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Playoffs
06-03-2013, 10:40 AM
Jim Kelly announces that he has cancer (http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-2/Jim-Kelly-announces-that-he-has-cancer/23b30e99-a91e-43c3-b04e-0538768a5e7f)

On the day when Jim Kelly gathers together friends, former teammates, local and national celebrities for the cause named after his late son, the Buffalo Bills Hall of Fame quarterback announced that he has cancer.

Kelly issued a statement (http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-2/A-statement-from-Jim-Kelly/931d9214-0f2b-435d-a068-28c07a98ade7) Monday morning, the same day his 27th annual golf tournament kicked off to benefit his Hunter’s Hope Foundation and other pediatric causes. The former quarterback was diagnosed with bone cancer in his jaw. He’s scheduled to have surgery this Friday.

“This past couple of weeks has been difficult for me,” Kelly said in his statement. “I was recently diagnosed with Squamous-cell carcinoma of the upper jaw bone.”

The good news is after a recent examination it was discovered that the cancer has not spread.

“I have undergone tests which have shown that the cancer is isolated to my upper jaw and has not spread to other parts of my body. Doctors have told me that the prognosis for my recovery is very good.”
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For all cases of bone cancer combined the five-year survival rate is 70 percent according to the American Cancer Society.
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Speedy
06-03-2013, 11:20 AM
Sad to hear. Always been a big fan of JK.

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/jpeg/4f335ef14a947a3df64e54dd451612c55947646.jpg

thunderkyss
06-03-2013, 11:28 AM
Poor guy, wouldn't wish that on anybody

Sad to hear. Always been a big fan of JK.


Me too. Loved watching him play. Loved it when he was inducted to the HOF.

Lucky
06-03-2013, 11:33 AM
Hope he beats it. IMO, Kelly is the best QB in Houston pro football history.

CloakNNNdagger
06-03-2013, 11:51 AM
Jim Kelly announces that he has cancer (http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-2/Jim-Kelly-announces-that-he-has-cancer/23b30e99-a91e-43c3-b04e-0538768a5e7f)

The overall 5-year survival rate for this particular cancer is reported as ~60-70%; the recurrence rate is 33%. Approximately 50% of these cancers are not picked up prior to advanced stages....so that apparently is a good thing in Kelly's case. If they have found no formal metastasis (spread to other parts of the body), the main question for accurate prognosis will come if following the surgery, the removed segment shows margins that are free of tumor. Patients found to have any none-free resection margins tend to die within 5 years, most within the 1st year. Furthermore, if there is involvement is of the upper jaw sinus (maxillary [cheek] sinus), the prognosis tends to fall to less than 1/2 in all categories. Hopefully, the cancer does not involve the sinus, nor does it lend itself to findings upon final pathology report of non-free margins (left behind cancer) non-resectable cancer.

As a reconstructive surgeon, I have performed my share of maxillary cancer reconstructions. As cure is the goal, radical excision is the rule, with reconstruction typically far from a non-formidable undertaking for both the surgeon and the patient. My prayers go out to Kelly that there are no surprises for the man who I had the privilege of knowing back in the day of the Gamblers.

b0ng
06-03-2013, 11:58 AM
Here's to hoping that Kelly can finally beat something.

eriadoc
06-03-2013, 11:59 AM
Crossing my fingers for him. I will always have fond memories of the Gamblers.

Playoffs
06-03-2013, 12:25 PM
...My prayers go out to Kelly that there are no surprises for the man who I had the privilege of knowing back in the day of the Gamblers.

And mine, Doc .... and mine. Thanks.

CloakNNNdagger
06-03-2013, 01:20 PM
The most common causative agents of oral cancers are found in tobacco and alcohol. Anyone remember Nick Buoniconti. He got his law degree during his years with the Patriots and became a practicing attorney for a short while. What most of you don't know is that he served as president of the US Tobacco Company during the late 1970s and early 1980s and was a leading critic of studies which showed that smokeless tobacco caused cancer of the mouth as well as other types of cancer. Now, there is no doubt of the cause and effect. However, during those years, he spoke widely to his football brethren debunking this cause and effect obvious relationship, and encouraged them to the positives of engaging in snuff..........to the point that free sample were distributed by him gratuitously to teams and players of the era. Thank you, Nick.

BTW, 40% of head and neck cancers have been found to be associated with Human Papilloma Virus (HPV), the same virus that has been associated with female cervix cancer. In fact, coincidentally, 2 weeks ago, there was a landmark Australian study that identified Head and Neck cancers, including esophageal cancer as an "epidemic" problem specifically in white males who have engaged in oral sex with multiple partners.

Playoffs
06-03-2013, 03:33 PM
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BTW, 40% of head and neck cancers have been found to be associated with Human Papilloma Virus (HPV), the same virus that has been associated with female cervix cancer. In fact, coincidentally, 2 weeks ago, there was a landmark Australian study that identified Head and Neck cancers, including esophageal cancer as an "epidemic" problem specifically in white males who have engaged in oral sex with multiple partners.

