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b0ng
05-19-2013, 11:14 PM
I think this could serve as a good repository for news bits we hear from OTA's. I'll let Nick Scurfield start us off with 5 things to look for (I guess, hear about for us) during OTA's:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Five-things-to-watch-Texans-OTAs/57852011-a8cb-459d-8691-605856f220ca


Here are five things to watch in Texans OTAs (organized team activities), which begin on Monday at the Methodist Training Center.

The Texans will have 10 practices in OTAs (May 20-21, 23 and 28-30 and June 3-6), followed by a mandatory mini-camp from June 11-13.

1. Hopkins: Rookie wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins made a strong first impression in rookie mini-camp last weekend, but that was against other rookies, many who were with the Texans on a tryout basis.

Now, the first-round draft pick from Clemson will be practicing with Andre Johnson, catching passes from quarterback Matt Schaub and going against cornerbacks such as Pro Bowler Johnathan Joseph and Kareem Jackson.

The Texans expect Hopkins to make a significant contribution from the get-go as a rookie. He showed “extremely special” ball skills in the rookie mini-camp. The Texans would certainly like to see more of the same as Hopkins practices with his veteran teammates.


Brooks Reed healthy for OTAs after groin surgery (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/19/brooks-reed-had-groin-surgery-is-healthy-for-otas/)

Texans linebacker Brooks Reed is “100 percent” after January groin surgery and was able to work out ahead of the beginning of the club’s organized team practice activities, Reed told Dave Zangaro of CSNHouston on Sunday.

Reed told CSNHouston.com he has been lifting weights and running in the last three weeks.

“It shouldn’t be anything to worry about,” Reed said. “It happened in the past and got over it. Worked hard rehabbing it so we’re at 100 percent right now and looking to improve during OTAs.”

Playoffs
05-20-2013, 11:44 AM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield 15m
QB Matt Schaub missed OTAs last year b/c of his 2011 Lisfranc injury. He's fully healthy this time around #Texans

Brian Cushing (knee) and Ed Reed (hip) will not participate in OTAs. T Derek Newton (knee) also out w/ injury #Texans

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 45m
Brooks Reed says that he'd prefer to play ILB. Added that how much he plays there will be up to how the rookie LBs play.#texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 35m
Darryl Sharpton was a full go today at OTAs. Moved well without any issues. #Texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 32m
Roc Carmichael looked the best out of the DBs. All over the field breaking up passes. Good start for him. #Texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 29m
Trevardo Williams and Sam Montgomery looked good. Williams showed he can play in space and Montgomery has some strength to him. #Texans

Playoffs
05-20-2013, 02:15 PM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield 14m
"I’m starting to feel like me again, and that’s a hell of a feeling. It’s full throttle now." @briancushing56 #Texans

Brian Cushing: "I’ll be ready for the 1st game of the season, and I'm pretty sure I’ll be ready for the 1st practice come training camp."

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 4m
Lots of teaching going on. Andre Johnson said it seems like [DeAndre] Hopkins is thinking a lot right now, which is normal for rookies. #Texans

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 8m
Earl Mitchell looked really good. Strong, quick, lean but big. Underrated last year. #texans #texanstalk

Whitney Mercilus' arms are bigger than his legs and conditioning looks great. #strongerThanMe #texans #texanstalk

Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield 9m
2 young players Gary Kubiak said look "very impressive": DE Delano Johnson and rookie T David Quessenberry #Texans

Other:

J.J. Watt -- no elbow brace
A.J. -- hit weights offseason, looks bigger
Posey -- ahead of schedule, helping out coaches

b0ng
05-20-2013, 02:52 PM
Some more twitter stuff:


Nick Scurfield Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield 31m

DeVier Posey (Achilles) was at practice helping #Texans WR coaches. Kubiak: "He’s ahead of schedule, whatever that schedule is."

PDS ‏@PatDStat 33m

Wasn't the only one that noticed but Andre Johnson looks like he hit the weight room hard this offseason. Made his "Dre" like catches today.

PDS ‏@PatDStat 25m

#Texans are not fullback deficient. Jones, Clutts and Boren all fit the definition.

PDS ‏@PatDStat 37m

Talked to Tim Jamison said he had no offseason spent the entire time rehabbing his torn Achilles. Is close to returning. #Texans

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 42m

Hopkins and Swearinger rightfully looked like men among boys during rookie mini-camp, but the talent they're surrounded changes now. #Texans

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 2m

"Cush played the position, so I'm always asking him questions and I'll get the hang of it." - Brooks Reed on move from SAM to ILB. #Texans

infantrycak
05-20-2013, 03:02 PM
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 45m
Brooks Reed says that he'd prefer to play ILB. Added that how much he plays there will be up to how the rookie LBs play.#texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 35m
Darryl Sharpton was a full go today at OTAs. Moved well without any issues. #Texans

Neither of these makes sense. OLB's rarely want to move to ILB. Wade said just a week ago that Sharpton hadn't been cleared for any activities. Now he is full go?

Malloy
05-20-2013, 03:07 PM
Good stuff, keep it coming! :)

Andre bigger, that's a scary thought :)

Texn4life
05-20-2013, 03:10 PM
Good stuff, keep it coming! :)

Andre bigger, that's a scary thought :)

I don't know if I like the idea of Andre being bigger. Seems like he would want to get lighter as he gets older.

b0ng
05-20-2013, 03:14 PM
Neither of these makes sense. OLB's rarely want to move to ILB. Wade said just a week ago that Sharpton hadn't been cleared for any activities. Now he is full go?

Okay well I don't think Palmer is just making up quotes or that other people who attended the practice are lying.

More twitter stuff:

PDS ‏@PatDStat 2m

Also one Player I forgot to mention is Jared Crick. 6-4 and now 295 lbs. went full beard/ lumberjack look. #Texans


Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro 1h

Brennan Williams said he could only participate during some of today's OTAs. He expected to be able to go but ended day with ice on knee.

PDS ‏@PatDStat 57s

Day 1 but he looks better. RT @jay_dale: I hear Terrell McClain is out there trying to win NT job.

an exchange between TexansChick and BigRon:

BigRon ‏@BigRon281 39m

@StephStradley Any sign of a mutated calf on Posey? /Demeco'd


Stephanie Stradley Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley

@BigRon281 Did not notice but was not close. Gait looked normal. Was close to Cushing, he looked symmetrical.

The Pencil Neck
05-20-2013, 03:19 PM
Neither of these makes sense. OLB's rarely want to move to ILB. Wade said just a week ago that Sharpton hadn't been cleared for any activities. Now he is full go?

These are not the droids you're looking for.

Texans_Chick
05-20-2013, 03:22 PM
Neither of these makes sense. OLB's rarely want to move to ILB. Wade said just a week ago that Sharpton hadn't been cleared for any activities. Now he is full go?

OK, let me be the Texans Talk OTAs correspondent.

There should be a quote sheet on Brooks coming out. I only heard part of the interview but it sounded like he was willing to do anything the team wanted him to do, and that he was working at ILB because they know that they could move him back to OLB and he'd be cool. I didn't get the impression he was dying to play ILB, but I only heard part of comments.

Sharpton looked fine. They are going to limit him from doing special teams stuff, but he was doing drills, on-field stuff. That was the surprise of the day. Much better than showing up and finding there was a surprise surgery on a key player like has happened in the past. (IOW, very nice to see Andre Johnson doing his Andre thing).

Dobbins I didn't see out there, nor do I think there is a quote on him. Do not want to speak out of turn though. So many interviews going on at the same time it is hard to catch them all until quote sheet comes out.

My Twitter feed has a bunch of OTA comments: @StephStradley (https://twitter.com/StephStradley)

Texans_Chick
05-20-2013, 03:26 PM
Good stuff, keep it coming! :)

Andre bigger, that's a scary thought :)

I'm not sure that Andre looked bigger to me. He looked like Andre.

PR said that the weights listed on roster sheet were accurate. Andre listed at 229 on roster sheet which is pretty much his normal 230 figure that is usually given for his weight.

ObsiWan
05-20-2013, 03:32 PM
OK, let me be the Texans Talk OTAs correspondent.

My Twitter feed has a bunch of OTA comments: @StephStradley (https://twitter.com/StephStradley)

Not to be greedy
but....
Are you planning on posting any avatar-worthy snapshots...? (hint, hint...)
:D

b0ng
05-20-2013, 04:04 PM
This (http://media.houstontexans.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1598) was posted to the Texans site, it's a .doc file unfortunately so I'll c/p:

Houston Texans Transcripts
Head Coach Gary Kubiak
Organized Team Activity Session #1 – May 20, 2013
(Transcribed by Zac Emmons and Charles Hampton)

Head Coach Gary Kubiak
WR Andre Johnson
OLB Brooks Reed
QB Matt Schaub
DE J.J. Watt

Head Coach Gary Kubiak
(on the status of OLB Brooks Reed) “He’s fine. Brooks has been fine for two-and-a-half, three months, so he’s doing good.”

(on the status of ILB Darryl Sharpton) “Sharpton’s good. He’s back to work today. We’re kind of going to be a little protective with him, keep him out of some special teams drills and stuff, but he’s back to work. (CB) Brice (McCain) is back to work on kind of a temporary basis. Other than that, those other guys are still out. Y’all know who they are, Cush (ILB Brian Cushing) and those guys.”

(on the status of ILB Brian Cushing) “He’s fine. He’s doing great. He’ll be ready to go. Our goal has been training camp the whole time. If it was up to Cush, he’d be out here today, but we’ve got to do it right.”

(on the status of S Ed Reed) “He’s doing really well. The expectations are for him to leave Colorado at some point this week, from a rehab standpoint, but yeah, it’s going good.”

(on how he plans to handle the roster and depth chart at inside linebacker) “I think the most important thing right now is that we get these young guys in position to rep. (OLB) Brooks (Reed) is repping inside right now, so that lets (OLB) Sam (Montgomery) and (OLB) Trevardo (Williams) rep with the first and second groups and (OLB Bryan) Braman rep with the first group, so I think right the key is that we just get them all going. We can settle them down. Brooks can always move, but we wanted to make sure these young guys stayed in one spot so we could really evaluate them.”

(on whether OLB Brooks Reed and ILB Darryl Sharpton are practicing at the same inside linebacker position) “They’re opposite inside, as of today. It’s going to change from day to day, but we know that Brooks can line up outside and play tomorrow if we opened the season, so we’re very concerned about getting him his reps inside from that standpoint.”

(on OLB Brooks Reed) “He’s fine. He’s a really sharp player, and he’s got a bunch of it from phase two of the (offseason) program, he got a bunch of reps in there, so we just think it’s best that if he’s going to get a ton of reps in the OTAs (Organized Team Activities), so to speak, it’s better off for him getting them somewhere he hasn’t played, because we always know he can go back.”

(on the importance of having QB Matt Schaub during Organized Team Activities this year after not having him in 2012) “I nearly forgot about last year, that he had missed the whole thing. He’s got a good season under his belt totally healthy, and obviously he comes back out here, he’s had a good offseason. He’s getting pushed by (QB) T.J. (Yates) and (QB) Case (Keenum), and that’s a good thing. Having him work full-time with the team, that’s important. There are going to be certain guys that are going to get some breaks; you’re going to see me sit some older guys as we go through this thing, but it’s good to have him back full-speed.”

(on the importance of having QB Matt Schaub throwing to the young receivers on the team) “Well, first off for the young buck, for (WR) DeAndre (Hopkins), we put him with the first group. That’s tough duty, but what happens is he’s not only getting coached by us; he’s getting coached by Matt in the huddle, he’s getting coached by (WR) Andre (Johnson) in the huddle, so that’s the best thing for a young player like that. Put him in an environment where he’s getting help from players as well as coaches, so it’s been a step in the right direction.”

(on how WR DeAndre Hopkins looked in his first practice with the full team) “I thought he was fine. I think first off he was better, mentally. He’s been through it a couple times, and just the speed of these guys – like today, they just watch how our guys work and how fast they practice, how they talk, how they’re so much into what they’re doing. So it’s a big shock for these young guys, but the key is for the next 10 days to get them all comfortable with their teammates and what we’re doing so that they can compete come summertime.”

(on what steps they have taken to improve the team’s special teams units) “Well, we got (Special Teams Coordinator) Joe (Marciano) some help, which I think was important. In this business, it seems like there’s a coach and an assistant for every dang position nowadays, and Joe’s been doing it by himself for a long, long time. So we had an opportunity to get Lig (Assistant Special Teams Coach Bob Ligashesky) in here and help Joe out, so I think that’s a big plus. Obviously, we think our team’s getting more athletic with some of these young guys that can run, so any time you get faster as a football team or special teams, you get better.”

(on the progress of the rookie defensive linemen on the team) “(NT Chris) Jones is doing fine. He struggled a little bit that weekend that we got together. It was a little bit different for him being in a 3-4 type situation and us playing him in a couple of different spots. He looked a little better to me today. (DE) Delano (Johnson), I’m thinking of him being a young player, he’s been very impressive this offseason. There will be plenty of reps to go around; I’ll rest (DE) Antonio (Smith) some, (DE) J.J. (Watt) some throughout this course, and we’ve got plenty to look at.”

(on the rookie offensive linemen) “First off, the number three (T Brennan Williams) is a little behind. He’s got a little issue with his knee. We’re trying to get him healthy and get his physical conditioning up with the rest of the team. Quiz (T David Quessenberry) is really very impressive right now. He’s smart, played all over the place in (rookie) mini-camp and handled it. He’s going to get a ton of reps at right tackle now with (RT Derek) Newton and the Williams situation.”

(on the status WR DeVier Posey) “He’s doing good. He’s doing really good. I think he’s ahead of schedule, whatever that schedule is. I think the big key to him will be when we go to (training) camp, is he a PUP (Physically Unable to Perform) guy or is he somebody that looks like he’s going to be ready early in the season. I don’t know. Right now he’s doing good, though.”

(on what are realistic expectations for WR DeVier Posey at this point) “I don’t really know. I know his goal is to make it hard on us to put him on PUP (Physically Unable to Perform) once camp starts, so that’s a good thing. He’s working hard.”

(on if windy conditions are the best challenge he can give to punt returners) “You must have been watching. It wasn’t very good today. It’s tough, and Lech (P Shane Lechler) kicks a tough ball to catch, especially down there inside the 50 where he was kicking, so we’ll keep working a lot of people, but today was about as tough as it gets.”

WR Andre Johnson
(on his thoughts on WR DeAndre Hopkins after his first practice) “He did good. You could kind of tell that he’s thinking a lot when he’s playing, but that’s part of being a rookie. He’s picking up everything pretty well. He went and made some plays today and that’s a good thing. I think day-by-day, he’ll continue to get better and better.”

(on if he is looking forward to playing with WR DeAndre Hopkins) “Definitely. We have a lot of talent at the wide receiver position. All of the young guys are very talented. I think they’re going to help us out a whole lot.”

(on if he provided any advice to WR DeAndre Hopkins today) “We’ll go in and watch the practice and stuff. I’ll talk to him from there. He sits next to me in the meeting room. I’ll tell him what I see.”

(on how he felt to be back on the field for Organized Team Activities) “I wasn’t really looking forward to it, but football is back. It just seems like the offseason goes by so fast and then you’re right back at it. It was a lot of fun and it was great to be back out here.”

(on having QB Matt Schaub on the field for Organized Team Activities compared to a season ago) “It’s great to have everyone healthy. I couldn’t tell you the last time I did OTAs, so I’m happy just to be back out here with my teammates and everything is feeling good.”

OLB Brooks Reed
(on whether he is moving to inside linebacker) “I’m not 100 percent switching positions, but I’m trying to learn another position. It’s coming along. I’ve been in the playbook a lot, picking up little things. Cush (ILB Brian Cushing) played the position, so I’m always asking him things, but I’ll get the hang of it.”

(on what he picked up when he played inside linebacker briefly in 2012) “Just to be patient. As the SAM (strongside) linebacker when I was playing the first couple of years, you’re full-tilt, you’re going, but in the middle positions you’ve got to be more patient because you’ve got to shuffle in between players more.”

(on whether there is more thinking involved playing on the inside) “A little bit. Your eyes have got to be better, and that just takes discipline and repetition.”

(on how ILB Darryl Sharpton looked in practice) “He was good. By the end of the year, everyone is beat up. He knows what to do, he’s a smart guy, and obviously physical, so he’ll do a great job.”

(on how he feels about playing inside linebacker) “I like it, and I hope they keep me there, but it doesn’t really matter where they put me – at SAM (strongside) or middle – I’ll do both to the best of my ability.”

(on whether the coaches have told him whether he will be playing inside or outside) “Be prepared for either way, and it all kind of depends on what these new draftees do, so we’ll see. It’s just a matter of time.”

(on whether he can make it a moot point by playing great at inside linebacker) “I expect myself to be the best out there, but at the end of the day it’s their decision to keep the best 11 on the field.”

QB Matt Schaub
(on working with rookie WR DeAndre Hopkins) “It’s great. He’s been out here now since rookie minicamp for a week now, so just a great attitude, great work ethic. He’s just absorbing the whole offense. He’s getting thrown in there with us in the first group, and you can just see the talent and the ability that he brings to the table, so we’re definitely excited and it’s been good to start working with him.”

(on how much WR DeAndre Hopkins can help the offense) “He’s such a dynamic player and the run after the catch, the ability to go up and get the ball; he’s just going to bring an added dimension to our offense.”

(on taking motivation from the way the 2012 season ended) “Whenever you’re not the last team standing at the end of the day, that’s motivation to get back at what you’ve been doing and start working toward next season. Last year is in the past, and this is the time to get better individually and as a group, and if we all get better by a little bit, we’ll be right where we want to.”

(on the offense becoming more dynamic as young players begin to step up) “We definitely will be. When you add in a lot of young talent that brings a lot of ability, you’re excited for what they can do. And going into year two and year three, that’s when you see a lot of guys make the most progress and the biggest jump, so definitely excited to see those guys come out here and get back to work.”

(on whether he has changed anything in his preparation for this season) “Well, I’ll say this year not having to rehab like I was last year with my foot injury is a big plus, because I can get started right after the season getting ready for this year. It’s motivation to be the last team standing this coming year, so it was obviously a disappointment the way we ended, but it’s fuel to the fire.”

(on how he feels) “I feel great.”

(on practicing with WRs Andre Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins) “It’s great. I’ve been working with Andre now for going on seven years, so it’s like riding a bike when it comes to our relationship and how we operate on the field, but with DeAndre’s ability and what he brings to the table and how hard he’s working to just immerse himself into the playbook, you can just see that once he gets it and once he’s in there and doesn’t have to think and can just play, it’s just going to be a big help to us.”

(on what he expects WR DeAndre Hopkins’ learning curve to be) “Well, there’s obviously a learning curve, but when you get right in there and you’re with the first group from day one, and all the meeting time we’re going to have and all the extra time on the field, he’s going to be ready. We’ve got four months til we play, so we’ve got a lot of time.”

(on the importance of WR DeAndre Hopkins practicing with the first team) “I think so. He’s in there, he’s proving himself to all the veterans. In our offensive huddle, we have guys who have been together now five, six, seven years and we’ve been in a lot of battles together. When you have a young guy that comes in and he just jumps in there and starts making plays and shows that he belongs, that’s the ultimate sign of respect for him and older guys notice that. So he’s got a ways to go, but we’re looking forward to his work and what he can do for us.”

(on whether WR DeAndre Hopkins did anything to impress him in the first practice) “It’s only day one out here, but you see that he’s not got the ‘deer in the headlights’ look. He’s ready to go and is very positive and just works hard.”

(on how RB Arian Foster looked) “It’s ahrd to tell on the first day, but he looks fine. He’s Arian – he’s a hard worker and he’s going to be ready to go, but he takes care of himself well.”

Texans_Chick
05-20-2013, 04:07 PM
Not to be greedy
but....
Are you planning on posting any avatar-worthy snapshots...? (hint, hint...)
:D

For the first time ever, I asked a player for a avatar snapshot, and they asked not to do it. Which is sort of silly because I can take all sorts of pictures they don't pose for, but OTOH, I'm not sure I'd want to pose for a pic after practice because ugh, hot.

Then was running around asking questions so didn't get one.

Here's the Brooks Reed quote on ILB:

(on how he feels about playing inside linebacker) “I like it, and I hope they keep me there, but it doesn’t really matter where they put me – at SAM (strongside) or middle – I’ll do both to the best of my ability.”

