked 10th in the league.

24 points per game over an entire season comes to 384 points total. Last year, that would have been good enough for 20th and better than the Colts, Cowboys, Redskins, Jaguars, and Titans... among others.

Our defense was doing pretty good, keeping most opponents under 20 points, until the last several games of the season. I think our issues at ILB were just too much by that point and people started taking advantage of us. If we can keep Cush upright and playing fierce, I think we can improve our points allowed per game.

If we can do that, we're going to be tough to beat.

Especially the Pats. Our ILBs were getting abused in the passing game. They knew it was our weakest link and attacked the heck out of it.

CloakNNNdagger
08-22-2013, 10:35 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 6h

Ed Reed’s contract has $1 million worth of per-game incentives, meaning for each game he plays, Reed collects $62,500.


Interesting in that incentives are categorized as either "Likely to be Earned" (LTBE) or "Not Likely to be Earned" (NLTBE). Their names are pretty self explanatory. LTBE incentives count towards the cap while NLTBE incentives do not. But the way it goes is that if the player achieves those NLTBE incentives then they count toward the following year's cap. So how would you really categorize Reed's incentive??:thinking:

Wolf6151
08-23-2013, 04:29 AM
I'd catagorize his incentives as very doubtful, just like his chances of seeing the field in the first half of the season. This FA signing is backfiring on us so far, we'll see what happens for the season but it's not looking good.

Tailgate
08-23-2013, 07:47 AM
I'd catagorize his incentives as very doubtful, just like his chances of seeing the field in the first half of the season. This FA signing is backfiring on us so far, we'll see what happens for the season but it's not looking good.

Like Reed already said, if the Super Bowl were today he'd be playing. If Reed plays second half/playoffs for us that is a BIG win for me, especially as Swearinger gets better as the season goes on and it all comes together in time for stretch run.

Could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Reed missed the pre season last year too.

ChampionTexan
08-23-2013, 07:52 AM
Interesting in that incentives are categorized as either "Likely to be Earned" (LTBE) or "Not Likely to be Earned" (NLTBE). Their names are pretty self explanatory. LTBE incentives count towards the cap while NLTBE incentives do not. But the way it goes is that if the player achieves those NLTBE incentives then they count toward the following year's cap. So how would you really categorize Reed's incentive??:thinking:

Here's the CBA language on incentives being "Likely" or "Not Likely":
Any and all incentive amounts, including but not limited to performance bonuses, shall be included in Team Salary if they are “likely to be earned” during such League Year based upon the player’s and/or Team’s performance during the prior year.

The bolded part is what drives the determination. Ed Reed played all 16 regular season games for the Ravens last season, therefore, the entire $1 Million is considered "Likely to be earned". Should he miss any games in the 2013 regular season, the Texans will be credited $62,500 against the 2014 salary cap for each game missed (Assuming of course that Schefter's info is correct).

PapaL
08-23-2013, 08:25 AM
I'd catagorize his incentives as very doubtful, just like his chances of seeing the field in the first half of the season. This FA signing is backfiring on us so far, we'll see what happens for the season but it's not looking good.

It's backfiring because he hasn't played in the Preseason?

I'm not concerned at all. My gut says he's starting week 3 but hypothetically if he's PUP'd and returns for the KC game I'm still cool with that. The games in Dec-Feb are what we brought him in for.

Rey
08-23-2013, 08:32 AM
I think Ed will be there week one. I've heard too many people that know him say they think he'll be there week one so that'll be my guess.

nero THE zero
08-23-2013, 08:47 AM
I think Ed will be there week one. I've heard too many people that know him say they think he'll be there week one so that'll be my guess.

Me too.

Billick was on MAD Radio yesterday and definitively, without hesitation said Reed will be there week 1 (unless there is something he doesn't know).

Said Reed's a veteran who takes care of his body, etc, etc; essentially, Reed is sitting out all of the unnecessary (for him) training camp/preseason stuff to get healthy to play the season.

Blake
08-23-2013, 09:37 AM
Who gives a ****. We didnt sign Ed Reed to help us beat Rivers and Locker. We got Ed Reed to help us beat Brady and Manning. We need him to play the last 8 games, not the first 8. And even if he is done for his career worst case scenario is that he gets his 6 million this year and is on his merry way.

thunderkyss
08-23-2013, 09:54 AM
Said Reed's a veteran who takes care of his body, etc, etc; essentially, Reed is sitting out all of the unnecessary (for him) training camp/preseason stuff to get healthy to play the season.

I believe this is what accomplished vets do, so I'm not too worried about it.


At the same time, this is the same thing I said about Ahman Green. His body's a temple, yadda, yadda, yadda. What I did not expect was for his game performance to have dropped so much. I'm not expecting Ed Reed to be All-Pro form, but if he turns out to be a liability..... damn.

eriadoc
08-23-2013, 10:47 AM
If Ed Reed were with the team, joking around on the sidelines, and participating in all ways that don't involve hitting, I might be inclined to agree with some of you. As it is, he's off visiting docs and showing no real signs of improvement. Hell, we got a statement the other day that he might be "just ahead of schedule", but there was no schedule established.

You people believe that this is Ed being Ed all you want. Father Time waits for no man. Reed's old, he's seriously injured, and old bodies don't heal like young bodies. It was a bad signing. Would rather have paid Glover Quin the same damn money and be sitting with Manning and Quin as starters at safety right now than be thinking about Keo or Pleasant as starters.

texanhead08
08-23-2013, 11:14 AM
At this point I will be surprised if he ever plays a game for us.

speedfreek
08-23-2013, 11:25 AM
What a mess this is.

For some reason, I just can't shake the feeling that this
guy tried to pull a fast one and knowingly hid a serious
injury..

TJ

Rey
08-23-2013, 11:30 AM
There's no way I'd have paid glover instead of picking up reed.

I'd rather have Swearinger learning whatever he can from Ed and Ed will play.

cstyle42
08-23-2013, 11:35 AM
What a mess this is.

For some reason, I just can't shake the feeling that this
guy tried to pull a fast one and knowingly hid a serious
injury..

TJ

If he did pull a fast one it's the Texans that should have known...

Blake
08-23-2013, 11:37 AM
There's no way I'd have paid glover instead of picking up reed.

I'd rather have Swearinger learning whatever he can from Ed and Ed will play.

Agreed. I liked Glover. Seemed like a solid player back there, but not a game changer. I firmly believe that Swearinger can come up and play the run as good or better than Glover right now. Not to mention that Glover would be on the books for another 4 years while we are trying to find money for Cushing and Watt while Reed can be wiped from the books.

eriadoc
08-23-2013, 11:55 AM
There's no way I'd have paid glover instead of picking up reed.

I'd rather have Swearinger learning whatever he can from Ed and Ed will play.

If you want to hire Ed Reed as a coach, do it. Hiring him as a player was a bad move.

Agreed. I liked Glover. Seemed like a solid player back there, but not a game changer. I firmly believe that Swearinger can come up and play the run as good or better than Glover right now. Not to mention that Glover would be on the books for another 4 years while we are trying to find money for Cushing and Watt while Reed can be wiped from the books.

You keep the best players. At this stage of their respective careers, Quin is better than Reed. He was marginally better than him last year and he's way better than an injured Ed Reed that never suits up. Swapping Quin for Reed did not make the football team better. I'm a fan of Swearinger, wanted him on draft day, but Manning, Quin, and Swearinger looks a helluva lot better to me than Manning, Keo, and Swearinger, with Reed sitting on IR.

I dunno, I guess I'm crazy like that.

disaacks3
08-23-2013, 12:01 PM
If Ed Reed were with the team, joking around on the sidelines, and participating in all ways that don't involve hitting, I might be inclined to agree with some of you. As it is, he's off visiting docs and showing no real signs of improvement. Hmm. I certainly saw him at training camp and he came out of the tunnel w/ Andre against the Fins. "Off visiting docs" isn't always a bad thing. I don't expect him week one and won't be worried until after week 4.

Blake
08-23-2013, 12:02 PM
If you want to hire Ed Reed as a coach, do it. Hiring him as a player was a bad move.



You keep the best players. At this stage of their respective careers, Quin is better than Reed. He was marginally better than him last year and he's way better than an injured Ed Reed that never suits up. Swapping Quin for Reed did not make the football team better. I'm a fan of Swearinger, wanted him on draft day, but Manning, Quin, and Swearinger looks a helluva lot better to me than Manning, Keo, and Swearinger, with Reed sitting on IR.

I dunno, I guess I'm crazy like that.

Yeah you and your crazy ideas about keeping the best players! You loco!:kitten:

What are your thoghts on keeping money available for next year and Cushing/Watt signings? Reed can be off the books after this year. Quin would be on for another 4 years at a vets 2nd contract price.

Rey
08-23-2013, 12:13 PM
Hiring him as a player was a bad move.


It was a great move. One of the best moves we made this off-season.

thunderkyss
08-23-2013, 12:17 PM
If Ed Reed were with the team, joking around on the sidelines, and participating in all ways that don't involve hitting, I might be inclined to agree with some of you. As it is, he's off visiting docs and showing no real signs of improvement. Hell, we got a statement the other day that he might be "just ahead of schedule", but there was no schedule established.


What upsets me more than anything, is that wherever he is, I bet he's wearing purple.


You people believe that this is Ed being Ed all you want. Father Time waits for no man. Reed's old, he's seriously injured, and old bodies don't heal like young bodies. It was a bad signing. Would rather have paid Glover Quin the same damn money and be sitting with Manning and Quin as starters at safety right now than be thinking about Keo or Pleasant as starters.

6 in one hand.....

