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drs23
09-04-2013, 10:53 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000238010/article/ed-reed-reportedly-unlikely-to-play-in-texans-opener

I'm okay with him missing these first two games, honestly. I have a feeling he'll be back against Baltimore.

Yep, he ain't gonna miss that game and he should be closer to 'game shape' by then as well.

Gonna pick him some Flacco.

Texn4life
09-04-2013, 11:24 AM
The only CONTACT practice on a Monday football week usually occurs on Thursday, not Wednesday as typical. Then again you don't know how much Reed would be "let loose" even during that practice.

I understand that, but its still more relevant to the inital topic of the thread rather than some of the other discussion. Thats why I made that comment.

PapaL
09-04-2013, 11:44 AM
LOL.

I think we need to agree on the definition of a franchise QB.

IMO, a franchised QB is one that can help your team contend for the play-offs consistently, provided that the other units also do their job.
For example, look at Peyton's play-off record; it's 9-11.
Manning has a losing play-off record, but nobody would say that he's not a franchise QB.

We know that the Texans could have won many more games if only the D and the special team had played up to contenders level.

That I would agree with. Saying Schaub isn't our/a Franchise QB is ludicrous.

No one would argue he's a Super Bowl Winning QB. That much is a fact.

thunderkyss
09-04-2013, 12:00 PM
IMO, a franchised QB is one that can help your team contend for the play-offs consistently, provided that the other units also do their job.
For example, look at Peyton's play-off record; it's 9-11.
Manning has a losing play-off record, but nobody would say that he's not a franchise QB.


imo, you've got a franchise QB if you're confident he gives you a chance to win any game.

Silly definition I know, because it's very subjective & it really doesn't matter what we think, Kubiak & Smith believe Matt gives them the best option to win on Sunday (or Monday, or Thursday, you know what I mean).

Let's say Kyle Orton is your QB. He gives your team the best option to win on gameday. Looking at his last season as the starter, most people would look at him & his team & figure they'd probably win 9 games, maybe 10. Kick him to the curb, install Peyton Manning & there's no doubt the Broncos will win 10 games & win the division.

The Patriots lost Hernandez, Welker, Woodhead, Gronk just had back surgery..... still can't figure out that secondary thing... issues on the OL, but they've got Brady, they're in a weak division, most likely win 10 games... blah blah blah.

If we lose our young RG, it's probably over for the Texans. Matt Schaub or no.

76Texan
09-04-2013, 12:40 PM
imo, you've got a franchise QB if you're confident he gives you a chance to win any game.

Silly definition I know, because it's very subjective & it really doesn't matter what we think, Kubiak & Smith believe Matt gives them the best option to win on Sunday (or Monday, or Thursday, you know what I mean).

If we lose our young RG, it's probably over for the Texans. Matt Schaub or no.
I agree... that it's a silly definition. :kitten:

You're describing a HOF QB and a multi-SB winning QB there!

Regarding Brook, we still have Ben Jones, who should improve in his second year (even though it's not a given, just a percentage thing.)

76Texan
09-04-2013, 02:05 PM
The only CONTACT practice on a Monday football week usually occurs on Thursday, not Wednesday as typical. Then again you don't know how much Reed would be "let loose" even during that practice.

Bouye thinks Reed looks good in practice:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/09/ed-reed-continues-to-impress-texans-moves-closer-toward-playing-vs-chargers/

Lurvinator11
09-04-2013, 03:53 PM
John Clayton just reported that Ed Reed will not play on Monday

cstyle42
09-04-2013, 04:22 PM
John Clayton just reported that Ed Reed will not play on Monday

He simply isn't 100%.

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2013, 04:23 PM
Jason La Canfora just reported the Reed is "unlikely to play Monday."

Tesuns
09-04-2013, 04:32 PM
NFL TV network ticker has Ed Reed (out) against Chargers.

Porky
09-04-2013, 05:02 PM
I've been saying week 3 all along. He's close, but they are going to play it conservative which I think is prudent in his case. Maybe we will see him get his feet wet in week 2, who knows. But I think it's week 3 when he starts (just a guess)

drs23
09-04-2013, 05:11 PM
I agree... that it's a silly definition. :kitten:

You're describing a HOF QB and a multi-SB winning QB there!

Regarding Brook, we still have Ben Jones, who should improve in his second year (even though it's not a given, just a percentage thing.)

Who's "Brook"?...and what position does he play? When did we sign him? See nothing on the transaction ledger even mentioning a "Brook", cut, signed, waived...nothing.

Please, do tell.

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2013, 05:23 PM
What happened to Billick and others insisting "This is just Ed being Ed"? We must all become realistic as the road comes closer to the end than to the beginning, things eventually change, parts start falling of, and are much more difficult to repair if they can be repaired at all. No one can deny that Reed is still a tenacious trooper, but Billick may be still remembering THIS Ed Reed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG_f1GzmwHo

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2013, 05:25 PM
Who's "Brook"?...and what position does he play? When did we sign him? See nothing on the transaction ledger even mentioning a "Brook", cut, signed, waived...nothing.

