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rmartin65
05-30-2013, 08:27 AM
I figure most of you mockers have been thinking about the 2014 draft (as I have), so here is a thread for everyone to put their early 2014 mocks. I guess we could put them in separate threads, but these early mocks almost never lead to a ton of discussion, as they are more players to watch/identifying potential needs of the team, and thus it seems like a better idea to just throw them all in together.

I am working on a mock that I hope to have done today or tomorrow, but I am curious to see how it stacks up against your mocks!

Oh, one last thing (and I can't believe that I have to say this so often)- ***If you are not interested in the thread topic, then please don't participate. We know it is really freaking early and that boards will change dramatically. We know that we are not experts. We know that we we say here has absolutely zero impact on what the Texans will do. But let us have our fun. Don't be a d-bag.*** Thanks.

badboy
05-30-2013, 12:04 PM
1. QB David Fales San Jose St
2. ILB Andrew Jackson Western Kentucky
3. OLB Chaz Sutton S. Carolina (the other Clowney?)
4. DE/DT Taylor Hart Oregon
5. S Jacques Washington

Imagine after watching other teams such as Texas and Alabama this will change.

76Texan
05-30-2013, 12:15 PM
I figure most of you mockers have been thinking about the 2014 draft (as I have), so here is a thread for everyone to put their early 2014 mocks. I guess we could put them in separate threads, but these early mocks almost never lead to a ton of discussion, as they are more players to watch/identifying potential needs of the team, and thus it seems like a better idea to just throw them all in together.

I am working on a mock that I hope to have done today or tomorrow, but I am curious to see how it stacks up against your mocks!

Oh, one last thing (and I can't believe that I have to say this so often)- ***If you are not interested in the thread topic, then please don't participate. We know it is really freaking early and that boards will change dramatically. We know that we are not experts. We know that we we say here has absolutely zero impact on what the Texans will do. But let us have our fun. Don't be a d-bag.*** Thanks.
You don't have to worry.
I don't recall ever seeing TB in this part of the wood. :texanbill:

rmartin65
05-30-2013, 01:47 PM
1. QB David Fales San Jose St
2. ILB Andrew Jackson Western Kentucky
3. OLB Chaz Sutton S. Carolina (the other Clowney?)
4. DE/DT Taylor Hart Oregon
5. S Jacques Washington

Imagine after watching other teams such as Texas and Alabama this will change.

You like Fales in the first? I have him in the second right now, but agree that he could rise with another good season.

Huge fan of Jackson.

Sutton... I dont know a lot about him. I will make a note to keep an eye on him.

I like Hart as well, but only as a DE. I dont think he would be as effective playing NT. Definitely a player to watch.

I know nothing about Washington, but do we really need another safety?

Wolf6151
05-30-2013, 05:58 PM
@rmartin65, I'm glad you started this thread. I've been thinking the same thing since the draft. Thanks.

1. Loucheiz Purifoy-CB Florida, fills a need since JJo will get very expensive very soon and we only have him for 2 more years.
2. C.J. Fiedorowicz-TE Iowa, I'm thinking OD might be gone after next season.
3. Kelcey Quarles-DE S. Carolina, could easily go higher than the 3rd and Antonio Smith is a FA after next season.
4. Bruce Gaston-DT, Mitchell is a FA after next season as well and we don't have much of anything behind him.

I see positional needs at CB, TE, DE, DT, WR, and S.

badboy
05-31-2013, 12:49 PM
You like Fales in the first? I have him in the second right now, but agree that he could rise with another good season.

Huge fan of Jackson.

Sutton... I dont know a lot about him. I will make a note to keep an eye on him.

I like Hart as well, but only as a DE. I dont think he would be as effective playing NT. Definitely a player to watch.

I know nothing about Washington, but do we really need another safety?Actually have Fales rated top third but if he has a 2103 similar to 2011 he will be a bullet. Rob Rang has him going #23 Derek Carr # 29http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/big-board


Yeah buddy we need another safety for 2014. Grr! to replace Reed and draft pick in '14 to train one season behind Manning to replace him in 2015.

Edit: just noticed your mention of Hart. Agree with DE, to replace Smith if roster guys cannot. I do not see him as a NT either.

badboy
05-31-2013, 12:56 PM
@rmartin65, I'm glad you started this thread. I've been thinking the same thing since the draft. Thanks.

1. Loucheiz Purifoy-CB Florida, fills a need since JJo will get very expensive very soon and we only have him for 2 more years.
2. C.J. Fiedorowicz-TE Iowa, I'm thinking OD might be gone after next season.
3. Kelcey Quarles-DE S. Carolina, could easily go higher than the 3rd and Antonio Smith is a FA after next season.
4. Bruce Gaston-DT, Mitchell is a FA after next season as well and we don't have much of anything behind him.

I see positional needs at CB, TE, DE, DT, WR, and S.All reports from OTAs that Carmichael and Harris looking good and should be their break out season. Hopefully the only CB we would draft would be to switch to safety. Big fan of Fiedo and 3 Amigos chewed him up and spit him out leaving no stone unturned during our mock discussions. More of a OL type you can put next to the OT to supersize than an OD type. If we go TE and we definitely might, I see an OD type that is more of a big WR that can block.

rmartin65
05-31-2013, 01:58 PM
@rmartin65, I'm glad you started this thread. I've been thinking the same thing since the draft. Thanks.

1. Loucheiz Purifoy-CB Florida, fills a need since JJo will get very expensive very soon and we only have him for 2 more years.
2. C.J. Fiedorowicz-TE Iowa, I'm thinking OD might be gone after next season.
3. Kelcey Quarles-DE S. Carolina, could easily go higher than the 3rd and Antonio Smith is a FA after next season.
4. Bruce Gaston-DT, Mitchell is a FA after next season as well and we don't have much of anything behind him.

I see positional needs at CB, TE, DE, DT, WR, and S.