If we didn't make this move, we wouldn't have picked up Dj Swearinger & I like Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo, better than I like Manning, Quin, Keo, Pleasant on game day.

thunderkyss
08-23-2013, 12:23 PM
You keep the best players. At this stage of their respective careers, Quin is better than Reed. He was marginally better than him last year and he's way better than an injured Ed Reed that never suits up. Swapping Quin for Reed did not make the football team better. I'm a fan of Swearinger, wanted him on draft day, but Manning, Quin, and Swearinger looks a helluva lot better to me than Manning, Keo, and Swearinger, with Reed sitting on IR.

I dunno, I guess I'm crazy like that.

Yeah, if you truly believe that, you're crazy.


If it turns out that Reed doesn't play for us, then yeah, the FO should have listened to you. But where we are right now, the back half is better off the way it is now.

& I love Quin. He'll most likely be voted to the pro bowl this year, imo. But he's a different player. Quin, Manning, & Swearinger are all the same player, we needed to get away from that & add a player like Reed.

thunderkyss
08-23-2013, 12:25 PM
Yeah you and your crazy ideas about keeping the best players! You loco!:kitten:

What are your thoghts on keeping money available for next year and Cushing/Watt signings? Reed can be off the books after this year. Quin would be on for another 4 years at a vets 2nd contract price.

This is silly. Has nothing to do with nothing. If they wanted to keep Quin, they could have & sign Cushing & sign Watt. If they want to, they'll find a way, they always do.

Blake
08-23-2013, 12:28 PM
This is silly. Has nothing to do with nothing. If they wanted to keep Quin, they could have & sign Cushing & sign Watt. If they want to, they'll find a way, they always do.

My bad. I forgot the Texans have unlimited cap money.

thunderkyss
08-23-2013, 12:33 PM
My bad. I forgot the Texans have unlimited cap money.

They've got someone who knows how to manage the cap.

dc_txtech
08-23-2013, 12:36 PM
They've got someone who knows how to manage the cap.

Who decided to let Quinn walk...

Blake
08-23-2013, 12:40 PM
They've got someone who knows how to manage the cap.

You just got done telling me that the Texans could sign Quin, Watt and Cushing if they wanted to. Then that they have someone who knows how to manage the cap when sometimes managing the cap means not signing a Glover Quin for 5 years 23 million.

I am not saying they HAD to pass on Quin to get Cushing and Watt, but that it might be a good idea when you are going after guys that are going to command alot of money. But I guess that is "silly" to you.

eriadoc
08-23-2013, 12:41 PM
Yeah, if you truly believe that, you're crazy.

Yes, I truly believe that Quin is a better player today than Ed Reed is. And being called crazy by you, I'm OK with. ;)

ChampionTexan
08-23-2013, 12:50 PM
This is silly. Has nothing to do with nothing. If they wanted to keep Quin, they could have & sign Cushing & sign Watt. If they want to, they'll find a way, they always do.

There is truth to the concept that money never has to stop an NFL team from signing somebody they want to. It will however stop an NFL team from signing everybody they want to. More importantly, if they're not careful about who the "Somebodies" are, they're going to quickly end up with a very few somebodies, and a very many nobodies.

eriadoc
08-23-2013, 12:51 PM
What are your thoghts on keeping money available for next year and Cushing/Watt signings? Reed can be off the books after this year. Quin would be on for another 4 years at a vets 2nd contract price.

I've said many times I don't play the cap management game. There are guys here who have that stuff down pretty well, but I am not one of them. It's an area where I remain blissfully ignorant. That said, I don't see it as a problem. $5M a year is not where they'll run into cap problems, especially for a younger player. And Ed Reed can be off the books next year, but using that thought process, he could have been off the books this year by never signing him. Also worth noting that Manning won't be here forever, either.

If Ed Reed plays the season for the Texans, then they basically ended up paying the same amount of money for roughly equivalent play (we hope). And then Reed can be sent packing. OK, that's fine, especially with DJS waiting in the wings. But the much bigger risk is that Reed doesn't play a full season, doesn't play as well as he did when he was younger, continues his poor form from last season, and or doesn't ever play a single down for the Texans. And what's the reward for taking that risk? Does anyone actually think we're going to see a resurgent HOF-caliber Ed Reed wearing a Texans uni? At best, he's as good as the guy he replaced. So the risk vs. reward is not worthwhile.

And before anyone gets it in their head that I'm some sort of Quin apologist or fan, that's not the case. I think he's a solid player, and I don't see a ton more upside than what he's shown. He'll never be anything close to what Ed Reed WAS. All I'm interested in is whether that position has been upgraded.

I predict that it hasn't been, on the basis of the Quin-Reed exchange. I just hope Swearinger progresses quickly enough to change the equation.

Texian
08-23-2013, 12:55 PM
....and in other news Michael Huff played well last night.

Rey
08-23-2013, 12:55 PM
eriadoc, you sound ignorant.

Reed and Quinn are completely different types of players. We struggles last year against the pass when we played top tier QB's. Ed Reed was brought in because those are the kinds of teams we'll likely have to beat to get to the Superbowl.

If the teams we needed to beat were built like the Vikings with a beat RB that liked to give it to him a lot, then Quinn would probably be a better fit.

They got Reed to help us try to be better against the pass. Not sure how you don't get that.

eriadoc
08-23-2013, 12:56 PM
....and in other news Michael Huff played well last night.

So did Quin, actually. Forced a fumble on a nice hit. The Lions just beat the crap out of Brady LOL. It was nice to see. :)

thunderkyss
08-23-2013, 01:01 PM
You just got done telling me that the Texans could sign Quin, Watt and Cushing if they wanted to. Then that they have someone who knows how to manage the cap when sometimes managing the cap means not signing a Glover Quin for 5 years 23 million.

I am not saying they HAD to pass on Quin to get Cushing and Watt, but that it might be a good idea when you are going after guys that are going to command alot of money. But I guess that is "silly" to you.

They had an opportunity to sign Ed Reed.

They wanted to sign Ed Reed.

They had to find a way to do that, that made sense.

I'd have dumped Danieal Manning, but that would have hurt us the most.

They chose not to bring back Glover Quin. To offset his youth vs Reed's, they also drafted Swearinger.

There isn't a lot of difference between Reed's contract & Glovers. Reed isn't going anywhere for the next three years. We will resign Cushing & Watt, regardless.

We may have to let OD go, less he restructures. We may let Antonio Smith go ($9M). They might restructure Schaub/Andre.

If they think it's important, they'll manage the cap to keep the players they feel are important to keep.

76Texan
08-23-2013, 01:02 PM
Yes, you keep the core group of players by the rule of 20/80 as somebody had posted a great article about cap management some time ago.

Those ten players that occupy the most cap spaces currently are:
AJ, JJo, Ninja, Schaub, Foster, Myers, OD, Manning, Brown, and Cushing.

Next you need to keep an eyes on upcoming contracts for Cush, KJax, Graham, and Mitchell in 2014; possibly Ninja's last contract as well.
And then on to 2015 for Watt, etc.

eriadoc
08-23-2013, 01:03 PM
eriadoc, you sound ignorant.

Pot, kettle, whatever.

Reed and Quinn are completely different types of players. We struggles last year against the pass when we played top tier QB's. Ed Reed was brought in because those are the kinds of teams we'll likely have to beat to get to the Superbowl.

If the teams we needed to beat were built like the Vikings with a beat RB that liked to give it to him a lot, then Quinn would probably be a better fit.

They got Reed to help us try to be better against the pass. Not sure how you don't get that.

I do get that. But what you seem to be ignorant of is:

1.) It doesn't matter what kind of player Ed Reed USED TO BE. He's not the center fielder he used to be.

2.) Ed Reed's not going to be the center fielder he used to be with a hip that Bo Jackson doesn't want.

3.) It doesn't matter what kind of player Ed Reed was or is when he's on the sidelines wearing a ball cap.

4.) The rules have evolved over the years to the point that teams like the Pats, Saints, Packers, et al, are going to pass on you and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. You're not allowed to separate the ball from the receiver anymore, because he's "defenseless" (guess all those pads don't count). You can't do much of anything to receivers anymore, and you have to let them catch the ball and take a couple steps before you're allowed to hit them. And even then, you have to hit them in a narrowly defined hit zone. So passing offenses are going to continue passing for more and more yards. The defenses are just going to have to bend without breaking until they get to the red zone, where the passing game gets a little tougher and center fielders don't matter quite so much.

If Ed Reed comes in and plays better than he did last year, then it's a great signing. I've basically said that several times. I just don't see it happening, and I don't see the reward being worth the risk, in this particular case.

Rey
08-23-2013, 01:15 PM
Pot, kettle, whatever.

I do get that. But what you seem to be ignorant of is:

1.) It doesn't matter what kind of player Ed Reed USED TO BE. He's not the center fielder he used to be.



There is no pot kettle. That's a figment of your imagination.

No one has said anything about reed being the centerfield we he used to be. That's you trying to create a false argument to argue against.

What has been said is that Reed was brought in to upgrade our pass defense which is what we needed.

Quinn is a better player that Danieal Manning. They would be playing similar type roles.

But where your ignorance is showing is that we needed a player with reeds skill set regardless of whether Quinn was here or not. Just do happens Quinn's deal was up and we had a chance to grab Reed.

But you sound silly making up arguments. No one thinks reed is going to be vintage Reed. Yeah right.


As far as your number 4, that is the weakest argument yet. Can't stop it so don't try...silly.

infantrycak
08-23-2013, 01:15 PM
1.) It doesn't matter what kind of player Ed Reed USED TO BE. He's not the center fielder he used to be.


2012 INT's - Ed Reed 4
2009-2012 INT's - Quinn 5

76Texan
08-23-2013, 01:19 PM
The way the Texans utilized Quin; Manning and Swearinger are supposed to take turn at that spot while Reed is supposed to take over Manning/Demps deep spot(s).

If they had kept Quin, I imagine they would have been looking for a different type of safety; none was outstanding in the draft.

thunderkyss
08-23-2013, 01:33 PM
If Ed Reed comes in and plays better than he did last year, then it's a great signing. I've basically said that several times. I just don't see it happening, and I don't see the reward being worth the risk, in this particular case.