Playoffs
05-20-2013, 04:14 PM
Not to be greedy
but....
Are you planning on posting any avatar-worthy snapshots...? (hint, hint...)
:D

Here's one from TC from rookie camp...

http://mypict.me.s3.amazonaws.com/upload/images4/upload/0/354/881/354881748-500x500.jpg

Playoffs
05-20-2013, 04:41 PM
From: http://www.stateofthetexans.com/

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKvUCwvCYAAvQe7.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
05-20-2013, 05:35 PM
Neither of these makes sense. OLB's rarely want to move to ILB. Wade said just a week ago that Sharpton hadn't been cleared for any activities. Now he is full go?

It's good to hear that Sharpton made it through a grueling non-contact day.............without tearing something..................:kitten:

AngryNateFTW
05-20-2013, 06:18 PM
Sorry guys, Lightning struck in my neighborhood and knocked out everyone's connection. Just now got it back.

Will give you what I can.

Andre Johnson: "I wasn’t really looking forward to it, but football is back. It was a lot of fun."

2013 is going to be even bigger and better for the Houston Texans, myself and everybody involved in this organization.” @JJWatt #Texans

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKvUCwvCYAAvQe7.jpg:medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKvUzoKCUAA8ylS.jpg:medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKvVX_PCEAAXUY0.jpg:medium

Roc Carmichael is now wearing #22 for the #Texans.

Greg Jones
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKvXAejCUAAEglX.jpg:medium

"Last year was fun but nowhere near my potential. I’ve got a lot more to go, and it started right here today." @JJWatt #Texans #OTAs

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKvXoFVCcAApkqx.jpg:medium

"He’s smart, played all over the place in (rookie) mini-camp...He’s going to get a ton of reps at right tackle now." Kubiak on @DavidQberry

Brandon Brooks has really slimmed down..
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKvZUC-CMAAePW4.jpg:large

I am still impressed with Hopkins and his ability to pick up the offense. He is always asking questions and looked good in routes.

Was surpised to see Sharpton ready to roll in OTAs. Good sight for the #Texans to have him full speed on day #1.

Brooks Reed at ILB today.. (Article below)

http://www.csnhouston.com/football-houston-texans/talk/reed-hopes-texans-keep-him-inside

Greg Jones said "He has to get used to the details in the zone" that Coach Kubiak and Coach Harris are teaching him with the #Texans.

Jones said lining up against the Jaguars "Is going to be different, but he is looking forward to it." #Texans

Sam Montgomery "Say he gets excited to play football when the team's come together, really likes it." #Texans

Montgomery said "Brooks (Reed), Ninja and Whitney Mercilus" have taken him and started teaching him about being a pro. #Texans

Tim Jamison "There was no offseason for me." on his Achillies injury. #Texans

Jamison also added "He had some unfinished business from last season." #Texans


Happy to hear this!

Keshawn Martin called his first year a "learning experience",feels better about the playbook and more mentally prepared for the NFL. #Texans

Duane Brown said he still has the same strength, feels much quicker and faster than last season. He lost 7 lbs. in the offseason.

Also one Player I forgot to mention is Jared Crick. 6-4 and now 295 lbs. went full beard/ lumberjack look.

only UDFA rookie that looked good was AJ Bouye.

Wasn't the only one that noticed but Andre Johnson looks like he hit the weight room hard this offseason. Made his "Dre" like catches today.

Talked to Tim Jamison said he had no offseason spent the entire time rehabbing his torn Achilles. Is close to returning. #Texans

Hopkins and Swearinger rightfully looked like men among boys during rookie mini-camp, but the talent they're surrounded changes now.

Arian Foster looks much better this year. Looks like he too lost some weight. Looked good cutting and in drills. #Texans

Hey this J.J. Watt guy looked good out there today. One to watch. #Texans

Whitney Mercilus looks like the offseason did him some good. Looks like the weight room was his friend. #Texans

Trevardo Williams and Sam Montgomery looked good. Williams showed he can play in space and Montgomery has some strength to him. #Texans

Roc Carmichael looked the best out of the DBs. All over the field breaking up passes. Good start for him. #Texans WOW!

Martin caught the ball well and looked good for being day one of OTAs. #Texans

Keshawn Martin was disappointed how his season and the teams season ended last year. Feels much more prepared this year. #Texans

All I got, enjoy, all!

Texans_Chick
05-20-2013, 06:25 PM
My OTA post should be up soon.

For better or worse, it has flavor.

UPDATE: It is live now:

Day 1 Texans 2013 OTA report: Houston is the windy city (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2013/05/day-1-texans-2013-ota-report-houston/)

Thought of a lot of you in the last bit in that post.

Texn4life
05-20-2013, 06:30 PM
Thanks for all the updates everyone!

tru80texan
05-20-2013, 07:50 PM
This (http://media.houstontexans.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1598) was posted to the Texans site, it's a .doc file unfortunately so I'll c/p:

Thanks for the post! I normally read this at HT.com but it being provided here gives us good talking points.

I still cannot believe no one, including Schaub, has admitted to Schaub having a crippling painful injury that he played through during his poor stretch of performances at the end of the season. It's just crazy...or is it? :thinking: Lol!

CloakNNNdagger
05-20-2013, 08:33 PM
Sorry guys, Lightning struck in my neighborhood and knocked out everyone's connection. Just now got it back.

Will give you what I can.

Roc Carmichael looked the best out of the DBs. All over the field breaking up passes. Good start for him. #Texans




Seem to remember Carmichael looking like Tarzan in past OTAs then looking like Jane on Ambien when it counted. Hope the Jungle is kinder to him this year.

AngryNateFTW
05-20-2013, 08:48 PM
Seem to remember Carmichael looking like Tarzan in past OTAs then looking like Jane on Ambien when it counted. Hope the Jungle is kinder to him this year.

Agreed but for what it's worth CB's improve by seasons. KJax looked like a bust for the 1st 2 seasons but looks like a strength on our defense now.

Also, just incase anyone hasn't read Stephanie's article, i'd take a look.

OTA's Day 1 via Stephanie Stradley..

http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2013/05/day-1-texans-2013-ota-report-houston/

The Texans tight end position looks excellent….wave after wave of TE do your job guys. It’s like they have some sort of tight end cloning technology. Rookie TE Ryan Griffin caught my eye in a few plays. I do not think that the offense will miss James Casey, though he may find himself in a better role with the Eagles.

&&&&&&

Patrick Starr..

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/texans-otas-day-one-recap/

Sam Montgomery looked much better than this mini-camp debut a couple of weeks ago. He looked strong and more in tune with what the coaches were asking him to do. He showed his ability to dissect plays and had two quarterback sacks, if this was game speed. Montgomery has taken some big steps as an outside linebacker in less than two weeks. It should be fun to watch to see where he ends up by the end of training camp.

Drafted rookie outside linebacker Trevardo Williams impressed on his first day of OTAs. He showed his ability to drop in space and today tipped a pass for a Brandon Harris interception. Williams looks like he can play the Sam or Will position for the Texans, and looks like he could be a good late pick for the Texans.

Both great articles.

Texans_Chick
05-20-2013, 08:49 PM
Seem to remember Carmichael looking like Tarzan in past OTAs then looking like Jane on Ambien when it counted. Hope the Jungle is kinder to him this year.

Roc had some nice plays but I didn't personally think he looked like the best of the DBs.

At OTAs, we all have different vantage points and things we are focusing on. So we all notice different things--maybe more so than us noticing different things in games. The Texans have the good fortune of having everything on camera from various angles, and position coaches focusing on their guys.

I must go now. My daughter walked in and has asked me to put the dancing cow smilie on this reply. Later y'all.

:cow:

Brisco_County
05-20-2013, 09:39 PM
I'm surprised this has not been mentioned:

(on how he plans to handle the roster and depth chart at inside linebacker) “I think the most important thing right now is that we get these young guys in position to rep. (OLB) Brooks (Reed) is repping inside right now, so that lets (OLB) Sam (Montgomery) and (OLB) Trevardo (Williams) rep with the first and second groups and (OLB Bryan) Braman rep with the first group, so I think right the key is that we just get them all going. We can settle them down. Brooks can always move, but we wanted to make sure these young guys stayed in one spot so we could really evaluate them.”

Braman's not repping with the second group at all. Does that mean something, or is he just being used as a stand-in?

AngryNateFTW
05-20-2013, 09:45 PM
I'm surprised this has not been mentioned:



Braman's not repping with the second group at all. Does that mean something, or is he just being used as a stand-in?

If Reed is ILB, then Mercilus and Braman are the only OLB's with game experience.

Trevardo Williams and Montgomery are both rookies, I doubt we should look into it that far yet.

The Pencil Neck
05-20-2013, 10:03 PM
I still cannot believe no one, including Schaub, has admitted to Schaub having a crippling painful injury that he played through during his poor stretch of performances at the end of the season. It's just crazy...or is it? :thinking: Lol!

Don't expect Schaub to ever mention any injury or pain as an excuse. He's played through a lot of injuries in his career and I don't think he's ever used them as excuses.

All you have to do is look at how he moved at the beginning of the season compared to how he moved at the end of the season. He did not appear to be planting at the end of the year like he was at the beginning of the year. Given the injury he'd suffered the year before, that's not surprising.

DocBar
05-20-2013, 10:42 PM
My OTA post should be up soon.

For better or worse, it has flavor.

UPDATE: It is live now:

Day 1 Texans 2013 OTA report: Houston is the windy city (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2013/05/day-1-texans-2013-ota-report-houston/)

Thought of a lot of you in the last bit in that post.Your link doesn't work for me. :slapfight:

AngryNateFTW
05-20-2013, 10:46 PM
Your link doesn't work for me. :slapfight:

I linked her article, check mine and see if it works.

jtexas
05-21-2013, 06:57 AM
My OTA post should be up soon.

For better or worse, it has flavor.

UPDATE: It is live now:

Day 1 Texans 2013 OTA report: Houston is the windy city (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2013/05/day-1-texans-2013-ota-report-houston/)

Thought of a lot of you in the last bit in that post.

Good article, thanks for posting

Playoffs
05-21-2013, 07:09 AM
Seem to remember Carmichael looking like Tarzan in past OTAs then looking like Jane on Ambien when it counted. Hope the Jungle is kinder to him this year.

Yeah, there are better sources out there.

SW H-TOWN
05-21-2013, 07:35 AM
Really glad to hear that Sharpton is doing good, I did not think he would be as mobile as described. To me that is the best news out of everything I read.

SW H-TOWN
05-21-2013, 07:44 AM
Roc had some nice plays but I didn't personally think he looked like the best of the DBs.

At OTAs, we all have different vantage points and things we are focusing on. So we all notice different things--maybe more so than us noticing different things in games. The Texans have the good fortune of having everything on camera from various angles, and position coaches focusing on their guys.

I must go now. My daughter walked in and has asked me to put the dancing cow smilie on this reply. Later y'all.

:cow:

Please keep an eye on Sharpton. If he is mobile and looks good he could wind up starting on day one and keep Reed on the outside IMO.

Texans_Chick
05-21-2013, 07:48 AM
Really glad to hear that Sharpton is doing good, I did not think he have that level of mobility. To me that is the best news out of everything I read.

Early in OTAs, they do agility drills. If you didn't know he had a problem last year, you wouldn't know. He looked fine.

Of course, with all these guys, you can't tell how they will hold up until real game stuff.

Some injuries are unavoidable, but some players are able to play at a high level and not let injuries keep them off the field. It's the reason why older players aren't necessarily worse players than younger ones--if they've been able to stay in the league, maybe they may be better at maintaining their body than unproven guys.

The difficulty with this linebacker group both inside/out, is that there is little track record of these guys holding up with a lot of snaps. Some of it is just that they are noobs, but the two LBs with the most snaps for the Texans last year were Bradie James and Connor Barwin, both gone.

So just because the linebackers haven't held up in the past, or that there are new guys, doesn't mean they can't have a solid 2013. But they will certainly be tested because the Texans don't have a big NT that keeps the linebackers cleaner--they are required to clean up after the chances that the defensive line take to go after the QB.

SW H-TOWN
05-21-2013, 08:02 AM
Early in OTAs, they do agility drills. If you didn't know he had a problem last year, you wouldn't know. He looked fine.

Of course, with all these guys, you can't tell how they will hold up until real game stuff.

Some injuries are unavoidable, but some players are able to play at a high level and not let injuries keep them off the field. It's the reason why older players aren't necessarily worse players than younger ones--if they've been able to stay in the league, maybe they may be better at maintaining their body than unproven guys.

The difficulty with this linebacker group both inside/out, is that there is little track record of these guys holding up with a lot of snaps. Some of it is just that they are noobs, but the two LBs with the most snaps for the Texans last year were Bradie James and Connor Barwin, both gone.

So just because the linebackers haven't held up in the past, or that there are new guys, doesn't mean they can't have a solid 2013. But they will certainly be tested because the Texans don't have a big NT that keeps the linebackers cleaner--they are required to clean up after the chances that the defensive line take to go after the QB.

Really good post, thanks. I especially agree with your assessment in the last 2 paragraphs.

AngryNateFTW
05-21-2013, 08:53 AM
This is still from Day 1 of OTA's..


http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/05-20-13-arian-foster-jumps-out-at-texans-practice-but-andre-johnson-wowed-by-one-deandre-hopkins-trait/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

(From this article ^)
second-year receiver Keshawn Martin may have made the single most impressive play of all — beating veteran safety Danieal Manning to the corner as he sped up the sideline on one long catch

Playoffs
05-21-2013, 10:37 AM
LZ's first day impressions:

Musings from the Texans’ first day of OTAs (http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2013/05/musings-from-the-texans-first-day-of-otas/)

I was excited to be back out at the Texans practice fields to watch some practice football. Don’t get me wrong, I know that we’re in May and that there are no starting positions won or lost in May. One element of OTAs that always fascinate me is the players weights since it will sometimes give you a glimpse of who is taking the offseason seriously and who might not be. Now keep in mind that some players will gain or lose weight according to what the team is looking for them to do. It is also worth noting that many of these players can see their weight fluctuate within the course of two to three weeks. Here is a look at which players were noticeably bigger and smaller at the start of OTAs this year versus where they were last year.

Who is bigger?
...
Who is smaller?
...
Random Musings
...

Rey
05-21-2013, 10:54 AM
LZ's first day impressions:

Musings from the Texans’ first day of OTAs (http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2013/05/musings-from-the-texans-first-day-of-otas/)


That was my favorite read about yesterday.

Playoffs
05-21-2013, 01:57 PM
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
Hopkins said he bruised his knee in his collision with Harris. Said he missed 5 plays and is fine.

Kubiak says B. Harris is doing ok after colliding with Hopkins over the middle. Trainers worked on Harris for a few min B4 he walked off.

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley
Kubiak said after practice that DeAndre Hopkins was fine after collision. He completed practice. Looked fine after.

Playoffs
05-21-2013, 02:56 PM
PDS ‏@PatDStat (https://twitter.com/PatDStat)

QBs had an overall rough day. Poor center to QB exchanges. Some work to be done. #Texans

Rookie ILB Ja'Gared Davis had a nice interception of a tipped pass today. #Texans

DeAndre Hopkins looks so confident catching the football. Makes one handed catches look so easy. #Texans

Jeff Maehl has been probably one of the most consistent WRs to this point. Has caught everything thrown his way. #Texans

Brooks Reed's transition to the inside is interesting. Seems very natural for him. Cushing was coaching him up today. #Texans

Rookie cornerback A.J. Bouye keeps making plays on the field. Did it in rookie mini camp and now first 2 days of OTAs One to watch. #Texans

Watched Jared Crick closer today. Built better now for the run, probably will help at NT in a pinch. Overall strength has improved. #Texans

Stephen McGee threw the ball well today. Yates and Keenum had their moments. Position battle to watch. #Texans

Ryan Griffin took advantage of his time today. Big target and caught some tough passes today, few drops, but best he has looked. #Texans

Couple things from today. Keshawn Martin had a nice day. Ran sharp routes and caught the ball well. #Texans

Playoffs
05-21-2013, 03:23 PM
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
Montgomery did have a much better showing in day two. looked quicker and less gassed. Maybe the back was slowing him more than we think.

Sam Montgomery told me that he thinks he got pushed around a bit on day 1 of OTAs. Said he thought about it all night last night.#TexansTalk

"He has great size & great hands, he can defiantly make the tough catches." Jackson on Hopkins. Added he's only covered him a few times.#Texans

"he's flying around out here and he's catching on quick. It's going to be exciting." - Kareem Jackson on DJ Swearinger.

PDS ‏@PatDStat
#Texans fullbacks are Greg Jones (6-1 268 lbs.) Tyler Clutts (6-2 254 lbs.) and Zach Boren (6-0 255 lbs.)

Montgomery does a good job playing disciplined on the backside of a play. Two days in a row where a bootleg would have been a sack. #Texans

Sam Montgomery knows one speed. Today when Jeff Maehl tried to block him, Sam literally moved him with ease. (Picked him up.)

drs23
05-21-2013, 05:08 PM
I'm LOVING these OTA reports. Doing a good job of beating that offseason JONES!

Pollardized
05-21-2013, 06:41 PM
My brother JJ Moses told me at church last week that Matt Schaub looked leaner and more muscular to him when they did an event together. I'm interested to see how Schaub performs this year.

thunderkyss
05-21-2013, 07:15 PM
My brother JJ Moses told me at church last week that Matt Schaub looked leaner and more muscular to him when they did an event together. I'm interested to see how Schaub performs this year.

That's all fine & good. But what he really needs is something to help (http://www.zieringmedical.com/ziering-houston/?gclid=COq7j_-2qLcCFcij4AodnTgAOg) him with his confidence.

texan279
05-21-2013, 08:31 PM
Kubiak: ‘Third Round Pick Way Behind At OTAs’



HOUSTON (CBS Houston) Brennan Williams is getting some attention at OTAs and not in a positive way. On Monday after the first day of OTAs, head coach Gary Kubiak showed some concerns over Williams’ progress. The third-round draft pick out of UNC suffered a knee injury on May 11 during the second day of mini-camp and did not return. An MRI cleared his knee of any major issues, but the offensive tackle is still suffering lingering effects.

“(Williams) is way behind. He’s got a little issue with his knee. We’re trying to get him healthy and we gotta get his physical condition up with the rest of the team,” Kubiak said in a press gathering after OTA practice on Monday.





http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/05/21/kubiak-3rd-round-pick-way-behind-at-otas/

Brisco_County
05-21-2013, 09:16 PM
I'm surprised this has not been mentioned:



Braman's not repping with the second group at all. Does that mean something, or is he just being used as a stand-in?

Very astute observation, Brisco County. Why yes, this could mean something according to Gary Kubiak. (Seriously good post, man. You should post more often. I'm actually kinda blown away.)

(on OLB Bryan Braman) “It’s been good. Obviously, he’s getting a chance to work with the starters right now. Usually when guys get put in those positions because of Brooks (Reed) moving or whatever, it’ doesn’t matter, but when guys get put in those situations, you’ll see them flourish and take off. It’s interesting to watch him right now. He was good yesterday and I’ll go back and watch him today. Here’s an opportunity to say, ‘Brian, can you start? Can you be a starter in this league?’ So we’re going to give him a chance throughout OTAs to see how far he can come.”

Link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Texans-OTAs-Day-2/b49acfa5-4a31-4701-9bc5-b46dc8a42a93).

Texans_Chick
05-21-2013, 09:32 PM
OK, I asked two questions specifically for y'all today. From the Kubiak transcripts:

(on speculation that S Ed Reed might miss the first week of the regular season) “I don’t go off speculation. We know what we know. He had the surgery. Everything went well. He went through the process of staying in Colorado which was part of the deal, part of the rehab process. Now, he’s supposed to be turned loose this week. Everything that we know is on schedule and our expectations are to look at camp at some point and be ready to go at the opening of the season. Other than that, I can’t comment on that.”

(on OLB Bryan Braman) “It’s been good. Obviously, he’s getting a chance to work with the starters right now. Usually when guys get put in those positions because of Brooks (Reed) moving or whatever, it’ doesn’t matter, but when guys get put in those situations, you’ll see them flourish and take off. It’s interesting to watch him right now. He was good yesterday and I’ll go back and watch him today. Here’s an opportunity to say, ‘Brian, can you start? Can you be a starter in this league?’ So we’re going to give him a chance throughout OTAs to see how far he can come.”

The second question was actually, "How is Bryan Braman's progress so far?"

Pretty much got the answer I thought I was going to get with the second question. Which isn't much.

On the first question, he answered more than I thought because usually he defers on injury stuff. But I figured that since a lot of the talk last week was the speculation that he would be gone week 1 of the season, figured I should give him a chance to say something.

Texans_Chick
05-21-2013, 09:32 PM
Oh, and if there is stuff you guys want me to birddog for you, I'd be happy to do it.

Fred
05-21-2013, 09:49 PM
Very astute observation, Brisco County.
I know that you hate to bring it up, so I will. In addition to his other good qualities, Brisco County is incredibly humble.