So there is some truth to this ... ?

Oral sex and throat cancer: Michael Douglas HPV report spotlights "epidemic" (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57587350/oral-sex-and-throat-cancer-michael-douglas-hpv-report-spotlights-epidemic/)

Michael Douglas's announcement that his throat cancer was caused by human papillomavirus, a sexually transmitted disease, has raised awareness about a men's health trend doctors have been alarmed about for years.
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"... without wanting to get too specific, this particular cancer is caused by HPV, which actually comes about from cunnilingus," Douglas told the paper... it's a sexually transmitted disease that causes cancer."

Lucky
06-03-2013, 04:12 PM
BTW, 40% of head and neck cancers have been found to be associated with Human Papilloma Virus (HPV), the same virus that has been associated with female cervix cancer.
That's frightening. Can you be tested for the virus?

CloakNNNdagger
06-03-2013, 04:59 PM
That's frightening. Can you be tested for the virus?

HPV is not carried in the blood or fluids, making it impossible to really "screen" for. HPV is usually diagnosed after lesions are caused. An extremely expensive HPV DNA testing can only be performed for identification after suspected abnormal tissue sample is submitted as in the case of PAP smear. It is therefore seldom used even after abnormal tissue has already been identified. There is an HPV test available which can test for the presence of a number of strains of HPV. This is not a test for cancer. HPV tests are available in Australia but are only subsidised by the government in a limited number of cases. Because most HPV infections usually resolve naturally, and there is no cure, there is little reason to have an HPV test.

Virtually all of us will have had HPV by the age of 30. Approximately 90-95% of us will have cleared it through our own immune system within 2 years. It is the 5-10% that will act as a "Typhoid Mary" and spread the joy. To date, there is no "cure" for HPV. And now, it is not entirely agreed upon whether the virus is completely eliminated or reduced to undetectable levels in the 90-95% group, and it is difficult to know when it is contagious.........and, therefore you can never be sure that you are no longer at risk. Lastly, condoms aren't truly protected because the genitalia are not entirely covered......and oral male to genital female is obviously totally unprotected.

That is why there is a push to vaccinate young girls.........and now even discussion for the same in young boys. To add a little more scare to the picture, 30 percent of cancers originate from HPV strains not covered by the vaccine. Who knows, if we don't choose this approach (or even if we do), it may force us into going back to the dark ages when no man wanted a lady that wasn't a virgin !

Cjeremy635
06-03-2013, 10:18 PM
HPV is not carried in the blood or fluids, making it impossible to really "screen" for. HPV is usually diagnosed after lesions are caused. An extremely expensive HPV DNA testing can only be performed for identification after suspected abnormal tissue sample is submitted as in the case of PAP smear. It is therefore seldom used even after abnormal tissue has already been identified. There is an HPV test available which can test for the presence of a number of strains of HPV. This is not a test for cancer. HPV tests are available in Australia but are only subsidised by the government in a limited number of cases. Because most HPV infections usually resolve naturally, and there is no cure, there is little reason to have an HPV test.

Virtually all of us will have had HPV by the age of 30. Approximately 90-95% of us will have cleared it through our own immune system within 2 years. It is the 5-10% that will act as a "Typhoid Mary" and spread the joy. To date, there is no "cure" for HPV. And now, it is not entirely agreed upon whether the virus is completely eliminated or reduced to undetectable levels in the 90-95% group, and it is difficult to know when it is contagious.........and, therefore you can never be sure that you are no longer at risk. Lastly, condoms aren't truly protected because the genitalia are not entirely covered......and oral male to genital female is obviously totally unprotected.

That is why there is a push to vaccinate young girls.........and now even discussion for the same in young boys. To add a little more scare to the picture, 30 percent of cancers originate from HPV strains not covered by the vaccine. Who knows, if we don't choose this approach (or even if we do), it may force us into going back to the dark ages when no man wanted a lady that wasn't a virgin !

Hmmm...maybe those BDSM freaks in full on body or facial latex are on to something. Technically it's like a full body condom. If that becomes mainstream, then I'll just hang an "out of order" tag on my tongue. I'm way too claustrophobic for a body condom. Lol.

CloakNNNdagger
06-09-2013, 11:43 AM
Jim Kelly had 'major cyst,' teeth removed earlier this year (http://blogs.buffalonews.com/press-coverage/2013/06/jim-kelly-had-major-cyst-teeth-removed-earlier-this-year.html?ref=bsh)


June 3, 2013 - 11:20 AM


By Tim Graham

Jim Kelly revealed to an Illinois newspaper nearly three months ago a "major cyst" was removed from his mouth and teeth needed to be extracted this year.