If we compare Glover's stats to Reed's stats next year, I predict Glover is going to have the better numbers. But I think Reed's impact is going to be Tom Brady waiting a fraction of a second longer before letting the ball fly. Hopefully that will allow Whitney, Watt, etc... to finish.

In the end, if we get to the AFC Championship game, I'm going to say it was worth it, regardless what kind of year Glover has (I'm predicting pro bowl).

That's if Ed Reed gives us any significant minutes on the field & I believe he will.

Regardless how many games Ed Reed plays, or how many tackles he misses or how many INTs he has...... if we're not in the AFC Championship game when it's all said & done, I'll feel we wasted our time & money... that it was a bad move.

thunderkyss
08-23-2013, 01:37 PM
2012 INT's - Ed Reed 4
2009-2012 INT's - Quinn 5

To go along with that...

2012 Sacks - HOU 44
2012 Sacks - BAL 37

Rey
08-23-2013, 01:42 PM
If we compare Glover's stats to Reed's stats next year, I predict Glover is going to have the better numbers. But I think Reed's impact is going to be Tom Brady waiting a fraction of a second longer before letting the ball fly. Hopefully that will allow Whitney, Watt, etc... to finish.

In the end, if we get to the AFC Championship game, I'm going to say it was worth it, regardless what kind of year Glover has (I'm predicting pro bowl).

That's if Ed Reed gives us any significant minutes on the field & I believe he will.

Regardless how many games Ed Reed plays, or how many tackles he misses or how many INTs he has...... if we're not in the AFC Championship game when it's all said & done, I'll feel we wasted our time & money... that it was a bad move.


I 98.89% agree with that.

Playoffs
08-23-2013, 02:00 PM
Reed had 4 minus pass coverage games last season: Raiders, @Redskins, Broncos, and conferance championship @Patriots. (Super Bowl was on the cusp of a minus game.)

He had 6 plus pass coverage games: Bengals, Patriots, Browns, @Browns, @Chargers, Steelers.

Overall he rated 17th* out of 88 Safties in coverage -- >25% team snaps -- by ProFootballFocus.

* Manning rated 41st out of 88, Demps 54th, Quin 66th.

Tailgate
08-23-2013, 02:05 PM
fwiw....in 2012 PFF had Reed rated at +4.5 (#18 best) in pass coverage to Quins -1.6 (#66 best) in coverage. Quin much better against the run and as was noted, different types of players.

Manning, Swearinger, and Reed all have strengths and weaknesses... but the leadership and experience future HOF Reed brings to this D is invaluable.

Porky
08-23-2013, 02:46 PM
I think some here are under-valuing the intangibles Reed brings. Look at the way the D folded down the stretch. Even at his reduced state, he can still play center fielder reasonably well.

More importantly, he's a guy with a rep. And folks like Mr. Manning and Mr. Brady know that rep and I know they look at film - I get that. Still, they have a decade long history with this guy and having him back there is a psychological plus imo.

Secondly, it's a psychological boost for the other 10 guys out there. Again, somewhat based off of rep more than current reality, but there is something reassuring about having a coach on the field out there, and his on field leadership, and making sure guys are aware of formations etc,.and lined up correctly is a huge plus imo.

Let's also not under estimate also his locker room presence. Having a guy with that kind of reputation, ability, and leadership can only help bring young guys along more quickly and better.

Is he worth it? In my humble opinion, yes. Worth every penny.

My guess is he's starting week 3. Not sure if he'll make an appearance in the first 2 games.

76Texan
08-23-2013, 02:54 PM
fwiw....in 2012 PFF had Reed rated at +4.5 (#18 best) in pass coverage to Quins -1.6 (#66 best) in coverage. Quin much better against the run and as was noted, different types of players.

Manning, Swearinger, and Reed all have strengths and weaknesses... but the leadership and experience future HOF Reed brings to this D is invaluable.

I just finished watching the first half of the Lions/Browns game.
Quin looks pretty much the same guy we saw last year; good near the LOS and in run support, with wart in coverage.
Got beat twice, one resulting in a TD.

DX-TEX
08-23-2013, 03:10 PM
I think some here are under-valuing the intangibles Reed brings. Look at the way the D folded down the stretch. Even at his reduced state, he can still play center fielder reasonably well.

More importantly, he's a guy with a rep. And folks like Mr. Manning and Mr. Brady know that rep and I know they look at film - I get that. Still, they have a decade long history with this guy and having him back there is a psychological plus imo.

Secondly, it's a psychological boost for the other 10 guys out there. Again, somewhat based off of rep more than current reality, but there is something reassuring about having a coach on the field out there, and his on field leadership, and making sure guys are aware of formations etc,.and lined up correctly is a huge plus imo.

Let's also not under estimate also his locker room presence. Having a guy with that kind of reputation, ability, and leadership can only help bring young guys along more quickly and better.

Is he worth it? In my humble opinion, yes. Worth every penny.

My guess is he's starting week 3. Not sure if he'll make an appearance in the first 2 games.

This. This. THIS!

the main reason they brought him here. Everyone including the coaching staff and front office knew the team just **** the proverbial bed at the end of the season. Reading too many of their own stories and drinking their own Kool-Aid. Reed WILL NOT let that happen.

houstonspartan
08-24-2013, 10:40 PM
This. This. THIS!

the main reason they brought him here. Everyone including the coaching staff and front office knew the team just **** the proverbial bed at the end of the season. Reading too many of their own stories and drinking their own Kool-Aid. Reed WILL NOT let that happen.

True. No way would Reed let the team buy letterman jackets. No freaking way.

thunderkyss
08-24-2013, 10:50 PM
True. No way would Reed let the team buy letterman jackets. No freaking way.

Well..

At least he wouldn't let them talk about it.

bckey
08-25-2013, 07:33 AM
Reed WILL NOT let that happen.

You mean if he makes it out on the playing field because yelling from the sidelines won't cut it.

DX-TEX
08-25-2013, 11:31 AM
You mean if he makes it out on the playing field because yelling from the sidelines won't cut it.

This is Ed being Ed. He will be there by Game 3 at the latest. No way he misses the Ravens game.

potisyourfriend
08-26-2013, 09:11 PM
Ed Reed is another Tony Boselli. Dumb signing in the hopes they can still play. Atleast Ed will be getting 60k a game whether he plays or not. Must be nice to have a dumb enough team to do that. So we filled a roster spot for a cheerleader? Awesome. Where's David Car so we can have a cheerleader on the Offensive side too?

BullBlitz
08-26-2013, 09:13 PM
Ed Reed is another Tony Boselli. Dumb signing in the hopes they can still play. Atleast Ed will be getting 60k a game whether he plays or not. Must be nice to have a dumb enough team to do that.

He will play soon, and play well.

potisyourfriend
08-26-2013, 09:15 PM
You want to bet on it? I have a paypal account and would love to make a 100 bet with someone. I bet he doesn't play in 10 games and is a non factor.

Wolf
08-26-2013, 09:17 PM
Well if worst comes to worse he can coach special teams like he was coaching on a sunday

HANDS UP Harris!

:kitten:

amazing80
08-26-2013, 09:19 PM
Well if worst comes to worse he can coach special teams like he was coaching on a sunday

:kitten:

can't be worse than what we have :smiliepalm:

potisyourfriend
08-26-2013, 09:19 PM
I would be all for him taking Joe Marciano's job.

DX-TEX
08-26-2013, 09:25 PM
http://www.stateofthetexans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/reed2-460x360.jpg

Ed reed in competition for Texans backup QB position.

potisyourfriend
08-26-2013, 09:26 PM
Does that watermark say "State of the Texans"? EEK

Kaiser Toro
08-26-2013, 09:32 PM
I have a paypal account

That is the quote of the year. Thank you.

potisyourfriend
08-26-2013, 09:35 PM
I'll be here all week with many more hopefully.

Hervoyel
08-27-2013, 12:34 PM
Ed Reed is another Tony Boselli. Dumb signing in the hopes they can still play. Atleast Ed will be getting 60k a game whether he plays or not. Must be nice to have a dumb enough team to do that. So we filled a roster spot for a cheerleader? Awesome. Where's David Car so we can have a cheerleader on the Offensive side too?

That just shows that you are completely ignorant of the circumstances surrounding the Tony Boselli expansion draft pick. Reed might indeed prove to be a mistake but if he does it won't be anything like what happened with Boselli.

More along the lines of the Ahman Green signing maybe.

speedfreek
08-27-2013, 01:14 PM
Glad we have him under contract. I think the Jets would
come after him otherwise..

TJ

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/reed2-460x360.jpg

Ed reed in competition for Texans backup QB position.

speedfreek
08-27-2013, 01:17 PM
I'm actually starting to get pretty pissed about this entire Ed
Reed fiasco.

I seriously doubt this guy contributes much this year. Even
if he gets totally healthy, he's so far behind the 8-ball in
team chemistry with the rest of the secondary that our
playoff position could already be determined by the time
he becomes a factor.

Guy should pay back some of his contract money..

TJ

thunderkyss
08-27-2013, 02:28 PM
I'm actually starting to get pretty pissed about this entire Ed
Reed fiasco.

I seriously doubt this guy contributes much this year. Even
if he gets totally healthy, he's so far behind the 8-ball in
team chemistry with the rest of the secondary that our
playoff position could already be determined by the time
he becomes a factor.

Guy should pay back some of his contract money..

TJ

I could be wrong, but I think the main reason people are upset about it is because they think Ed Reed was trying to (& subsequently did) pull one over on the Texans. That he was trying to hide this injury & then laid it on the Texans after he signed the contract.

That's not "exactly" how it went. This is something Reed played with through the Super Bowl. It was something that he thought would go away, or he would play through.

He mentioned it while working out here in Houston & our doctors asked to take a closer look. They didn't like what they saw & suggested he get it surgically repaired.