Please, do tell.

Brooks.

DX-TEX
09-04-2013, 06:17 PM
What happened to Billick and others insisting "This is just Ed being Ed"? We must all become realistic as the road comes closer to the end than to the beginning, things eventually change, parts start falling of, and are much more difficult to repair if they can be repaired at all. No one can deny that Reed is still a tenacious trooper, but Billick may be still remembering THIS Ed Reed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG_f1GzmwHo

It is, was and always will be Ed being Ed. So what if he sits the first game. I firmly believe its Kubiak/Smith/Wade that would prefer him to sit. No way he sits against the Ravens though

ObsiWan
09-04-2013, 06:19 PM
Arbeit macht frei - Work makes you free.

Only if it's work you CHOSE to do.

thunderkyss
09-04-2013, 07:44 PM
It is, was and always will be Ed being Ed. So what if he sits the first game. I firmly believe its Kubiak/Smith/Wade that would prefer him to sit. No way he sits against the Ravens though

I think he's healthy enough to play & if this were the Ravens, he'd probably play. But since this is new to Reed, new to Jjo, new to Kj I would have been surprised if he played with just one week of practice.

I said the same thing about Iverson, it's not that we think he needs practice, but the guys around him have got to "acclimate" to him & he's got to get to know his teammates.

DX-TEX
09-05-2013, 01:09 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/First_Look_Ed_Reed_at_work/1879a600-792b-4241-a2d4-a56917c8ff76

Ed Reed at practice today. Now Im wondering if his "not playing" is just Ed. Seriously my head hurts.

hookinreds
09-05-2013, 02:04 PM
I thought that I heard some talking head on the radio say that Ed has an incentive if he plays in the first game. Is there a monetary clause in his contract for suiting up for game one, or did I misunderstand their comment?

Rey
09-05-2013, 02:09 PM
I maintain that I think he'll play. I think he'll see a few snaps throughout. Maybe 25-30.

badboy
09-05-2013, 02:15 PM
I maintain that I think he'll play. I think he'll see a few snaps throughout. Maybe 25-30.if he plays anywhere near that I will be estatic. Same with Posey and Cush. I also hope Newton and Wade Smith look healthier.

DX-TEX
09-05-2013, 02:17 PM
if he plays anywhere near that I will be estatic. Same with Posey and Cush. I also hope Newton and Wade Smith look healthier.

Kubiak stated today that Wade Smith practiced and looked good. Stated they were still monitoring Reed

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2013, 06:28 PM
More "useful" information........


Ed Reed possible for Chargers, but not probable (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/09/ed-reed-has-not-been-ruled-out-for-season-opener-yet/)
Posted on September 5, 2013 at 1:42 pm by Dale Robertson

Gary Kubiak insisted that free safety Ed Reed has made a lot of progress since starting to work with the team for the first time Monday, but he didn’t sound confident that the former Baltimore Raven will be able to play against San Diego.

“He’s come a long way, guys,” Kubiak said. “But there’s some progress that would (still) have to be made as far getting him ready to go on Monday. I don’t want to say it can’t happen because it’s been such good progress. We’ll see day-to-day right now.”

After getting into the mix on Monday and Tuesday, Reed “participated on a limited basis” in Thursday’s workout as the Texans began putting in their game plan for the Chargers and Kubiak said Reed will be in full pads Friday.

“We’ll see how he responds to that,” Kubiak said. “But there has been great progress.”

Texn4life
09-05-2013, 07:16 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/First_Look_Ed_Reed_at_work/1879a600-792b-4241-a2d4-a56917c8ff76

Ed Reed at practice today. Now Im wondering if his "not playing" is just Ed. Seriously my head hurts.

Its kind of hard to see anything from that since he was working purely on technique, but I'd say it's 50/50 right now. Honestly I'd prefer he sit and make his debut at home next week. But if he's ready to go then he's ready to go. Getting him reps in obvious passing situations wouldn't be a bad idea.

Texan_Bill
09-05-2013, 07:21 PM
Meh, he'll be ready for game 3.... :thinking: I think it's game 3 but he'll be ready.

76Texan
09-05-2013, 08:00 PM
Its kind of hard to see anything from that since he was working purely on technique, but I'd say it's 50/50 right now. Honestly I'd prefer he sit and make his debut at home next week. But if he's ready to go then he's ready to go. Getting him reps in obvious passing situations wouldn't be a bad idea.

Is that you, Keo? :swatter:

ChampionTexan
09-05-2013, 08:01 PM
I thought that I heard some talking head on the radio say that Ed has an incentive if he plays in the first game. Is there a monetary clause in his contract for suiting up for game one, or did I misunderstand their comment?