Brisco_County
05-21-2013, 09:52 PM
I know that you hate to bring it up, so I will. In addition to his other good qualities, Brisco County is incredibly humble.

He's the humblest guy you'll ever meet.

AngryNateFTW
05-21-2013, 10:05 PM
Sorry guys, super late but OTA's are running right when i'm in the middle of serious work time and I can't access a computer. Then went out with some friends after work and got some food. Just now getting home.

Rundown of Day 2 (All from Patrick Starr)

Darryl Sharpton said it has been a tough road but he said his body has never felt better. #Texans

Couple things from today. Keshawn Martin had a nice day. Ran sharp routes and caught the ball well. #Texans

Ryan Griffin took advantage of his time today. Big target and caught some tough passes today, few drops, but best he has looked. #Texans

Stephen McGee threw the ball well today. Yates and Keenum had their moments. Position battle to watch.

Watched Jared Crick closer today. Built better now for the run, probably will help at NT in a pinch. Overall strength has improved.

Rookie cornerback A.J. Bouye keeps making plays on the field. Did it in rookie mini camp and now first 2 days of OTAs One to watch.

Brooks Reed's transition to the inside is interesting. Seems very natural for him. Cushing was coaching him up today.

Talked to Deji Karim. Said his new teammates give him a hard time about his KR last year when he was with the Colts non stop.

Kareem Jackson said bringing back Brice McCain for the defense was "huge". Says 3 seasons with JJo and Brice have been great.

Jeff Maehl has been probably one of the most consistent WRs to this point. Has caught everything thrown his way.

DeAndre Hopkins looks so confident catching the football. Makes one handed catches look so easy.

QBs had an overall rough day. Poor center to QB exchanges. Some work to be done.

Rookie ILB Ja'Gared Davis had a nice interception of a tipped pass today.

Can't wait to see the full backs in action. All three are loads and feel for the ILBs that will be taking them on.

#Texans fullbacks are Greg Jones (6-1 268 lbs.) Tyler Clutts (6-2 254 lbs.) and Zach Boren (6-0 255 lbs.)

Sam Montgomery knows one speed. Today when Jeff Maehl tried to block him, Sam literally moved him with ease. (Picked him up.) #Texans

(To be fair, Jeff Maehl weighs about 170.)

Montgomery does a good job playing disciplined on the backside of a play. Two days in a row where a bootleg would have been a sack. #Texans

The new and improved Jared Crick

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BK03FMVCUAAkuXG.jpg:medium

Here's a rundown of everything Starr saw that he might not have included in his tweets.

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/texans-otas-day-two-recap/

Brisco_County
05-21-2013, 10:10 PM
Oh, and if there is stuff you guys want me to birddog for you, I'd be happy to do it.

I'm interested in knowing how Kareem Jackson is moving around at 208.

And Quessenberry, since either he or Williams will be the starter.

Edit: Just saw this:

- Kareem Jackson came into OTAs at 208 lbs., but in 2012 he played at 192 lbs. He assured us that he trains heavy in the off-season but it will even out when camp approaches. He said he plays lighter during the season and he has always trained like this.

So not much of a concern.

Corrosion
05-22-2013, 01:36 AM
Posted this in the DJ Swearinger draft pick thread .... but think it fits here.


Swearinger ladder drills video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhqUXDDy1k0&sns=tw)


Edit - music NSFW.

thunderkyss
05-22-2013, 04:59 AM
Oh, and if there is stuff you guys want me to birddog for you, I'd be happy to do it.

A direct question about Matt's performance & residual effects of his LisFranc.

If they are worried at all, that Matt will never be as good as he was.

Rey
05-22-2013, 07:20 AM
Ask them where the hell Tim dobbins is?

Texans_Chick
05-22-2013, 09:20 AM
Ask them where the hell Tim dobbins is?

We asked. He said OTA's voluntary. Usually if there is a reason a guy isn't there, like graduation or health reasons or whatever, we are told.

So I think the answer is nobody knows.

Texans_Chick
05-22-2013, 09:22 AM
A direct question about Matt's performance & residual effects of his LisFranc.

If they are worried at all, that Matt will never be as good as he was.

We won't get a straight answer on that.

I asked Schaub about his health, and he said "great."

I could ask him specifically about residual after effects and orthotics or whatever, but I'm guessing no way I get a real answer. Schaub is probably the best at saying nothing at about his physical condition.

Texans_Chick
05-22-2013, 09:24 AM
I'm interested in knowing how Kareem Jackson is moving around at 208.

And Quessenberry, since either he or Williams will be the starter.

Edit: Just saw this:



So not much of a concern.

Quessenberry is a big body. He was the day 1 guy that Kubiak mentioned as a stand out to him. Which is his way of pushing Williams.

But even before Williams' knee botherment, the Texans were high on Quessenberry. Enough that I'm getting better at spelling his name off the top of my head.

Texans_Chick
05-22-2013, 09:26 AM
Here's my Day 2 Report. (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2013/05/day-2-texans-2013-ota-report-figuring-out-what-to-buy/)

Basically, there's a bunch of stuff that comes out of camp, and I am trying to sort out what is real and what is just practice talk.

Also has a link to my most relevant off-season Texans analysis links at the end.

Also has a discussion in the comments about questions people have about what I am seeing. Lots of good discussion in both the Day 1 and Day 2 comments already.

Just trying to be your eyes and ears at OTAs, giving you a flavor of what it is like to be there.

Rey
05-22-2013, 09:32 AM
We asked. He said OTA's voluntary. Usually if there is a reason a guy isn't there, like graduation or health reasons or whatever, we are told.

So I think the answer is nobody knows.

Kind of scary...I hope he's ok...

Playoffs
05-22-2013, 09:53 AM
Quessenberry is a big body. He was the day 1 guy that Kubiak mentioned as a stand out to him. Which is his way of pushing Williams.

But even before Williams' knee botherment, the Texans were high on Quessenberry. Enough that I'm getting better at spelling his name off the top of my head.

I can see Quess becoming a solid "B" graded player over time. Williams better put a wiggle in it. My one question on him was how hard he's driven. I get the impression he showed up in rookie shape, not NFL shape. With a knee, that all may push him to the last third of the season before he contributes meaningfully.

Rey
05-22-2013, 10:06 AM
At this point Williams is looking like the number 1 candidate for rookie IR stash.

SW H-TOWN
05-22-2013, 10:09 AM
At this point Williams is looking like the number 1 candidate for rookie IR stash.

I would bet money on it.

Texans_Chick
05-22-2013, 10:09 AM
I can see Quess becoming a solid "B" graded player over time. Williams better put a wiggle in it. My one question on him was how hard he's driven. I get the impression he showed up in rookie shape, not NFL shape. With a knee, that all may push him to the last third of the season before he contributes meaningfully.

Eh. I thought Williams looked in decent shape. Big, big body.

So I wouldn't read too much into it.

But dudes get injured. And the whole can't make the club from the tub stuff is harsh but true.

So practice moves on. And other guys get more reps. It's early though to be making predictions, but once a guy is on the roster, you pretty much have to ignore where they were drafted because it is a battle royale. Drafted guys have a leg up because of contract, and that it is harder to stash on p-squad, but rookies have to practice and learn. Coaches don't know what they can do.

Playoffs
05-22-2013, 10:23 AM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield
Kubiak on Ed Reed (hip): "Our expectations are to look at camp at some point and be ready to go at the opening of the season." #Texans

DT Sunny Harris and TE Phillip Supernaw suffered foot injuries on Monday. Both are out until at least next week #Texans

ILB Tim Dobbins has not been at OTAs. #Texans coach Gary Kubiak: "It's voluntary. He's not here."

badboy
05-22-2013, 10:34 AM
Some info on AJ Boye:
http://www.ucfathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/bouye_aj00.html

Came back from his 2011 injury strong by starting all 14 games at cornerback
-Finished with 53 tackles, eight break-ups, three interceptions, one forced fumble and two fumble recoveries
-One of just three players in UCF history to have an interception return for a touchdown and a fumble return for a touchdown in the same season
-Ended the year with 111 interception return yards, good for fifth on the UCF single-season list


Good interview: http://nfldraftzone.com/draft-news/draft-zone-spotlight-a-j-bouye-cb-university-of-central-florida/

CloakNNNdagger
05-22-2013, 11:53 AM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield
Kubiak on Ed Reed (hip): "Our expectations are to look at camp at some point and be ready to go at the opening of the season." #Texans

DT Sunny Harris and TE Phillip Supernaw suffered foot injuries on Monday. Both are out until at least next week #Texans



Hate to hear about Supernaw. Hope it's not a recurrence of last year's metatarsal stress fracture.

Brisco_County
05-22-2013, 12:33 PM
Quessenberry is a big body. He was the day 1 guy that Kubiak mentioned as a stand out to him. Which is his way of pushing Williams.

But even before Williams' knee botherment, the Texans were high on Quessenberry. Enough that I'm getting better at spelling his name off the top of my head.

When in doubt, call him "Quiz."

Also requesting that you keep an eye on Keenum for us. Thanks.

b0ng
05-22-2013, 12:53 PM
I think I am most interested in how our O-line play is (I mean, who is the RT right now taking 1st team reps, and then who's the 2nd teamer? Brooks looks leaner, but is his play better?), and how our outside pass rushers are looking. I think these two areas were our biggest hinderances last year and I am concerned about them this year heading into the camps.

The Pencil Neck
05-22-2013, 12:58 PM
I think I am most interested in how our O-line play is (I mean, who is the RT right now taking 1st team reps, and then who's the 2nd teamer? Brooks looks leaner, but is his play better?), and how our outside pass rushers are looking. I think these two areas were our biggest hinderances last year and I am concerned about them this year heading into the camps.

Yep. This is my main thing.

Who is getting reps at starting RG/RT? How do they look? I know it's hard to tell much without pads on but just hearing about who's getting the snaps and if they seem like they know what they're doing would be great.

HOU-TEX
05-22-2013, 01:29 PM
Yep. This is my main thing.

Who is getting reps at starting RG/RT? How do they look? I know it's hard to tell much without pads on but just hearing about who's getting the snaps and if they seem like they know what they're doing would be great.

Just by going through all the pics between HT.com and Chron I noticed Brooks at RG and Harris at RT.

I think Brooks will do just fine, but I admit, RT is beginning to freak me out.

It appears Quessenberry was reppin with the two's and couldn't tell who the RG was going with the twos

CloakNNNdagger
05-22-2013, 01:45 PM
Some additional OTA PICs at this link. http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/05/texans-report-keenum-ready-to-push-yates/#12466-1

Rey
05-22-2013, 01:58 PM
Shilo Keo ahead of Swearinger at this point as well. Keo running with the 1's.

Rey
05-22-2013, 01:59 PM
Heard Andre on the radio and he said that he can tells DeAndre not only wants to be good, but wants to be great. Said that he was already asking about going with him wherever he's going when they get a break so they could work out together...

EVOLVIST
05-22-2013, 02:02 PM
So I think the answer is nobody knows.

Is this the same answer for the whereabouts of #87?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/EVOLVIST/dsc_0042_zpseafae317.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/EVOLVIST/media/dsc_0042_zpseafae317.jpg.html)

:evil:

CloakNNNdagger
05-22-2013, 02:21 PM
Shilo Keo ahead of Swearinger at this point as well. Keo running with the 1's.

Unless a bolt of lightning has struck Keo since the end of last season, that's scary.:eek:

thunderkyss
05-22-2013, 02:27 PM
I could ask him specifically about residual after effects and orthotics or whatever, but I'm guessing no way I get a real answer. Schaub is probably the best at saying nothing at about his physical condition.

How about a trick question, "What are you going to do to minimize how much your foot affects your performance?"


To be fair, I'm one of the few who believe his foot was not an issue. I'd like to hear him say as much. "My foot was not an issue last season."

So maybe you can put it like that, "Matt, there's this guy who isn't really a fan of yours, but he's bothered by all the inuendo concerning your LisFranc. Can you throw him a bone & let him know you were 100% last year & will be 100% going into 2013?"

CloakNNNdagger
05-22-2013, 03:46 PM
How about a trick question, "What are you going to do to minimize how much your foot affects your performance?"


To be fair, I'm one of the few who believe his foot was not an issue. I'd like to hear him say as much. "My foot was not an issue last season."

So maybe you can put it like that, "Matt, there's this guy who isn't really a fan of yours, but he's bothered by all the inuendo concerning your LisFranc. Can you throw him a bone & let him know you were 100% last year & will be 100% going into 2013?"

TK, you sneaky devil, you!. :) You don't truly believe that asking him a "tricky" question at this point won't simply result in getting a "tricky" answer in return, do you?:spy:

Texans_Chick
05-22-2013, 04:37 PM
Schaub could be limbless and not even admit to a flesh wound. Beyond the black knight sort of stuff. There's some guys where it is hard to get any answer from them.

CloakNNNdagger
05-22-2013, 05:15 PM
Schaub could be limbless and not even admit to a flesh wound. Beyond the black knight sort of stuff. There's some guys where it is hard to get any answer from them.


TC, I have to post this Black Knight segment from Monty Python: the Holy Grail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8KpuJw) for those that don't know to what you are referring, and for those that want to relive one of the funniest pieces they ever filmed.

Thanks for the visual.......and the memories.:)

Malloy
05-22-2013, 05:23 PM
Schaub could be limbless and not even admit to a flesh wound. Beyond the black knight sort of stuff. There's some guys where it is hard to get any answer from them.

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Black-Knight-monty-python-380119_800_441.jpg

(sorry, too lazy to upload Picture...) :)

CloakNNNdagger
05-22-2013, 05:30 PM
http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Black-Knight-monty-python-380119_800_441.jpg

(sorry, too lazy to upload Picture...) :)

Here you go!

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Black-Knight-monty-python-380119_500_276.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
05-22-2013, 05:42 PM
Some good, bad and ugly re. OTA participants.

Not liking the comments on Brennan Williams.

Brennan Williams Sucking? OH MY GAH!!!!

If you had hoped that third round pick Brennan Williams would be a potential replacement in Year 1 for right tackle Derek Newton, who underwent offseason surgery and who likes to tweet about when he takes and wakes up from naps, you probably will be disappointed by this quote:


"(Williams) is way behind. He's got a little issue with his knee. We're trying to get him healthy and we gotta get his physical condition up with the rest of the team."

http://www.battleredblog.com/2013/5/22/4355582/houston-texans-newswire-picture-duane-brown-rollin

Wolf6151
05-22-2013, 05:51 PM
TC, I have to post this Black Knight segment from Monty Python: the Holy Grail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8KpuJw) for those that don't know to what you are referring, and for those that want to relive one of the funniest pieces they ever filmed.

Thanks for the visual.......and the memories.:)

Thanks for the link, I haven't seen that in years. ROTFLMAO

PapaL
05-22-2013, 05:53 PM
Heard Andre on the radio and he said that he can tells DeAndre not only wants to be good, but wants to be great. Said that he was already asking about going with him wherever he's going when they get a break so they could work out together...

This makes me smile! Makes me wonder why last years guys weren't shadowing AJ everywhere.

IBleedTexans
05-22-2013, 08:55 PM
This makes me smile! Makes me wonder why last years guys weren't shadowing AJ everywhere.

I'm pretty sure I read on here Posey would stick to AJ ,but I could be wrong.

bckey
05-22-2013, 09:10 PM
TC, I have to post this Black Knight segment from Monty Python: the Holy Grail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8KpuJw) for those that don't know to what you are referring, and for those that want to relive one of the funniest pieces they ever filmed.

Thanks for the visual.......and the memories.:)

I just could never get into British humor other than the Benny Hill show.

DocBar
05-22-2013, 09:17 PM
I just could never get into British humor other than the Benny Hill show.It's generally as dry as west Texas sand to quote Jerry Jeff Walker.

painekiller
05-23-2013, 12:33 AM
It's generally as dry as west Texas sand to quote Jerry Jeff Walker.

That is Ray Wiley Hubbard's song "London Homesick Blues" on Jerry's album


Sorry, sometimes things like that bug and I have to correct them.

SW H-TOWN
05-23-2013, 05:49 AM
Please keep an eye on Sharpton. His mobility is really good news. I hope he impresses when training camp comes around because at this point I am not too excited at the thought of having Montgomery or Williams being our day one starter. Unless we sign somebody it seems to me our best case scenario would be to have a Reed/Cushing/Sharpton/Mercilus LB Core. Hope Sharpton can stay healthy.

Fred
05-23-2013, 06:25 AM
That is Ray Wiley Hubbard's song "London Homesick Blues" on Jerry's album


Sorry, sometimes things like that bug and I have to correct them.
That is Gary P. Nunn's song "London Homesick Blues" on Jerry Jeff's classic album "ˇViva Terlingua!" (anyone without a copy should be deported from Texas immediately).

Sorry, sometimes things like that bug me and I have to correct them.

It's generally as dry as west Texas sand to quote Jerry Jeff Walker.
First time the black knight scene has ever been described as "dry". Most people would call it wet. Even the guy at the Cheese Shop would say "it's a bit runny..."

SW H-TOWN
05-23-2013, 06:39 AM
Please keep an eye on Sharpton. His mobility is really good news. I hope he impresses when training camp comes around because at this point I am not too excited at the thought of having Montgomery or Williams being our day one starter. Unless we sign somebody it seems to me our best case scenario would be to have a Reed/Cushing/Sharpton/Mercilus LB Core. Hope Sharpton can stay healthy.

eriadoc
05-23-2013, 10:39 AM
Please keep an eye on Sharpton. It's only amatter of time before he pulls off his Mr. Glass impersonation.

Fixed.

thunderkyss
05-23-2013, 11:16 AM
Please keep an eye on Sharpton. His mobility is really good news. I hope he impresses when training camp comes around because at this point I am not too excited at the thought of having Montgomery or Williams being our day one starter. Unless we sign somebody it seems to me our best case scenario would be to have a Reed/Cushing/Sharpton/Mercilus LB Core. Hope Sharpton can stay healthy.

Why?

We've already seen that last year. Reed & Whitney on the ends isn't going to get us the pass rush we need. We need to get better.

I don't know that Montgomery or Williams is the answer, but I'm not "worried" about them starting. If Wade thinks it's worth a shot..... go for it. Can't get a whole lot worse.

Rey
05-23-2013, 11:50 AM
Why?

We've already seen that last year. Reed & Whitney on the ends isn't going to get us the pass rush we need. We need to get better.

I don't know that Montgomery or Williams is the answer, but I'm not "worried" about them starting. If Wade thinks it's worth a shot..... go for it. Can't get a whole lot worse.

That's my thoughts as well. I don't really like Reed as a do it all ILB, but as a run stopper on 1st and second downs I think he can be ok....

But I want to give a bunch of guys a shot on the edge in this defense. We need more pressure from the edges.

CloakNNNdagger
05-23-2013, 11:59 AM
Ask them where the hell Tim dobbins is?

We asked. He said OTA's voluntary. Usually if there is a reason a guy isn't there, like graduation or health reasons or whatever, we are told.

So I think the answer is nobody knows.

Just a thought. Dobbins was IR'ed the beginning of Jan (4 1/2 months ago). The reason given was a nondescriptive "serious right ankle injury (http://www.13wham.com/sports/story/Texans-send-LB-Dobbins-to-IR/9iq5Vv-B5UOj4uwJjLr56g.cspx)." If this were a significant high ankle sprain, return to play can easily be as long as 4-6 months or longer. If the high ankle sprain is severe and remains or becomes unstable and does not respond to rehab, surgery may become the only viable option.


[EDIT: ADDITIONAL INFO
Rotoworld (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3959/player) reported the Texans release at the time:

Dobbins isn't thought to have a long-term injury, but his "badly" sprained ankle was severe enough that the Texans determined he had no chance to help with their playoff run.

Always get a little uneasy when I see these type of injury reports by the Texans.]

DocBar
05-23-2013, 12:18 PM
That is Gary P. Nunn's song "London Homesick Blues" on Jerry Jeff's classic album "ˇViva Terlingua!" (anyone without a copy should be deported from Texas immediately).

Sorry, sometimes things like that bug me and I have to correct them.


First time the black knight scene has ever been described as "dry". Most people would call it wet. Even the guy at the Cheese Shop would say "it's a bit runny..."I was talking about the British sense of humour in general...:worldpeace:

ChampionTexan
05-23-2013, 12:53 PM
Just a thought. Dobbins was IR'ed the beginning of Jan (4 1/2 months ago). The reason given was a nondescriptive "serious right ankle injury (http://www.13wham.com/sports/story/Texans-send-LB-Dobbins-to-IR/9iq5Vv-B5UOj4uwJjLr56g.cspx)." If this were a significant high ankle sprain, return to play can easily be as long as 4-6 months or longer. If the high ankle sprain is severe and remains or becomes unstable and does not respond to rehab, surgery may become the only viable option.