Kelly announced this morning he has cancer in his upper jaw. At an appearance in March for the Central Illinois Fellowship of Christian Athletes, the Hall of Fame quarterback gave Jim Ruppert of the State Journal-Register a rundown of recent medical issues and mentioned the earlier mouth operation.

"I've had four major surgeries in the last two years," Kelly said. "Major back surgery, plates and screws in my back two years ago. Five months after that double-hernia surgery. Then 12/12/12 at 12 o'clock I had major neck surgery, where they had to replace three disks in my neck and put a plate and six screws in my neck.

"And then a week and a half ago they found a major cyst from my gums to my nasal cavity, and they had to cut that out -- the size of a nickel -- and they had to pull out all of my front teeth."

I found this more detailed bit of information, that was not revealed in most other reports. This was a cancer that involved the gingiva (gums) and the maxillary sinus. It evidently was not recognized for over 3 months. I am now not surprised that now the surgeons carefully word their prognosis as "We expect a successful OUTCOME" or "We expect a successful RECOVERY" or "The prognosis for RECOVERY is very good" instead of "We expect or are hopeful of a CURE." The reason is very easily explained by the fact that in cases as described for Kelly, even after not initially detecting spread to the neck lymph nodes, ~80% will have developed such now "detectable" spread within 18 months. This is a factor which would significantly worsen the prognosis. I would be very surprised if post operative chemotherapy and/or possible radical neck dissection is not being contemplated. Some would even consider adjunct radiation therapy.

As Thunderkyss aptly put it, I "wouldn't wish that on anybody."

EDIT ADDITION: The story gets even worse with the information from this other source. Evidently, delayed diagnosis was not 3 months, but ~6 months, with the initial thinking that it was simply an infection.

Kelly’s diagnosis stems from pain he began experiencing in his jaw in December. He initially thought it was an infection, but grew concerned when antibiotics failed to help.

Tests eventually led to doctors removing a nickel-sized cyst from his gums and nasal cavity during an operation in early March. Follow-up tests revealed the cancer.link (http://nesn.com/2013/06/jim-kelly-resting-comfortably-after-surgery-to-remove-cancer-from-upper-jaw/)

CloakNNNdagger
03-14-2014, 04:34 PM
Unfortunately, Kelly's cancer has recurred.

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/jim-kellys-cancer-is-back-20140314

Showtime100
03-14-2014, 04:40 PM
Damn. I met him once. At that bar on or near Richmond where all those NY Mets got in trouble (name anyone?). I walked away a bigger fan after the encounter than before I met him. He was a heck of a nice guy.

My thoughts and prayers go out to Jim and the Kelly family.

Heath Shuler
03-14-2014, 05:09 PM
Damn. I met him once. At that bar on or near Richmond where all those NY Mets got in trouble (name anyone?).

Cooter's, I think.

I've always liked him. He spoke at our high school football banquet; nice guy.

Showtime100
03-14-2014, 05:18 PM
Cooter's, I think.

I've always liked him. He spoke at our high school football banquet; nice guy.

Cooters! Yeah, thanks Heath. :)

Thorn
03-14-2014, 06:02 PM
Unfortunately, Kelly's cancer has recurred.

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/jim-kellys-cancer-is-back-20140314

I wish him nothing but luck in beating this.

CloakNNNdagger
03-14-2014, 06:40 PM
I wish him nothing but luck in beating this.

Based on the information that I was able to determine at the original time of posting (see previous posts), along with my surgical experience with this type of cancer, without any unknown extenuating circumstances, 6 months may be a generous estimate of survival following recurrence.

With that said, my prayers go out to Jim and his family for an exceptional outcome.

Heath Shuler
03-23-2014, 01:53 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjaUkDyCUAEMLsx.jpg

Nitrofish
03-23-2014, 06:29 PM
Very sad news. Loved watching Jim Kelly play. He was one tough hombre when he was playing, let's hope that helps him in this fight. Best wishes Jim!

CloakNNNdagger
03-24-2014, 12:19 PM
Very sad news. Loved watching Jim Kelly play. He was one tough hombre when he was playing, let's hope that helps him in this fight. Best wishes Jim!

During the Gamblers' era, Kelly's girlfriend was my receptionist. Met him on several occasions. Unbelievably good person........down to earth......not caught up in the fame.........or himself.

Nitrofish
03-24-2014, 02:08 PM
During the Gamblers' era, Kelly's girlfriend was my receptionist. Met him on several occasions. Unbelievably good person........down to earth......not caught up in the fame.........or himself.

Yea I have heard many say that, and you can hear it when he did interviews. Is there are discussion as what caused the cancer? Was he a tobacco user after the NFL, or just runs in the family. Upper Jaw cancer seems like a rare thing, but then I do not really know. I hope he beats it!

CloakNNNdagger
03-25-2014, 08:21 AM
Yea I have heard many say that, and you can hear it when he did interviews. Is there are discussion as what caused the cancer? Was he a tobacco user after the NFL, or just runs in the family. Upper Jaw cancer seems like a rare thing, but then I do not really know. I hope he beats it!