Adam Schefter has reported that $1 Million in Reed's 2013 compensation is in the form of a per game incentive - meaning he gets $62,500 for every game he plays in.

76Texan
09-05-2013, 08:03 PM
Adam Schefter has reported that $1 Million in Reed's 2013 compensation is in the form of a per game incentive - meaning he gets $62,500 for every game he plays in .

No wonder.

Texn4life
09-05-2013, 08:06 PM
Adam Schefter has reported that $1 Million in Reed's 2013 compensation is in the form of a per game incentive - meaning he gets $62,500 for every game he plays in.

Yeah, he'll definitely be back by next week then. No way he's leaving 125 grand on the table.

eriadoc
09-06-2013, 03:03 AM
What happened to Billick and others insisting "This is just Ed being Ed"?

It's Ed being Old Ed with a blown out hip.

If you can't spot the guppy at the table ...

HOU-TEX
09-06-2013, 08:47 AM
Meh, he'll be ready for game 3.... :thinking: I think it's game 3 but he'll be ready.

Yezzir, it is. He'll definitely be back for that one

CloakNNNdagger
09-07-2013, 10:22 AM
These quotes from Reed illustrates well why I am always speaking of the risk of "COMPENSATORY INJURIES" in players coming back from injury or surgery and its role in coming back too soon (independent of concern over re-injury of the original injured area) ......... From yesterday:

(on if he has a gut feel about whether he’ll play on Monday) “We’re going to be smart about it. It probably will be a decision that’s made right before the game. That’s the way this has been going. Kind of 50-50 right now honestly. I couldn’t say if I’m going to play or not going to play. If Coach (Gary Kubiak) says it’s up to me and it’s up to me to some degree and it’s up to him too and how he feels about the team as a whole. But us, we’re communicating well and I’m moving well. I’m progressing. I’ve been progressing. I feel strong, but I know I still have some things that are weak because you have that hip surgery; you lose strength, which you’re usually losing your glut strength, your hamstring to overwork. My left hip was compensating as well. It’s a lot of maintenance that I have to do to make sure nothing else happens and I pray nothing us happens, but you can’t control it. That’s football. You tend to have injuries.”

(on if he learned more about maintaining his body because of his previous surgery) “No, I knew that from the jump. Just from the history of going through it the first time. I knew that was the case because my hamstring was tight. You’ve just got to be smart about it.”

CloakNNNdagger
09-07-2013, 02:56 PM
(on how he’s doing right now) “I’m doing well. It’s progressing. Last time I talked to you guys, it was progressing and it was good. It’s much better now. I’ve still got some scar tissue that needs to be broken up and that’s probably the thing that makes my hip guard. Mentally, I guard it a little bit, but it feels good.”

(on receiving injections and what his process has been since receiving them) “Those injections, it takes like two weeks to kick in. Two weeks would be Monday, on Monday night. I still kind of feel the injections, the needles. The needles put me to sleep. The needles are this long (gestures to hands) and I had four of them all in the same spot. That’s different than having one shot, like I had last time. It’s a little different feeling for me. It caused a little bit more scar tissue, a little bit more trauma. It kind of slowed me down a little bit as far as the workouts. Once you get the blood flowing a little bit and everything, I’m starting to feel a lot of better. You can see that I kind of stepped back you could say.”

(on what the injections were supposed to do) “The injections basically, in layman’s terms, kind of help speed up the healing process. Take the bad blood out, spin it if I’m not mistaken and put the good blood back in.”

(on if the injections were kind of like taking a half-step back in order to take a couple of steps forward) “Yeah, pretty much. Just kind of speed the process up a little bit. It does cause trauma. It does sit you down for a few days. Most guys in this locker room know, for a few days if you sit down, it takes a little bit of toll on you. It kind of gets you out of your rhythm and it did, but it’s bouncing back well, icing and moving around. I’m still just getting acclimated to the schedule and everything.”link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Texans-Quotes-September-6/05ab8c89-7af5-4705-883e-77fe9ec0eef4)

Besides an initial steroid injection, the most recent set of injections were evidently plasma-rich platelets. There have been hundreds of studies looking at this mode of therapy.........and, despite anecdotal testimony, the data as to prove efficacy has remained very questionable.

The first week after the injections, there should be little activity other than walking. Pain from the injections usually lasts only a few days. Typical progression of activity then goes to gentle stretching and range of motion exercises usually begun weeks 1-2 with gentle strengthening in weeks 3-6. If all goes well, eccentric strengthening at 6 weeks with sport specific training and return to play thereafter.

There is no real "positive change" that is even expected at 2 weeks post injections, and in order to gain any purported safe benefits from this therapy, the steps of post injection rehab must still not be rushed.

BTW, from Reed's explanation of they "take the bad blood out, spin it if I’m not mistaken and put the good blood back in”, he seems to have no real concept (even in lay terms) how the injections are supposed to work.