[EDIT: ADDITIONAL INFO
Rotoworld (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3959/player) reported the Texans release at the time:



Always get a little uneasy when I see these type of injury reports by the Texans.]

Why would that have him MIA as opposed to in attendance and not participating (ala Cushing and Posey), or off on his own doing recovery/rehab (as in the case of Ed Reed)?

The Pencil Neck
05-23-2013, 01:02 PM
Why would that have him MIA as opposed to in attendance and not participating (ala Cushing and Posey), or off on his own doing recovery/rehab (as in the case of Ed Reed)?

Since it's voluntary, he might have decided to stay home and rehab on his own rather than coming in for it.

EDIT: And he might not have told the team he was going to do that.

ArlingtonTexan
05-23-2013, 01:09 PM
Please keep an eye on Sharpton. His mobility is really good news. I hope he impresses when training camp comes around because at this point I am not too excited at the thought of having Montgomery or Williams being our day one starter. Unless we sign somebody it seems to me our best case scenario would be to have a Reed/Cushing/Sharpton/Mercilus LB Core. Hope Sharpton can stay healthy.

My guess is that this is what the Texans brass hopes happens.

CloakNNNdagger
05-23-2013, 01:21 PM
Why would that have him MIA as opposed to in attendance and not participating (ala Cushing and Posey), or off on his own doing recovery/rehab (as in the case of Ed Reed)?

Can't really answer that question at this time any better than The Pencil Neck. Just offering a viable explanation for why he isn't present. With Kubiak's short cryptic response of "It's voluntary," I think that it's just as likely Kubiak may know more than he is revealing.........and he is not very happy.

Playoffs
05-23-2013, 01:21 PM
PDS ‏@PatDStat
Punter update: Lechler was dropping bombs today. Makes a different noise off his foot. Hard time not to be impressed. #Texans

Cushing working on side field. Looks good,moving well. Not a minute goes by where he is not rehabbing or doing something productive

JJo pointed out what Kareem said about McCain. Having him back makes the secondary better. #Texans

Arian Foster has been quiet with the media. Looks focused on the field and not much to say in general. #Texans

Roc Carmichael once again had good day. His closing speed on routes looks good. Has impressed with his coverage ability.

Talked to JJo after practice, said Eddie Pleasant has turned into a NFL player over the offseason.

Brooks Reed showed some coverage skills today. Made some tough throws for the quarterbacks. #Texans

Hard not to like the early start for Keshawn Martin. Looks much more confident and making a nice compliment to #80 and #10. #TexansPDS

The #Texans TEs look good. Daniels, Graham and Griffin caught everything. Position group looks strong. #Texans

Delano Johnson looks very good at his new position. His ability to run at 290 lbs. makes him an intersting fit at DE. #Texans

Dennis Johnson just keeps impressing. He is able to turn corners with ease with the football in his hands. #Texans

Cierre Wood had a good running day. Looked good with his vision, but still work to do on pass protection. #Texans

If this would have been live Kareem Jackson and Danieal Manning would have had some wide receivers laid out. Both had good days. #Texans

The secondary was on top of their game. JJo was solid in coverage and had Andre and DeAndre working hard for everything today. #Texans

Yates looked much more confident in the pocket and

TJ Yates looked good throwing the football. Made some big throws to Martin and Hopkins. #Texans

deucetx
05-23-2013, 01:37 PM
Why?

We've already seen that last year. Reed & Whitney on the ends isn't going to get us the pass rush we need. We need to get better.

I don't know that Montgomery or Williams is the answer, but I'm not "worried" about them starting. If Wade thinks it's worth a shot..... go for it. Can't get a whole lot worse.

Completely agree. I hear folks talk about experience but when have we had much experience on the outside anyway? Third year in this system so none of our guys have a ton. Ironically, Barwin and Reed did better when they didn't have any experience as 3-4 OLB's. Go figure. Experience means nothing if you can't produce and right now I'm not overly anxious to see Reed outside again.

My guess is that this is what the Texans brass hopes happens.

I doubt it. They invested two picks in OLB this year, Merci last year and Braman on roster. That right there is four guys not going anywhere. That means they already have a heavy investment in the position moreso than ILB where they made no moves. What they want is Montgomery or Williams to establish themselves because they become much more flexible if Reed slides inside giving them more balance. Plus it makes those two picks wasted and personnel folks can't stand that.

And while Sharpton is an 'okay' player he isn't very solid or that good. He's a good rotational guy but barely different than Dobbins (if at all). Might as well what Dobbins starting. I think Reed can give more at the spot but nothing to base that on really. Not to forget that a large gust of wind may break Sharpton in half *knocks on wood*

ArlingtonTexan
05-23-2013, 01:50 PM
Completely agree. I hear folks talk about experience but when have we had much experience on the outside anyway? Third year in this system so none of our guys have a ton. Ironically, Barwin and Reed did better when they didn't have any experience as 3-4 OLB's. Go figure. Experience means nothing if you can't produce and right now I'm not overly anxious to see Reed outside again.



I doubt it. They invested two picks in OLB this year, Merci last year and Braman on roster. That right there is four guys not going anywhere. That means they already have a heavy investment in the position moreso than ILB where they made no moves. What they want is Montgomery or Williams to establish themselves because they become much more flexible if Reed slides inside giving them more balance. Plus it makes those two picks wasted and personnel folks can't stand that.

And while Sharpton is an 'okay' player he isn't very solid or that good. He's a good rotational guy but barely different than Dobbins (if at all). Might as well what Dobbins starting. I think Reed can give more at the spot but nothing to base that on really. Not to forget that a large gust of wind may break Sharpton in half *knocks on wood*

The exact group of people picked all the players discussed in the top 4 rounds of the draft, so wasted draft picks is not relevant at all.

while they drafted OLBs, that does not mean they are excited about starting 3rd/4th round rookies. Kubes and co are more conservative than not and I believe that would rather start "known" quantities Reed and Sharpton unless the rookie or Reed (inside) plays well beyond current expectation.

ChampionTexan
05-23-2013, 01:51 PM
Since it's voluntary, he might have decided to stay home and rehab on his own rather than coming in for it.

EDIT: And he might not have told the team he was going to do that.

Can't really answer that question at this time any better than The Pencil Neck. Just offering a viable explanation for why he isn't present. With Kubiak's short cryptic response of "It's voluntary," I think that it's just as likely Kubiak may know more than he is revealing.........and he is not very happy.

Obviously, anything's possible, but in terms of speculating, I just don't see there's any sort of benefit to Dobbins or to the Texans for handling it that way.

The thing that's the strangest to me is that Dobbins signed a new contract in April. In addition to decreasing (IMO) the likelihood that Dobbins injury was all that "serious" (if it was, they would likely have waited to sign him), it also means he shouldn't really have any problems with his contract (or at least none that he would expect to change by not showing up to OTAs).

Maybe we'll ultimately find out - or maybe not.

Rey
05-23-2013, 01:53 PM
My bet is on Mexican Jail.

ChampionTexan
05-23-2013, 01:55 PM
My bet is on Mexican Jail.

In the infirmary of that Mexican Jail (just to bring the two lines of speculation together).

deucetx
05-23-2013, 02:09 PM
The exact group of people picked all the players discussed in the top 4 rounds of the draft, so wasted draft picks is not relevant at all.

while they drafted OLBs, that does not mean they are excited about starting 3rd/4th round rookies. Kubes and co are more conservative than not and I believe that would rather start "known" quantities Reed and Sharpton unless the rookie or Reed (inside) plays well beyond current expectation.

What are the "known" quantities? Sharpton has barely played and when he has it has been medicore at best. He has a whopping 340 snaps in this defense. That isn't even half a season worth. Reed gave us absolutely no pass rush from the outside so he is hardly a known quantity. We have no idea what he will show or not show outside. So I would hardly call either one of those guys a known quantity.

As for starting rookies, defensive lineups are chosen by Wade who has shown no issue with such. None of our guys have a ton of experience outside. Just don't see them choosing two OLB's and then being hesitant on starting them just because of the round they were chosen. Everything they have said thus far points to them wanting to see Williams or Montgomery step it up to take that role as well.

CloakNNNdagger
05-23-2013, 02:26 PM
Obviously, anything's possible, but in terms of speculating, I just don't see there's any sort of benefit to Dobbins or to the Texans for handling it that way.

The thing that's the strangest to me is that Dobbins signed a new contract in April. In addition to decreasing (IMO) the likelihood that Dobbins injury was all that "serious" (if it was, they would likely have waited to sign him), it also means he shouldn't really have any problems with his contract (or at least none that he would expect to change by not showing up to OTAs).

Maybe we'll ultimately find out - or maybe not.

Only $65,000 of his contract (signing bonus) is guaranteed (his $820,000 base salary is not). And since the injury occurred in the same year of the contract, there may be a question of an injury settlement if he doesn't feel like he will be able to perform. Just another thought. However, like you stated "Maybe we'll ultimately find out-or maybe not."

Rey
05-23-2013, 02:30 PM
Based on what Kubiak said, it seems like fans are sleeping on Braman.

He's starting right now at OLB.

Right now it's his position to lose. Kubiak mentioned how some guys are given that opportunity because of whatever circumstance and how guys tend to relish in the moment and seize the chance.

Dont be surprised if Braman is the starting OLB going into the season with the Rookies spelling him and Merciless in a healthy rotation...

Playoffs
05-23-2013, 02:35 PM
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 8m
"He maybe having the best offseason I've ever seen him have." - Gary Kubiak on Arian Foster.

6th rd pick Alan Bonner had a few big catches over the middle today. Figuring it out but still needs work. #texans #texanstalk.


Manning told me that guys like Andre Johnson and Matt Schaub don't have to be out here at OTAs, but it shows what #texans are trying to do.

SW H-TOWN
05-23-2013, 02:45 PM
Please keep an eye on Sharpton. His mobility is really good news. I hope he impresses when training camp comes around because at this point I am not too excited at the thought of having Montgomery or Williams being our day one starter. Unless we sign somebody it seems to me our best case scenario would be to have a Reed/Cushing/Sharpton/Mercilus LB Core. Hope Sharpton can stay healthy.

Why?

We've already seen that last year. Reed & Whitney on the ends isn't going to get us the pass rush we need. We need to get better.

I don't know that Montgomery or Williams is the answer, but I'm not "worried" about them starting. If Wade thinks it's worth a shot..... go for it. Can't get a whole lot worse.

Mercilus was a 1st round draft pick who had 6 sacks in a limited role, limited role. The Texans will be looking for him to have 10+ sacks as a full time starter. Reed did not have a great year last year and very well might be a better ILB than OLB but you can rest assured that the Texans did not draft Montgomery (3rd round) or Williams (4th round) thinking..."We got our day one starter at the other OLB position." You would have a rookie and a second year player at the OLB positions. At the very most they are hoping with very little confidence, but not counting on having either one of those rookies starting. This is not DeAndre Hopkins we are talking about. There might be a lot of talk about Reed moving inside but that is not the best case scenario given our current personnel.

SW H-TOWN
05-23-2013, 02:46 PM
My guess is that this is what the Texans brass hopes happens.

Agreed.

Rey
05-23-2013, 02:56 PM
Reed going inside is the best case scenario because he's not a good pass rusher.

Hopefully he can fill the role of utility man.

SW H-TOWN
05-23-2013, 03:44 PM
Reed going inside is the best case scenario because he's not a good pass rusher.

Hopefully he can fill the role of utility man.

I agree, he is not a good pash rusher, but who will start for him on the outside that will form a better overall LB core than Reed/Cush/Sharpton/Mercilus. Think they will start a rookie in their base formation? I'm just curious what you think would be ideal given our current personnel.

Texans_Chick
05-23-2013, 03:54 PM
Just a thought. Dobbins was IR'ed the beginning of Jan (4 1/2 months ago). The reason given was a nondescriptive "serious right ankle injury (http://www.13wham.com/sports/story/Texans-send-LB-Dobbins-to-IR/9iq5Vv-B5UOj4uwJjLr56g.cspx)." If this were a significant high ankle sprain, return to play can easily be as long as 4-6 months or longer. If the high ankle sprain is severe and remains or becomes unstable and does not respond to rehab, surgery may become the only viable option.


[EDIT: ADDITIONAL INFO
Rotoworld (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3959/player) reported the Texans release at the time:


Always get a little uneasy when I see these type of injury reports by the Texans.]

At the time we asked the question to Kubiak, he mentioned all the other guys that were there and said that Ed Reed was doing the rehabilitation per what the doctors want.

So maybe Dobbins has a physical issue. But there's other guys with physical issues rehabbing onsite. Doing mental reps.

Typically, if a guy is missing a practice for a reason, Kubiak shares that reason (like player being gone for graduations ceremony or something like that).

Still not there today.

Can't remember a player in Dobbins sort of situation not showing up for OTAs.

SW H-TOWN
05-23-2013, 04:06 PM
Based on what Kubiak said, it seems like fans are sleeping on Braman.

He's starting right now at OLB.

Right now it's his position to lose. Kubiak mentioned how some guys are given that opportunity because of whatever circumstance and how guys tend to relish in the moment and seize the chance.

Dont be surprised if Braman is the starting OLB going into the season with the Rookies spelling him and Merciless in a healthy rotation...

Ok, I found what you think is ideal. Braman and Mercilus at OLB and Cush and Reed inside.

Texans_Chick
05-23-2013, 04:06 PM
I asked two Kubiak questions. They should be on the quote sheet this afternoon because they were recorded by Texans:

1. Re: Offensive line rotation 2. Whether they will have vet player competition for kicker.

Mentioned last years rotation due to inexperience/injury. Asked him what he wanted to do this year.

He mentioned various injuries. Still need to work with group. If he determines he has two solid guys tackle, then he'd prefer not to rotate.

2. As for kicker, he said that UDFA Shapiro is on the roster and can kick and punt, and helps spare legs. It didn't sound from his response that they would be bringing in a veteran kicker.

Here's some info about from agent's press release (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/2/prweb10401425.htm).

“I signed Andrew because he has great hang time (5.0), can directional punt to the left and right, and has a great kickoff leg,” says McBride Baxter. “In addition he kicks field goals and PAT. He has held for a left footed and right footed kicker and he can cover and tackle. He has a lot of speed. He has long legs and potential to be a great specialist in the NFL. He is a great athlete.”
Go here for Andrew Shapiro's profile at Sports Agent Jill McBride Baxter's website.
Some of Shapiro’s accomplishments include:
In 2012 he was the fastest specialist in Fresno State History (4.53 (40), 3.96 (shuttle), 33.5 (vert).
In 2012 he named Honorable Mention All-Conference.
In 2012 punted 64 times for an average or 42 yards and a net of 37 yards.
In 2012 punted a long of 69 yards which tied for the second longest in the conference.
Named National Honorable Mention Punter by College Football Performance Award’s four times.
Named to the All-Conference Academic Team three years in a row.
Named special teams captain as a sophomore in 2010 and again in 2012.
Punted 66 times in 2011 for 40 yards with a long of 54.
Had 25 punts fair caught and 21 downed inside the 20-yard line (ranked 19th nationally inside 20).
Kicked off 17 times in 2011 for 65 yards.
Has kicked of 89 times with an average of 63 yards.
Has 10 tackles and 1 fumble recovery.

Pete Germano, Special Teams Coach at Fresno State in 2012, says that in his twenty years of coaching he has never been around a player like Andrew Shapiro.
“Andrew Shapiro is the most versatile specialist I have ever coached and one of the nicest and brightest young men I have met,” says Germano. “He can kick with both feet, punt, kick off, kick field goals and PAT. He is a great student of the game.”
Special Teams Coach Pete Alamar of Stanford, who was previously a special teams coach at Fresno State, echos Germano's praise of Shapiro.
"His ability to hit a high ball along with his expertise in directional punting and Aussie punting makes him a pro prospect," says Alamar. "Once you factor in his kickoff, field goal and holding skills his potential is limitless."
"His work ethic and passion sets him apart from the competition," says Alamar. "Whoever he competes against better bring their lunchbox. Andrew is truly a 4 tool specialist. He is accomplished at punting, kickoffs, holding and can also kick field goals."


So there you go.

mussop
05-23-2013, 04:07 PM
TC I'm really interested in what is going on at NT. I'm worried that is going to be our achilles heel. I just for the life of me can't see Mitchell being a full time starter and holding up a full season. Please tell me he looks like he's improved drastically over the offseason.

Texans_Chick
05-23-2013, 04:13 PM
TC I'm really interested in what is going on at NT. I'm worried that is going to be our achilles heel. I just for the life of me can't see Mitchell being a full time starter and holding up a full season. Please tell me he looks like he's improved drastically over the offseason.

I meant to focus on the Dline today, but I got caught up watching the secondary today.

I did write about Mitchell in my last blog post (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2013/05/day-2-texans-2013-ota-report-figuring-out-what-to-buy/). In sum, Mitchell looks physically good but he looked physically good last season. You can't tell a lot about dline improvement when they are just wearing shorts, not really wrecking shop anyways. But that I'm not buying big improvement because it hasn't already happened after two years of Wade, and that his numbers last year were not encouraging. And that I didn't like the way the defense played when Cody had to go out with a rib injury--maybe that was a product of just being thin at dline but I'm not optimistic on this point.

Wade has had all-pro guys at DT. And JJ has played well when he moves inside. But as for the rest of the guys who are the DT on the line. Not seeing all pro play. Sonny Harris had some nice moments last year. He got hurt I think on Tues with a foot issue during a drill.

Texans_Chick
05-23-2013, 04:15 PM
Kubiak quotes:

Head Coach Gary Kubiak
(on the first week of OTAs) “It was really good. I’m excited. Our young guys have come a long way. I think the five practices they got in the mini-camp really helped them. It’s been good. We had some good work; not too hot. So, make it through and come back next Tuesday and get going again.”

(on if he’s keeping a close eye on how much the young players grasp) “Yeah. As a matter of fact, I told the team after practice, I think one of the keys to longevity in this League success-wise is young players getting better real quick. It’s fun for me right now to sit here and watch (WR) Keshawn (Martin), to watch (CB) Roc (Carmichael), (DE) Delano (Johnson), (G) Brandon Brooks all of the sudden become pros at a very young age. If we’re going to keep going, be consistent at what we’re doing, guys like that have to step up and contribute right away. I like what I see. I think some young guys have really come in here a lot better football player right now than they were last year.”

(on OLB Brooks Reed) “He’s doing great. First off, boy, bless him. He probably feels like a yo-yo sometimes; he’s bounced around a little bit. We thought it was important that he took his reps inside with where we’re at as a team right now. He’s fine. I mean, he has no problem mentally. He’s looked really good and he’s healthy. He’s coming off that surgery but he’s doing good. For the better of the team right now, that’s where he’s working. He’s doing a good job.”

(on CB Brandon Harris’ injury status) “He’s fine. We’re putting him through the protocol that you would do during the regular season. A guy gets dinged like that, gets knocked out like he did, we’ll put him through the total protocol. You probably won’t see him for a good week as he goes through the process.”

(on what he has seen from WR Keshawn Martin) “It’s automatic for him now. All his talent has taken over because he doesn’t have to work so hard at the little things; assignment, those type of things. He just comes out here and plays. Very confident young man and it shows. It shows every day.”

(on if there is more pressure on QB Matt Schaub after the team has gone to the same round of the playoffs two years in a row) “I think the pressure is the same all the time. I don’t think it changes. (QB) Matt’s (Schaub) goal is to win a championship and we’ve got to get a team that can get that done. He’s got his job to do with the football team. Right now, this time of year, it’s about chemistry of the team. Putting this 2013 group together, we’re going to be different, we’re going to have a different personality and trying to start to put that together.”

(on OLB Whitney Mercilus) “He’s done really good. First off, you can tell he’s confident. Whitney has probably talked more in a day than he did all last year. He’s coming out of his shell from that standpoint. He’s another player; here’s a second-year guy that’s being asked to become a great player real quick. If we’re going to get to where we want to go, those are the type of things that have to happen. He’s off to a good start.”

(on how OLB Sam Montgomery looks dropping into coverage) “He’s doing fine. The position he’s playing, he’s not asked to drop a lot. He has gotten in better shape. I think he struggled the first camp we had that weekend. So he’s in much better shape and then his ability starts to take over. I think he’s progressing well, he and (OLB) Trevardo (Williams) both.”

(on if he plans to change the rotation on the right side of the offensive line from last season) “I’ll do what I think is best for our team and I don’t know what that is right now. (G) Brandon (Brooks) is working as the starting right guard. (T Derek) Newton is out. (T) Brennan Williams has not been able to practice. (T) Ryan Harris is on the right side. We have a lot of things going on right now, but if we have two solid starters that are consistent throughout the course of camp, then that’s the way we’ll go. But I think with what we went through last year, I think those young guys did a hell of a job.”