1) Like BB, I don't think CB is a need. Maybe things will change, but I have confidence in JJo and KJax, with Harris, Carmichael and McCain backing them up. I dont have a problem looking for a home run later in the draft, but I dont think spending a first is a good idea.

2) Love CJ! Excellent choice, IMO.

3&4) I dont know much about these guys, but I like upgrading the DL. I think NT is a must draft, as I dont think Mitchell will show us that he is a starting-caliber player. I might pick up the DE a little later though, as we do have Crick waiting in the wings, and Smith might be signed to a new deal soon.

Wolf6151
05-31-2013, 06:02 PM
1) Like BB, I don't think CB is a need. Maybe things will change, but I have confidence in JJo and KJax, with Harris, Carmichael and McCain backing them up. I dont have a problem looking for a home run later in the draft, but I dont think spending a first is a good idea.

2) Love CJ! Excellent choice, IMO.

3&4) I dont know much about these guys, but I like upgrading the DL. I think NT is a must draft, as I dont think Mitchell will show us that he is a starting-caliber player. I might pick up the DE a little later though, as we do have Crick waiting in the wings, and Smith might be signed to a new deal soon.



I disagree on the need at CB, but that's what this forum is all about. JJo is already the 2nd highest paid player in 2013 and only gets more expensive each year. His 2013 cap hit is 11.25 mil., and with Cushing a FA at the end of this season, a possible extension to Antonio, Earl Mitchell will also be a FA, and the team has to be thinking about and structuring the team for Watts next contract. Also I don't trust Kubiaks praise for players this time of year, we all know he pumps alot of sunshine this time of year.

If Antonio Smith does get extended then it would obviously affect our need at DE, but again a rookie is alot cheaper than a veteran and theirs a monster contract looming on the horizon (Watt) that this team has to start preparing for. I see our biggest needs in next years draft as being DE, CB, DT, WR depth, ILB depth, and S depth. I think next years draft will be very heavy on defense.

@BB, I like Andrew Jackson-ILB the player but I don't think he fits our 3-4 scheme. He looks to me like a 4-3 MLB stuffing the run, not a 3-4 ILB that quite often drops into pass coverage of TE's and RB's. Also with the NFL becoming more and more of a passing league each year, I think that old fashioned run stuffing ILB/MLB is becoming a thing of the past. The game is a changing.

infantrycak
05-31-2013, 06:24 PM
I disagree on the need at CB, but that's what this forum is all about. JJo is already the 2nd highest paid player in 2013 and only gets more expensive each year. His 2013 cap hit is 11.25 mil., and with Cushing a FA at the end of this season, a possible extension to Antonio, Earl Mitchell will also be a FA, and the team has to be thinking about and structuring the team for Watts next contract.

J.Jo's contract is about as flat as you get in the NFL. His cap hit is $11.25 for both 2013 & 2014 and then bumps marginally to $12.25 for 2015.

Wolf6151
05-31-2013, 09:44 PM
J.Jo's contract is about as flat as you get in the NFL. His cap hit is $11.25 for both 2013 & 2014 and then bumps marginally to $12.25 for 2015.

Yah, and that's alot of money considering Brown's new contract and Schaub's new contract will be kicking in this season as well and adding the new FA's (Cushing, A. Smith, and Mitchell). I just don't think an extension for A. Smith is a given, or JJo completeing his entire contract since the Texans will have to be finding money and preparing for the future. Also the CB in the 1st round is more about stocking up for the future, drafting them a year or so before they're needed and turning our secondary into a team strength with depth situation. For now I stand by my pick of a CB in the 1st, though I could also see a DE in the 1st next year as well if a team friendly contract extension can't be made with Antonio Smith.

aussie_texan
05-31-2013, 11:25 PM
what are your guys thoughts on A.Murray Georgia. Im quite the fan i think going back to school for this season was a great choice, hopefully he learns a lot and can improve his decision making.

Also the QB out of UNC could become a real riser this season any thoughts??

also adding onto the theme of ILB jackson. i would be ecstatic if we were to draft him, i would have taken him this year in the early to mid rounds but he could rise to become a 1st rounder

76Texan
06-01-2013, 10:30 AM
Renner?
He's not going to rise;
Everybody will just fall for him.

http://www.tarheelblog.com/2013/5/3/4296478/the-story-behind-the-fainting-goats-prank-on-bryn-renner

aussie_texan
06-01-2013, 10:03 PM
Renner?
He's not going to rise;
Everybody will just fall for him.

http://www.tarheelblog.com/2013/5/3/4296478/the-story-behind-the-fainting-goats-prank-on-bryn-renner

ahahaha i enjoyed that a lot

AngryNateFTW
06-01-2013, 10:30 PM
what are your guys thoughts on A.Murray Georgia. Im quite the fan i think going back to school for this season was a great choice, hopefully he learns a lot and can improve his decision making.

Also the QB out of UNC could become a real riser this season any thoughts??

also adding onto the theme of ILB jackson. i would be ecstatic if we were to draft him, i would have taken him this year in the early to mid rounds but he could rise to become a 1st rounder

I'd take Aaron Murray any day of the week.

Texan4Ever
06-03-2013, 02:58 PM
In no particular order, here's a list of guys I will be watching this upcoming season and my take on them:

1.) Jadeveon Clowney (DE): After watching him in the Bowl Game against Michigan (tough loss BTW), I finally understood the hype behind this guy. He has the speed and quickness off the edge a la Jason Taylor but is strong enough to go against almost an OT in the NCAA. Definitely a 1st round, Top 5 pick barring any injuries or drop in performance.

2.) Taylor Lewan (OT): He's a big, powerful OT that can absolutely dominate in the run game. Contrary to what people may say, he held his own against Clowney ad gave him a tough time (as for "The Play", it was not his blocking assignment).