In my mind, I'm not blaming Reed. I'm thinking our doctors did the right thing, to make sure he starts the season at 100% instead of hoping an existing situation ruins his chance of being healthy enough to play in January & February.

Sure, it would be nice if Ed Reed is ready to play week 1. But I don't really care. As long as he is 100% at least by week 6 through Super Bowl week.

DX-TEX
08-27-2013, 06:11 PM
Ask ANY Ravens fan and they will tell you its Ed being Ed. he does this every year.

Playoffs
08-27-2013, 06:23 PM
Ask ANY Ravens fan and they will tell you its Ed being Ed. he does this every year.

I don't think he has the arm for it, personally.

Nawzer
08-27-2013, 06:43 PM
I'd rather have a healthy Ed Reed over one who's not fully ready to play in week 1. One of the keys for the Texans (and it was something I mentioned for last season too) is going to be hitting on full cylinders come December. I won't be overly worried if we get off to a slow start this year. The key is going to be get everyone healthy and on the same page so they can make a deep and meaningful run in the post season.

Texn4life
08-27-2013, 07:02 PM
Brian Billick probably knows Ed Reed just about as good as anyone, and he sounded extremely confident during the telecast that he would be ready for Week 1. They were around the team for a few days so i'm assuming he talked to Ed, coaches, and trainers who most likely gave him this confidence in saying that.

CloakNNNdagger
08-27-2013, 07:10 PM
From SportingNews:

The Houston Texans expect by the end of this week to have a better idea whether injured safety Ed Reed will play in their season opener.

Coach Gary Kubiak said Monday that Reed is in Vail, Colo., visiting the surgeon who performed his April hip surgery to repair a partially-torn labrum. He will receive injections in his hip during the visit and then travel Atlanta later this week to continue his rehabilitation.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2013-08-27/texans-ed-reed-injury-status-week-1-season-opener-hip-surgery

:spin:

DX-TEX
08-27-2013, 07:14 PM
From SportingNews:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2013-08-27/texans-ed-reed-injury-status-week-1-season-opener-hip-surgery

:spin:

Ed was at the Texans luncheon today. Kubiak said this last week I believe.

CloakNNNdagger
08-27-2013, 07:16 PM
Ed was at the Texans luncheon today. Kubiak said this last week I believe.

He said that he would be visiting his surgeon for examination.

DX-TEX
08-27-2013, 07:20 PM
He said that he would be visiting his surgeon for examination.

Read it wrong. Not used to a one sentence post from you.

Make it longer next time so I can get properly confused!!

Tailgate
08-27-2013, 08:28 PM
Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew 2h
Safety Ed Reed was at the #Texans Team Luncheon today. Was in Vail, CO yesterday. Heading to Atlanta sometime this week too.


Veteran safety Ed Reed will likely make the final decision as to whether he plays during a regular season-opener Sept. 9 at San Diego.

Reed attended the Texans’ annual team luncheon Tuesday after visiting Monday with his surgeon in Vail, Colo. It will take about 3-5 days for the injections Reed received to set in, Texans coach Gary Kubiak said Tuesday, and the team is ready to play him against the Chargers if Reed gives the OK.

“It’s really Ed’s call because he’s been through this process before,” Kubiak said at a Galleria-area hotel. “Ed’s played a lot of football. Ed doesn’t need to go out there and play cover-3 because he’s been doing it for many years — that’s not a problem. It gets down to him still having confidence in what he’s doing and feeling confident and, obviously, we’re in this for the long haul, so we want to do the smart thing


http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/08/texans-ed-reed-will-make-decision-to-play-vs-chargers-kubiak-says/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Pantherstang84
08-27-2013, 08:41 PM
Just cut him now and be done with it. I can't believe the Texans got Bosellied again. Geez.

PapaL
08-27-2013, 08:50 PM
Just cut him now and be done with it. I can't believe the Texans got Bosellied again. Geez.

Dude, seriously calm down. You'll have a stroke being such a negative Nancy.

Texn4life
08-27-2013, 09:09 PM
Dude, seriously calm down. You'll have a stroke being such a negative Nancy.

Rep! Battered Texans syndrome maybe? I see nothing that indicates he won't be playing against the Chargers. If anything all indications point to him giving it a shot at playing. He wants to make his mark here in H-town!

Texan_Bill
08-27-2013, 09:12 PM
Dude, seriously calm down. You'll have a stroke being such a negative Nancy.

Or more appropriately a:

http://thediscipleproject.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Debbie-Downer.png

DX-TEX
08-28-2013, 02:37 AM
Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew 2h
Safety Ed Reed was at the #Texans Team Luncheon today. Was in Vail, CO yesterday. Heading to Atlanta sometime this week too.




http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/08/texans-ed-reed-will-make-decision-to-play-vs-chargers-kubiak-says/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Its "Eds call" just like it was in Baltimore. For the hundredth time: its Ed being Ed. This is his thing.

I used to laugh at Ravens fans on a different forum because they posted the same things year after year before the season started.

ObsiWan
08-28-2013, 03:00 AM
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRR_hz3EUcqKucTHK5Om1ubD2d0kyvKu BVSfkuENJH9ejNiiOc1Uw

I have given a name to my pain Bob
....and it is Ed Reed....

TexansSeminole
08-28-2013, 03:43 AM
I'm actually starting to get pretty pissed about this entire Ed
Reed fiasco.

I seriously doubt this guy contributes much this year. Even
if he gets totally healthy, he's so far behind the 8-ball in
team chemistry with the rest of the secondary that our
playoff position could already be determined by the time
he becomes a factor.

Guy should pay back some of his contract money..

TJ


Playoff position is overrated. It's about how you play down the stretch. If you want the Lombardi, you are going to have to beat the good teams, regardless of playoff positioning.

If Reed misses the first half the season, but plays the way he is capable of playing in the second half of the season and through the playoffs, then signing is worth it.

bckey
08-28-2013, 06:19 AM
Playoff position is overrated.

Yeah the Texans agree with you.

Doppelganger
08-28-2013, 08:20 AM
I'd catagorize his incentives as very doubtful, just like his chances of seeing the field in the first half of the season. This FA signing is backfiring on us so far, we'll see what happens for the season but it's not looking good.

I think he misses the first two games and plays against Baltimore.

HJam72
08-28-2013, 08:36 AM
As long as this guy gets chemistry with the team by the playoffs & is playing with us in the playoffs, & we make the playoffs, I don't really care.

The sooner he gets on the field, the more I will worry that he will be injured come playoff time. I see that as a much bigger problem if it happens.

So, he avoids training camp & preseason. Foster avoids hits & we all know it's the smart thing to do.

I think Hopkins could learn something from Reed about not getting yourself hurt in preseason right about now (sit out the 4th preseason game--it ain't worth the risk)...

thunderkyss
08-28-2013, 08:41 AM
Yeah the Texans agree with you.

Denver does.

ObsiWan
08-28-2013, 08:46 AM
The Ravens agree too.

Hervoyel
08-28-2013, 12:25 PM
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....and it is Ed Reed....

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Texian
08-28-2013, 01:58 PM
They've got someone who knows how to manage the cap.

No question about that. Now if you ask, do they do it well, now that's a horse of different color. In another week when the Texans are trying to get their final 53 man roster complete along with signing 8 players to their practice squad and have to restructure $5 million plus in salaries, some fans will say, see they doing a wonderful job managing the salary cap.:vincepalm:

bckey
08-28-2013, 05:04 PM
Denver does.

I knew someone would post about Denver. Home field is an advantage. Its not a guaranteed victory. At least Denver was in the game. The Patriots took care of the Texans early. And the Texans blew a week off with some rest also. Hopefully the Texans come out and play the 2013 season like they did in 2011 because last year was embarrassing every time the played an elite team with an elite qb. And then they rolled over at the end of the season against lesser opponents with so much on the line.

thunderkyss
08-28-2013, 06:01 PM
I knew someone would post about Denver. Home field is an advantage. Its not a guaranteed victory. At least Denver was in the game. The Patriots took care of the Texans early. And the Texans blew a week off with some rest also. Hopefully the Texans come out and play the 2013 season like they did in 2011 because last year was embarrassing every time the played an elite team with an elite qb. And then they rolled over at the end of the season against lesser opponents with so much on the line.

Yeah.... getting healthy at the end of the season wasn't going to help this team win at home. Unless the Bengals pulled one out of their butts & came to Reliant, we'd have got beat at home.

Playing well at the end of the season...... that's another myth. The Bengals won 5 of their last 6 but were 1 & done thanks to a poorly playing Texans team. The Ravens lost 3 of their last 4.

The important thing, is to know that if you play the best game you've ever played in your life, you can get to the next level & trust that the guy next to you will play his absolute best.

That's why you see Shane Vareen & Steven "Who" Riddley play out of their minds in the play offs, Danny Moorhead.... JAG on any other team, just like the Patriots entire secondary... but they beat us.

Jacoby Jones is one play away from being the Super Bowl MVP (in my mind & for this argument), because he "stepped it up" That aging defense had one more game in them & they let it all hang out on the goal line.

Maybe it was because they were close for the last 4 years & they knew that however "good" they were those previous years, it wasn't good enough.

thunderkyss
08-28-2013, 06:04 PM
No question about that. Now if you ask, do they do it well, now that's a horse of different color. In another week when the Texans are trying to get their final 53 man roster complete along with signing 8 players to their practice squad and have to restructure $5 million plus in salaries, some fans will say, see they doing a wonderful job managing the salary cap.:vincepalm:

As long as they aren't tying themselves to Eric Winston & Kevin Walter or players of their ilk..... it's all good.

bckey
08-28-2013, 06:36 PM
Playing well at the end of the season...... that's another myth.

Tell that to the Giants when they went on a tear the 2nd half of the season and decided not to rest players when they had the opportunity. Then they tore through the playoffs and beat the Patriots in the superbowl. That was some kind of momentum.