ObsiWan
09-07-2013, 05:21 PM
link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Texans-Quotes-September-6/05ab8c89-7af5-4705-883e-77fe9ec0eef4)

Besides an initial steroid injection, the most recent set of injections were evidently plasma-rich platelets. There have been hundreds of studies looking at this mode of therapy.........and, despite anecdotal testimony, the data as to prove efficacy has remained very questionable.

The first week after the injections, there should be little activity other than walking. Pain from the injections usually lasts only a few days. Typical progression of activity then goes to gentle stretching and range of motion exercises usually begun weeks 1-2 with gentle strengthening in weeks 3-6. If all goes well, eccentric strengthening at 6 weeks with sport specific training and return to play thereafter.

There is no real "positive change" that is even expected at 2 weeks post injections, and in order to gain any purported safe benefits from this therapy, the steps of post injection rehab must still not be rushed.

BTW, from Reed's explanation of they "take the bad blood out, spin it if I’m not mistaken and put the good blood back in”, he seems to have no real concept (even in lay terms) how the injections are supposed to work.

Soooo where are we on this timeline? Sixth week? Eighth week?

And I understand the timeline is an estimate; Ed may meet it, he may beat it, or he might take longer. But where are we approximately?

CloakNNNdagger
09-07-2013, 05:51 PM
Soooo where are we on this timeline? Sixth week? Eighth week?

And I understand the timeline is an estimate; Ed may meet it, he may beat it, or he might take longer. But where are we approximately?

Even though you are wording your question coyly, you are still looking for a relatively specific answer.:foottap: It's so hard to tell with a player like Reed and an organization like the Texans. The truth is, like I've said with so many other players, incompletely rehabbed players can be thrown out there any time. The question is what will they look like, and will they sustain a re-injury or another injury while they're at it. The fact that he's still talking about breaking up scar tissue (with cortisone to help soften it up), then a set of platelet-rich plasma injections which are given mainly for significant pain reflecting tendon or ligament damage, and no significant amount of team contact practice under his belt, he probably shouldn't be out there for at least another 4 games or so........and then I believe his performance will likely be compromised. That being said, nothing would surprise me. But it also wouldn't surprise me if he is put out there for a game or two......and disappears again for awhile.

Playoffs
09-07-2013, 05:53 PM
Besides an initial steroid injection, the most recent set of injections were evidently plasma-rich platelets...

Would that be the same as "stem cell" injections, like for back issues?

CloakNNNdagger
09-07-2013, 06:56 PM
Would that be the same as "stem cell" injections, like for back issues?

Stem cell therapy outside of bone marrow transplants have not been approved by the FDA in the US. Some limited use of umbilical chord blood for specific disease entities have been allowed, but mostly in clinical trial environments. Stem cells, sometimes called the body’s “master cells,” are the precursor cells that develop into blood, brain, bones and all of your organs. Their promise in medical treatments is that they have the potential to repair, restore, replace and regenerate cells that could then be used to treat many medical conditions and diseases. The problem is that cancers in general have now been shown to develop from these same stem cells, and when "traumatized" as in the injection process, they can easily mutate into cancerous counterparts of their intended regenerative targets.

Platelet-rich plasma is quite different. Blood is made of red blood cells, white blood cells, plasma, and platelets. Platelets were initially known to be responsible for blood clotting. In the last 20 years we have learned that when activated in the body, platelets (naturally mobilized in the body) create controlled inflammation and release healing proteins called growth factors. There are many growth factors with varying responsibilities, however cumulatively they accelerate tissue and wound healing. Therefore, under an unproven premise thus far, after increasing the baseline concentration of these platelets with platelet-rich plasma (an artificial process), we are able to deliver a powerful cocktail of growth factors that can theoretically dramatically enhance tissue recovery.

Playoffs
09-07-2013, 07:29 PM
Stem cell therapy outside of bone marrow transplants have not been approved by the FDA in the US...

A friend had a procedure where they took fat & blood(I think) and "spun" it and later injected it somewhere into his back to help with back pain. Worked wonders for him, and he's the original doubting Thomas. He said "stem", may be something else?

CloakNNNdagger
09-07-2013, 07:37 PM
A friend had a procedure where they took fat & blood(I think) and "spun" it and later injected it somewhere into his back to help with back pain. Worked wonders for him, and he's the original doubting Thomas. He said "stem", may be something else?

A company in Houston, Celltex, which did this was shut down by the FDA for manufacturing infractions in January. Furthermore, there are renegade doctors that do these procedures without approval or regulatory oversight. This type of therapy is neither considered proven (some can have dramatic placebo effect) nor safe.

jaayteetx
09-07-2013, 08:02 PM
A company in Houston, Celltex, which did this was shut down by the FDA for manufacturing infractions in January. Furthermore, there are renegade doctors that do these procedures without approval or regulatory oversight. This type of therapy is neither considered proven (some can have dramatic placebo effect) nor safe.