(on if QB Matt Schaub looks 100 percent) “Yeah. He looks fine to me. He’s had a good offseason. Obviously, he hasn’t missed anything; plays all last year. I kind of forgot about him missing OTAs last year. But I think it’s important no matter how long you play, I think you need to get out here and get some reps in. I’ve got to protect some of these guys and give them days off here or there, some of these older guys throughout these 10 days. But I think it’s important that he goes through OTAs again.”

(on how RB Arian Foster has changed) “How long has (RB) Arian (Foster) been with me now? Four years? Maybe having the best offseason I’ve seen him have. He’s doing something a little different training-wise. He’d have to tell you what he’s doing. I think he looks a little slimmer. I don’t know if he weighs (different). But he just looks a little different, how he’s carrying his weight. He’s been excellent throughout the course of the offseason; expects a lot of himself.”

(on if he’s intending to bring in competition for the kicking position) “Well, the young man we have here now can do both. (P Andrew) Shapiro can do both. But the way camp is set up now with the numbers, whoever that other guy is, and so our other guy is Shapiro, you want him to build it. Do both to take something off the punter and your kicker so you can use those roster spots somewhere else. Our plan is to go to camp that way and let them both compete against him because he’s a kid that’s done both pretty well in college.”

(on what he’s seen specifically from WR Keshawn Martin that has changed) “These three days have been very impressive to me. I just see a guy that, year two, nothing’s hard for him anymore. He understands everything that’s going on so he just comes out here and works and gets better every day. Me sitting (WR) Andre (Johnson) every other day makes him a starter, too, from that standpoint. I’m really excited about what I’ve seen these past three days.”

(on if drafting a wide receiver in the first round may have lit a fire under some of the younger receivers) “I’m sure. You’re (WR) Lestar (Jean) and (WR) Keshawn (Martin) and you’ve been working all last year and we draft a one and he goes in the huddle with the first group. That’ll get you going. But I don’t think in this case that’s what’s happened with them. I think that they’ve been workers the whole time. I think they see opportunity. I think that’s what they see and when guys get opportunities you usually find out what they have.”

(on what is different about QB Case Keenum) “Confidence. Just confidence. Just watching him operate knowing exactly what he’s doing, making all the calls. He’s going to be fun to watch. He’s very competitive right now. That’s a good thing for our team.”

(on QB Case Keenum saying head coach Gary Kubiak’s praise for him changes nothing) “He’s a good kid. I remember talking to (Kevin Sumlin) about him and (Kliff) Kingsbury about him and they said you can say anything you want to him. He’s heard it all. So I’m going to assume they coached him pretty darn hard. He’s doing a good job. He’s come a long way.”

(on if he is bothered at the criticism of QB Matt Schaub following the loss in the playoffs) “Well, we were there because of him. Hell, that’s part of playing quarterback. It just makes you better, pushes you every day. It’s part of your career, part of your makeup. He’s doing fine. He’s had a really good three days.”

(on if he feels he doesn’t need to defend QB Matt Schaub because that’s just the way people are about quarterbacks) “I think it’s part of the job. If you can’t take a little of that in this business, you’re probably not going to last very long. That’s what it’s all about.”

(on if he worries about situations and injuries to players in OTAs like that suffered by San Francisco 49ers WR Michael Crabtree) “Yeah, you do. You get 10 days and to be honest with you, you hold your breath every day. You want to get better as a team. You catch all the young guys up but freak accidents happen. We had (TE Phillip) Supernaw and (NT) Sunny (Harris) the first day. (We) weren’t even in a team period, just running an individual drill and both of them hurt their foot. It’s part of football but it’s the bad part. That’s why you’ll always hear us on their tail to stay of the ground, to protect each other. I think it’s about respect. We usually do a pretty good job but they get tired and those things happen, unfortunately.”

JCTexan
05-23-2013, 04:16 PM
I asked two Kubiak questions. They should be on the quote sheet this afternoon because they were recorded by Texans:

1. Re: Offensive line rotation 2. Whether they will have vet player competition for kicker.

Mentioned last years rotation due to inexperience/injury. Asked him what he wanted to do this year.

He mentioned various injuries. Still need to work with group. If he determines he has two solid guys tackle, then he'd prefer not to rotate.

2. As for kicker, he said that UDFA Shapiro is on the roster and can kick and punt, and helps spare legs. It didn't sound from his response that they would be bringing in a veteran kicker.

Here's some info about from agent's press release (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/2/prweb10401425.htm).



So there you go.

Is there any chance Andrew Shapiro makes the team? With Lechler & Bullock I would think the K/P positions are solidified.

Rey
05-23-2013, 04:17 PM
I had been wondering about Shapiro...

I feel like he really has a chance to beat out Bullock IF he shows some consistency kicking field goals.

Maybe one of them gets put on the PS. I think they'll both hang around though and I think Shapiro would be first in line for the Punter Job when Lechler isn't around.

But regarding this season, Bullock needs to show me something. I didn't see a lot of power on his kick-offs last season...We'll see I guess...

thunderkyss
05-23-2013, 04:24 PM
...but you can rest assured that the Texans did not draft Montgomery (3rd round) or Williams (4th round) thinking..."We got our day one starter at the other OLB position." You would have a rookie and second year player at the OLB positions. At the very most they are hoping with very little confidence, but not counting on having either one of those rookies starting. This is not DeAndre Hopkins we are talking about. There might be a lot of talk about Reed moving inside but that is not the best case scenario given our current personnel.

I'd feel much better if the Texans are following my line of thinking.

vs NewEngland, both times, we all felt the OLBs had to contribute & help Jj Watt. Didn't happen in either game. We seem to be "fine" lumping it all on Matt Schaub, but the truth is we need more from the outside pass rush. Those two guys (Watt & Smith) couldn't have had a better season & we got relatively squat from the outside.

Maybe Mercilus will grow into the guy we need him to be. I'm fine with that, but we do not need to put all our eggs in one basket. Putting those eggs in the Whitney & Brooks basket is just as pointless.

Start Merci, that's a move in the right direction. Move Reed inside, he'll be just as good as anything we had at ILB last year not named Brian Cushing. Then we've got Braman, Montgomery, & Williams to round out our OLB & hopefully one of those guys will make some noise.

At most, I would think they believe Williams will be able to come off the bench & pressure the QB in Merci's old limited role. Hopefully Braman will start & give us what Reed did on the outside at the very least. & Hopefully Montgomery will push Braman for the starting job.

Texans_Chick
05-23-2013, 04:41 PM
Is there any chance Andrew Shapiro makes the team? With Lechler & Bullock I would think the K/P positions are solidified.

Punter is.

We don't know what Bullock is other than a guy who didn't play his rookie year, didn't have an outstanding camp last year, got hurt before the season started.

I don't feel comfortable handing him the job. But hard to imagine an undrafted guy who was mainly a punter in college displacing him.

I'm guessing if Bullock has a good camp, it is his job. And if he ends up blowing in real games, they will get some vet that is available and hope for the best.

Here's my blog post focusing on punting and kicking (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2013/05/a-focus-on-texans-kicking-and-punting-yes-talking-foot-ball/). Also has some info about the limitations of what can/can't be reported from OTAs.

thunderkyss
05-23-2013, 04:41 PM
(on what he has seen from WR Keshawn Martin) “It’s automatic for him now. All his talent has taken over because he doesn’t have to work so hard at the little things; assignment, those type of things. He just comes out here and plays. Very confident young man and it shows. It shows every day.”

(on what he’s seen specifically from WR Keshawn Martin that has changed) “These three days have been very impressive to me. I just see a guy that, year two, nothing’s hard for him anymore. He understands everything that’s going on so he just comes out here and works and gets better every day. Me sitting (WR) Andre (Johnson) every other day makes him a starter, too, from that standpoint. I’m really excited about what I’ve seen these past three days.”

(on if drafting a wide receiver in the first round may have lit a fire under some of the younger receivers) “I’m sure. You’re (WR) Lestar (Jean) and (WR) Keshawn (Martin) and you’ve been working all last year and we draft a one and he goes in the huddle with the first group. That’ll get you going. But I don’t think in this case that’s what’s happened with them. I think that they’ve been workers the whole time. I think they see opportunity. I think that’s what they see and when guys get opportunities you usually find out what they have.”


I'm really liking what I'm hearing about Keyshawn. There was a lot of talk about him last year all through camp & we got to see some of what they were talking about when the season started.

If he's progressing, builds on what he did last year & gaining the trust of Kubiak & Schaub.... that's a good thing. That's a real good thing.

Playoffs
05-23-2013, 04:41 PM
PDS ‏@PatDStat
Hopkins is a fun player to watch during practice and he is just getting started. #Texans

WR is one of the toughest positions to transition to from college to NFL, but Hopkins is doing everything, in my eyes, to get ready.

Don't know where Hopkins will end up as a career, but the #Texans have never had a player of his caliber opposite of Johnson. #Texans

He would go back in line to get that extra rep to get it right. That to me says a lot about Hopkins. Always asking questions. #Texans

Today was one of the first day I saw [DeAndre] Hopkins get frustrated. He puts pressure on himself to be perfect, today it was route running. #Texans

Texans_Chick
05-23-2013, 04:41 PM
Will also note that before OTAs, apparently Lechler and Bullock have been working together on holds etc. Hopefully they've seen enough of Bullock to be cool going into the season.

painekiller
05-23-2013, 04:43 PM
That is Gary P. Nunn's song "London Homesick Blues" on Jerry Jeff's classic album "ˇViva Terlingua!" (anyone without a copy should be deported from Texas immediately).

Sorry, sometimes things like that bug me and I have to correct them.


First time the black knight scene has ever been described as "dry". Most people would call it wet. Even the guy at the Cheese Shop would say "it's a bit runny..."

You are right, Hubbard is "Redneck Mother" thanks for clarification.

That is my favorite song on that album and yes the album is on my Iphone.

Texans_Chick
05-23-2013, 04:44 PM
PDS ‏@PatDStat

Don't know where Hopkins will end up as a career, but the #Texans have never had a player of his caliber opposite of Johnson. #Texans

He would go back in line to get that extra rep to get it right. That to me says a lot about Hopkins. Always asking questions. #Texans

Today was one of the first day I saw [DeAndre] Hopkins get frustrated. He puts pressure on himself to be perfect, today it was route running. #Texans

Coaches were giving him extra coaching. AJ would also help him with some things.

Caught a nice Schaub to Hopkins 30 yard throw. Worried he wouldn't get to it, and S help got there fast, but his ball.

Texans_Chick
05-23-2013, 04:46 PM
I'm really liking what I'm hearing about Keyshawn. There was a lot of talk about him last year all through camp & we got to see some of what they were talking about when the season started.

If he's progressing, builds on what he did last year & gaining the trust of Kubiak & Schaub.... that's a good thing. That's a real good thing.

I was not as encouraged on Martin last year during practice as others were. Does look better this year.

Get worried some that he gets bumped off routes from incidental contact.

In practice, getting to a lot more bread and butter balls.

mussop
05-23-2013, 04:48 PM
I meant to focus on the Dline today, but I got caught up watching the secondary today.

I did write about Mitchell in my last blog post (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2013/05/day-2-texans-2013-ota-report-figuring-out-what-to-buy/). In sum, Mitchell looks physically good but he looked physically good last season. You can't tell a lot about dline improvement when they are just wearing shorts, not really wrecking shop anyways. But that I'm not buying big improvement because it hasn't already happened after two years of Wade, and that his numbers last year were not encouraging. And that I didn't like the way the defense played when Cody had to go out with a rib injury--maybe that was a product of just being thin at dline but I'm not optimistic on this point.

Wade has had all-pro guys at DT. And JJ has played well when he moves inside. But as for the rest of the guys who are the DT on the line. Not seeing all pro play. Sonny Harris had some nice moments last year. He got hurt I think on Tues with a foot issue during a drill.

Thanks TC! Man I'm worried about the NT position. I really wish we would bring in Seymour or Hampton.

Texans_Chick
05-23-2013, 04:57 PM
Thanks TC! Man I'm worried about the NT position. I really wish we would bring in Seymour or Hampton.

Do you see that happening?

I don't see that happening.

Will say I saw some flash plays by Jared Crick today.

But yeah, this is on my mental list of Things I'm Watching Because I'm Concerned.

Of course, every team's fans have their own issues.

Playoffs
05-23-2013, 05:03 PM
Pictures courtesy http://www.stateofthetexans.com/ https://twitter.com/PatDStat

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BK-2RTfCMAA6IZt.jpg
Braman snapping Watt
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BK-08K_CMAAJRJ3.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BK-zWdTCAAABzNT.jpg
Swearinger pre-practice
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BK-z-PMCAAAIj_8.jpg

Number19
05-23-2013, 05:30 PM
...We've already seen that last year. Reed & Whitney on the ends isn't going to get us the pass rush we need. We need to get better...I don't think this is an accurate assessment as regards Mercilus. Whitney became a starter because of injuries late in the season. This year, Philips will design his defense to take full advantage of his skill set. That, plus a year's experience behind him, should make for a good season for the 2nd year player. Maybe a very good season.

EVOLVIST
05-23-2013, 05:35 PM
I meant to focus on the Dline today, but I got caught up watching the secondary today.

I did write about Mitchell in my last blog post (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2013/05/day-2-texans-2013-ota-report-figuring-out-what-to-buy/). In sum, Mitchell looks physically good but he looked physically good last season. You can't tell a lot about dline improvement when they are just wearing shorts, not really wrecking shop anyways. But that I'm not buying big improvement because it hasn't already happened after two years of Wade, and that his numbers last year were not encouraging.

Except, Steph, that in your blog you cited that Earl Mitchell was ranked the 47th best DT in the NFL, with only 3 starts and spot duty in 2012. That’s 31 tackles for Mitchell in 2012 to Cody’s 17 tackles in 12 starts. I wouldn’t call that Mitchell’s writing-on-the-wall; still, as an adjective, “encouraging” would be my pick of the litter.

The stats don’t make Mitchell an all-pro baller. Indeed, they might be more an indictment on Cody’s play when we boil it to bone. Maybe. See, it’s difficult to make projections, yet with Mitchell I ran the ticker and I was surprised at what a quiet little bruiser he’s been as a non-starter. To wit:

Earl Mitchell - Career stats - 86 tackles - 2 sacks - 1FF – 4 Pdef. 3 Seasons – 3 starts

Shuan Cody - Career stats - 190 tackles - 3 sacks - 2 FFs – 9Pdef. 8 Seasons – 68 starts

What I’m missing is TFL stats; nevertheless, I would call Mitchell an upgrade, and if we deem him an upgrade, by inference, I would say he’s at least “encouraging” going into 2013.

I know it’s goofy; moreover, I hated the Mitchell pick at #81 when we could have had Geno Atkins at #120; yet, just for giggles I ran Mitchell’s numbers at his current pace over a 12 year career (as a backup, mind you) and I came up with 344 tackles and 8 sacks. That looks a lot like Casey Hampton, who over 12 years is at 373 tackles and 9 sacks, as a starter with 161 more starts than Mitchell.

I hate to nitpick, but I think I’m On The Nose with this one – at least as far as potential.

thunderkyss
05-23-2013, 06:20 PM
I don't think this is an accurate assessment as regards Mercilus. Whitney became a starter because of injuries late in the season. This year, Philips will design his defense to take full advantage of his skill set. That, plus a year's experience behind him, should make for a good season for the 2nd year player. Maybe a very good season.

Well, I'm not saying Mercilus alone won't get it done. I'm saying Mercilus & Reed won't get it done.

I think odds are better that Mercilus & Braman, Mercilus & Montgomery, Mercilus & player to be determined... is better than going with Mercilus & Reed again.

I like Reed, I think he's a fine player & deserves to be on the field. Just not at OLB.

AngryNateFTW
05-23-2013, 06:51 PM
Today's OTA's!

As you know Texans have signed Sam Montgomery..

Don't know where Hopkins will end up as a career, but the #Texans have never had a player of his caliber opposite of Johnson. #Texans

WR is one of the toughest positions to transition to from college to NFL, but Hopkins is doing everything, in my eyes, to get ready.

Today was one of the first day I saw Hopkins get frustrated. He puts pressure on himself to be perfect, today it was route running.

He would go back in line to get that extra rep to get it right. That to me says a lot about Hopkins. Always asking questions.

Punter update: Lechler was dropping bombs today. Makes a different noise off his foot. Hard time not to be impressed

Cushing working on side field. Looks good,moving well. Not a minute goes by where he is not rehabbing or doing something productive

Arian Foster has been quiet with the media. Looks focused on the field and not much to say in general

Roc Carmichael once again had good day. His closing speed on routes looks good. Has impressed with his coverage ability.

Talked to JJo after practice, said Eddie Pleasant has turned into a NFL player over the offseason.

Hard not to like the early start for Keshawn Martin. Looks much more confident and making a nice compliment to #80 and #10.

Brooks Reed showed some coverage skills today. Made some tough throws for the quarterbacks.

The #Texans TEs look good. Daniels, Graham and Griffin caught everything. Position group looks strong.

Delano Johnson looks very good at his new position. His ability to run at 290 lbs. makes him an intersting fit at DE.

Dennis Johnson just keeps impressing. He is able to turn corners with ease with the football in his hands.

Cierre Wood had a good running day. Looked good with his vision, but still work to do on pass protection.

The secondary was on top of their game. JJo was solid in coverage and had Andre and DeAndre working hard for everything today.

If this would have been live Kareem Jackson and Danieal Manning would have had some wide receivers laid out. Both had good days.

TJ Yates looked good throwing the football. Made some big throws to Martin and Hopkins.

Jackson, McCain and Joseph talked about the "family" mentality they have in the secondary. All work well together.

Joseph also talked highly of Brandon Harris and Roc Carmichael and the big strides they have taken over the offseason.

Enjoy!

mussop
05-23-2013, 08:27 PM
Except, Steph, that in your blog you cited that Earl Mitchell was ranked the 47th best DT in the NFL, with only 3 starts and spot duty in 2012. That’s 31 tackles for Mitchell in 2012 to Cody’s 17 tackles in 12 starts. I wouldn’t call that Mitchell’s writing-on-the-wall; still, as an adjective, “encouraging” would be my pick of the litter.

The stats don’t make Mitchell an all-pro baller. Indeed, they might be more an indictment on Cody’s play when we boil it to bone. Maybe. See, it’s difficult to make projections, yet with Mitchell I ran the ticker and I was surprised at what a quiet little bruiser he’s been as a non-starter. To wit:

Earl Mitchell - Career stats - 86 tackles - 2 sacks - 1FF – 4 Pdef. 3 Seasons – 3 starts

Shuan Cody - Career stats - 190 tackles - 3 sacks - 2 FFs – 9Pdef. 8 Seasons – 68 starts

What I’m missing is TFL stats; nevertheless, I would call Mitchell an upgrade, and if we deem him an upgrade, by inference, I would say he’s at least “encouraging” going into 2013.

I know it’s goofy; moreover, I hated the Mitchell pick at #81 when we could have had Geno Atkins at #120; yet, just for giggles I ran Mitchell’s numbers at his current pace over a 12 year career (as a backup, mind you) and I came up with 344 tackles and 8 sacks. That looks a lot like Casey Hampton, who over 12 years is at 373 tackles and 9 sacks, as a starter with 161 more starts than Mitchell.

I hate to nitpick, but I think I’m On The Nose with this one – at least as far as potential.

Put the stats down man they are making you goofy! Mitchell SUCKS with a capital S. At least he has so far. Maybe he can become something more who knows. But if you think you can multiply his stats and then compare him to Hampton, one of the top NT's in the league you are crazy. That is just silly!!

mussop
05-23-2013, 08:42 PM
Do you see that happening?

I don't see that happening.

Will say I saw some flash plays by Jared Crick today.

But yeah, this is on my mental list of Things I'm Watching Because I'm Concerned.

Of course, every team's fans have their own issues.

No I don't see that happening. That is why I said I really wish. But they better keep those guys numbers on speed dial if Mitchell hasn't improved and the middle of our defense gets pounded to the point where they start getting wore out and injuries start to mount up.

Texanmike02
05-23-2013, 08:52 PM
Except, Steph, that in your blog you cited that Earl Mitchell was ranked the 47th best DT in the NFL, with only 3 starts and spot duty in 2012. That’s 31 tackles for Mitchell in 2012 to Cody’s 17 tackles in 12 starts. I wouldn’t call that Mitchell’s writing-on-the-wall; still, as an adjective, “encouraging” would be my pick of the litter.