3.) Jake Matthews (OT): A better pass-rush blocker than Lewan, he's an opening day starting left tackle IMO. Has strong bloodlines and is probably better than any of the tackles taken in the 2013 Draft.

4.) Marqise Lee (WR): His play on-the-field made Robert Woods take the back seat as he dominated as a Freshman and in subsequent seasons. A true #1 receiver who can stretch the field and make plays in the clutch.

5.) Louis Nix (DT): A big defensive linemen who will most likely play nose tackle given his size (6'3" 340-lbs). I expect some teams may reach for him, especially for those running a 3-4 system. Not a first round pick but may creep in there.


*****On The Bubble*****

Will Sutton (DT): Most likely a 4-3 UT, he's a guy that should be a first-round pick but may fall into the 2nd round. Just go over to YouTube and watch him play...he demands respect from opposing offensive linemen and has an amazing ability to get in the backfield and cause chaos. I look forward to seeing him play given that ASU will require more out of him this upcoming season.

htownfan32
06-07-2013, 04:32 PM
In no particular order, here's a list of guys I will be watching this upcoming season and my take on them:

1.) Jadeveon Clowney (DE): After watching him in the Bowl Game against Michigan (tough loss BTW), I finally understood the hype behind this guy. He has the speed and quickness off the edge a la Jason Taylor but is strong enough to go against almost an OT in the NCAA. Definitely a 1st round, Top 5 pick barring any injuries or drop in performance.

2.) Taylor Lewan (OT): He's a big, powerful OT that can absolutely dominate in the run game. Contrary to what people may say, he held his own against Clowney ad gave him a tough time (as for "The Play", it was not his blocking assignment).

3.) Jake Matthews (OT): A better pass-rush blocker than Lewan, he's an opening day starting left tackle IMO. Has strong bloodlines and is probably better than any of the tackles taken in the 2013 Draft.

4.) Marqise Lee (WR): His play on-the-field made Robert Woods take the back seat as he dominated as a Freshman and in subsequent seasons. A true #1 receiver who can stretch the field and make plays in the clutch.

5.) Louis Nix (DT): A big defensive linemen who will most likely play nose tackle given his size (6'3" 340-lbs). I expect some teams may reach for him, especially for those running a 3-4 system. Not a first round pick but may creep in there.


*****On The Bubble*****

Will Sutton (DT): Most likely a 4-3 UT, he's a guy that should be a first-round pick but may fall into the 2nd round. Just go over to YouTube and watch him play...he demands respect from opposing offensive linemen and has an amazing ability to get in the backfield and cause chaos. I look forward to seeing him play given that ASU will require more out of him this upcoming season.

There's a solid chance that Clowney goes #1 overall. I really like your number 5 - Nix. Definitely keeping an eye on him.

beerlover
09-29-2013, 11:49 AM
note: limited to Senior Class only

First Round: Aaron Murray, QB Georgia, 6010 215

It's time. Texans need a fiery leader in mold of a young Drew Brees. Makes up for his lack of size with intelligence, competitive nature, mobility, strong arm with quick release, accurate both long & short. He is not afraid to throw into tight windows, has played four years in SEC with improving results learning from his experience, he is now polished & poised ready to run an NFL offense.
http://www.holyturf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Aaron-Murray-ISM.jpg

Second Round: Justin Gilbert, CB Oklahoma State, 6000 200

Big, strong, physical cover corner with ideal NFL size. Competes for ball in the air, will challenge QB to throw @ him & shows excellent recovery speed. Good back peddle, fluid hips sub 4.5 long speed. Also outstanding special teams returner, holds Big- 12 record for 5 kickoff returns for touchdown.
http://www.draftbrowns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Justin-Gilbert.jpg

Third Round: CJ Fiedorowicz, TE Iowa, 6060 265

Big, physical inline blocker in mold of Mark Brunner, huge asset in pass pro will wall off pass rush. His low production & lack of targets in College may just drop his stock lower than it probably should be. Possess excellent hands, solid route runner, not explosive but very reliable & solid addition to Texan TE stable
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/127/files/2013/09/7639686.jpg

Fourth Round: Ryan Groy, OT/OG Wisconsin, 6050 318

OL talent/depth would compete with Quessenberry who is coming off a broken foot on IR. Wade Smith may also be gone so really need to address position no later than 4th rd. Love Badger linemen, very sound fundamentally, has ability to play multiple positions, good feet/speed ratio. Could start as rookie?
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/host.madison.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/a6/ca6387a8-1675-11e2-9daa-001a4bcf887a/507b7f4ac7d70.preview-300.jpg

Fifth Round: Devon Kennard, OLB/DE USC, 6030 255

Texans need to keep adding pass rushing talent finding a diamond in rough this late would be sweet. Kennard is third on the Trojans in tackles for loss & sacks. Red shirt last season with torn chest/pec injury, before that started for USC as middle LB so he could might be a candidate to kick back inside to ILB which I like on later round prospects that can plug & play another position of need. He made the 2009 ESPN.com Pac-10 All-Freshman first team and Sporting News Pac-10 All-Freshman first team. He won USC's John McKay Award. His farther Derek played 11 seasons in the NFL.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Devon+Kennard+USC+v+Arizona+State+jG-x0HbyzuKl.jpg

Sixth Round: Chris Davenport, NT Tulane, 6030 330

Highly recruited prep player who played three years for LSU. Very thankful to continue his education, articulate & a classic example of a young persons ability to make positive change in his life. Davenport may have been most known as one of the LSU players connected to the bar brawl prior to the start of the 2011 season involving then-starting quarterback Jordan Jefferson. Has prototypical size for a 3-4 nose. Run plugger up the middle with ceiling to return to form as one of nations top interior linemen.