C'mon Doc, they said those things about leeches once too.

ubecool454
09-07-2013, 08:10 PM
I guess both are true. I've only been to the one in Dachau, near Munich.

LINK (https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=728&q=concentration+camp+gate+sign&oq=concentration+camp+gate+&gs_l=img.3.0.0i24.19213.23218.0.25202.24.19.0.5.5. 1.420.1995.16j1j1j0j1.19.0....0...1ac.1.26.img..1. 23.1777.OMyeADNqfDs)

Did your stomach get sick like mine did? That place still and always will have a eery feeling to it.

CloakNNNdagger
09-08-2013, 10:01 AM
C'mon Doc, they said those things about leeches once too.

Big difference. For years and years, I've used leeches in salvaging some of my flap reconstruction and replantation of digits and limbs. Same for maggots in cleaning up wounds with gangrenous tissue within. There has NEVER been a question as to IF leech and maggot therapy works. Egyptians used leech and maggot therapy 3,500 years ago. The treatments were back in vogue during the Middle Ages, and again in the 1800s. These therapies were not FDA-approved until the early 2000s, not because it was felt that they were not effective, but because before that time, a company growing and distributing them for medical use could not prove that the leeches and maggots would be disease-free and could not themselves transmit disease.

thunderkyss
09-08-2013, 11:15 AM
Big difference.

I thought he was joking.

bckey
09-08-2013, 05:41 PM
I thought he was joking.

I did too.

CretorFrigg
09-08-2013, 06:31 PM
It's starting to look more and more like ol' Ed is pulling an Ahman Green.

Texn4life
09-08-2013, 07:15 PM
It's starting to look more and more like ol' Ed is pulling an Ahman Green.

Can we at least wait until he tries to play a game first? And Ahman Green didn't pull anything. The Texans signed him, and he wasn't very good when they did. That falls on the Texans, not him. Is he supposed to turn down a multi-million dollar contract?

potisyourfriend
09-08-2013, 07:38 PM
Can we at least wait until he tries to play a game first? And Ahman Green didn't pull anything. The Texans signed him, and he wasn't very good when they did. That falls on the Texans, not him. Is he supposed to turn down a multi-million dollar contract?

How about the Texans pulled another Boselli? No one is blaming Reed so calm down. The Texans made yet another mistake on an old player in the FA market. Why do they refuse to get legit serviceable non choir boy players as FAs? It sure would be nice if they ever decided to get a REAL #2 FA WR opposite AJ but they'll do that once AJ is gone and we need a #1 WR.

If Reed plays 5 games this year I will be shocked. Which would be 5x as many as Boselli.

EllisUnit
09-08-2013, 07:45 PM
How about the Texans pulled another Boselli? No one is blaming Reed so calm down. The Texans made yet another mistake on an old player in the FA market. Why do they refuse to get legit serviceable players as FAs?

Manning, JoJo have been good.

As everyone knows we have never been a team to go after big name FAs or break the bank during the off season, so i was surprised when we got JoJo and Manning, even more surprised when the signed Reed, but i think we'll play and i think he will help us win a championship.

All we need him there for is in the play-offs.

potisyourfriend
09-08-2013, 07:48 PM
Manning, JoJo have been good.

As everyone knows we have never been a team to go after big name FAs or break the bank during the off season, so i was surprised when we got JoJo and Manning, even more surprised when the signed Reed, but i think we'll play and i think he will help us win a championship.

All we need him there for is in the play-offs.

I hope they play and don't forfeit. Ed needs to be there before the Playoffs. You think a player on Defense at the tender age of 50 can just show up for the Playoffs and be good?

EllisUnit
09-08-2013, 07:49 PM
I hope they play and don't forfeit. Ed needs to be there before the Playoffs. You think a player on Defense at the tender age of 50 can just show up for the Playoffs and be good?

age of 50 > And if i'm not mistake didnt the ravens win the SB with these 2 50 year olds in reed and lewis ?

Texn4life
09-08-2013, 07:53 PM
How about the Texans pulled another Boselli? No one is blaming Reed so calm down. The Texans made yet another mistake on an old player in the FA market. Why do they refuse to get legit serviceable non choir boy players as FAs? It sure would be nice if they ever decided to get a REAL #2 FA WR opposite AJ but they'll do that once AJ is gone and we need a #1 WR.

If Reed plays 5 games this year I will be shocked. Which would be 5x as many as Boselli.

Calm down? Go smoke some more of your friend........ It can't be determined whether or not the Texans made a mistake because a game hasn't been played yet. Reed's value won't be able to be determined until the end of the year. Boseli didn't play for a full season before the Texans drafted him. To me these are completely different situations.

potisyourfriend
09-08-2013, 08:34 PM
Calm down? Go smoke some more of your friend........ It can't be determined whether or not the Texans made a mistake because a game hasn't been played yet. Reed's value won't be able to be determined until the end of the year. Boseli didn't play for a full season before the Texans drafted him. To me these are completely different situations.