Kelly was NOT a tobacco user and he was NOT a drinker. With a non-smoking and non-drinking history, the most likely source would be a history of oral sex somewhere in his past with someone infected with human papilloma virus [HPV] ala Michael Douglas (the latency period of this process......time of exposure to time of developing cancer usually runs ~30-40 years.......). To understand Kelly's cancer and its course, prognosis and relationship to HPV, you may want to review my previous posts (ranging from #1-#14) in this thread. Scarey...... but, just like HPV-to-female cervical cancer connection, today a very well-established pathologic HPV infection-to-cancer relationship.

CloakNNNdagger
03-25-2014, 08:34 AM
Jim Kelly's Cancer Recurrence Is "Aggressive" And Will Require Surgeryhttp://deadspin.com/jim-kellys-cancer-recurrence-is-aggressive-and-will-1550923394

Bills Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly will undergo surgery on Thursday at New York's Lenox Hill Hospital for a recurrence of oral cancer that required removal of part of his jaw and teeth last summer. A family friend said Kelly is weak and "in bad shape."


The Kelly family has since said that the cancer has spread and that it is aggressive. They are asking fans and all of Western New York for prayers as Jim continues his battle.

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[Family friend Dennis] DiPaolo says former Buffalo Bills quarterback is in a lot of pain, but he adds that isn't stopping Kelly from keeping his spirits up.

Last week, former teammates Thurman Thomas, Bruce Smith, and Andre Reed visited Kelly in his home after the news of the recurrence was announced. He was later hospitalized at Erie County Medical Center in Buffalo where he was said to be in "tremendous" pain.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--LDdmkJmS--/t_ku-xlarge2/j05n6pi1q5ld1zqfmmj8.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
03-25-2014, 08:39 AM
Jim Kelly and his family are in New York City as the Hall of Fame quarterback is preparing to undergo surgery for his cancer recurrence.

Kelly is said to be weak and “in bad shape.” He’s been in and out of hospitals for the past 10 days, but News 4 has learned that Kelly is scheduled to have surgery at Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan on Thursday because doctors wanted to see him immediately.

Dennis DiPaolo, co-owner of Ilio DiPaolo’s restaurant and a close friend of the Kelly family, said, “He is the specialist. I believe he’s like one of the top five in the world to perform the surgery. Needless to say, the community all says, ‘You know what, he’s the main guy, go to him.” So the whole Western New York community from Roswell Park, to ECMC, all the people say, “Jim, whatever you need, we’re here for you.” And needless to say, the rehab’s going to be very difficult.”

On Sunday, Jill Kelly posted a photo of the family in the hospital watching the Sunday service at the Chapel at Crosspoint online. She said she was “overwhelmed and humbled to watch Pastor Jerry and our congregation family kneel in prayer for our family…to be prayed for by name. We were on our knees too and our nurse asked if she could join us in prayer…and she did.”

Kelly had part of his jaw and teeth removed in June 2013, when oral cancer was originally found. Earlier this month, doctors at ECMC reported Kelly has had a cancer recurrence. The Kelly family has since said that the cancer has spread and that it is aggressive. They are asking fans and all of Western New York for prayers as Jim continues his battle.

The news of Jim Kelly’s upcoming surgery comes days after friends said Kelly was at ECMC for treatment. DiPaolo says former Buffalo Bills quarterback is in a lot of pain, but he adds that isn’t stopping Kelly from keeping his spirits up.

“He’s like come on, don’t hang your heads. Like you walk in the room and he’s in a huddle and still commanding everyone and even if he’s trying to rest his eyes, he knows you’re there and he goes, ‘Thanks for coming you guys.’ He’s just a remarkable individual,” DiPaolo said.

Thurman Thomas, Bruce Smith and Andre Reed went to visit Jim Kelly on Friday at his home. The visit had him smiling and laughing, according to his daughter Erin’s Twitter page.

“The outpouring of love has been such an uplifting feeling for him that it’s really given him strength to go on and he’s really excited. He says, “Boy, we’re going to have a celebration when I’m done with this.” And hopefully this is the touchdown play to get him home,” DiPaolo said.link (http://wivb.com/2014/03/24/source-jim-kelly-in-nyc-for-surgery/)

As I've posted before, although we all will try to remain hopeful, prognosis is sadly dismal.

eriadoc
03-25-2014, 10:45 AM
I hate this thread.

steelbtexan
03-25-2014, 10:55 AM
I hate this thread.

Me too

CloakNNNdagger
03-26-2014, 06:09 PM
With his dad.

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1.0-9/s403x403/10012609_10152798372771165_1541858373_n.jpg



Jim Kelly will have chemotherapy and radiation, not surgery

Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly’s doctors have told him surgery is not the best option for his oral cancer.