Seventh Round: Brock Vereen, SS Minnesota, 6000 202

Another DB who is well coached, smart & productive (2nd most on team). Brother of New England RB Shane Vereen. Special teams gunner, durable, competitive. Someone to stash on PS or step up due to injury. Versatile safety who could play either FS or SS.

http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-football/files/2013/04/brock-vereen-jesse-johnson.jpg

htownfan32
09-29-2013, 04:59 PM
My Official **** Matt Schaub draft

QBs we could target in round 1.

http://media.culturemap.com/crop/92/6c/600x450/Johnny-Manziel-throw_065742.jpg
1). Johnny Manziel - He'll be where we're picking because we'll be picking somewhere between 12-18. I don't care what people say about his arm or his accuracy. Those are aspects Kubiak can and will improve. This guy wins. He's magic, wonderful, a video game player, whatever. He has grit and fire the likes of which this team has never seen under center. Should not start first year, however.


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/121212175940-aj-mccarron-p1-single-image-cut.jpg
2). AJ McCarron - Good passer, good intangibles, seems like a team leader. Doesn't have the arm to blow up any defense but he's got all the tools to be a good passer. Not immobile either. Certainly no Mariota/Manziel but won't just fall down in the pocket.



http://heismanpundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Aaron+Murray+Georgia+v+South+Carolina+oKReq9B-ekYl.jpg
3) Aaron Murray - Saturday September 28th's game against LSU. That is all.

WolverineFan
09-29-2013, 05:11 PM
note: limited to Senior Class only

First Round: Aaron Murray, QB Georgia, 6010 215

It's time. Texans need a fiery leader in mold of a young Drew Brees. Makes up for his lack of size with intelligence, competitive nature, mobility, strong arm with quick release, accurate both long & short. He is not afraid to throw into tight windows, has played four years in SEC with improving results learning from his experience, he is now polished & poised ready to run an NFL offense.
http://www.holyturf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Aaron-Murray-ISM.jpg

Second Round: Justin Gilbert, CB Oklahoma State, 6000 200

Big, strong, physical cover corner with ideal NFL size. Competes for ball in the air, will challenge QB to throw @ him & shows excellent recovery speed. Good back peddle, fluid hips sub 4.5 long speed. Also outstanding special teams returner, holds Big- 12 record for 5 kickoff returns for touchdown.
http://www.draftbrowns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Justin-Gilbert.jpg

Third Round: CJ Fiedorowicz, TE Iowa, 6060 265

Big, physical inline blocker in mold of Mark Brunner, huge asset in pass pro will wall off pass rush. His low production & lack of targets in College may just drop his stock lower than it probably should be. Possess excellent hands, solid route runner, not explosive but very reliable & solid addition to Texan TE stable
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/127/files/2013/09/7639686.jpg

Fourth Round: Ryan Groy, OT/OG Wisconsin, 6050 318

OL talent/depth would compete with Quessenberry who is coming off a broken foot on IR. Wade Smith may also be gone so really need to address position no later than 4th rd. Love Badger linemen, very sound fundamentally, has ability to play multiple positions, good feet/speed ratio. Could start as rookie?
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/host.madison.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/a6/ca6387a8-1675-11e2-9daa-001a4bcf887a/507b7f4ac7d70.preview-300.jpg

Fifth Round: Devon Kennard, OLB/DE USC, 6030 255

Texans need to keep adding pass rushing talent finding a diamond in rough this late would be sweet. Kennard is third on the Trojans in tackles for loss & sacks. Red shirt last season with torn chest/pec injury, before that started for USC as middle LB so he could might be a candidate to kick back inside to ILB which I like on later round prospects that can plug & play another position of need. He made the 2009 ESPN.com Pac-10 All-Freshman first team and Sporting News Pac-10 All-Freshman first team. He won USC's John McKay Award. His farther Derek played 11 seasons in the NFL.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Devon+Kennard+USC+v+Arizona+State+jG-x0HbyzuKl.jpg

Sixth Round: Chris Davenport, NT Tulane, 6030 330

Highly recruited prep player who played three years for LSU. Very thankful to continue his education, articulate & a classic example of a young persons ability to make positive change in his life. Davenport may have been most known as one of the LSU players connected to the bar brawl prior to the start of the 2011 season involving then-starting quarterback Jordan Jefferson. Has prototypical size for a 3-4 nose. Run plugger up the middle with ceiling to return to form as one of nations top interior linemen.

Seventh Round: Brock Vereen, SS Minnesota, 6000 202

Another DB who is well coached, smart & productive (2nd most on team). Brother of New England RB Shane Vereen. Special teams gunner, durable, competitive. Someone to stash on PS or step up due to injury. Versatile safety who could play either FS or SS.

http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-football/files/2013/04/brock-vereen-jesse-johnson.jpg


I love the Murray pick. He's be a top 15 prospect if he wasn't 6'0. I also agree that we need to seriously address the QB position. It's time.

Really like Gilbert and I agree that we need to address CB badly. It's the biggest liability on the defense.

I like Fiedorowicz, but I don't see the need at TE unless you think we don't re-sign Graham.

Not familiar with Groy, but we do need to address the OL because Smith is probably gone.

Like Kennard and agree we still need to address OLB, but he won't be here in the 5th. His stock will blow up this year.

Not familiar with Davenport but we do need to address the DL with so many FA's.

Big fan of Vereen's and we really need to address the Safety position. Our depth is awful.

rmartin65
09-29-2013, 05:52 PM
note: limited to Senior Class only

First Round: Aaron Murray, QB Georgia, 6010 215

It's time. Texans need a fiery leader in mold of a young Drew Brees. Makes up for his lack of size with intelligence, competitive nature, mobility, strong arm with quick release, accurate both long & short. He is not afraid to throw into tight windows, has played four years in SEC with improving results learning from his experience, he is now polished & poised ready to run an NFL offense.