The stats don’t make Mitchell an all-pro baller. Indeed, they might be more an indictment on Cody’s play when we boil it to bone. Maybe. See, it’s difficult to make projections, yet with Mitchell I ran the ticker and I was surprised at what a quiet little bruiser he’s been as a non-starter. To wit:

Earl Mitchell - Career stats - 86 tackles - 2 sacks - 1FF – 4 Pdef. 3 Seasons – 3 starts

Shuan Cody - Career stats - 190 tackles - 3 sacks - 2 FFs – 9Pdef. 8 Seasons – 68 starts

What I’m missing is TFL stats; nevertheless, I would call Mitchell an upgrade, and if we deem him an upgrade, by inference, I would say he’s at least “encouraging” going into 2013.

I know it’s goofy; moreover, I hated the Mitchell pick at #81 when we could have had Geno Atkins at #120; yet, just for giggles I ran Mitchell’s numbers at his current pace over a 12 year career (as a backup, mind you) and I came up with 344 tackles and 8 sacks. That looks a lot like Casey Hampton, who over 12 years is at 373 tackles and 9 sacks, as a starter with 161 more starts than Mitchell.

I hate to nitpick, but I think I’m On The Nose with this one – at least as far as potential.

I think you should be punched On The Nose for abusing statistics like that.

Mike

EVOLVIST
05-23-2013, 09:09 PM
Put the stats down man they are making you goofy! Mitchell SUCKS with a capital S. At least he has so far. Maybe he can become something more who knows. But if you think you can multiply his stats and then compare him to Hampton, one of the top NT's in the league you are crazy. That is just silly!!

Hey, ease up on the Cialis, killah. Tell your doctor if you've got an erection lasting longer than 4 hours.

All I'm saying is, for a non-starter his first three years, Mitchell has so far proved his doubters wrong, including myself, who bitched like a b!tch when we took him in the 3rd. I wouldn’t dare make the claim that Mitchell will reach the lofty heights of Big Snack, yet projections based upon stats are something the NFL pundits do all the time. Certainly there are too many variables, but hell, I thought it was obvious that the point of my write up was more of a comparison of Mitchell vs. Cody and how enthusiasm should abound over having a clear upgrade in Mitchell. The big question mark to me is not so much Mitchell, but who is going to back him up.

EVOLVIST
05-23-2013, 09:32 PM
I think you should be punched On The Nose for abusing statistics like that.

Mike

Reading Comprehension: It's not just for grammer schoolers anymore. :thinking:

CloakNNNdagger
05-23-2013, 09:50 PM
Phillips has coached in his 35 years in the NFL (info from ProFootballReference.com):

Nose tackles under Wade Phillips

Jay Ratliff, Dallas Cowboys, 2007-10 (6-4, 293)*
Jamal Williams, San Diego Chargers, 2004-06 (6-3, 348)*
Ed Jasper, Atlanta Falcons, 2002-03 (6-2, 293)
Ted Washington, Buffalo Bills, 1995-2000 (6-5, 365)*
Greg Kragen, Denver Broncos, 1989-91 (6-3, 263)*
Tony Elliott, New Orleans Saints, 1985 (6-2, 282)
Derland Moore, Saints, 1982-84 (6-4, 250)
Jerry Boyarsky, Saints, 1981 (6-3, 290)
Monte Bennett, Saints, 1981 (6-3, 265)
Curley Culp, Houston Oilers, 1976-80 (6-2, 265)*

*Indicates Pro Bowler



Curley "the Stump" Culp was a mountain size in his day, 6 Pro Bowls.

Kragen lighter weight at actually 267 (still not that light for 20+ years ago, only single Pro Bowler.

Ted Washington mountain size in any day was between 365 and 400 pounds, 4 Pro Bowls.

Jamal Williams mountain size at 348, 4 Pro Bowls

Jay Ratliff relatively "light" at 293, 4 Pro Bowls

Ratliff and his elite skills are definitely an outlier even in Wade's career...............and Earl Mitchell is no Ratliff, nor has he shown anything that can make one believe that he can ever be a Ratliff.

The Big Man in the middle has shown superiority for a reason, the same reason we need one on this team. Wade needs to stop trying to prove a null equation.

Texans_Chick
05-23-2013, 10:08 PM
Except, Steph, that in your blog you cited that Earl Mitchell was ranked the 47th best DT in the NFL, with only 3 starts and spot duty in 2012. That’s 31 tackles for Mitchell in 2012 to Cody’s 17 tackles in 12 starts. I wouldn’t call that Mitchell’s writing-on-the-wall; still, as an adjective, “encouraging” would be my pick of the litter.

The stats don’t make Mitchell an all-pro baller. Indeed, they might be more an indictment on Cody’s play when we boil it to bone. Maybe. See, it’s difficult to make projections, yet with Mitchell I ran the ticker and I was surprised at what a quiet little bruiser he’s been as a non-starter. To wit:

Earl Mitchell - Career stats - 86 tackles - 2 sacks - 1FF – 4 Pdef. 3 Seasons – 3 starts

Shuan Cody - Career stats - 190 tackles - 3 sacks - 2 FFs – 9Pdef. 8 Seasons – 68 starts

What I’m missing is TFL stats; nevertheless, I would call Mitchell an upgrade, and if we deem him an upgrade, by inference, I would say he’s at least “encouraging” going into 2013.

I know it’s goofy; moreover, I hated the Mitchell pick at #81 when we could have had Geno Atkins at #120; yet, just for giggles I ran Mitchell’s numbers at his current pace over a 12 year career (as a backup, mind you) and I came up with 344 tackles and 8 sacks. That looks a lot like Casey Hampton, who over 12 years is at 373 tackles and 9 sacks, as a starter with 161 more starts than Mitchell.

I hate to nitpick, but I think I’m On The Nose with this one – at least as far as potential.

Yes, as my blog post noted, Mitchell played better than Cody last year. Though to be fair to Cody, his play decreased after he was hurt.

But if you look at Mitchell's game to game measures by PFF, they've been pretty marginal every year.

And when Cody went out to injury, and the Dline rotation was thin, the defense looked unfortunate. Mitchell's individual grades went up with more opportunity, but not great, and the defense had two of its worst games.

As my blog post noted, my comment wasn't meant as a pro-Cody get back post. It is more of an observation that there has been little that I've seen to suggest that once Mitchell has more snaps, he will play much better. You can extrapolate his stats, but that can be hard to do because sometimes more snaps exposes a player (OTOH, sometimes opportunity allows them to thrive).

All I know is. 1. He looks fit. 2. He looked fit last year. 3. Wade's system can be good to DTs and they can make Pro Bowl. 4. Not seeing any Pro Bowl guys on this line other than Mr. Watt. 5. I hope I'm totally wrong on Mitchell.

infantrycak
05-23-2013, 10:09 PM
Curley "the Stump" Culp was a mountain size in his day, 6 Pro Bowls.

Que? Even in his day he was undersized. Randy White went 260 lbs - 9 pro-bowls, 7 1st team all pro, hall of fame. The Cowboys drafted him with the idea of moving him to LB because he was too small for DT.

Ted Washington mountain size in any day was between 365 and 400 pounds, 4 Pro Bowls.

Jamal Williams mountain size at 348, 4 Pro Bowls

Jay Ratliff relatively "light" at 293, 4 Pro Bowls

Ratliff and his elite skills are definitely an outlier even in Wade's career...............and Earl Mitchell is no Ratliff, nor has he shown anything that can make one believe that he can ever be a Ratliff.

The Big Man in the middle has shown superiority for a reason, the same reason we need one on this team. Wade needs to stop trying to prove a null equation.

Three examples and you choose to throw out the light one (and frankly defined out the other light guy which would have tied things). To me that looks like Wade working with either style and when the talent is there it shines.

There are two possible conclusions here (1) Wade doesn't want a big body or (2) Wade doesn't have as much influence over the draft/free agency as people claim.

Texans_Chick
05-23-2013, 10:12 PM
Phillips has coached in his 35 years in the NFL (info from ProFootballReference.com):

Nose tackles under Wade Phillips

Jay Ratliff, Dallas Cowboys, 2007-10 (6-4, 293)*
Jamal Williams, San Diego Chargers, 2004-06 (6-3, 348)*
Ed Jasper, Atlanta Falcons, 2002-03 (6-2, 293)
Ted Washington, Buffalo Bills, 1995-2000 (6-5, 365)*
Greg Kragen, Denver Broncos, 1989-91 (6-3, 263)*
Tony Elliott, New Orleans Saints, 1985 (6-2, 282)
Derland Moore, Saints, 1982-84 (6-4, 250)
Jerry Boyarsky, Saints, 1981 (6-3, 290)
Monte Bennett, Saints, 1981 (6-3, 265)
Curley Culp, Houston Oilers, 1976-80 (6-2, 265)*

*Indicates Pro Bowler



Curley "the Stump" Culp was a mountain size in his day, 6 Pro Bowls.

Kragen lighter weight at actually 267 (still not that light for 20+ years ago, only single Pro Bowler.

Ted Washington mountain size in any day was between 365 and 400 pounds, 4 Pro Bowls.

Jamal Williams mountain size at 348, 4 Pro Bowls

Jay Ratliff relatively "light" at 293, 4 Pro Bowls

Ratliff and his elite skills are definitely an outlier even in Wade's career...............and Earl Mitchell is no Ratliff, nor has he shown anything that can make one believe that he can ever be a Ratliff.

The Big Man in the middle has shown superiority for a reason, the same reason we need one on this team. Wade needs to stop trying to prove a null equation.

Actually, if you look at the top 10 DTs of 2013 as listed by PFF, most of them are in the 300 lb range. Planetoid guys who can move are uncommon, and they sometimes are prone to injury.

In a league that promotes passing, DTs who can move are valued more than guys who just stuff the run.

The flipside is that if you have a guy who can do both, that is a competitive advantage because few teams have those guys.

EVOLVIST
05-23-2013, 10:27 PM
And therein lays the rub, Doc. I’m not exactly seeing your weight correlation, but I am seeing a list of quite effective penetrating NTs, which Mitchell is certainly not. I believe Mitchell has shown more than Cody that if you want a guy fleet of foot who can diagnose the run and not get gashed too much, then we probably have that in Mitchell.

If, on the other hand, we want the complete 3-4 NT who can both play the run and get to the QB on a consistent basis, then we probably do not have him on roster (unless it’s Chris Jones who is known for his one-gap penetrating style – but he’s even more unproven than Mitchell).

I’m enthusiastic that Mitchell will do a better job than Mr. Funny Man. I’m enthusiastic that Mitchell can do his job and anchor the fort without us getting killed up the middle (time will tell).

Is Wade really cutting against his own grain, though? Or is he simply playing with the hand dealt him? Remember, Mitchell was a product of the ol’ Frank Bush/Rick Smith brain trust. So, where do these one-gap penetrating NTs come from? The 7th round like Ratliff? The 4th round like Atkins (a 4-3 guy), or the 6th round like Jones?

Or like, * gasp * the Bleacher Report says about Chris Jones: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1620831-chris-jones-to-texans-how-does-dt-fit-with-houston

CloakNNNdagger
05-23-2013, 10:44 PM
Que? Even in his day he was undersized. Randy White went 260 lbs - 9 pro-bowls, 7 1st team all pro, hall of fame. The Cowboys drafted him with the idea of moving him to LB because he was too small for DT.



I know that you grew up in Dallas with Randy White. I grew up in Kansas City with Curley Culp. Culp was actually considered short (measured out at 6'1") for his position, far from light (265) in his day. Buck Buchanan, considered large played next to him at 270, but was 6'7".

mussop
05-23-2013, 10:54 PM
And therein lays the rub, Doc. I’m not exactly seeing your weight correlation, but I am seeing a list of quite effective penetrating NTs, which Mitchell is certainly not. I believe Mitchell has shown more than Cody that if you want a guy fleet of foot who can diagnose the run and not get gashed too much, then we probably have that in Mitchell.

If, on the other hand, we want the complete 3-4 NT who can both play the run and get to the QB on a consistent basis, then we probably do not have him on roster (unless it’s Chris Jones who is known for his one-gap penetrating style – but he’s even more unproven than Mitchell).

I’m enthusiastic that Mitchell will do a better job than Mr. Funny Man. I’m enthusiastic that Mitchell can do his job and anchor the fort without us getting killed up the middle (time will tell).

Is Wade really cutting against his own grain, though? Or is he simply playing with the hand dealt him? Remember, Mitchell was a product of the ol’ Frank Bush/Rick Smith brain trust. So, where do these one-gap penetrating NTs come from? The 7th round like Ratliff? The 4th round like Atkins (a 4-3 guy), or the 6th round like Jones?

Or like, * gasp * the Bleacher Report says about Chris Jones: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1620831-chris-jones-to-texans-how-does-dt-fit-with-houston

Cody was below average and yet Mitchell never could beat him out. That should tell you all you need to know. I foresee Mitchell taking Walters place as the new Texans fans whipping boy. I hope I'm wrong and he light it up but I just don't see it.

DocBar
05-23-2013, 11:27 PM
Phillips has coached in his 35 years in the NFL (info from ProFootballReference.com):

Nose tackles under Wade Phillips

Jay Ratliff, Dallas Cowboys, 2007-10 (6-4, 293)*
Jamal Williams, San Diego Chargers, 2004-06 (6-3, 348)*
Ed Jasper, Atlanta Falcons, 2002-03 (6-2, 293)
Ted Washington, Buffalo Bills, 1995-2000 (6-5, 365)*
Greg Kragen, Denver Broncos, 1989-91 (6-3, 263)*
Tony Elliott, New Orleans Saints, 1985 (6-2, 282)
Derland Moore, Saints, 1982-84 (6-4, 250)
Jerry Boyarsky, Saints, 1981 (6-3, 290)
Monte Bennett, Saints, 1981 (6-3, 265)
Curley Culp, Houston Oilers, 1976-80 (6-2, 265)*

*Indicates Pro Bowler



Curley "the Stump" Culp was a mountain size in his day, 6 Pro Bowls.

Kragen lighter weight at actually 267 (still not that light for 20+ years ago, only single Pro Bowler.

Ted Washington mountain size in any day was between 365 and 400 pounds, 4 Pro Bowls.

Jamal Williams mountain size at 348, 4 Pro Bowls

Jay Ratliff relatively "light" at 293, 4 Pro Bowls

Ratliff and his elite skills are definitely an outlier even in Wade's career...............and Earl Mitchell is no Ratliff, nor has he shown anything that can make one believe that he can ever be a Ratliff.

The Big Man in the middle has shown superiority for a reason, the same reason we need one on this team. Wade needs to stop trying to prove a null equation.That's an average weight of 306 for pro bowl NT's under Phillips. Hardly a ringing endorsement for a heavy weight at the position.

Also an average weight of 264.4 for all of the NT's you listed. I don't get it.

ChampionTexan
05-23-2013, 11:48 PM
Also an average weight of 264.4 for all of the NT's you listed. I don't get it.

It's skewed by the how far back some of those statistics go. If you look at a roster of the Oilers for the 1976 season, you'll see the heaviest player on the team was 267 pounds. Curley Culp was only 2 pounds behind at 265.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/oti/1976_roster.htm

In fact, if you start from the bottom up, you have to go all the way to the 1990 Broncos that Kragen played on before you even find a roster that had a player at 300 pounds (the 1989 Broncos maxed out at 290). That means that Wade coached the first 14 of those 35 years without even having a 300 pounder on his team's roster, much less playing nose tackle.

beerlover
05-24-2013, 01:13 AM
let's not forget, anybody is going to look good playing next to JJ Watt :swatter:

also everyone on that line practices & learns from him, elevating their games as well.

tricky business to project just pure nose guards because they flip & rotate so much. Mitchell is the clear front runner, young & now nearly developed into a polished starter IMO. After which rookie 6th rd. draft choice Chris Jones stands an excellent chance to back-up Earl & rotate. In fact I'm almost certain Texans will go heavy @ DE over nose, several which could also kick inside, Jared Crick, Sunny Harris or David Hunter. That would effectively give Texans five possible combinations inside.

thunderkyss
05-24-2013, 06:56 AM
Hey, ease up on the Cialis, killah.

All I'm saying is, for a non-starter his first three years, Mitchell has so far proved his doubters wrong, including myself, who bitched like a b!tch when we took him in the 3rd.


I like what you've done. Sorry I hadn't jumped in earlier, but you make a pretty good argument.


yet projections based upon stats are something the NFL pundits do all the time.


Fuggit... your numbers show he's been productive in the past. More productive than we perceive. That's good enough.

He's also being promoted to starter, in Wade's eyes, he's earned the spot. Imo, we need to forget what we know about the traditional NT & try to understand what Wade is doing.

Certainly there are too many variables, but hell, I thought it was obvious that the point of my write up was more of a comparison of Mitchell vs. Cody and how enthusiasm should abound over having a clear upgrade in Mitchell.

That's the way I read it.

thunderkyss
05-24-2013, 07:12 AM
And when Cody went out to injury, and the Dline rotation was thin, the defense looked unfortunate. Mitchell's individual grades went up with more opportunity, but not great, and the defense had two of its worst games.

As my blog post noted, my comment wasn't meant as a pro-Cody get back post. It is more of an observation that there has been little that I've seen to suggest that once Mitchell has more snaps, he will play much better.

I can't wait to see what the defense will look like with Cushing & Reed behind him instead of tweedle-dee & tweedle-dum

thunderkyss
05-24-2013, 07:20 AM
Cody was below average and yet Mitchell never could beat him out. That should tell you all you need to know.


Tells me you're not on the same page with Wade.

Rey
05-24-2013, 07:31 AM
Earl is about to go off this year. It was apparent last year that Cody should not be starting over him moving forward. Some of that was due to Cody's injuries, but IMO earl played well at the position. The mobility he brings to the position is special.

deucetx
05-24-2013, 08:47 AM
And when Cody went out to injury, and the Dline rotation was thin, the defense looked unfortunate. Mitchell's individual grades went up with more opportunity, but not great, and the defense had two of its worst games.



I wouldn't put that as part of your equation on the NT because they played about half the defensive snaps. They weren't part of the issue in those games. I think it has been well documented that Wade does generally not keep the NT out there on passing downs/spread formations and our worse defensive efforts came against the spread meaning the NT doesn't have that much of an impact.

For example, one of those games was Jacksonville part deux. Total defensive snaps was 68. Earl Mitchell only had 36 of those snaps (4 went to McClain)

Detroit was the other. Total defensive snaps around 91. Mitchell was in 41 (McClain 2). In fact, our 3rd safety was in more with Demps in there for 51 snaps. It's one reason why I tell others that the Swearinger pick is more important than they realize.

That means the position has less impact than most are making it out to be. Important? Course as every position is. At the same time not like a team can afford to pay every spot so you have weigh the importance of each in your scheme. For ours and against todays NFL the NT is not that impactful unless Wade switches things up which I am guessing would take one hell of a NT to make happen. Those aren't easy to find (or should we say afford lol).

Heck, against the Packers and Patriots part deux we didn't even start the NT. We immediately leaped into Wade's passing defense. So I'm okay with Mitchell as being 'servicable' because that is about all he is at this point. At the same time we could use something behind him as we have saw little of McClain to say much. I'm thinking Crick may get in there more than we think.

Texans_Chick
05-24-2013, 09:25 AM
I wouldn't put that as part of your equation on the NT because they played about half the defensive snaps. They weren't part of the issue in those games. I think it has been well documented that Wade does generally not keep the NT out there on passing downs/spread formations and our worse defensive efforts came against the spread meaning the NT doesn't have that much of an impact.

For example, one of those games was Jacksonville part deux. Total defensive snaps was 68. Earl Mitchell only had 36 of those snaps (4 went to McClain)

Detroit was the other. Total defensive snaps around 91. Mitchell was in 41 (McClain 2). In fact, our 3rd safety was in more with Demps in there for 51 snaps. It's one reason why I tell others that the Swearinger pick is more important than they realize.

That means the position has less impact than most are making it out to be. Important? Course as every position is. At the same time not like a team can afford to pay every spot so you have weigh the importance of each in your scheme. For ours and against todays NFL the NT is not that impactful unless Wade switches things up which I am guessing would take one hell of a NT to make happen. Those aren't easy to find (or should we say afford lol).

Heck, against the Packers and Patriots part deux we didn't even start the NT. We immediately leaped into Wade's passing defense. So I'm okay with Mitchell as being 'servicable' because that is about all he is at this point. At the same time we could use something behind him as we have saw little of McClain to say much. I'm thinking Crick may get in there more than we think.


Chickens and eggs. Is the reason why a true DT doesn't see the field a ton because a different defensive lineup gives them a better chance to win? Does this create problems for the Texans against more balanced offenses where you can't load up on either the run or the pass?