I think the Texans smoked some when they signed that contract. Reed is old and had major hip surgery. I hope when he plays he's effective because just playing is irrelevant if he sucks.


I guess this is Ed being Ed :rollseyes:

Texn4life
09-08-2013, 08:43 PM
I think the Texans smoked some when they signed that contract. Reed is old and had major hip surgery. I hope when he plays he's effective because just playing is irrelevant if he sucks.


I guess this is Ed being Ed :rollseyes:

Dude, Reed came off a season where he just had an INT in the Super Bowl that his team won. Boseli was injury riddle for a few years and didn't even play a game the season before the Texans drafted him. You can't even compare the 2 situations.

TdotTexas2Step
09-09-2013, 12:14 AM
It's so easy to be drastically negative about this whole Ed Reed thing.

Reed has a bad season, you look good for predicting something that doesn't take a football genius to figure out.

Reed has a productive season, you get to enjoy the success of being a Texan fan.

Win-win scenario.

And when you factor in the contract, losing Quinn, and there really not being any other options, and people just look silly for having such strong negative opinions towards this all.

thunderkyss
09-09-2013, 07:28 AM
And when you factor in the contract, losing Quinn, and there really not being any other options, and people just look silly for having such strong negative opinions towards this all.

It wasn't about options. Plain & simple, Ed Reed expressed interest to Andre about wanting to be a Texan right after they won the Super Bowl. Andre relayed the information to Gary & Rick.

Gary & Rick decided Ed Reed had something to offer this team. They then formulated a plan that made sense to them. With the situation we were in, it made more sense, to them, to let Quin go. It had nothing to do with the money, we gave Ed Reed more or less the same money Detroit gave Quin. They decided they preferred Reed to Quin.

If Ed Reeds ability to play in week 1 is a major concern for someone, or if someone thinks this is Ahman Green/Tony Bosselli part 2 (or 3 depending how you're counting) then they simply do not understand the purpose Ed Reed is here.

htowntexans1985
09-09-2013, 08:34 AM
Adam Schefter @ AdamSchefter

Texans S Ed Reed, recovering from off-
season hip surgery, is not expected to
play tonight vs. San Diego, per sources.

DX-TEX
09-09-2013, 09:23 AM
Adam Schefter @ AdamSchefter

Texans S Ed Reed, recovering from off-
season hip surgery, is not expected to
play tonight vs. San Diego, per sources.

His source is PFT who posted this same story at 3:30 PM yesterday.

Pantherstang84
09-09-2013, 12:15 PM
Adam Schefter @ AdamSchefter

Texans S Ed Reed, recovering from off-
season hip surgery, is not expected to
play tonight vs. San Diego, per sources.

Really. I would have never guessed it.

Pantherstang84
09-09-2013, 12:19 PM
It wasn't about options. Plain & simple, Ed Reed expressed interest to Andre about wanting to be a Texan right after they won the Super Bowl. Andre relayed the information to Gary & Rick.

Gary & Rick decided Ed Reed had something to offer this team. They then formulated a plan that made sense to them. With the situation we were in, it made more sense, to them, to let Quin go. It had nothing to do with the money, we gave Ed Reed more or less the same money Detroit gave Quin. They decided they preferred Reed to Quin.

If Ed Reeds ability to play in week 1 is a major concern for someone, or if someone thinks this is Ahman Green/Tony Bosselli part 2 (or 3 depending how you're counting) then they simply do not understand the purpose Ed Reed is here.

if you want him to coach, let him retire and give him a whistle. Otherwise he is wasting a roster spot sitting on the bench. Until he gets full reps in practice, it is part 3. Seriously, they did not give the man a physical before signing him?

PapaL
09-09-2013, 01:19 PM
I keep reading a lot of battered spouse syndrome here. Ed isn't Boselli. He isn't Green. He isn't Moulds. Until he misses significant time I think some people are putting the cart before the horse.

My 2¢.

Say Watt
09-09-2013, 02:01 PM
I keep reading a lot of battered spouse syndrome here. Ed isn't Boselli. He isn't Green. He isn't Moulds. Until he misses significant time I think some people are putting the cart before the horse.

My 2¢.

You're probably right, but it's so much more fun to be overly dramatic.

thunderkyss
09-09-2013, 02:02 PM
if you want him to coach, let him retire and give him a whistle. Otherwise he is wasting a roster spot sitting on the bench. Until he gets full reps in practice, it is part 3. Seriously, they did not give the man a physical before signing him?

It's not about him coaching either & if you're asking about a physical, you need to use the search feature because we covered that several times long ago.

PapaL
09-09-2013, 07:31 PM
You're probably right, but it's so much more fun to be overly dramatic.