Second Round: Justin Gilbert, CB Oklahoma State, 6000 200

Big, strong, physical cover corner with ideal NFL size. Competes for ball in the air, will challenge QB to throw @ him & shows excellent recovery speed. Good back peddle, fluid hips sub 4.5 long speed. Also outstanding special teams returner, holds Big- 12 record for 5 kickoff returns for touchdown.


Third Round: CJ Fiedorowicz, TE Iowa, 6060 265

Big, physical inline blocker in mold of Mark Brunner, huge asset in pass pro will wall off pass rush. His low production & lack of targets in College may just drop his stock lower than it probably should be. Possess excellent hands, solid route runner, not explosive but very reliable & solid addition to Texan TE stable


Fourth Round: Ryan Groy, OT/OG Wisconsin, 6050 318

OL talent/depth would compete with Quessenberry who is coming off a broken foot on IR. Wade Smith may also be gone so really need to address position no later than 4th rd. Love Badger linemen, very sound fundamentally, has ability to play multiple positions, good feet/speed ratio. Could start as rookie?


Fifth Round: Devon Kennard, OLB/DE USC, 6030 255

Texans need to keep adding pass rushing talent finding a diamond in rough this late would be sweet. Kennard is third on the Trojans in tackles for loss & sacks. Red shirt last season with torn chest/pec injury, before that started for USC as middle LB so he could might be a candidate to kick back inside to ILB which I like on later round prospects that can plug & play another position of need. He made the 2009 ESPN.com Pac-10 All-Freshman first team and Sporting News Pac-10 All-Freshman first team. He won USC's John McKay Award. His farther Derek played 11 seasons in the NFL.



Sixth Round: Chris Davenport, NT Tulane, 6030 330

Highly recruited prep player who played three years for LSU. Very thankful to continue his education, articulate & a classic example of a young persons ability to make positive change in his life. Davenport may have been most known as one of the LSU players connected to the bar brawl prior to the start of the 2011 season involving then-starting quarterback Jordan Jefferson. Has prototypical size for a 3-4 nose. Run plugger up the middle with ceiling to return to form as one of nations top interior linemen.

Seventh Round: Brock Vereen, SS Minnesota, 6000 202

[SIZE="3"]Another DB who is well coached, smart & productive (2nd most on team). Brother of New England RB Shane Vereen. Special teams gunner, durable, competitive. Someone to stash on PS or step up due to injury. Versatile safety who could play either FS or SS.


I would be very happy with this draft. A couple of things I would like to see changed, but, based off of what we know now, this looks like a very good draft.

Murray- We need a QB. Murray, while a little short, has a good arm, good mobility, and good football smarts. While he is not my first choice, I would still be excited about the pick.

Gilbert- Can't have too many CBs in today's NFL. Gibert has the size and speed and agility necessary to play at a high level. His ability to return kicks also helps quite a bit.

Fiedorowicz- Man, I hate saying this, but I don't think we need Fiedorowicz. I love him as a prospect, and think he will be really good in the NFL, but we already have OD and Graham. Furthermore, Griffin showed quite a bit of potential during the pre-season and TC. Like the player, but dislike the pick.

Groy- Can't say I know much about the guy, but I like the position. I will try to focus on him sometime.

Kennard- Again, I dont know much about the guy. We could use a pass-rusher though. Can't have too many of those, either.

Davenport- Another player I will try to watch.

Vereen- I like this pick a lot. Good call.

Rock N Randy
09-29-2013, 06:24 PM
Wow I would be very upset with that draft

I see a lot of Schaub with Murray

Murray is not a 1st RD pick too me that would be a waste now 3rd-4th RD ok but not 1st Rd

aussie_texan
09-29-2013, 11:56 PM
i have been really high on murray since last season but havnt seen the progression this year that i wanted. its still early so he has time to improve but im a little disappointed so far. that game against LSU shouldnt be used to say his improved the secondary play was terrible i could have throw a few TDs

beerlover
09-30-2013, 12:23 AM
i have been really high on murray since last season but havnt seen the progression this year that i wanted. its still early so he has time to improve but im a little disappointed so far. that game against LSU shouldnt be used to say his improved the secondary play was terrible i could have throw a few TDs

LSU typically fields some of the best db talent in the country, in other words they're stacked.

Here is what I see with Aaron Murray's progression - he has really worked hard in the film room & taken it on the field, very professional, workman like. He learns from his mistakes & does a better job defining his windows. arm strength is improved & he seems quicker with better mobility. Aaron Murray grasps the concept of being the teams field general both on & off the field, like Russell Wilson or Drew Brees - can will his team to victory :cool:

beerlover
09-30-2013, 12:26 AM
Wow I would be very upset with that draft

I see a lot of Schaub with Murray

Murray is not a 1st RD pick too me that would be a waste now 3rd-4th RD ok but not 1st Rd

really? nothing similar other than position between the two :slapfight:

beerlover
09-30-2013, 12:37 AM
I would be very happy with this draft. A couple of things I would like to see changed, but, based off of what we know now, this looks like a very good draft.

Murray- We need a QB. Murray, while a little short, has a good arm, good mobility, and good football smarts. While he is not my first choice, I would still be excited about the pick.

Gilbert- Can't have too many CBs in today's NFL. Gibert has the size and speed and agility necessary to play at a high level. His ability to return kicks also helps quite a bit.

Fiedorowicz- Man, I hate saying this, but I don't think we need Fiedorowicz. I love him as a prospect, and think he will be really good in the NFL, but we already have OD and Graham. Furthermore, Griffin showed quite a bit of potential during the pre-season and TC. Like the player, but dislike the pick.

Groy- Can't say I know much about the guy, but I like the position. I will try to focus on him sometime.

Kennard- Again, I dont know much about the guy. We could use a pass-rusher though. Can't have too many of those, either.

Davenport- Another player I will try to watch.

Vereen- I like this pick a lot. Good call.

thanks, 65. let this one ferment & grow a little on you :vinny:

aussie_texan
09-30-2013, 12:46 AM
LSU typically fields some of the best db talent in the country, in other words they're stacked.