Jacoby Jones is one play away from being the Super Bowl MVP (in my mind & for this argument), because he "stepped it up" That aging defense had one more game in them & they let it all hang out on the goal line.


Jacoby could always flash on occasion. He failed in Houston because he could never step up when the team needed him. As far as Jacoby stepping it up for the Ravens I think it was more of one of his occasional flash games that just happened to be the superbowl rather than Jacoby turning something on because it was the superbowl. When it was time to step it up for the Texans in the playoffs he failed miserably in the Baltimore game. I suspect he will be back to his usual self.

b0ng
08-28-2013, 07:03 PM
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ChampionTexan
08-28-2013, 07:05 PM
Tell that to the Giants when they went on a tear the 2nd half of the season and decided not to rest players when they had the opportunity. Then they tore through the playoffs and beat the Patriots in the superbowl. That was some kind of momentum.

Actually, if you're referring to the 2011 Giants, their regular season record for games 9-16 was 3-5. The three wins did happen in the final four games, but it was hardly going on a tear for half a season. The reason they decided not to rest any players is because if they had lost any one of those final four games, they would have been out of the playoffs (Their final RS record was 9-7). But if you want to make it sound like it's because they wanted to keep the non-existent momentum, go right ahead.

Texian
08-28-2013, 07:31 PM
As long as they aren't tying themselves to Eric Winston & Kevin Walter or players of their ilk..... it's all good.

The Texans in 2013 are only utilizing about 85-88% of the actual fully allotted salary cap because they've restructured so many contracts in recent years past. (mortgaged the future) The other 12-15% has been borrowed from future years. This is a big reason why the Texans depth is so thin because all they can afford is minimums, vet minimums or maybe a tad more. Borrowing $12 -$15 million in advance to pay players today doesn't sound like much until you consider $12-$15 million would pay for 4 to 5 $3 mil a yr players this year. Like I said some see this buy now pay later strategy...as it's all good and some of us don't. The 53 man roster will be determined by as much as anything is what the Texans can afford vs who are really the very best 53 players available.

DocBar
08-28-2013, 09:20 PM
The Texans in 2013 are only utilizing about 85-88% of the actual fully allotted salary cap because they've restructured so many contracts in recent years past. (mortgaged the future) The other 12-15% has been borrowed from future years. This is a big reason why the Texans depth is so thin because all they can afford is minimums, vet minimums or maybe a tad more. Borrowing $12 -$15 million in advance to pay players today doesn't sound like much until you consider $12-$15 million would pay for 4 to 5 $3 mil a yr players this year. Like I said some see this buy now pay later strategy...as it's all good and some of us don't. The 53 man roster will be determined by as much as anything is what the Texans can afford vs who are really the very best 53 players available.If you want to see how this strategy works out, go watch an Astros game. You can't have a roster full of superstars, but you must pay the ones you have at various positions and fill in the rest via the draft and FA. IMHO, Smith and Kubiak seem to be on the same page, drafting well and getting fantastic UDFA's. We're thin at some positions right now because both Smith and Kubiak were learning how to get in the same book for a few years, much less the same page of the same book. I can't begin to imagine how much influence Phillips has had in this.

This is the way great organizations like the Steelers and Patriots keep reloading and staying in contention. :boogereater:

Texian
08-28-2013, 10:13 PM
If you want to see how this strategy works out, go watch an Astros game. You can't have a roster full of superstars, but you must pay the ones you have at various positions and fill in the rest via the draft and FA. IMHO, Smith and Kubiak seem to be on the same page, drafting well and getting fantastic UDFA's. We're thin at some positions right now because both Smith and Kubiak were learning how to get in the same book for a few years, much less the same page of the same book. I can't begin to imagine how much influence Phillips has had in this.

This is the way great organizations like the Steelers and Patriots keep reloading and staying in contention. :boogereater:

There is no cap in baseball. The last 3 years the Texans have started with their backs up against the salary cap wall (little or no room). It doesn't appear that there is any relief in the near future. This puts the Texans at a distinct disadvantage because they've consistently pushed money to future years, year after year. The Steelers and Patriots are NOT having to restructure contracts 3 years in a row. The Texans have converted quite a few of today's salaries to tomorrows dollars. When Mario became a FA and his $20 million salary came off the books the Texans still started the new year over the cap. Yep, these guys are doing a swell job. :clap:

76Texan
08-28-2013, 10:23 PM
There is no cap in baseball. The last 3 years the Texans have started with their backs up against the salary cap wall (little or no room). It doesn't appear that there is any relief in the near future. This puts the Texans at a distinct disadvantage because they've consistently pushed money to future years, year after year. The Steelers and Patriots are NOT having to restructure contracts 3 years in a row. The Texans have converted quite a few of today's salaries to tomorrows dollars. When Mario became a FA and his $20 million salary came off the books the Texans still started the new year over the cap. Yep, these guys are doing a swell job. :clap:

I wouldn't say I'm an expert at the cap game; you will have to educate me here as to how the Texans have been in a bind.

drs23
08-28-2013, 10:26 PM
The Texans in 2013 are only utilizing about 85-88% of the actual fully allotted salary cap because they've restructured so many contracts in recent years past. (mortgaged the future) The other 12-15% has been borrowed from future years. This is a big reason why the Texans depth is so thin because all they can afford is minimums, vet minimums or maybe a tad more. Borrowing $12 -$15 million in advance to pay players today doesn't sound like much until you consider $12-$15 million would pay for 4 to 5 $3 mil a yr players this year. Like I said some see this buy now pay later strategy...as it's all good and some of us don't. The 53 man roster will be determined by as much as anything is what the Texans can afford vs who are really the very best 53 players available.

I'm by no means a cap guy and to my naked eye it looks like you've done some homework. That said, if this is the case how are the Texans going to sign #99? The owner and the GM are on record saying locking up JJ like forever, is the priority.

Is he going to be the only player on the team?

DocBar
08-28-2013, 10:33 PM
There is no cap in baseball. The last 3 years the Texans have started with their backs up against the salary cap wall (little or no room). It doesn't appear that there is any relief in the near future. This puts the Texans at a distinct disadvantage because they've consistently pushed money to future years, year after year. The Steelers and Patriots are NOT having to restructure contracts 3 years in a row. The Texans have converted quite a few of today's salaries to tomorrows dollars. When Mario became a FA and his $20 million salary came off the books the Texans still started the new year over the cap. Yep, these guys are doing a swell job. :clap: You missed the analogy, evidently.

In regards to the Texans, they are getting themselves on track, imo. They are concentrating on signing their star talent for the future and drafting wisely enough to allow a lot of the overpaid talent form three years ago to go by the wayside. I seriously doubt that Manning and Joseph will be on the team next year or in two years at the most. There are a number of players who could be gone and we see the team getting ready for them to be gone. Wade Smith, Myers, Antonio Smith, Owen Daniels all could be gone after this season. We see the players projected to replace them learning those positions right now.

Texian
08-28-2013, 10:56 PM
I wouldn't say I'm an expert at the cap game; you will have to educate me here as to how the Texans have been in a bind.

When you convert $8 mil of today's salary to a signing bonus you pay the player the money up front, in full and then spread the $8 mil over the future years of contact (max 5 years). If you start each new year with little or no salary cap room (< than $10 mil and part because some the reason is restructured money) and let's say you have 18 free agents to replace and big star salary to renew, < $10 mil doesn't go very far when you've to replace a bunch of FA and renew a big contract. You usually end up with a bunch of scraps for depth. Puts you in a Bind, particularly with any key injuries.

I'm by no means a cap guy and to my naked eye it looks like you've done some homework. That said, if this is the case how are the Texans going to sign #99? The owner and the GM are on record saying locking up JJ like forever, is the priority.

Is he going to be the only player on the team?

Good Question. If I am JJ's agent I'm asking/wanting a $100 mil+/$20 mil a yr contract. (You also have to sign Cush next yr). So if you pay JJ & Schuab $20 mil a piece (2 players =35% of cap) that will leave you $45 mil to sign 24 D players and $45 mil to sign 24 O players. It's actually much worse than that when you take in to account AJ, Foster, Brown & Joseph's salaries. Can't win that kind of payroll. Better off trying to get 3 first rds + for JJ.

DX-TEX
08-28-2013, 11:08 PM
My guess is OD, Antonio and Myers are gone after this season. If Schaub even slightly falters this year he is done but will be gone after next season either way. And even though we wont want to say it but Dre will be asked to restructure lower or be released.

Watt isn't going anywhere.

DocBar
08-28-2013, 11:13 PM
My guess is OD, Antonio and Myers are gone after this season. If Schaub even slightly falters this year he is done but will be gone after next season either way. And even though we wont want to say it but Dre will be asked to restructure lower or be released.

Watt isn't going anywhere.:goodpost:

msbbc833
08-28-2013, 11:19 PM
My guess is OD, Antonio and Myers are gone after this season. If Schaub even slightly falters this year he is done but will be gone after next season either way. And even though we wont want to say it but Dre will be asked to restructure lower or be released.

Watt isn't going anywhere.

Yup they have done a nice job moving forward
GG - basically an OD clone
Crick - will fill in for Ninja after another year under his belt
Ben Jones - replaces Chris Meyers, and have DQ start at LG next season

infantrycak
08-28-2013, 11:20 PM
Can't win that kind of payroll. Better off trying to get 3 first rds + for JJ.

There you were cobbling together an impressive sounding analysis and then you threw a landmine in front of yourself.

By the way, Schaub's cap hit in 2014 is $14.5 mil and he won't have a $20 mil cap hit even in the last year.

msbbc833
08-29-2013, 12:11 AM
Also, anyone else think JJO may be a cap casualty at some point?

DocBar
08-29-2013, 12:15 AM
Also, anyone else think JJO may be a cap casualty at some point?If not a cap casualty, then a talent casualty. He looks as bad as he did last season.