Kelly, whose family had previously announced that his surgery was scheduled for Thursday, will instead have chemotherapy and radiation therapy. His wife, Jill Kelly, provided an update on Facebook.

“There’s been a lot that has been said so we thought it would be best to clarify,” Jill Kelly wrote. “At this point and time surgery is not the best option for Jim. Because of complexity and aggressive nature of this cancer and after more scans and tests, the plan has changed. At this point, Jim will not be having surgery. The cancer is in areas that surgery cannot successfully eradicate. Therefore, the medical specialists here in NYC along with our Buffalo team believe that chemotherapy and radiation are the best option.”link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/26/jim-kelly-will-have-chemotherapy-and-radiation-not-surgery/)


Remembering that there was very significant time delay in the diagnosis and primary treatment of his cancer, combined with the fact the prognosis of this type of cancer was already far from satisfactory, and along with the fact that a more deforming but more thorough radical lymph node neck dissection surgery and/or other co-treatments (radiation/chemo) were not chosen to be performed at the same time, this recurrence is even less surprising. Unfortunately, this tells me what I had originally believed would be the case before "surgery" was surprisingly just recently announced as the treatment he would undergo for the recurrence. His recurrence/spread is now obviously beyond the reasonable scope of scalpel removal. The chemotherapy and radiation therapy must now be considered a desperation salvage approach in hopes of palliation and improved quality of life.

steelbtexan
03-26-2014, 08:06 PM
With his dad.

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1.0-9/s403x403/10012609_10152798372771165_1541858373_n.jpg

link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/26/jim-kelly-will-have-chemotherapy-and-radiation-not-surgery/)


Remembering that there was very significant time delay in the diagnosis and primary treatment of his cancer, combined with the fact the prognosis of this type of cancer was already far from satisfactory, and along with the fact that a more deforming but more thorough radical lymph node neck dissection surgery and/or other co-treatments (radiation/chemo) were not chosen to be performed at the same time, this recurrence is even less surprising. Unfortunately, this tells me what I had originally believed would be the case before "surgery" was surprisingly just recently announced as the treatment he would undergo for the recurrence. His recurrence/spread is now obviously beyond the reasonable scope of scalpel removal. The chemotherapy and radiation therapy must now be considered a desperation salvage approach in hopes of palliation and improved quality of life.

Very sad

Terrible news

eriadoc
03-26-2014, 11:18 PM
Well, you're just full of sunshine and rainbows, CnD!

Wolf6151
03-26-2014, 11:50 PM
Prayers for Jim Kelly and his family. I've always thought of him as one of the really good guys in the NFL and hate to hear this bad news. I sure hope that he hears all the well wishes, prayers, and thoughts for him.

CloakNNNdagger
03-27-2014, 08:34 AM
Well, you're just full of sunshine and rainbows, CnD!

I understand how you and many others may feel. I actually share your feelings. It's much more difficult in discouraging situations like this when you have to relate such honest information directly to patients and their families.......although you must. Despite the fact that you want to hold out some hope, you can never become the carrier of misguided sunshine and rainbows.

eriadoc
03-27-2014, 10:06 AM
I understand how you and many others may feel. I actually share your feelings. It's much more difficult in discouraging situations like this when you have to relate such honest information directly to patients and their families.......although you must. Despite the fact that you want to hold out some hope, you can never become the carrier of misguided sunshine and rainbows.

Heh, I know. I'm just teasing you a little. Always appreciate the insight and candor.

CloakNNNdagger
04-01-2014, 08:23 AM
Fever postpones Jim Kelly's cancer treatments until next week (http://bills.buffalonews.com/2014/03/31/fever-postpones-jim-kellys-cancer-treatments-next-week/)

By Tim Graham

Monday, March 31, 2014 9:23 PM


Jim Kelly never has been accused of being delicate.

Kelly's health, however, is fragile enough that a fever delayed his cancer treatments until next week.

Five days after Kelly learned surgery wasn't a current option to treat the cancer spreading inside his head, today's scheduled start for chemotherapy was postponed.

Doctors decided to push back Kelly's treatments because the legendary Buffalo Bills quarterback's temperature was up, and he needed an antibiotic.

"He's had a couple setbacks," his brother, Dan Kelly, told me tonight. "It's always this or that. We have to make sure Jim doesn't get sick leading into this."

Dan Kelly said Jim is now "locked and loaded" for treatments to begin next Monday at Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan. Dan Kelly added the accelerated regimen of intense radiation and chemotherapy will last seven weeks.

"They have his pain pretty much under control," Dan Kelly said, "and that's been hurting all of us, just seeing him in so much pain.

"They have some of the best pain-management doctors here I've ever seen. Jim is comfortable now, and that's the most important thing."