Here is what I see with Aaron Murray's progression - he has really worked hard in the film room & taken it on the field, very professional, workman like. He learns from his mistakes & does a better job defining his windows. arm strength is improved & he seems quicker with better mobility. Aaron Murray grasps the concept of being the teams field general both on & off the field, like Russell Wilson or Drew Brees - can will his team to victory :cool:

not saying they dont have good prospects but in that game coverage was woeful

coon
09-30-2013, 12:54 AM
I thought Mettenburger looked better than Murray.

steelbtexan
09-30-2013, 02:14 AM
The Texans need to find out what they already have at QB on the roster. Not saying I'm against drafting a QB in Rds 1-2, but they need to find out what they've got in Yates/Keenum.

Like your mock BTW, I rate OT/Pass rushing OLB higher on the needs list.

I haven't gotten into studying the 2014 draft to much yet, but If the Texans solved their pass rushing woes Van Noy and OT Ogbuehi in rds 1-2, even if they had to trade up to the top part of Rd 2 to get my OT, I would be happy with that draft.

QB comes 1st though if Yates/Keenum aren't the answer. The Texans need to solve the QB riddle before next yrs draft.

We both mocked Bray last yr due to need. That need hasn't changed. IMHO

b0ng
09-30-2013, 12:51 PM
The Texans need to find out what they already have at QB on the roster. Not saying I'm against drafting a QB in Rds 1-2, but they need to find out what they've got in Yates/Keenum.


The answer is "Backup QB's"

Doppelganger
09-30-2013, 03:35 PM
note: limited to Senior Class only

First Round: Aaron Murray, QB Georgia, 6010 215

It's time. Texans need a fiery leader in mold of a young Drew Brees. Makes up for his lack of size with intelligence, competitive nature, mobility, strong arm with quick release, accurate both long & short. He is not afraid to throw into tight windows, has played four years in SEC with improving results learning from his experience, he is now polished & poised ready to run an NFL offense.
http://www.holyturf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Aaron-Murray-ISM.jpg

Second Round: Justin Gilbert, CB Oklahoma State, 6000 200

Big, strong, physical cover corner with ideal NFL size. Competes for ball in the air, will challenge QB to throw @ him & shows excellent recovery speed. Good back peddle, fluid hips sub 4.5 long speed. Also outstanding special teams returner, holds Big- 12 record for 5 kickoff returns for touchdown.
http://www.draftbrowns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Justin-Gilbert.jpg

Third Round: CJ Fiedorowicz, TE Iowa, 6060 265

Big, physical inline blocker in mold of Mark Brunner, huge asset in pass pro will wall off pass rush. His low production & lack of targets in College may just drop his stock lower than it probably should be. Possess excellent hands, solid route runner, not explosive but very reliable & solid addition to Texan TE stable
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/127/files/2013/09/7639686.jpg

Fourth Round: Ryan Groy, OT/OG Wisconsin, 6050 318

OL talent/depth would compete with Quessenberry who is coming off a broken foot on IR. Wade Smith may also be gone so really need to address position no later than 4th rd. Love Badger linemen, very sound fundamentally, has ability to play multiple positions, good feet/speed ratio. Could start as rookie?
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/host.madison.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/a6/ca6387a8-1675-11e2-9daa-001a4bcf887a/507b7f4ac7d70.preview-300.jpg

Fifth Round: Devon Kennard, OLB/DE USC, 6030 255

Texans need to keep adding pass rushing talent finding a diamond in rough this late would be sweet. Kennard is third on the Trojans in tackles for loss & sacks. Red shirt last season with torn chest/pec injury, before that started for USC as middle LB so he could might be a candidate to kick back inside to ILB which I like on later round prospects that can plug & play another position of need. He made the 2009 ESPN.com Pac-10 All-Freshman first team and Sporting News Pac-10 All-Freshman first team. He won USC's John McKay Award. His farther Derek played 11 seasons in the NFL.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Devon+Kennard+USC+v+Arizona+State+jG-x0HbyzuKl.jpg

Sixth Round: Chris Davenport, NT Tulane, 6030 330

Highly recruited prep player who played three years for LSU. Very thankful to continue his education, articulate & a classic example of a young persons ability to make positive change in his life. Davenport may have been most known as one of the LSU players connected to the bar brawl prior to the start of the 2011 season involving then-starting quarterback Jordan Jefferson. Has prototypical size for a 3-4 nose. Run plugger up the middle with ceiling to return to form as one of nations top interior linemen.

Seventh Round: Brock Vereen, SS Minnesota, 6000 202

Another DB who is well coached, smart & productive (2nd most on team). Brother of New England RB Shane Vereen. Special teams gunner, durable, competitive. Someone to stash on PS or step up due to injury. Versatile safety who could play either FS or SS.

http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-football/files/2013/04/brock-vereen-jesse-johnson.jpg


Very impressive effort sir!

1. Murray is a polarizing figure, but I believe in him. He has SEC battle scars and is ready to lead from Day 1. I personally prefer Hundley, but I would be happy with Murray as well. There are several good QB prospects in this draft, hopefully the Texans are smart enough to get one.

2. I can see the reasoning for going CB early with the theory that KJ bolts. If you go CB, Gilbert is a strong option.

3. Looking for a Gronk?! Good idea. I think OD may be heading out next year(cap casualty along with Schaub) so getting a #3 TE is smart.

4. Im a big fan of Quessenberry and I dont think he really broke his foot. I think it was an IR move to keep him on the squad. I think Quiz takes the starting job from Smith next year. Jones and Brooks would be competing for RG spot, but Groy could grab it. I too like Badger OL. Id grab him here.

5. I like Kennard, but would really like to address the OLB spot earlier. Right now the passrush is basically Watt and Smith with Merculis sprinkled in. That MUST get better.