My greater point was just some were predicting Earl Mitchell would have a breakout season because he looks good. My blog post was, hey, he looked good going into OTAs last season too, but there is little reason to believe that all of a sudden Mitchell is going to be a player that we haven't seen in previous games.

Pro arguments for Mitchell improving?

More time with Cody gone.
Defensive linemen not named JJ Watt sometimes need more time to get better at what they do and become full growed mens.


Anti arguments for Mitchell improving?

His individual PFF numbers in limited time have stayed about the same the entire time he's been with the team.
If he was that good, he'd already be seeing the field more than he had.
In the games that Cody was out, the defense played poorly, and his individual numbers via PFF are sort of average.
Under Wade's defense, DTs can excel, make Pro Bowls. Nothing in EM's performance to date suggests that will happen.
Sometimes with more snaps, a player improves, but often it exposes their weaknesses unless they are an outstanding player.

I think the arguments for EM having a "breakout year" are wishful thinking. I think they may have a rotation of guys, and just hope that it isn't something that is exposed.

deucetx
05-24-2013, 11:02 AM
Anti arguments for Mitchell improving?

His individual PFF numbers in limited time have stayed about the same the entire time he's been with the team.
If he was that good, he'd already be seeing the field more than he had.
In the games that Cody was out, the defense played poorly, and his individual numbers via PFF are sort of average.
Under Wade's defense, DTs can excel, make Pro Bowls. Nothing in EM's performance to date suggests that will happen.
Sometimes with more snaps, a player improves, but often it exposes their weaknesses unless they are an outstanding player.

I think the arguments for EM having a "breakout year" are wishful thinking. I think they may have a rotation of guys, and just hope that it isn't something that is exposed.

I doubt he'll have a breakout year as well but still not seeing where he has to. Just like you brought up the defense played poor when Cody was out but Cody could have been healthy it wouldn't have mattered. He wouldn't have been on the field anyway but partially. The NT is not out there for the spread formations so his presence would have meant little hence what I disagree on. Plus Mitchell's grades in those games were actually positive. In fact, he has had more positive graded games than Cody.

Even in 2011 in a possible 1168 defensive snaps Cody got only 451. I would say the fact time was shared means Mitchell actually did show the coaches something otherwise he wouldn't have seen so much time. When Cody was down did Mitchell have to share time? Nope because no one else warranted it except spot duty.

Since we're talking PFF:

2011 Cody ranked 62nd among DT/NT Overall grade -2.8
2011 Mitchell ranked 64th among DT/NT Overall grade -3.4

Not much difference there.

2012 Cody ranked 63rd Overall grade -4.0
2012 Mitchell ranked 47th Overall grade 1.8

So actually Mitchell's PFF grade did improve unless you're going back to the time before Wade. I'm only focusing on the time with Wade here in a new defensive approach and a coach who actually knows how to tie his shoes unlike the previous incarnations we had here lol.

In any case it illustrates an actual improvement on Mitchell's part. Plus I guess I just find the whole Cody thing a reach. He wasn't good. He was a below average guy in this defense that had a moment here and there so I just can't see how Mitchell can't do the same thing. He already has actually so to me the only difference is we had two servicable guys at the spot where as now we only have one that we know of.

Guess comes down to how you want to view it. Are you looking for a heavy impact guy or someone servicable? Cody was only servicable and I am probably being generous saying that. I don't expect Mitchell to be anything more than that. Anything more is gravy which always is a good topping.

Anyway, nice talk! Feel like I drag it off topic lol. Thanks for the updates from all by the way.

Texans_Chick
05-24-2013, 11:08 AM
I doubt he'll have a breakout year as well but still not seeing where he has to. Just like you brought up the defense played poor when Cody was out but Cody could have been healthy it wouldn't have mattered. He wouldn't have been on the field anyway but partially. The NT is not out there for the spread formations so his presence would have meant little hence what I disagree on. Plus Mitchell's grades in those games were actually positive. In fact, he has had more positive graded games than Cody.

Even in 2011 in a possible 1168 defensive snaps Cody got only 451. I would say the fact time was shared means Mitchell actually did show the coaches something otherwise he wouldn't have seen so much time. When Cody was down did Mitchell have to share time? Nope because no one else warranted it except spot duty.

Since we're talking PFF:

2011 Cody ranked 62nd among DT/NT Overall grade -2.8
2011 Mitchell ranked 64th among DT/NT Overall grade -3.4

Not much difference there.

2012 Cody ranked 63rd Overall grade -4.0
2012 Mitchell ranked 47th Overall grade 1.8

So actually Mitchell's PFF grade did improve unless you're going back to the time before Wade. I'm only focusing on the time with Wade here in a new defensive approach and a coach who actually knows how to tie his shoes unlike the previous incarnations we had here lol.

In any case it illustrates an actual improvement on Mitchell's part. Plus I guess I just find the whole Cody thing a reach. He wasn't good. He was a below average guy in this defense that had a moment here and there so I just can't see how Mitchell can't do the same thing. He already has actually so to me the only difference is we had two servicable guys at the spot where as now we only have one that we know of.

Guess comes down to how you want to view it. Are you looking for a heavy impact guy or someone servicable? Cody was only servicable and I am probably being generous saying that. I don't expect Mitchell to be anything more than that. Anything more is gravy which always is a good topping.

Anyway, nice talk! Feel like I drag it off topic lol. Thanks for the updates from all by the way.

Yeah, I think we mostly agree. That there isn't going to be a breakout Mitchell season. The reason why I mentioned it was because I heard some media person talk about how great Mitchell looked and breakout season this and that, and I was wondering where that was coming from.

I think the idea of two serviceable guys to one serviceable guy and a bunch of question marks is a concern.

Can't find the quote, but I also believe that Wade talked about the difficulty of having fewer guys available for a defensive rotation when Cody was out. And that they were better when he became available.

tru80texan
05-24-2013, 11:34 AM
Can't find the quote, but I also believe that Wade talked about the difficulty of having fewer guys available for a defensive rotation when Cody was out. And that they were better when he became available.

Kind of off subject, but ties into the d-line rotation. What are your impressions of Delano Johnson at DE thus far? I have read that he is impressing some w/ his transition, but do you believe he's capable of earning a roster spot? I realize the pads will show the true story, but if Delano gets into the DE rotation could they possibly use Crick at NT since he is being reported to have beefed up to 295lbs & some have repotted that he could be used there in a pinch. Crick could lessen the dependence on a rookie in the rotation at NT.

Texans_Chick
05-24-2013, 11:37 AM
Kind of off subject, but ties into the d-line rotation. What are your impressions of Delano Johnson at DE thus far? I have read that he is impressing some w/ his transition, but do you believe he's capable of earning a roster spot? I realize the pads will show the true story, but if Delano gets into the DE rotation could they possibly use Crick at NT since he is being reported to have beefed up to 295lbs & some have repotted that he could be used there in a pinch. Crick could lessen the dependence on a rookie in the rotation at NT.

I haven't spent the time I want watching the dlinemen because I've focused more on QB, WR, secondary. Will work on next week.

I'm guessing it will hard to say definitively in shorts. With WR/secondary, you can gauge play a little easier because a lot of what they do isn't supposed to have a ton of contact.

IDEXAN
05-24-2013, 12:14 PM
What's the guys name at DE who went out on IR last year, the 3rd or 4th year guy, Tom Jamison ? Apparently he's still rehabbing as it seems he's not back on the field yet, atleast I'm not hearing any reports about him during these OTAs ?

Brandon420tx
05-24-2013, 12:18 PM
I'm not really worried about Earl Mitchell or whoever ends up lining up at NT. It wasn't inside that JJ needed help from to avoid double and triple teams, it was outside. The OLB's really let us down last year

Texans_Chick
05-24-2013, 12:54 PM
Have to run away soon, but my Day 3 report is fixing to go live on the Chron website. Waiting for editor. Maybe up within 30 minutes?

Later!

CloakNNNdagger
05-24-2013, 01:47 PM
What's the guys name at DE who went out on IR last year, the 3rd or 4th year guy, Tom Jamison ? Apparently he's still rehabbing as it seems he's not back on the field yet, atleast I'm not hearing any reports about him during these OTAs ?

From 3 weeks ago:

Any news on Tim Jamison's ACL?
I don't think I've heard a blip on that end.

I wish it WERE an ACL. It was an Achilles though. No word I've seen. But I would be skeptical as to how much production he would show before the latter part of the season.........and would have to worry about the level of production beyond that. I don't remember reports of him undergoing surgery for it. I hope that they did not opt for nonoperative rehab.....the re-rupture rate and rate of successful recovery is not acceptable

disaacks3
05-24-2013, 02:18 PM
by mussop
Cody was below average and yet Mitchell never could beat him out. That should tell you all you need to know.

Tells me you're not on the same page with Wade. Would that be the same Wade that started Cody over Mitchell all that time? Neither are all that great, but are stop-gap until the Texans no longer have more pressing needs.

I'm not really worried about Earl Mitchell or whoever ends up lining up at NT. It wasn't inside that JJ needed help from to avoid double and triple teams, it was outside. The OLB's really let us down last year Definitely onboard with this. Barwin was "ineffective" at best.

Rey
05-24-2013, 02:33 PM
Would that be the same Wade that started Cody over Mitchell all that time? Neither are all that great, but are stop-gap until the Texans no longer have more pressing needs.

Definitely onboard with this. Barwin was "ineffective" at best.

Kind of contrasting statements.

Barwin did nothing all last year and yet no one else was really given a chance. I understand Merciless was a rookie last year, but he didn't start taking reps away from Barwin really...No one else got a chance either.

I think Braman can do more on the edge that Barwin or Reed and he's not really been given a chance until this off season.

Barwin and Reed did almost nothing last year and no one really got a chance to replace them.

Shilo Keo was kept on the roster over Troy Nolan. Yet when we picked up Nolan again due to Demps injury, Nolan played over Keo.

There are a lot of politics on a football team and sometimes there are more talented players waiting in the weeds that just aren't given the chance. We see it all the time.

Now, I know Earl has played some, but he hasn't been the man at the position before. The fact that he wasn't given a chance to start ahead of Cody is hardly evidence that he's not a better player or won't become a better player now that he will get more snaps.

And if you're going to look at the coaches actions as evidence, who exactly is your starting NT right now? Cody was not brought back and no one else of significance was added. They didn't draft one high in the draft. Didn't sign any Free agents.


My opinion is that Earl will be a good NT. A plus player. I think Cody held the point better than Mitchell because he had better leverage. But I don't thin Earl sucks in that regard. But in every other aspect, I think Earl is superior. He's a far better pass rusher, and he's much better at making plays down the line. He's more active at the position than Cody was. I don't know if he's going to be a super star....But I do think he's going to be good.

disaacks3
05-24-2013, 02:58 PM
Now, I know Earl has played some, but he hasn't been the man at the position before. The fact that he wasn't given a chance to start ahead of Cody is hardly evidence that he's not a better player or won't become a better player now that he will get more snaps.

And if you're going to look at the coaches actions as evidence, who exactly is your starting NT right now? Cody was not brought back and no one else of significance was added. They didn't draft one high in the draft. Didn't sign any Free agents. The bolded is pretty good evidence that he wasn't a better player LAST year than Cody. As for the rest, I'm certain Mitchell IS the current starter, but that doesn't mean he's improved appreciably yet. The fact that they didn't sign an NT or pick up a good veteran one in free agency is proof only that the Texans had other higher priorities.

I think you're equating roster / contract moves with who gets to start on your final 53. They aren't remotely similar. Do we really think the RT rotation last year was more effective without Winston?

Rey
05-24-2013, 03:58 PM
The bolded is pretty good evidence that he wasn't a better player LAST year than Cody.

No, that's evidence that the coaches wanted Cody to start because they felt like he was the better option to start.

You think when Arian was not playing when he got here the other backs on the roster were better than him? Or were they who the coaches trusted more at that time?

I find it hard to believe that all of a sudden when Arian played against NE he magically became a better player than the guys that were ahead of him all year.

Rey
05-24-2013, 04:03 PM
Do we really think the RT rotation last year was more effective without Winston?

That's the point. The coaches are wrong sometimes. Just because they feel they have other viable options or just because they start another guy doesn't mean that it's the correct decision.

That's exactly my point. The fact that Cody started over Mitchell proves nothing other than the coaches that makes those decisions felt Cody should be the starter last year.

Sometimes when you are too close to a situation you make decisions on other things beyond actual performance.

disaacks3
05-24-2013, 04:48 PM
No, that's evidence that the coaches wanted Cody to start because they felt like he was the better option to start. Yes, that's called being better.

That's the point. The coaches are wrong sometimes. Just because they feel they have other viable options or just because they start another guy doesn't mean that it's the correct decision. Evidently, you missed the point entirely. That confusing player effectiveness with roster / contract moves. Hard choices have to be made sometimes. I seriously doubt the coaches were telling Rick Smith "Cut Winston, we'll be better off without him".

Rey
05-24-2013, 04:54 PM
Yes, that's called being better.

No, I think I outlined it correctly.

Evidently, you missed the point entirely. That confusing player effectiveness with roster / contract moves. Hard choices have to be made sometimes. I seriously doubt the coaches were telling Rick Smith "Cut Winston, we'll be better off without him".


Evidently you're missing the point. And I like how you completely ignored my Arian Foster example as well as countless other examples that I shouldn't have to name of better players sitting behind players that started.

It's the same reason you have good players taken in the draft in the later rounds and top players taken that are bust. The same reason you have undrafted Free agents go on to have great careers.

Your logic is silly. I can see if you want to debate actual points regarding their performances, but resorting to the "well the coaches didn't start him" card is kinda weak. This is a message board. We're all aware that the coaches have more information and knowledge than the rest of us, but that doesn't mean their moves are gospel.

Lucky
05-24-2013, 04:57 PM
The fact that they didn't sign an NT or pick up a good veteran one in free agency is proof only that the Texans had other higher priorities.
Right. And with the defense going into the 3rd season under Wade, the NT position has not been a high priority. So as a fan, I'm not going to get that worried about a position the team is not overly concerned with. The Texans have not been dominated on the ground, and the NT comes off the field on passing downs.

Having said that, I have a good feeling about this Chris Jones. Maybe he will be what so many are looking for at NT?

EVOLVIST
05-24-2013, 05:03 PM
That's the point. The coaches are wrong sometimes. Just because they feel they have other viable options or just because they start another guy doesn't mean that it's the correct decision.

Correct.

See: Unitas, John Constantine

See: Blanda, George Frederick

The Pencil Neck
05-24-2013, 05:31 PM
Evidently you're missing the point. And I like how you completely ignored my Arian Foster example as well as countless other examples that I shouldn't have to name of better players sitting behind players that started.

We've had this conversation before but...

Arian is a HORRIBLE example.

He, himself, said that he was in a bad place after not being drafted. When he was put on the practice squad, he gave up and stopped really trying because he thought he didn't have a real chance of playing.

Then when he saw a PS player on MNF get called up, he had a talk with Kubiak and he rededicated himself. As the season went on, he learned the playbook and when he was ready, they started giving him some snaps.

Was Arian more talented than Chris Brown and Ryan Moats? Yeah. Was he ready to play? No.

Also, you make it sound like Arian was just put in the last game of the season and that's not what happened. He was activated for the Titans. Then he saw some action against the Seahawks and he didn't look good. Then they put him in against the Rams and what did he do? He fumbled.

THEN he had a good day (97 yards, 1 TD) against the Dolphins and he finished up with a good day against the Patriots.

They worked him in slowly because he wasn't ready. Not because of some bias against rookies.

thunderkyss
05-24-2013, 05:54 PM
We've had this conversation before but...

Arian is a HORRIBLE example.

He, himself, said that he was in a bad place after not being drafted. When he was put on the practice squad, he gave up and stopped really trying because he thought he didn't have a real chance of playing.

Then when he saw a PS player on MNF get called up, he had a talk with Kubiak and he rededicated himself. As the season went on, he learned the playbook and when he was ready, they started giving him some snaps.

Was Arian more talented than Chris Brown and Ryan Moats? Yeah. Was he ready to play? No.


I think that makes Arian the perect example. Who knows why Mitchell didn't start? Maybe Wade had it against him or eating the last chicken wing. Maybe he didn't "push" enough.

I heard Kollar say even though Mitchell didn't start, he had as many snaps as Cody, meaning they probably saw it as a 1a & 1b kind of thing.

mussop
05-24-2013, 05:55 PM
Tells me you're not on the same page with Wade.

No coach is perfect. I think he is gambling with Mitchell and the NT position as a whole and there is a better than good chance that its going to backfire on him.

This whole "the NT comes out on passing downs" craze is just plain silly. Did Jay Ratliff come out on passing downs? I guarantee you if Wade had a really good NT he wouldn't come out on passing downs. The fact that Wade pulls them here just shows that our NT's (Cody and Mitchell) are nothing more than serviceable.

He'll Mitchell 's best attribute is supposed to be his ability to penetrate. Yet he comes out on passing downs. You guys drink your Mitchell juice all you want. I'm going to wait till be shows me something consistently in games before I stop worrying about the middle of our defense.

The Pencil Neck
05-24-2013, 06:14 PM
I think that makes Arian the perect example. Who knows why Mitchell didn't start? Maybe Wade had it against him or eating the last chicken wing. Maybe he didn't "push" enough.

I heard Kollar say even though Mitchell didn't start, he had as many snaps as Cody, meaning they probably saw it as a 1a & 1b kind of thing.

Arian is a horrible example of someone who should have been playing earlier in the season.

CloakNNNdagger
05-24-2013, 06:43 PM
No coach is perfect. I think he is gambling with Mitchell and the NT position as a whole and there is a better than good chance that its going to backfire on him.

This whole "the NT comes out on passing downs" craze is just plain silly. Did Jay Ratliff come out on passing downs? I guarantee you if Wade had a really good NT he wouldn't come out on passing downs. The fact that Wade pulls them here just shows that our NT's (Cody and Mitchell) are nothing more than serviceable.

He'll Mitchell 's best attribute is supposed to be his ability to penetrate. Yet he comes out on passing downs. You guys drink your Mitchell juice all you want. I'm going to wait till be shows me something consistently in games before I stop worrying about the middle of our defense.

From ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/36294/texans-overlooked-need-nose-tackle) just before the Draft (Paul Kuharsky ):


They combined to play just two-thirds of the team’s snaps (38.19 percent for Cody, 28.22 for Mitchell), with Antonio Smith kicking inside in the nickel package. Cody and Mitchell are asked to stuff the run and force more than one blocker to get at least a hand on them.

Even so, the Texans are allowed to get more than 50 tackles, two tackles for a loss and two sacks from their two primary nose tackles. Which is why they should draft one if they can.

Certainly not very impressive.

thunderkyss
05-24-2013, 06:59 PM
The fact that Wade pulls them here just shows that our NT's (Cody and Mitchell) are nothing more than serviceable.

He'll Mitchell 's best attribute is supposed to be his ability to penetrate. Yet he comes out on passing downs. You guys drink your Mitchell juice all you want. I'm going to wait till be shows me something consistently in games before I stop worrying about the middle of our defense.

Whoa..... not drinking any Mitchell juice.

Yes, Mitchell comes out on passing downs, because he is not as good a pass rusher as JjWatt & AntonioSmith.

Another thing, with the NFL going to more of a passing game, RBs becoming a dime/dozen commodity, & the way our offense generally took away the opposing teams running game, I think the prototypical NT will continue to be very low on our priority list.

Texans_Chick
05-24-2013, 07:04 PM
My Day 3 post is live:

Day 3 Texans 2013 OTA report: First week questions answered (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2013/05/day-3-texans-2013-ota-report-first-week-answers/)

Overheard on Day 3? “Man, in a real game, that would have been a $10,000 fine.” Said after a throw that the safeties would have had a clear kill shot.

Jonathan Joseph looked back-pocket sharp in his coverage. Which is what fans expect of him but after his injuries of last season, it is nice to see.

Texn4life
05-24-2013, 07:05 PM
I don't know of too many Nose Tackles in a 3-4 who consistently played in passing situations.

mussop
05-24-2013, 07:28 PM
My Day 3 post is live:

Day 3 Texans 2013 OTA report: First week questions answered (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2013/05/day-3-texans-2013-ota-report-first-week-answers/)

Curious, who threw the pass that would of ended in a 10,000 dollar fine? I know Schaub seemed to throw a fair share of those passes last season. Poor OD took a licking on the majority of them.

thunderkyss
05-24-2013, 07:33 PM
Curious, who threw the pass that would of ended in a 10,000 dollar fine? I know Schaub seemed to throw a fair share of those passes last season. Poor OD took a licking on the majority of them.

I wonder how they can blame the pass or the QB.

Don't lead with the head. Don't hit the receiver in the head.