When recurrence occurs in oral cancers which include bone, it is not unusual that necrotic (dead) tissue creates an infected draining wound. Since the tissue is not alive and thus by definition does not have blood supply to the area, natural antibodies cannot reach the infected tissue to fight the source of the infection........nor can antibiotics. So, the infection tends to spread throughout the body through surrounding blood supply that is still intact to the rest of the body...........causing fever. This systemic spread of bacteria must be controlled , as this overtly infected tissue if left unchecked will continue to deliver even more concentrated loads of bacteria to the rest of the body, very possibly leading to overwhelming infection, septic shock and death. Kelly doctors are trying to control the systemic effects of the bacteria now, in preparation of the anticipated chemotherapy and radiation therapy, because both of these therapies can be expected to severely depress the body's own natural immunologic protections which must be functioning effectively to even allow antibiotics to work effectively.........Not controlling the infection in addition to subsequently further severely compromising the immune system is a formula that would inevitably lead to overwhelming infection, septic shock and death.

You would normally want to surgically remove the infection source of nonviable bone and other tissues, but in this case, surgery would most likely further spread the infection and cancer when cut through, and very likely leading to a wound which would be unlikely to ever heal........making this a total non-option.

Not that he couldn't overcome these very difficult challenges, but Kelly's situation is not very promising.....much less so with this recent turn of events, since it delays his definitive cancer treatment for a cancer that would already afford a short-term survival.

CloakNNNdagger
04-01-2014, 09:46 AM
Here is a very in-depth article about Kelly, his canceer plight, his family, his faith........sad, but very heart-warming.

Jim Kelly Tough (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/03/31/jim-kelly-cancer-monday-morning-quarterback/?two-bills-drive)

Porky
04-03-2014, 04:08 PM
I've been avoiding this thread like the plague. Sometimes you just don't want to see bad news. Jim Kelly was one of my hero's back in the day. Not only because of his exploits on the field - but even more for the role model he was off of it. This breaks my heart. Thoughts and prayers for Jim Kelly.

And if we can get real for a second and sorry in advance for the sex talk but this is important - Doc, you mentioned this has likely causation with oral sex with a female. I would venture to guess most of us have done that on multiple occasions. Not me of course, but I'm asking for a friend lol. What is the risk of getting this kind of cancer from performing oral sex on a female? Is it a very low thing or should "my friend" be worried. :thinking:

CloakNNNdagger
04-03-2014, 04:45 PM
I've been avoiding this thread like the plague. Sometimes you just don't want to see bad news. Jim Kelly was one of my hero's back in the day. Not only because of his exploits on the field - but even more for the role model he was off of it. This breaks my heart. Thoughts and prayers for Jim Kelly.

And if we can get real for a second and sorry in advance for the sex talk but this is important - Doc, you mentioned this has likely causation with oral sex with a female. I would venture to guess most of us have done that on multiple occasions. Not me of course, but I'm asking for a friend lol. What is the risk of getting this kind of cancer from performing oral sex on a female? Is it a very low thing or should "my friend" be worried. :thinking:

Scooter,

Rather than pulling a complicated medical literature resource, I tried to find an article that would be readable and comprehensible to your friend. This should answer his questions.

Can oral sex give you cancer? (http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/STIs/Pages/oral-sex-and-cancer.aspx)


Add to the article........newly discovered esophageal cancer link, which also makes sense since the swallowing tube is an extension of the oral cavity. People with the HPV virus had a threefold increased risk of developing esophageal cancer than those not infected, according to a study led by researchers at the University of New South Wales in Australia.

Keep in mind, the reason that HPV-associated oral and esophageal cancers have notoriously had extremely poor prognosis is that you can't see the HPV virus. So, without special HPV testing of the remaining "normal" appearing tissues, you may believe that you've removed the grossly visible cancer, leaving behind only surrounding normal tissues. When in fact these normal looking tissues harbor the HPV virus which continues to infect and transform normal tissue to cancerous tissue........essentially accounting for such stubbornly common and virulent recurrences of these cancers.

Hope these answer your friend's questions.:)

ubecool454
04-06-2014, 07:38 AM
Suzzane Somers beat Cancer and she didn't go the Chemotherapy route. I do believe there are many other alternative therapies that one should look into. I hate the word Chemotherapy.

ubecool454
04-06-2014, 07:44 AM
Hope he beats it. IMO, Kelly is the best QB in Houston pro football history.

I liked him but Moon is still my man.

CloakNNNdagger
04-06-2014, 11:02 AM
Suzzane Somers beat Cancer and she didn't go the Chemotherapy route. I do believe there are many other alternative therapies that one should look into. I hate the word Chemotherapy.


I am very happy for Somer's outcome. She has at least brought attention to the importance of lifestyle (eg., nutrition and excercise). But for those not familiar with all the intricacies of breast cancer, her claims of cure being mainly attributed to her avoidance of chemotherapy and substituting the use "holistic" approaches are very disingenuous and misleading. She was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2001. She had a Stage II cancer diagnosis.............in her specific case, the tumor was confined to the breast, the tumor was ~3cms, and there was NO LYMPH NODE OR DISTANT METASTASIS. She had a lumpectomy to remove the tumor, followed by the maximum allowed radiation therapy to the remainder of her breast. Several of her holistic approaches just simply make natural substitutes for formal treatment (such as bio-edentical hormones for the commercially available hormones). But they have the same implications in the way they act and their risks.