6. LOVE big NTs. Sadly I know the Texans wont take one, but man it woud be fun to see a big boy with Sand in his pants wearing a Texans uni on 4th and 2. Oh well, to dream I suppose!!!

7. Can he play FS? My concern is that we got Ed Reed and have nobody who can learn how to be a FS on the team. Swearinger, Pleasant, Keo, etc are all SS type of players. None of them are the ball hawking CF this team needs. Can Vereen be that man?

Overall another VERY impressive draft haul!!!

beerlover
10-01-2013, 01:43 PM
Thanks Doppelgänger,

For the record I posted this mock well before game time Sunday in what will be remembered for what it was an epic meltdown after three quarters of brilliant play. Also note disclaimer, this is limited to Senior class only. The Junior or redshirt sophomore class always adds a wealth of high end talent which I will include all in good time when warranted, meaning higher probability of those declaring intentions.

I really like to add players @ these positions in this specific order both from immediate impact & value standpoint. After QB finding a true cover corner with size & playmaking ability a must. How about someone with ability to jump routes & get pick 6's? TE with size who blocks like a franchise LT & can get downfield & take Red Bryant's out on boots a very definite need as well. A big red zone target doesn't hurt either, he creates mis-matches. Need OL help too but can get great value with smaller, quicker linemen who are ultra competitive & durable. USC Sam LB who could kick to ILB is also tremedous value. Could stand up & rush outside, NFL bloodlines like Vereen all seem like no brainer, IMO!

Wolf6151
10-01-2013, 04:19 PM
BL mock draft opinion.

1. Murray, no problem with this pick at all. Good one.
2. Gilbert, no problem here either. Good pick.
3. Fiedorowicz, I like the player but I think we have bigger needs than 3rd string TE. I'd go for an OT than can battle for the starting spot here or an OLB that pushes B. Reed to ILB.
4. Groy, I don't know anything about the player but again I'd move OT up higher on the priority list and take a Safety here, we need an upgrade in the secondary, or an OLB that possibly pushes Reed to ILB.
5, 6, 7. I don't know these players but like the positions chosen.

Good draft, my only complaint is a TE in the 3rd. I really like Fiedorowicz but we've got bigger needs at OLB, OT, and Safety than at 3rd string TE. Besides I was impressed with Griffen in TC.

JMO.

beerlover
10-01-2013, 10:34 PM
BL mock draft opinion.

1. Murray, no problem with this pick at all. Good one.
2. Gilbert, no problem here either. Good pick.
3. Fiedorowicz, I like the player but I think we have bigger needs than 3rd string TE. I'd go for an OT than can battle for the starting spot here or an OLB that pushes B. Reed to ILB.
4. Groy, I don't know anything about the player but again I'd move OT up higher on the priority list and take a Safety here, we need an upgrade in the secondary, or an OLB that possibly pushes Reed to ILB.
5, 6, 7. I don't know these players but like the positions chosen.

Good draft, my only complaint is a TE in the 3rd. I really like Fiedorowicz but we've got bigger needs at OLB, OT, and Safety than at 3rd string TE. Besides I was impressed with Griffen in TC.

JMO.

Thanks.

Picking TE in 3rd is great value because he will be your starting TE in a couple years on the cheap. He has the potential to be elite. He has the size & strength to dominate LOS & good hands like Gonzales or Gates. New England might take a hard look @ him in 2nd? Paired with Gronk would seem almost unfair yet you feel that's not a need or good look for Texans? Like Schaub does'nt need plus protection & open lanes to throw the ball. Maybe it's just me but he would impact this team a heck of a lot more than last years 3rd rd. picks.

Texn4life
10-01-2013, 11:10 PM
I'm not a huge Murray fan. His record against top competition has been poor even though he's played pretty well in big games this year. Its just something about him that doesn't make me a believer. I'm on the trade up for Boyd bandwagon myself. I don't know if there is one, but I'm starting it.

TexansSeminole
10-01-2013, 11:40 PM
I'm not a huge Murray fan. His record against top competition has been poor even those he's played pretty well in big games this year. Its just something about him that doesn't make me a believer. I'm on the trade up for Boyd bandwagon myself. I don't know if there is one, but I'm starting it.

I'm with you on doing what we need to do to get Boyd. The guy is a gamer and can make plays when there is little there.

htownfan32
10-02-2013, 02:06 AM
I'm with you on doing what we need to do to get Boyd. The guy is a gamer and can make plays when there is little there.

Despite my Aggie homerism, I'd jump for joy if we got Boyd. In fact, I'd be happier, because we wouldn't have to deal with the media circus that comes with JM.

aussie_texan
10-02-2013, 07:11 AM
so we have had now 4 or 5 mocks with us taking a QB in the 1st. realistically how likely do you think this could happen. directed at everyone but mostly at the guys who did the mocks. i dont think its very likely unless we only win like 6 games which again i dont think is likely...still optimistic of a double digit win count

rmartin65
10-02-2013, 07:16 AM
so we have had now 4 or 5 mocks with us taking a QB in the 1st. realistically how likely do you think this could happen. directed at everyone but mostly at the guys who did the mocks. i dont think its very likely unless we only win like 6 games which again i dont think is likely...still optimistic of a double digit win count

I think Kubiak pushes for a QB. Assuming Schaub continues to play like crap, Kubiak's sense of self-preservation should kick in.

steelbtexan
10-02-2013, 10:20 AM
I think Kubiak pushes for a QB. Assuming Schaub continues to play like crap, Kubiak's sense of self-preservation should kick in.

^^^^
This


The Texans seem to be a day late and a dollar short when it comes to the draft.

Example, it took the Texans nearly a decade to draft a high end WR2 to go next to AJ.

Meanwhile teans like the Packers (Nelson/Jones/Driver) Pats (Givens, Patten, Welker) Steelers (Ward/A.Brown/Sanders/Wallace) Giants (Cruz/Mabbibgham) etc.... Seemed to be able to find several WR2's without having to spend a 1st rd pick.