Tailgate
08-29-2013, 12:44 AM
The Texans cut or got rid of Winston, D Ryans, Brisiel, Dreessen, etc... And what happened next? Texans won the division.

Allstar
08-29-2013, 01:09 AM
Better off trying to get 3 first rds + for JJ.

Might be the worst sentence ever written on this forum.

pappy
08-29-2013, 01:47 AM
As long as they aren't tying themselves to Eric Winston & Kevin Walter or players of their ilk..... it's all good.

For the record eric winston is better than newton hands down:smiliedance:

Texn4life
08-29-2013, 02:19 AM
Might be the worst sentence ever written on this forum.

Texian is a very radical thinker. He thought we had the ability to trade up to draft RGIII and that we should've traded Andre as well before that draft. He does know football, but he'll throw some crazy stuff out there from time to time.

b0ng
08-29-2013, 08:41 AM
The Texans in 2013 are only utilizing about 85-88% of the actual fully allotted salary cap because they've restructured so many contracts in recent years past. (mortgaged the future) The other 12-15% has been borrowed from future years. This is a big reason why the Texans depth is so thin because all they can afford is minimums, vet minimums or maybe a tad more. Borrowing $12 -$15 million in advance to pay players today doesn't sound like much until you consider $12-$15 million would pay for 4 to 5 $3 mil a yr players this year. Like I said some see this buy now pay later strategy...as it's all good and some of us don't. The 53 man roster will be determined by as much as anything is what the Texans can afford vs who are really the very best 53 players available.

Who did the Texans restructure in the recent years that you are referring to? Antonio Smith (2011) and Andre Johnson (2011, 2012)? Show me how you got to $12 - $15m in restructured contracts and that you aren't just throwing numbers around.

HOU-TEX
08-29-2013, 10:05 AM
For the record eric winston is better than newton hands down:smiliedance:

As someone who scrutinized the heck out of Winston before he was cut...I agree with the statement above. Winston's pass blocking was even better than Newton's and that's not saying a lot

76Texan
08-29-2013, 12:22 PM
There is no cap in baseball. The last 3 years the Texans have started with their backs up against the salary cap wall (little or no room). It doesn't appear that there is any relief in the near future. This puts the Texans at a distinct disadvantage because they've consistently pushed money to future years, year after year. The Steelers and Patriots are NOT having to restructure contracts 3 years in a row. The Texans have converted quite a few of today's salaries to tomorrows dollars. When Mario became a FA and his $20 million salary came off the books the Texans still started the new year over the cap. Yep, these guys are doing a swell job. :clap:

But the Patriots have been restructuring or extending contracts all the time.
I know for sure that they extended Mankins in 2011, restructured Brady and Ocho Cinco's contract in 2012, and extended Brady this off-season.

They were also in talk in Lloyd to restructure his contract, but talk broke down.

Brady's extension frees up $8M for them.
It was supposed to allow the Pats to resign Welker.
For some reason, Welker decided to sign with the Broncos for cheap at $12M over 2 years.
At the NFL meeting, Kraft insisted that the Pats had a better offer.

The Pats settled for Amendola; they also let guys like Kyle Love, Patrick Chung, Donald Thomas and Woodhead go.
If they had kept all of these guys, the cap space that their contracts require over their replacements would have wiped out the Pats even with Brady's extension.

So, if saying that managing the cap can be done easily by just letting good players walk, then the Pats have been doing a wonderful job, just like any other team in the NFL.

76Texan
08-29-2013, 12:24 PM
For the record eric winston is better than newton hands down:smiliedance:

Newton was a first time starter who was playing through an injury.

thunderkyss
08-29-2013, 01:12 PM
The Texans in 2013 are only utilizing about 85-88% of the actual fully allotted salary cap because they've restructured so many contracts in recent years past. (mortgaged the future) The other 12-15% has been borrowed from future years.

Would you happen to know the number for the other NFL teams? Preferably the Patriots & Steelers since many think that is the definition of long term cap management.

But I'd also wonder what the number is for the Ravens (who damn near dumped their whole team), the Packers, & the 49ers.

thunderkyss
08-29-2013, 01:16 PM
I agree with the statement above. Winston's pass blocking was even better than Newton's and that's not saying a lot

Not.

Right now & since Newton has come back from his bum knee his pass blocking has been on par with Eric Winston. That sack he gave up to Cameron Wake, no doubt in my mind Eric Winston would have gave up that one & more to Cameron Wake.

No doubt in my mind.

76Texan
08-29-2013, 01:51 PM
Would you happen to know the number for the other NFL teams? Preferably the Patriots & Steelers since many think that is the definition of long term cap management.

But I'd also wonder what the number is for the Ravens (who damn near dumped their whole team), the Packers, & the 49ers.

From what I think I understand, there's really not that much for any team that want to compete. The top players will demand a certain salary mostly based on market prices.

The one way that a team can do better is to constantly hit in the draft and to get lucky with the UDFAs.

Big Ben has restructured each of the last three years.
Flacco's new contract is structured so that this year, the cap hit is low, but it will accelerate.
Guys like Kaepernick and Wilson, when their time come, surely will demand a good chunk of money.

There can certainly be bad cap management, but IMO, there's not necessarily great cap management. It has to do more with coaching and scouting.
Good coaches and a good scouting department will make the guys that manage the cap look real smart.

Blake
08-29-2013, 02:01 PM
The Texans in 2013 are only utilizing about 85-88% of the actual fully allotted salary cap because they've restructured so many contracts in recent years past. (mortgaged the future) The other 12-15% has been borrowed from future years. This is a big reason why the Texans depth is so thin because all they can afford is minimums, vet minimums or maybe a tad more.

I do not agree that the Texans depth is any thinner than other teams. No team has an all pro starting 22 with 22 starter caliber backups in today's NFL.

76Texan
08-29-2013, 02:33 PM
I do not agree that the Texans depth is any thinner than other teams. No team has an all pro starting 22 with 22 starter caliber backups in today's NFL.

When you look at the Patriots depth chart, especially on defense, I don't think you even want more than two or three of them to be a backup for the Texans.

potisyourfriend
08-29-2013, 08:24 PM
Just cut him now and be done with it. I can't believe the Texans got Bosellied again. Geez.


Tony was still young and cut down early much like Ed Reed. Maybe Cushing can hook him up with some good vitamins.

ChampionTexan
08-30-2013, 04:27 PM
Absolutely not surprising, but better than putting him on reserve PUP.
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 30 Aug

Ed Reed is coming off PUP. Kubiak said he'll make a decision about whether Reed will play early next week. #Texans

DX-TEX
08-30-2013, 04:30 PM
Absolutely not surprising, but better than putting him on reserve PUP.

Been saying it since he signed: this is Ed being Ed. Its his thing and he did it almost every year in Baltimore.

Texn4life
08-30-2013, 04:35 PM
Been saying it since he signed: this is Ed being Ed. Its his thing and he did it almost every year in Baltimore.

I've been saying the same thing. He's too competitive of a guy to willingly miss meaningful games.

CloakNNNdagger
08-30-2013, 04:55 PM
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 30 Aug

Ed Reed is coming off PUP. Kubiak said he'll make a decision about whether Reed will play early next week. #Texans

Been saying it since he signed: this is Ed being Ed. Its his thing and he did it almost every year in Baltimore.

Do you really believe that means anything, and that he would have been put on the regular season PUP for ANY reason? Steroid injections so soon after a hip labrum tear surgery carries a bad connotation, either continued significant inflammation or arthritis in the hip (both associated with acute degeneration of soft and/or hard tissues). And the injections, although they mask pain..........they heal nothing. In fact they are more likely to destroy additional hip tissues (tendons, ligaments and cartilage)........with the player continuing to play without "feeling" the progressing damage until another major injury occurs. It is obvious the the Texans and Reed will hold back nothing to prove that their contract was not a mistake. Ultimately, we'll only see how it plays out after looking back over the entire course of the season.

DX-TEX
08-30-2013, 04:59 PM
Do you really believe that means anything, and that he would have been put on the regular season PUP for ANY reason? Steroid injections so soon after a hip labrum tear surgery carries a bad connotation, either continued significant inflammation or arthritis in the hip (both associated with acute degeneration of soft and/or hard tissues). And the injections, although they mask pain..........they heal nothing. In fact they are more likely to destroy additional hip tissues (tendons, ligaments and cartilage)........with the player continuing to play without "feeling" the progressing damage until another major injury occurs. It is obvious the the Texans and Reed will hold back nothing to prove that their contract was not a mistake. Ultimately, we'll only see how it plays out after looking back over the entire course of the season.

Ed always had a procedure after the season ends, like clockwork. Im not trying to discrediting anything you are saying but he has a long history of the same instances. He has an offseason regime and takes really great care of himself.

The poor guy is 137 years old and hates pre-season.

CloakNNNdagger
08-30-2013, 05:11 PM
Ed always had a procedure after the season ends, like clockwork. Im not trying to discrediting anything you are saying but he has a long history of the same instances. He has an offseason regime and takes really great care of himself.

The poor guy is 137 years old and hates pre-season.

I didn't in any way take your remarks as trying to discredit my statements. And I understand what you are saying. Known history is what people will tend to fall back on. However, just like the Black Night, at one point in time, you lose too many parts, or the parts you still have wear out and are in dire need of replacement.

CloakNNNdagger
08-30-2013, 06:39 PM
This is what Kubiak had to say just an hour ago.

“He’ll be back tomorrow,” Kubiak said Friday. “We’re hoping to do some field drills Monday and Tuesday with our extra days with him, with Kap (Head Athletic Trainer Geoff Kaplan)."

Reed visited his surgeon Dr. Marc Philippon earlier in the week and has made multiple trips to Atlanta to meet with the rehab specialist who helped him after his previous hip surgery in 2010. With the Texans' season opener in San Diego looming, Kubiak gave a timetable on Reed's status for the primetime game on September 9.