Nonetheless, it is important to understand that if a patient with Stage II breast cancer is treated ONLY with lumpectomy (also referred to as "breast conservation therapy" or BCT) with radiation therapy to that breast, the 10-year breast-cancer-specific survival rates are ~94% for these patients.

Here is a link to the most up-to-date and largest study of patients with breast cancers like Somers.......and their prognosis..........published in January of this year in the Journal of the American Medical Association (Surgery). (http://archsurg.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1813803)

In summary, Somers did not require chemotherapy in order to effectively treat her cancer in the first place.

EDIT: I believe that it is important that people understand that Suzanne Somers reluctanctly admitted that she had a lumpectomy and radiation well after presenting the illusion that she had holistic treament or nutrional treatment to treat her cancer. As a surgeon who has at different phases of my career treated hundreds of breast cancer patients surgically for removal and for reconstruction, I feel that Somers has potentially harmed many breast cancer patients by directing them away from well-established, effective, proven treatments.

thunderkyss
04-08-2014, 08:51 AM
Have y'all seen these (http://www.theshirtlist.com/houston-gamblers-jim-kelly-t-shirt/)?


http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mX46QSPxmZjxovTeyPKFNAw.jpg


Too cool.

http://www.oursportscentral.com/usfl/images/kelly2.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
04-08-2014, 08:55 AM
Have y'all seen these (http://www.theshirtlist.com/houston-gamblers-jim-kelly-t-shirt/)?


http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mX46QSPxmZjxovTeyPKFNAw.jpg


Too cool.

http://www.oursportscentral.com/usfl/images/kelly2.jpg

Got one from the old Gamblers days!

CloakNNNdagger
04-08-2014, 09:00 AM
My apologies to Porky.......

I inadvertently addressed my response (post #39) to your question with the wrong name, i.e., to "Scooter."
My bad!

Porky
04-08-2014, 03:36 PM
My apologies to Porky.......

I inadvertently addressed my response (post #39) to your question with the wrong name, i.e., to "Scooter."
My bad!

no worries Dr! I appreciate you taking the time to address my concerns.

I've heard of apricot kernels being effective against cancer, and anything that makes the body more alkaline.

CloakNNNdagger
04-08-2014, 04:27 PM
no worries Dr! I appreciate you taking the time to address my concerns.

I've heard of apricot kernels being effective against cancer, and anything that makes the body more alkaline.

The latter is true.....cancer loves an inflammatory acid environment.

As far as the apricot kernels, beads and gords would be as effective. You may remember back in the 60s and early 70s, patients were going to Laitrile clinics in Mexico by the masses to fight every cancer under the sun. Laitrile was the name given to the apricot kernel treatment. Very few survived their cancers or their treatments. Very few people are unaffected by cyanide, which not only kills cancer cells, but also does a good job of killing normal cells. The main active ingredient in Laitrile, Cyanide, accounts for its main mechanism of active. It was given the disingenuous label of "vitamin B17" to sound completely benign.....you aren't afraid of vitamins, are you????:kitten:


Here is a recent piece from the National Cancer Institute Feb 2014 (http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/HealthProfessional/page6):


The side effects associated with laetrile treatment mirror the symptoms of cyanide poisoning. Cyanide is a neurotoxin that can cause nausea and vomiting, headache,[1] dizziness,[2,3] cyanosis (bluish discoloration of the skin resulting from oxygen-deprived hemoglobin in the blood), liver damage,[4,5] hypotension (abnormally low blood pressure),[1,6,7] ptosis (droopy upper eyelid),[8,9] ataxic neuropathies (difficulty walking caused by damaged nerves),[10] fever,[7,8] mental confusion, coma, and death.[6,11,12] Oral laetrile causes more severe side effects than injected laetrile. These side effects can be potentiated (increased) by the concurrent administration of raw almonds or crushed fruit pits, by eating fruits and vegetables that contain beta-glucosidase (e.g., celery, peaches, bean sprouts, carrots),[3,5,13-15] or by taking high doses of vitamin C.[1,5,16]

Bottom line, if you don't take in "enough," the cancer doesn't die............if you do take in "enough," YOU DIE!

CloakNNNdagger
04-09-2014, 08:40 PM
It appears that Kelly's infection has been contained. Therefore, his chemo/radiation treatment has been able to be started. Today, he has completed his first of three rounds of chemo.......over the next 6 weeks, he will complete the other two (three weeks apart) and undergo daily radiation treatments. After that, they will re-evaluated as to the need for surgery, if the other treatments have not been felt to control the cancer. I don't know that I would even consider surgery in an area that has already been scarified by previous surgery.....and whose blood supply has been further extremely compromised by radiation treatments............wound healing in such a case would be high risk for complications.........without likely changing the ultimate prognosis. Here's to seeing the miracle we're all praying for.