I see. I'll stop trying to bring logic to this thread.
As I was...hahaha

drs23
09-09-2013, 07:46 PM
I see. I'll stop trying to bring logic to this thread.
As I was...hahaha

NO, DON'T, STOP! I've heard that before. :D

potisyourfriend
09-09-2013, 08:06 PM
Playing in the game is irrelevant if he plays and isn't effective. I hope he can play and be effective. I keep hearing Ed is being Ed and will play the first game. Hopefully that's the case.

Texian
09-09-2013, 08:13 PM
Playing in the game is irrelevant if he plays and isn't effective. I hope he can play and be effective. I keep hearing Ed is being Ed and will play the first game. Hopefully that's the case.

Reed is inactive

CloakNNNdagger
09-15-2013, 11:39 AM
Ed Reed not playing today should surprise no one. The cortisone injection and four plasma rich platelet injections he received a couple of weeks ago would not have been necessary if his labrum repair was healing as anticipated and if there was no significant inflammation in the area of the hip joint. Saying that the platelet injections would kick in after a week or two is demonstrating a total ignorance of how these injections are supposed to work. Even though at this time, studies have not been shown to demonstrate any consistency that these injections are effective, those that do claim some success, assess their progress at 6 months and 12 months. Thus whatever improvement may be appreciated may be strictly a reflection of what would have happened over time anyway given this additional natural healing time. It wouldn't surprise me a bit, if Reed is played in the Ravens game, in that it would be more of Reed trying to "sock it to" the team that released him after years of loyalty, and the Texans trying to save face for mis-assessing his hip health status and taking on a player with potential "dead weight." It also wouldn't surprise me if when he does eventually see the field again for a game or two, it may result in him disappearing for an indeterminate number of subsequent games, if he is fortunate enough to return at all. And with the way this recovery has gone to this point, what his performance when he does return is, will likely be one big crapshoot.

potisyourfriend
09-15-2013, 11:48 AM
They did not release him. But still it's Ed being Ed, right? He'll be back next week and dominate the rest of the year

Cerberus
09-15-2013, 12:01 PM
They did not release him. But still it's Ed being Ed, right? He'll be back next week and dominate the rest of the year

I don't know. I'm thinking if the Texans had to do it all over again, they'd probably shy away from him. Ed was great in his day, but it is beginning to look like the Ravens made the right move.

potisyourfriend
09-15-2013, 04:41 PM
I don't know. I'm thinking if the Texans had to do it all over again, they'd probably shy away from him. Ed was great in his day, but it is beginning to look like the Ravens made the right move.

Keep your negative/second thought feelings out of this thread or else you'll wake the nut huggers.

Hervoyel
09-15-2013, 05:09 PM
I don't know. I'm thinking if the Texans had to do it all over again, they'd probably shy away from him. Ed was great in his day, but it is beginning to look like the Ravens made the right move.

It is but they took a shot. If it doesn't work out then you move on and try something else next year.

potisyourfriend
09-15-2013, 05:26 PM
The Defense is fine right now without him. We need an injection shot on the offense.

CloakNNNdagger
09-17-2013, 11:43 AM
This HT.com article on Reed's status is somewhat comical. Read it. Then, not knowing when it was published, the wording of the quotes and all, see if you could figure out if it were an article published yesterday, a week ago, two weeks ago, three weeks ago.........

Ed Reed was very, very close to playing vs. TEN (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Ed-Reed-was-very-very-close-to-playing-vs-TEN/eb409faf-ef93-4fbf-a91e-697afa2fdb36)

CloakNNNdagger
09-20-2013, 09:23 AM
Ed Reed calls return to Baltimore just 'another away game'


By Jeff Zrebiec, The Baltimore Sun

7:58 p.m. EDT, September 19, 2013

Ed Reed insisted that it won't be an emotional day for him. His return to the place where he played for 11 seasons to face an organization that he won a Super Bowl with seven months ago is just "another away game right now."

But as Reed continued to talk, he offered a glimpse of the emotional tug that he will probably experience Sunday when he returns to Baltimore to face the Ravens as a member of the Houston Texans.

He admits to thinking about the short drive to M&T Bank Stadium from a downtown hotel and the familiar walk past security guards that he's shaken hands with on game days for years now. But that's where things get fuzzy because his destination has never been the visitor's locker room.
Ed Reed calls return to Baltimore just 'another away game'

"I still got a lot of thinking to do," Reed said Thursday in a conference call with local reporters. "My time in Baltimore was awesome, every bit of it. I have no regrets from when [general manager Ozzie Newsome] called me on draft day, to being in the old facility, practicing in the snow with [head coach Brian Billick] and just everything we went through with Coach [John Harbaugh] and growing. Iron sharpening iron. I have a lot of great memories, a lot of great friends.

"I always will be a Raven. That's where I was kind of raised in the NFL. I did a lot of growing and we did a lot of special things. That's something that can never be taken away and it never will. There's a lot of love there."