“We’ll probably make a quick decision early in the week, Monday or Tuesday, on his availability for San Diego,” Kubiak said. “We’re sitting here hoping and we’ll see how that goes.”link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Kubiak-to-make-decision-on-Ed-Reed-early-next-week/3fa6671f-ed38-4e7a-933e-622724b4aa87)

potisyourfriend
08-30-2013, 11:08 PM
So no new news.

76Texan
08-31-2013, 06:42 PM
Ed Reed activated off PUP list.

Pantherstang84
09-01-2013, 09:38 PM
Until he actually starts taking full speed reps, I'm still calling it a Boselli.

drs23
09-01-2013, 10:54 PM
Until he actually starts taking full speed reps, I'm still calling it a Boselli.

OK, you'll still be wrong of course, but OK.

PapaL
09-02-2013, 01:00 AM
Had this been the first time Ed Reed did this during preseason I could understand the negativity. This isn't this situations first rodeo.

Hervoyel
09-02-2013, 10:01 AM
Had this been the first time Ed Reed did this during preseason I could understand the negativity. This isn't this situations first rodeo.

I think you're absolutely right. This is just the way it works for Reed. Charlie don't surf and Ed don't training camp. If the man knows how to stay in shape and doesn't need to learn the offense then I actually prefer that he kick back and get as healthy as his 34 year old body can get.

cstyle42
09-02-2013, 05:36 PM
why didnt we just keep glover quin?

He was biting on Brady's first bluffs too many times and Ed Reed won't.

TexansSeminole
09-02-2013, 06:46 PM
I was big on keeping Quin in FA. I thought we'd need two safeties, assuming Reed was one of those, to replace Quin's versatility. We got our two safeties though, so I am still ok/happy with the move. Swearinger + Reed was a good replacement for Quin.

silentassassin
09-02-2013, 08:11 PM
why didnt we just keep glover quin?

Part of the reason is a longer deal for Quin means less to pay guys like Cushing and Watt. I think it was a huge factor in the decision. You can pay to keep Quin and risk having less to pay the other two.

Or you could take another risk on Ed Reed who has a shorter deal, which would allow flexibility in paying others.

Wolf
09-02-2013, 08:58 PM
Hopefully swearinger will make us forget about Quinn

Texian
09-02-2013, 09:23 PM
There you were cobbling together an impressive sounding analysis and then you threw a landmine in front of yourself.

By the way, Schaub's cap hit in 2014 is $14.5 mil and he won't have a $20 mil cap hit even in the last year.

In 2015 the year of JJs new contract Schaub is $17 mil and the yr after $19 mil

But the Patriots have been restructuring or extending contracts all the time.
I know for sure that they extended Mankins in 2011, restructured Brady and Ocho Cinco's contract in 2012, and extended Brady this off-season.

NE just GTD the remaining $ on the contract and extended it 3 yrs. No Pay raise, Brady went from $20+ mil cap hit in 13' to $13mil. NE has $12 mil dead money from players cut. Even with NE $12 mil in dead money vs Texans $2 mil NE has 18 players @ $1.5 mil+ vs Texans 15 @ $1.5 mil+. (FYI-NE has 5 players w/ $1 mil in DM)

paycheck71
09-02-2013, 09:41 PM
In 2015 the year of JJs new contract Schaub is $17 mil and the yr after $19 mil



NE just GTD the remaining $ on the contract and extended it 3 yrs. No Pay raise, Brady went from $20+ mil cap hit in 13' to $13mil. NE has $12 mil dead money from players cut. Even with NE $12 mil in dead money vs Texans $2 mil NE has 18 players @ $1.5 mil+ vs Texans 15 @ $1.5 mil+. (FYI-NE has 5 players w/ $1 mil in DM)

Schaub won't last that long on the current contract. He'll get cut or get his contract reworked (and by that I mean takes a pay cut) after next season most likely (depending on how things work out, maybe even after this one).

I really don't share your opinion that the Texans FO has mismanaged the cap. No 2 teams are exactly the same, and the contract and cap situations are fluid from year to year. The fact they NE has $12+MM in dead money is a failure in itself.

76Texan
09-02-2013, 09:42 PM
NE just GTD the remaining $ on the contract and extended it 3 yrs. No Pay raise, Brady went from $20+ mil cap hit in 13' to $13mil. NE has $12 mil dead money from players cut. Even with NE $12 mil in dead money vs Texans $2 mil NE has 18 players @ $1.5 mil+ vs Texans 15 @ $1.5 mil+. (FYI-NE has 5 players w/ $1 mil in DM)

Like I said, I'm not a cap expert.
But if I read it right, Brady's contract includes a $30M signing bonus plus $1M in base salary this year.
If Brady is out like he was before, it's tough sledding.
Or am I being ignorant?

infantrycak
09-02-2013, 10:05 PM
In 2015 the year of JJs new contract Schaub is $17 mil and the yr after $19 mil

Which contradicts nothing I said.

Thanks for being 4 days late and a dollar short.

thunderkyss
09-02-2013, 10:10 PM
Schaub won't last that long on the current contract. He'll get cut or get his contract reworked (and by that I mean takes a pay cut) after next season most likely (depending on how things work out, maybe even after this one).
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If he wins the Super Bowl I bet he gets a Romo/Flacco type contract.



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Wolf
09-02-2013, 10:15 PM
If he wins the Super Bowl I bet he gets a Romo/Flacco type contract.



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I can't see it. The big contracts will go to Cushing and Watt.

drs23
09-02-2013, 10:17 PM
If he wins the Super Bowl I bet he gets a Romo/Flacco type contract.

Is this another pulse check?

Texian
09-02-2013, 10:20 PM
Who did the Texans restructure in the recent years that you are referring to? Antonio Smith (2011) and Andre Johnson (2011, 2012)? Show me how you got to $12 - $15m in restructured contracts and that you aren't just throwing numbers around.

2012 - Joseph restructured $5 million, Johnson restructured $5.2 million
2011 - Johnson Restructured $7.5 million, Demeco Ryans $4 million & Antonio
Smith $3 million. There was more earlier but those $$$ are now off the books.

Would you happen to know the number for the other NFL teams? Preferably the Patriots & Steelers since many think that is the definition of long term cap management.

But I'd also wonder what the number is for the Ravens (who damn near dumped their whole team), the Packers, & the 49ers.

No I don't but I do believe that currently NE is approx $13 mil under the cap, the Steelers approx $5 mil under and the Ravens approx $6 mil and the Texans approx $2 mil under. The final official start of the season cap numbers should be out in a day or two.

Texian
09-02-2013, 10:24 PM
Which contradicts nothing I said.

Thanks for being 4 days late and a dollar short.

Sorry I have been out of town, Didn't say you were contradicting, just trying to keep your apple from turning in to an orange and the universe parallel.

Texian
09-02-2013, 10:29 PM
Like I said, I'm not a cap expert.
But if I read it right, Brady's contract includes a $30M signing bonus plus $1M in base salary this year.
If Brady is out like he was before, it's tough sledding.
Or am I being ignorant?

You're right, Brady's original contract had 2 yrs left and NE GTD the $$$ and spread it over 5 yrs. and if Brady gets hurt $$$ are GTD and there is no Tebow.

infantrycak
09-02-2013, 10:36 PM
Like I said, I'm not a cap expert.
But if I read it right, Brady's contract includes a $30M signing bonus plus $1M in base salary this year.
If Brady is out like he was before, it's tough sledding.
Or am I being ignorant?

Brady's contract is different than most in that the signing bonus is paid out over the life of the contract not just prorated for cap purposes. It is also fully guaranteed through him being 43 years old. All he has to do is show up willing to play and the Patriots are paying him.

paycheck71
09-02-2013, 10:40 PM
If he wins the Super Bowl I bet he gets a Romo/Flacco type contract.


I don't see that happening. If that happens, he just stays on his current contract, and we have a SB winning QB at a bargain.

HJam72
09-02-2013, 10:53 PM
I don't see that happening. If that happens, he just stays on his current contract, and we have a SB winning QB at a bargain.

Haha! No raise for Schwaubie. :facepalm::corrosion:

ChampionTexan
09-03-2013, 02:25 AM
In 2015 the year of JJs new contract Schaub is $17 mil and the yr after $19 mil


People seem to forget (or never realized) that it's entirely possible (perhaps even likely) that 2015 won't be the year of JJs new contract - and not because he gets extended early.

JJ was a first round pick in the first draft class under the current CBA. More importantly, JJ was the 11th pick in the first draft class under the current CBA. Without getting mired in the details, as a component of that CBA, the Texans have a unilateral, non-negotiable option for a 5th year with JJ. This option exists with all first round picks under the current CBA. The amount of the option for the top 10 picks is the Transition tag amount (Essentially, the average of the top 10 highest paid players at their position during their 4th year). For picks 11-32, it's considerably less than that (Essentially, it's the average of the 3rd thru 25th highest paid players at their position during their 4th year), and the CBA is very specific that it can't be supplemented with bonuses or any other type of compensation. To give a little perspective to this, according to Spottrac, for 2013, the average of the 3rd-11th (they only list the top 10 and ties) highest paid DE's is $7.43 Million, so factor in 14 more lower paid players and imagine what you'll get.

What this means is that should they decide to do it, the Texans have JJ for a fifth year at an amount likely south of $6 Million. Add on the fact that they'll still have the right to franchise him for 2016, and with the 2013 Franchise and Transition tag amounts for DE's at roughly $11.2 and $9.15 Million respectively, plus a minimal growth for those tag amounts recently, and it could easily be 2017 before JJ sees either a contract amount in excess of $12 Million or the open market.

I'm sure some of you are saying that's screwing JJ, and McNair and the Texans would never let that happen, well, I'm sure the preference would be to strike a long term deal at a reasonable amount sometime in the offseason between JJ's 3rd and 4th contract year. If that can't be done, and the alternative is to let JJ walk, there's no doubt in my mind the Texans would "screw" JJ.