Kubiak knows Schaub isn't the answer and will spend a 1st on a QB. Whatever the Texans most pressing need is, is what they spend their 1st rd pick on every yr. This yr will be QB, I just hope they dont take Boyd. If they want a QB like Boyd, they should just take the better version of Boyd. (Manziel)

drs23
10-02-2013, 11:03 AM
The Texans need to find out what they already have at QB on the roster. Not saying I'm against drafting a QB in Rds 1-2, but they need to find out what they've got in Yates/Keenum.

Like your mock BTW, I rate OT/Pass rushing OLB higher on the needs list.

I haven't gotten into studying the 2014 draft to much yet, but If the Texans solved their pass rushing woes Van Noy and OT Ogbuehi in rds 1-2, even if they had to trade up to the top part of Rd 2 to get my OT, I would be happy with that draft.

QB comes 1st though if Yates/Keenum aren't the answer. The Texans need to solve the QB riddle before next yrs draft.

We both mocked Bray last yr due to need. That need hasn't changed. IMHO

steelb, how are they going to do that? Each would have to see the field and as discussed ad infinum on the TT board that's less than likely to happen without a Schaub injury. I, like many others, would love to see it but I don't think it's going to happen.

Insideop
10-04-2013, 12:05 AM
^^^^
This


The Texans seem to be a day late and a dollar short when it comes to the draft.

Example, it took the Texans nearly a decade to draft a high end WR2 to go next to AJ.

Meanwhile teans like the Packers (Nelson/Jones/Driver) Pats (Givens, Patten, Welker) Steelers (Ward/A.Brown/Sanders/Wallace) Giants (Cruz/Mabbibgham) etc.... Seemed to be able to find several WR2's without having to spend a 1st rd pick.

Kubiak knows Schaub isn't the answer and will spend a 1st on a QB. Whatever the Texans most pressing need is, is what they spend their 1st rd pick on every yr. This yr will be QB, I just hope they dont take Boyd. If they want a QB like Boyd, they should just take the better version of Boyd. (Manziel)

Manziel may be a better QB than Boyd (stats wise or otherwise) and he may be an Aggie like Kubes, but, there is one area that Manziel fails at, as far as the Texans are concerned anyway, and that's his maturity. I don't think the Texans will touch him with a 10' pole with all the "baggage" he has and the circus that comes with him. It's just too much. Plus, and maybe I'm wrong on this, but I don't think he fits the style of what Kubes wants in a QB. Chip Kelly, yes. Kubes, no.

Wolf6151
10-04-2013, 01:33 AM
so we have had now 4 or 5 mocks with us taking a QB in the 1st. realistically how likely do you think this could happen. directed at everyone but mostly at the guys who did the mocks. i dont think its very likely unless we only win like 6 games which again i dont think is likely...still optimistic of a double digit win count

That's the million dollar question right there that no one can answer for certain, but everyone has an opinion on. I agree with the consensus opinion of the board that Schaub is to old, slow, un-athletic, and weak armed to be the quality NFL QB we need to lead us to the Super Bowl. I also have my doubts that as long as Kubiak is in charge, changing the QB will not make much difference on this teams Super Bowl hopes because the play calling is also a large part of the problem. As for your question I'd like a new QB, but I think replacing Schaub with a high draft pick next year isn't very realistic. I think Schaub will be back next year, Yates and Keenum will both get another year to impress us as backups and then Yates will leave for FA in 2015 and Keenum will be Schaub's replacement in 2015 and we'll then draft another backup in 2015. JMO.

aussie_texan
10-05-2013, 12:21 AM
That's the million dollar question right there that no one can answer for certain, but everyone has an opinion on. I agree with the consensus opinion of the board that Schaub is to old, slow, un-athletic, and weak armed to be the quality NFL QB we need to lead us to the Super Bowl. I also have my doubts that as long as Kubiak is in charge, changing the QB will not make much difference on this teams Super Bowl hopes because the play calling is also a large part of the problem. As for your question I'd like a new QB, but I think replacing Schaub with a high draft pick next year isn't very realistic. I think Schaub will be back next year, Yates and Keenum will both get another year to impress us as backups and then Yates will leave for FA in 2015 and Keenum will be Schaub's replacement in 2015 and we'll then draft another backup in 2015. JMO.

Whether we do or dont get a QB this off-season it will definitely show what type of organisation we have. up until now this FO of rick smith and kubiack hasnt had a QB controversy so it will show a lot of who they are by what they do this off-season

beerlover
10-08-2013, 12:31 PM
How many games has Owen missed, if this goes 8? Jimmy graham was a 3rd round pick now top TE in the NFL, that's value, now with Owen out priority need as well. Release Schaub, in offseason, save millions to resign Watt & draft best QB available with First Round Selection. Not happy with coverage skills of secondary, need ballhawk, how many picks do Texans have compared to 9 given up? OL help needed, return duties, LB & special teams as well a new coach!

badboy
10-08-2013, 02:37 PM
How many games has Owen missed, if this goes 8? Jimmy graham was a 3rd round pick now top TE in the NFL, that's value, now with Owen out priority need as well. Release Schaub, in offseason, save millions to resign Watt & draft best QB available with First Round Selection. Not happy with coverage skills of secondary, need ballhawk, how many picks do Texans have compared to 9 given up? OL help needed, return duties, LB & special teams as well a new coach!Right on target BL! We need at least a OT and probably an OG. Newton has not shown much improvement (niggling injuries?), Brandon Williams may never return, Harris is an avg T and when Q went out we saw how thin we are. Jones did better than I expected versus SF but he is not the answer.

Ed Reed has done squat other than his "rep" + is keeping Swearinger off field. We have been fortunate with late picks for TEs and hopefully that remains.

LB? Yep as well as coach.