Reed, the ball-hawking safety who has built a future Hall of Fame career on surprising quarterbacks, seems intent on keeping everybody guessing until the very end. Signed by the Texans in late March, Reed has yet to suit up for a game with his new team because he's still recovering from surgery that he had in April to repair a torn labrum in his hip. He says that he's still dealing with tightness and soreness and he has a "lot of work to do" before he returns to game action.

"I'm not confident about nothing but going day-to-day, the way I've been," Reed said when asked if he's confident that he'll play Sunday. "You can't be confident if you haven't been on the field."

Never mind that none of his former teammates actually believe that he'd miss an opportunity to play again in front of fans, who for more than a decade, cheered him loudly every time he got his hands near the football. Never mind that former Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis, his long-time teammate and close friend, will be at M&T Bank Stadium to be inducted into the team's Ring of Honor during a halftime ceremony. Never mind that Reed has been practicing for several weeks and his current coach, Gary Kubiak, said Wednesday that the nine-time Pro Bowl selection is as close to playing as he has been.

In the 10-plus minute conference call, Reed was at his mercurial best, talking more about "coaching" against the Ravens than playing against them — for whatever that's worth.

"Just looking at the whole team, it just looks a little different for me, especially being on this side of things," Reed said. "I was looking at it last night like, 'Wow, this is something that I'm really coaching against my boys.'"

Asked if he anticipated being emotional around 1 p.m. Sunday, Reed said "not at all," comparing it to all the games that he played against the Indianapolis Colts and their standout wide receiver Reggie Wayne, who was his former roommate at the University of Miami.

"It's like playing against your brothers again, while I'm out there coaching," Reed said. "I've been having this feeling for a long time. It's different being here and coming to see my guys, who I've been fighting with for a long time."

But his pending return certainly has stirred up plenty of emotions from his former teammates. Both quarterback Joe Flacco and wide receiver Torrey Smith, who compared Reed to a big brother, admitted that it will be weird to see him, potentially wearing the No.20 jersey of another team.THE REST OF THE STORY (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-ed-reed-0920-20130919,0,4503463.story#ixzz2fRTVPaIw)


I can very well understand his statement. And no one here should fault him for it. Must be a difficult situation for any player in his position.....and certainly one that would carry with it many mixed feelings.

Showtime100
09-20-2013, 09:51 AM
Good read. I certainly can understand his position and would be surprised if it were any different.

The only thing that would surprise me, though, is if it were just another away game for Reed. Sometimes you can't say it enough times to make it so.

revan
09-20-2013, 09:55 AM
We should understand. Thats their Andre Johnson, no matter where Ed Reed goes, he will be seen as a Raven. If Dre (god forbid) were to play for another team Im sure he would say and feel the same.

infantrycak
09-20-2013, 11:35 AM
I am mulling whether the Ravens are being chicken crap honoring Ray Lewis this week. It is awkward for Lewis and Reed. Don't see the reason for doing it this week other than making things awkward for Reed. Last week was their home opener.

DX-TEX
09-20-2013, 02:56 PM
Last night on Ch 11 News at 6 they had a soundbite from reed saying if he does play it would only be a limited snap count and not starting according to Kubiaks wishes but if it was up to Wade he would be out there the entire game.

Now today Kubiak says when Reed returns it will only be a as a starter.

Like I have been saying for months: Ed will play when Ed wants to play. Ed being Ed.

NCTexan
09-20-2013, 04:27 PM
I am mulling whether the Ravens are being chicken crap honoring Ray Lewis this week. It is awkward for Lewis and Reed. Don't see the reason for doing it this week other than making things awkward for Reed. Last week was their home opener.

I read this and saw it as a huge dick move by the Ravens.

CretorFrigg
09-20-2013, 04:38 PM
When I hear about Andre Johnson possibly missing games, I get a sense that the man wants to be back in the game. He does NOT want to sit on the bench while his teammates are out there playing.

Ed Reed, on the other hand, seems almost complacent. He appears satisfied just collecting a paycheck and sitting on the sidelines.

DX-TEX
09-20-2013, 04:49 PM
I read this and saw it as a huge dick move by the Ravens.

Reeds split up with the Ravens wasn't as nice as people have lead on. Great reason for him to do his thing. Don't think for a minute he doesn't want to go out there and humiliate Flacco

CloakNNNdagger
09-20-2013, 05:10 PM
Reeds split up with the Ravens wasn't as nice as people have lead on. Great reason for him to do his thing. Don't think for a minute he doesn't want to go out there and humiliate Flacco

I doubt that he would want this to be his swan dive either.

handswarmer
09-22-2013, 11:43 AM
I am mulling whether the Ravens are being chicken crap honoring Ray Lewis this week. It is awkward for Lewis and Reed. Don't see the reason for doing it this week other than making things awkward for Reed. Last week was their home opener.

The Ravens had to work around Ray's ESPN schedule and his son's football schedule- this game worked out the best for all parties.

had nothing to do with Ed Reed.