Now excuse me - I've got to go fret that in five years, JJ might be playing for someone else.

CloakNNNdagger
09-03-2013, 08:36 AM
People seem to forget (or never realized) that it's entirely possible (perhaps even likely) that 2015 won't be the year of JJs new contract - and not because he gets extended early.

JJ was a first round pick in the first draft class under the current CBA. More importantly, JJ was the 11th pick in the first draft class under the current CBA. Without getting mired in the details, as a component of that CBA, the Texans have a unilateral, non-negotiable option for a 5th year with JJ. This option exists with all first round picks under the current CBA. The amount of the option for the top 10 picks is the Transition tag amount (Essentially, the average of the top 10 highest paid players at their position during their 4th year). For picks 11-32, it's considerably less than that (Essentially, it's the average of the 3rd thru 25th highest paid players at their position during their 4th year), and the CBA is very specific that it can't be supplemented with bonuses or any other type of compensation. To give a little perspective to this, according to Spottrac, for 2013, the average of the 3rd-11th (they only list the top 10 and ties) highest paid DE's is $7.43 Million, so factor in 14 more lower paid players and imagine what you'll get.

What this means is that should they decide to do it, the Texans have JJ for a fifth year at an amount likely south of $6 Million. Add on the fact that they'll still have the right to franchise him for 2016, and with the 2013 Franchise and Transition tag amounts for DE's at roughly $11.2 and $9.15 Million respectively, plus a minimal growth for those tag amounts recently, and it could easily be 2017 before JJ sees either a contract amount in excess of $12 Million or the open market.

I'm sure some of you are saying that's screwing JJ, and McNair and the Texans would never let that happen, well, I'm sure the preference would be to strike a long term deal at a reasonable amount sometime in the offseason between JJ's 3rd and 4th contract year. If that can't be done, and the alternative is to let JJ walk, there's no doubt in my mind the Texans would "screw" JJ.

Now excuse me - I've got to go fret that in five years, JJ might be playing for someone else.

MSR. Pointed out that 5th year option to a friend of mine. He kept arguing that wasn't the case. In 5 years, it won't matter or............it won't matter.

thunderkyss
09-03-2013, 08:43 AM
I don't see that happening. If that happens, he just stays on his current contract, and we have a SB winning QB at a bargain.

$14.5M, maybe.

But I don't see the Texans taking a $17M cap hit in 2015, or a $19M cap hit in 2016. Especially if they're trying to sign Cushing & Watt. Those cap hits will come down by prorating a signing bonus and adjusting his salary.

Someone said this contract gives Matt two years to win a Super Bowl, including the 2014 year as a "chance." I think the two years started from the day he signed it, last September. This year is his last chance to prove he's a franchise QB (whether that means winning a SB or not, I don't know, but I think it does).

Some here believe Case Keenum is our future at QB, if that's the case, I can see them parting ways with Matt Schaub at the end of this season to free up room for other players. But not if he wins the Super Bowl.

paycheck71
09-03-2013, 11:10 AM
$14.5M, maybe.

But I don't see the Texans taking a $17M cap hit in 2015, or a $19M cap hit in 2016. Especially if they're trying to sign Cushing & Watt. Those cap hits will come down by prorating a signing bonus and adjusting his salary.

Someone said this contract gives Matt two years to win a Super Bowl, including the 2014 year as a "chance." I think the two years started from the day he signed it, last September. This year is his last chance to prove he's a franchise QB (whether that means winning a SB or not, I don't know, but I think it does).

Some here believe Case Keenum is our future at QB, if that's the case, I can see them parting ways with Matt Schaub at the end of this season to free up room for other players. But not if he wins the Super Bowl.

I basically agree. I think $17-19MM cap hit for him is too much. But it may not be in a couple of years, depending on whether the cap goes up, and what other new QB contracts are signed, especially if he does win a SB.

PapaL
09-03-2013, 11:17 AM
Someone said this contract gives Matt two years to win a Super Bowl, including the 2014 year as a "chance." I think the two years started from the day he signed it, last September. This year is his last chance to prove he's a franchise QB (whether that means winning a SB or not, I don't know, but I think it does).

Franchise QB doesn't equal Super Bowl winning QB. Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl but he damn sure was a Franchise QB.

76Texan
09-03-2013, 02:16 PM
There's a reason why I had said many times that I don't like the business side of football. It's not fun, just like all the informative medical info that CND has been providing us. I keep go back and forth whether I want to know about those things or not. More often, I would rather not know about them things. No fun at all.

paycheck71
09-03-2013, 02:27 PM
There's a reason why I had said many times that I don't like the business side of football. It's not fun, just like all the informative medical info that CND has been providing us. I keep go back and forth whether I want to know about those things or not. More often, I would rather not know about them things. No fun at all.

I don't think any fan needs to be an expert on cap management or be an MD, but having basic knowledge doesn't hurt and just realizing that things like the salary cap and injuries severely impact football decisions, i.e. not being able to resign ALL the players you want to keep, or not being as deep as you'd want to be across the board.

ChampionTexan
09-03-2013, 03:19 PM
There's a reason why I had said many times that I don't like the business side of football. It's not fun, just like all the informative medical info that CND has been providing us. I keep go back and forth whether I want to know about those things or not. More often, I would rather not know about them things. No fun at all.
http://furtherglory.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jedemdasseine04.jpg

76Texan
09-03-2013, 03:34 PM
http://furtherglory.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jedemdasseine04.jpg

You made me look it up, LOL.

True that; I would rather stick to watching game film.
I like that a heck a whole lot more. :brando:

Texian
09-03-2013, 05:22 PM
2012 - Joseph restructured $5 million, Johnson restructured $5.2 million
2011 - Johnson Restructured $7.5 million, Demeco Ryans $4 million & Antonio
Smith $3 million. There was more earlier but those $$$ are now off the books.



No I don't but I do believe that currently NE is approx $13 mil under the cap, the Steelers approx $5 mil under and the Ravens approx $6 mil and the Texans approx $2 mil under. The final official start of the season cap numbers should be out in a day or two.

add: 2013 - JOHNSON Restructured $5.5 million

drs23
09-03-2013, 06:14 PM
add: 2013 - JOHNSON Restructured $5.5 million

Kick'n the can...again...

ObsiWan
09-03-2013, 07:55 PM
http://furtherglory.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jedemdasseine04.jpg
what's with the slogon on the front door of a concentration camp??

paycheck71
09-03-2013, 09:44 PM
what's with the slogon on the front door of a concentration camp??

Arbeit macht frei - Work makes you free.

b0ng
09-03-2013, 11:21 PM
what's with the slogon on the front door of a concentration camp??

Jedem das Seine - to each their own

paycheck71
09-03-2013, 11:42 PM
what's with the slogon on the front door of a concentration camp??

Arbeit macht frei - Work makes you free.

Jedem das Seine - to each their own

I guess both are true. I've only been to the one in Dachau, near Munich.

LINK (https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=728&q=concentration+camp+gate+sign&oq=concentration+camp+gate+&gs_l=img.3.0.0i24.19213.23218.0.25202.24.19.0.5.5. 1.420.1995.16j1j1j0j1.19.0....0...1ac.1.26.img..1. 23.1777.OMyeADNqfDs)

Texn4life
09-04-2013, 01:23 AM
An Ed Reed thread about missing games with no talk about how he actually participated in a full practice today?

The Third Man
09-04-2013, 02:22 AM
An Ed Reed thread about missing games with no talk about how he actually participated in a full practice today?

That doesn't fit the narrative of the concern troll fanbase.

PapaL
09-04-2013, 08:46 AM
An Ed Reed thread about missing games with no talk about how he actually participated in a full practice today?

We're talking about practice. PRACTICE!

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2013, 10:29 AM
We're talking about practice. PRACTICE!

Originally Posted by Texn4life View Post
An Ed Reed thread about missing games with no talk about how he actually participated in a full practice today?

The only CONTACT practice on a Monday football week usually occurs on Thursday, not Wednesday as typical. Then again you don't know how much Reed would be "let loose" even during that practice.

2012Champs
09-04-2013, 10:30 AM
The only CONTACT practice on a Monday football week usually occurs on Thursday, not Wednesday as typical. Then again you don't know how much Reed would be "let loose" even during that practice.



I think that was an Iverson ref

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2013, 10:33 AM
I think that was an Iverson ref

I know. I was referring to Texan4life's post (somehow, failed to quote it.........will go back and do so).

Hervoyel
09-04-2013, 10:37 AM
Franchise QB doesn't equal Super Bowl winning QB. Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl but he damn sure was a Franchise QB.

This is true and when Matt plays in a fashion that gets him consistently compared to Dan Marino then he'll have a case for being a franchise QB. Without that level of performance though he will probably need to get a ring to be able to make that case.

PapaL
09-04-2013, 10:48 AM
This is true and when Matt plays in a fashion that gets him consistently compared to Dan Marino then he'll have a case for being a franchise QB. Without that level of performance though he will probably need to get a ring to be able to make that case.

So your point is we currently have no franchise QB?

76Texan
09-04-2013, 11:09 AM
So your point is we currently have no franchise QB?

LOL.

I think we need to agree on the definition of a franchise QB.

IMO, a franchised QB is one that can help your team contend for the play-offs consistently, provided that the other units also do their job.
For example, look at Peyton's play-off record; it's 9-11.
Manning has a losing play-off record, but nobody would say that he's not a franchise QB.

We know that the Texans could have won many more games if only the D and the special team had played up to contenders level.

Rey
09-04-2013, 11:22 AM
Schaub is chad Pennington without moxie.

281
09-04-2013, 11:23 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000238010/article/ed-reed-reportedly-unlikely-to-play-in-texans-opener

I'm okay with him missing these first two games, honestly. I have a feeling he'll be back against Baltimore.