CloakNNNdagger
04-10-2014, 12:13 PM
Some additional facts I've dug up on Kelly's cancer. It appears that the cancer recurrence has been found to be attached to the carotid artery, and is traveling up the Trigeminal nerve. Both of these reflecting that the original surgery left behind cancer. As I've said before, it surprised me that right after the initial surgery, chemo and radiation as an adjunctive therapy were not performed to "clean up" any cancer that may have been left behind (rather than standing on the merits of surgery only (unrealistic for such an empirically aggressive cancer) waiting for an inevitable recurrence (which typically is even more aggressive) . The former structure (carotid artery) is the major blood supply to the face and one side of the brain......cancer invasion of major blood vessels can spread the cancer throughout the body through the blood system. The latter (Trigeminal nerve) is a major cranial sensory nerve that supplies the face......and originates in the brain. Any cancer closely attached to a nerve can spread (metastasize) along the totality of the nerve, in this case, directly to the brain. Since it is a sensory nerve, invasion by cancer, usually creates unbelievable non-relenting and almost impossible to control pain.....at least as severe as Shingles pain. As part of the cancer treatment, it will be hopeful that this pain will be relieved. However, the effects on the pain aspect of this treatment is not expected to take effect immediately. Patients usually respond within 4 to 6 weeks post-treatment. However, some patients require as much as 3 to 8 months for the full response. Most patients remain on full doses of "pain" medication for at least 3 months after treatment.

My heart goes out to Kelly going through what can only be described as Hell.

CloakNNNdagger
04-17-2014, 09:03 AM
As I mentioned above, with "treatment" directed towards the metastatic cancer involvement of major nerves, pain does not have immediate relief, and meanwhile the patient must be given heavy doses of tradition pain medications to affect it at all.....a very terrible process for anyone to have to endure. His family will be his best medicine over the Easter holiday.


Jim Kelly to spend weekend at home (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10792354/jim-kelly-return-home-resuming-cancer-treatment)
Updated: April 16, 2014, 7:28 PM ET

BUFFALO, N.Y. -- Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly is planning to spend this weekend celebrating Easter at home in suburban Buffalo with his family, before returning to New York City to resume treatments for sinus cancer.

Barring any setbacks, Kelly's brother said the former Bills star will travel home Friday before returning on Sunday to resume treatments.

"He's doing pretty good," Dan Kelly told The Associated Press on Wednesday. "We anticipate Jim coming home for this weekend. He's put together a couple of good days in a row."

Dan Kelly said his brother had a rough stretch last week following his first chemotherapy session on April 8. He said the treatments are particularly painful because they're targeting cancer cells attached to nerves in Kelly's maxillary sinus and adjacent tissues.

Kelly is scheduled to have two more chemotherapy sessions and is also having radiation treatment five days a week.

He has spent the past three weeks being treated at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York.

Vance87
04-17-2014, 01:16 PM
That's terrible. C'mon Jim, you can do it buddy.

toronto
04-17-2014, 10:09 PM
Some additional facts I've dug up on Kelly's cancer. It appears that the cancer recurrence has been found to be attached to the carotid artery, and is traveling up the Trigeminal nerve. Both of these reflecting that the original surgery left behind cancer. As I've said before, it surprised me that right after the initial surgery, chemo and radiation as an adjunctive therapy were not performed to "clean up" any cancer that may have been left behind (rather than standing on the merits of surgery only (unrealistic for such an empirically aggressive cancer) waiting for an inevitable recurrence (which typically is even more aggressive) . The former structure (carotid artery) is the major blood supply to the face and one side of the brain......cancer invasion of major blood vessels can spread the cancer throughout the body through the blood system. The latter (Trigeminal nerve) is a major cranial sensory nerve that supplies the face......and originates in the brain. Any cancer closely attached to a nerve can spread (metastasize) along the totality of the nerve, in this case, directly to the brain. Since it is a sensory nerve, invasion by cancer, usually creates unbelievable non-relenting and almost impossible to control pain.....at least as severe as Shingles pain. As part of the cancer treatment, it will be hopeful that this pain will be relieved. However, the effects on the pain aspect of this treatment is not expected to take effect immediately. Patients usually respond within 4 to 6 weeks post-treatment. However, some patients require as much as 3 to 8 months for the full response. Most patients remain on full doses of "pain" medication for at least 3 months after treatment.

My heart goes out to Kelly going through what can only be described as Hell.

I have often vowed and will be putting in my written will to not let me suffer like this, or what my uncle went through when he got stage 4 colorectal....prayers to the man...the pain he must be enduring is ungodly.