No $10,000 fine.

disaacks3
05-24-2013, 07:57 PM
No, I think I outlined it correctly. Of course you do and those poor coaches were just silly to give him 10% less snaps than Cody.

There are a lot of politics on a football team and sometimes there are more talented players waiting in the weeds that just aren't given the chance. We see it all the time.You're subscribing to the 'conspiracy theory' of they just didn't like him then, but love him now?
:kubepalm:

I'll be pulling for whoever is on the field for the Texans, but try and sell the "better player" B.S. somewhere else, I'm not buying...and neither were the guys who matter.

I wonder how they can blame the pass or the QB.

Don't lead with the head. Don't hit the receiver in the head.

No $10,000 fine. If only it were that simple with the "defenseless receiver" rules. Ed Reed was fined not $10K, but $55K for THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1dOmh5NXBw) hit. He lead with his shoulder. Why is it the DBs fault that the WR helmet comes down AFTER the hit?

76Texan
05-24-2013, 08:17 PM
No coach is perfect. I think he is gambling with Mitchell and the NT position as a whole and there is a better than good chance that its going to backfire on him.

This whole "the NT comes out on passing downs" craze is just plain silly. Did Jay Ratliff come out on passing downs? I guarantee you if Wade had a really good NT he wouldn't come out on passing downs. The fact that Wade pulls them here just shows that our NT's (Cody and Mitchell) are nothing more than serviceable.

He'll Mitchell 's best attribute is supposed to be his ability to penetrate. Yet he comes out on passing downs. You guys drink your Mitchell juice all you want. I'm going to wait till be shows me something consistently in games before I stop worrying about the middle of our defense.

Just want to let you know that Mitchell has been WAY MORE productive than Ratliff through their first three years in the league.

And a hair better than Jamal Williams with the Chargers.

thunderkyss
05-24-2013, 08:33 PM
If only it were that simple with the "defenseless receiver" rules. Ed Reed was fined not $10K, but $55K for THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1dOmh5NXBw) hit. He lead with his shoulder. Why is it the DBs fault that the WR helmet comes down AFTER the hit?

Still can't blame it on the pass or the QB. Poor officiating.... but not on the pass.

drs23
05-24-2013, 09:18 PM
I'll be pulling for whoever is on the field for the Texans, but try and sell the "better player" B.S. somewhere else, I'm not buying...and neither were the guys who matter.

...and remind me where Cody is now? And why is another player wearing his ex-number now? I predict no drop off in NT production and possibly an increase. We'll all see together.

CloakNNNdagger
05-24-2013, 09:59 PM
Just want to let you know that Mitchell has been WAY MORE productive than Ratliff through their first three years in the league.

And a hair better than Jamal Williams with the Chargers.

FWIW, Ratliff came to the Cowboys during a 3-4 D transition (2005) after 45years of a 4-3. On top of that, he had just prior transitioned in his senior year from a 4-3 DE to a 4-3 DT. I would suspect that there was some significant "acclimation" going on during those first couple of years with the Cowboys.

tru80texan
05-24-2013, 11:01 PM
...and remind me where Cody is now? And why is another player wearing his ex-number now? I predict no drop off in NT production and possibly an increase. We'll all see together.

Answers:
1) On the street.
2) Refer back to answer #1

I too believe there will be no drop off in production at NT w/ Mitchell & very easily could be an increase. Cody, IMO, was every bit the Kevin Walter of the defense w/ lackluster production & constantly had his small contributions over exaggerated & glorified.

Im not saying Mitchell will be an All Pro or Pro Bowler, but he is young w/ some potential & obviously has earned an opportunity to be a starter w/ those in charge.

I will miss "On the Nose". Cody was funny.

76Texan
05-25-2013, 01:13 AM
FWIW, Ratliff came to the Cowboys during a 3-4 D transition (2005) after 45years of a 4-3. On top of that, he had just prior transitioned in his senior year from a 4-3 DE to a 4-3 DT. I would suspect that there was some significant "acclimation" going on during those first couple of years with the Cowboys.

Doc, I don't see how the Cowboys' change in D scheme has anything to do with a rookie.

Mitchell was recruited as a TE.
He didn't move to the D until his Jr year.
He did not play much at the nose in the Wildcats 43 defense
Most often, he lined up as a 3-tech Undertackle in college.

CloakNNNdagger
05-25-2013, 07:31 AM
Doc, I don't see how the Cowboys' change in D scheme has anything to do with a rookie.

Mitchell was recruited as a TE.
He didn't move to the D until his Jr year.
He did not play much at the nose in the Wildcats 43 defense
Most often, he lined up as a 3-tech Undertackle in college.


Interestingly, Ratliff was also recruited as a TE and made the transition to DE in his sophomore year. But virtually all of his junior year was screwed up by an early high ankle sprain which made him miss 4 1/2 games only to come back to be used sparingly as rotational DE piece. His senior year was his only year to really gain experience at DT.......a 4-3 position in which he shined.

I guess I brought this up in the context that position changes and scheme changes can take time with some players over others, and be kinder to some and rather "cruel" to others.

It is difficult for me to see Mitchell used in the same sentence as Ratliff as an interchangeable part. But, from all looks, it appears that Wade is Hell-bent to make it work.

After Cody suffered his original disc injury, I suggested that without long-term rest and rehab, he could very well be dealing with this problem throughout the season. I feel that if Cody was not hampered throughout the 2012 season with a disc problem, he could have developed into a better fit than Mitchell can be expected to. We will all have to wait and see. But meanwhile, I will keep hoping that something more promising reveals itself between now and the beginning of the season.

Texans_Chick
05-25-2013, 09:26 AM
Curious, who threw the pass that would of ended in a 10,000 dollar fine? I know Schaub seemed to throw a fair share of those passes last season. Poor OD took a licking on the majority of them.

Not certain, so I didn't say it. Not sure if I knew for sure I'd even want to say because people blow up selective things bigger than just one play which seems a little unfair.

Will say that JJo was plaguing Schaub on Day 3. Busted up plays to both AJ and Hopkins.

OTOH, Schaub to Hopkins 30 yards down field was a thing to behold. Didn't think Hopkins was going to get it but I love how when the ball is in the air, he just has more want to for it. He attacks the ball, doesn't just wait for it.

It's weird to talk of wide receivers being aggressive, but with his hands/body positioning, he collects the ball as soon as it is anywhere near him.

(I know there was a Chron article talking about how Martin and Jean are better this year. And they are. And that they are ahead of Hopkins in the playbook. And they are. But Hopkins is just such a fun receiver to watch in ways that the collection of WRs post-AJ aren't. Both AJ and Hopkins are the kind of receivers who do stuff in practice that make you go whoa a couple of times a practice. There's a reason why Hopkins is playing with the 1s--learn up faster, and because whoa that upside. Love watching him play.)

Playoffs
05-25-2013, 04:45 PM
...Schaub to Hopkins 30 yards down field was a thing to behold. Didn't think Hopkins was going to get it but I love how when the ball is in the air, he just has more want to for it. He attacks the ball, doesn't just wait for it.

It's weird to talk of wide receivers being aggressive, but with his hands/body positioning, he collects the ball as soon as it is anywhere near him.

(I know there was a Chron article talking about how Martin and Jean are better this year. And they are. And that they are ahead of Hopkins in the playbook. And they are. But Hopkins is just such a fun receiver to watch in ways that the collection of WRs post-AJ aren't. Both AJ and Hopkins are the kind of receivers who do stuff in practice that make you go whoa a couple of times a practice. There's a reason why Hopkins is playing with the 1s--learn up faster, and because whoa that upside. Love watching him play.)http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/hapydancsmil.gifhttp://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g439/exatera/smileys/happy%20dance/zrunningamok.gifhttp://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g439/exatera/smileys/happy%20dance/bf-swinging.gif

b0ng
05-25-2013, 11:14 PM
Pat Starr's assessment of OTA's Day 3

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/texans-otas-day-three-recap/

- Andre Johnson and Owen Daniels were practicing on the jugs machine today with shoe string catches. The machine was five yards away and neither Johnson or Daniels dropped a pass. The two veterans work constantly on their craft whenever they can.

I think this is a quality writer and is a good twitter follow

@PatDStat (http://www.twitter.com/PatDStat)

MistaRed
05-28-2013, 01:17 PM
Arian Foster left practice today with a "strained calf".

ArlingtonTexan
05-28-2013, 01:28 PM
Arian Foster left practice today with a "strained calf".

linkage

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/28/foster-carted-off-from-texans-practice-with-calf-injury/


does not appear to be serious at the current moment.

IDEXAN
05-28-2013, 01:33 PM
Don't think that's usually a serious injury, not like a pulled groin or hammy ?

Playoffs
05-28-2013, 01:42 PM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield 5m
Andre Johnson on Arian Foster (calf): "I don’t think it’s anything serious. I think if it was, he would've said something."

PDS ‏@PatDStat 7m
Watching JJ Watt work today in drills is unreal. His footwork and ability to change direction is special. Leads every drill. #Texans

Talked to DeVier Posey said he is getting close to be cleared to run again. #Texans

Heat, humidity and Memorial Day weekend were the winners today at Day 4 of OTAs. #Texans

Interceptions everywhere. Kareem Jackson, DJ Swearinger, Orhian Johnson and Willie Jefferson all had interceptions. #Teans

Foster took the first handoff and took two steps and Immediately went off, good news for the #Texans it is a calf strain per Coach Kubiak.

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 19m
FWIW Arian Foster sat for a while watching practice with ice on calf before taking cart back to Reliant. No immediate cart off

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 24m
"Keshawn, he looks comfortable, that's the one thing that stands out," Andre Johnson on Keshawn Martin. #Texans

Texn4life
05-28-2013, 01:46 PM
In before Doc posts and scares the crap out of all of us.

ChampionTexan
05-28-2013, 01:52 PM
Houston Texans ‏@HoustonTexans 12m

Kubiak very impressed with @bbrooks_79, says he essentialy made him starter at right guard during OTAs.

Playoffs
05-28-2013, 01:59 PM
Houston Texans ‏@HoustonTexans 12m

Kubiak very impressed with @bbrooks_79, says he essentialy made him starter at right guard during OTAs.

Great news on Brandon Brooks.

HOU-TEX
05-28-2013, 02:04 PM
Houston Texans ‏@HoustonTexans 12m

Kubiak very impressed with @bbrooks_79, says he essentialy made him starter at right guard during OTAs.

Great news on Brandon Brooks.

Yep, he came on strong towards the end of the season. It's nice to see/hear of him taking it a step further. I think this dude can be great if he continues to progress.

RT's still making me cringe a bit

EVOLVIST
05-28-2013, 02:11 PM
Arian Foster left practice today with a "strained calf".

Thank God! Only the 4th day of OTAs and we can already put the whole vegan bullsh!t to rest now that Arian has left practice early with some veal.

Corrosion
05-28-2013, 02:23 PM
RT's still making me cringe a bit

Yeah me too .... but I do think they are in a better position this offseason than last with the two rookies , Harris and Newton fighting for the spot over an injured Butler and Newton being thrown to the wolves.

HOU-TEX
05-28-2013, 02:36 PM
Yeah me too .... but I do think they are in a better position this offseason than last with the two rookies , Harris and Newton fighting for the spot over an injured Butler and Newton being thrown to the wolves.

True, but not a whole lot better imo. Newton was borderline horrible towards the end of the season. Was it due to injury? That's possible, but he'll be almost starting over again physically. Harris played a tad better last year but not enough to earn the job. As much as I dislike it, it's looking like another possible rotation situation.

Brennan Williams being out again isn't helping with the cringing either. Ha

Playoffs
05-28-2013, 02:43 PM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield 52s
Rookie T Brennan Williams (knee) has yet to practice in OTAs. Could be back next week #Texans

Kubiak said WRs Lestar Jean & Keshawn Martin have been “excellent” in OTAs. Taking advantage of their opportunity #Texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 49s
Bonner needs polishing and time to develop. Very underrated pick for the #Texans IMO.

Alan Bonner has a the physical tools to be a good player. In and out of breaks he is a sight to see and off the LOS he is fast. #Texans

Lestar Jean caught the ball well today. First time all OTAs I have seen him take control on the field. Lined up inside and outside. #Texans

Rookie OLB Willie Jefferson pulled his playoff Watt impression today to end practice. A pick 6 from a rush position. #Texans

The interceptions made by the D today were impressive. More about better plays by the D than poor throws. #Texans

#Texans offense still shaking off the rust, but when they did complete passes they were for some good yardage.

Phillip Supernaw and Sunny Harris will be out for an extended period. Both have foot injuries. #Texans

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 5m
Brennan Williams was still out 2day. Other #Texans out, Supernaw (cast on foot), Sunny Harris (boot), Brandon Harris (concussion)#Texanstalk

HOU-TEX
05-28-2013, 02:58 PM
Tim Dobbins still absent from OTAs.

Corrosion
05-28-2013, 03:05 PM
True, but not a whole lot better imo. Newton was borderline horrible towards the end of the season. Was it due to injury? That's possible, but he'll be almost starting over again physically. Harris played a tad better last year but not enough to earn the job. As much as I dislike it, it's looking like another possible rotation situation.

Brennan Williams being out again isn't helping with the cringing either. Ha

RT , NT and ILB the three biggest questionmarks right now ?! I think so ...

You can add WR to that as well. Its AJ , a rookie , a guy with an achilles tear , an underperforming (last year) LeStar Jean and Martin .... and some practice squad fodder.

NT Earl Mitchell a rookie and Jared Crick from what I understand will see time at NT.

HOU-TEX
05-28-2013, 03:14 PM
RT , NT and ILB the three biggest questionmarks right now ?! I think so ...

You can add WR to that as well. Its AJ , a rookie , a guy with an achilles tear , an underperforming (last year) LeStar Jean and Martin .... and some practice squad fodder.

NT Earl Mitchell a rookie and Jared Crick from what I understand will see time at NT.

Agreed on all points. I've voiced my concern on the ILB and RT positions, but not a lot on NT. You're right though, NT is a bit of a concern. I like Mitchell but he struggles against double teams and is often taken completely out of the play. McClain has been mentioned as a possible rotation guy. Hopefully he or someone else can earn the spot

NastyNate
05-28-2013, 03:28 PM
Thank God! Only the 4th day of OTAs and we can already put the whole vegan bullsh!t to rest now that Arian has left practice early with some veal.

I hate to be "Negative Nate" as my buddies sometimes call me, but calf and hamstring injuries are much more serious than medical staff will let on due to the lingering effects. Not because of severity, but because of the cumbersome repeat strain. A strained calf can be one of those oddball on again off again injuries. Ask a sprinter if he'd rather have a calf or groin injury, I'm sure he'd take the groin.

Just my opinion, YMMV.

thunderkyss
05-28-2013, 04:37 PM
Interceptions everywhere. Kareem Jackson, DJ Swearinger, Orhian Johnson and Willie Jefferson all had interceptions. #Texans


I kind like this.... kinda don't. Where the heck are our WRs? What's up with our QBs?

thunderkyss
05-28-2013, 04:42 PM
Yep, he came on strong towards the end of the season. It's nice to see/hear of him taking it a step further. I think this dude can be great if he continues to progress.

RT's still making me cringe a bit

.........I'm not liking it.

I thought our line was pretty good with Winston & Briesel on the right side (running the ball) & BenJones looked like a better Briesel to me. I figured that would be his spot to lose.

Bbrooks looked more like WadeSmith that one good year he had (don't know how he got a probowl bid last year other than people were voting for Caldwell even though he wasn't playing). & the pics I've seen of Brooks this offseason..... he looks lean & mean.

If WadeSmith returns as the starter at LG, that will be our weak spot.

bhsman
05-28-2013, 04:45 PM
I kind like this.... kinda don't. Where the heck are our WRs? What's up with our QBs?

It's usually a good sign for defenses to dominate early in OTAs/camp.

Rey
05-28-2013, 04:47 PM
I kind like this.... kinda don't. Where the heck are our WRs? What's up with our QBs?

Defense is always ahead of offense at this point.

CloakNNNdagger
05-28-2013, 04:47 PM
Don't think that's usually a serious injury, not like a pulled groin or hammy ?


In before Doc posts and scares the crap out of all of us.

By now, you all should be aware that a strain is a degree of “tear.” I would expect that the extent of the tear will be defined shortly with an MRI. Also, as you should all know, muscle tear recoveries are not always predictable. The best to be hoped for is a Class I tear, where the muscle is stretched causing some small micro tears in the muscle fibers. Full recovery typically takes approximately two weeks, because you want to rest the muscle and not try to stretch it while it continues to try to shorten (spasm). A grade II calf strain means that there is a partial tearing of muscle fibers. Full recovery typically is more prolonged and takes approximately 4-8 weeks. With a Grade III calf strain, considered a very severe strain, there is a complete tearing or rupture of muscle fibers in the lower leg. Full recovery can take 3-4 months and, in rare instances, surgery may be needed.

http://physioworks.com.au/images/Injuries-Conditions/calf_tear.gif



The Texans have referred to this as a “calf strain” and therefore, technically, you would assume that this was not just a simple short-lived spasm as seen in dehydration or deficiency states involving elements such as calcium or magnesium.

http://www.fitnesshealth101.com/images2/injuries/pages/calfstrain.jpg


The problem with calf tears, like with most muscle tears, only somewhat moreso with this muscle group (gastrocnemius muscles and sometimes the soleus muscle), especially with not enough rest and rehab, is re-injury. In fact some sources note as high as 40% can result in re-injury to the same calf......or the other. And, of course as we all know, without proper healing time, compensatory injuries to other structures are also possible. Hopefully, tomorrow we get good news, and whatever the extent of the injury, Foster will be handled more conservatively and wisely than before with his hamstring injury(ies)....especially since a re-injured calf tear can become more of a very long-term chronic problem than with a hamstring re-injury.

[As one last note for completeness, due to the proximity/attachment of the calf muscles into the Achilles tendon, Achilles tendonitis can sometimes share some of the presentation seen with calf strains.....this should be able to be distinguished through the MRI imaging study.]

Believe it or not, my intent on this board is not ever to "scare," but only to inform. Over the years, I have been very impressed with the knowledge base that you have all retained and have also quite impressively been able to begin to recognize that injuries when they do occur are always "scarey"......especially when answers are not readily immediately available.

CretorFrigg
05-28-2013, 05:17 PM
RT , NT and ILB the three biggest questionmarks right now ?! I think so ...

You can add WR to that as well. Its AJ , a rookie , a guy with an achilles tear , an underperforming (last year) LeStar Jean and Martin .... and some practice squad fodder.

NT Earl Mitchell a rookie and Jared Crick from what I understand will see time at NT.

I'm not too worried about WR. Yeah, there are going to be question marks, but I have faith in Hopkins and the development of Martin. From all reports right now, it sounds like they're doing well.

I liked what I saw from Earl Mitchell last year. I don't know the stats, but I know what I saw. I saw a guy always in the backfield making plays, and then coming back out to sit on the bench so Cody could come back in.

Also, I hate to be that guy that always brings it up, but my biggest concern is QB. Schaub really underperformed near the end of the season last year. There's really no reason to believe he's suddenly going to get any better this time around at 32.

It's nice to read reports on our defense getting picks, but that also means there's a QB throwing pick without too much pressure (it's practice), and that is unacceptable.

thunderkyss
05-28-2013, 05:34 PM
I'm not too worried about WR. Yeah, there are going to be question marks, but I have faith in Hopkins and the development of Martin. From all reports right now, it sounds like they're doing well.

& we've also got OD & Graham. They won't be able to provide the help a quality WR2 could, but they should be able to help us move the chains & keep Schaub out of trouble.

If we can get a big play or two out of Hopkins every now & then, maybe that will be enough to keep defenses more honest than not.

SAMURAITEXAN
05-28-2013, 06:01 PM
By now, you all should be aware that a strain is a degree of “tear.” I would expect that the extent of the tear will be defined shortly with an MRI. Also, as you should all know, muscle tear recoveries are not always predictable. The best to be hoped for is a Class I tear, where the muscle is stretched causing some small micro tears in the muscle fibers. Full recovery typically takes approximately two weeks, because you want to rest the muscle and not try to stretch it while it continues to try to shorten (spasm). A grade II calf strain means that there is a partial tearing of muscle fibers. Full recovery typically is more prolonged and takes approximately 4-8 weeks. With a Grade III calf strain, considered a very severe strain, there is a complete tearing or rupture of muscle fibers in the lower leg. Full recovery can take 3-4 months and, in rare instances, surgery may be needed.

http://physioworks.com.au/images/Injuries-Conditions/calf_tear.gif



The Texans have referred to this as a “calf strain” and therefore, technically, you would assume that this was not just a simple short-lived spasm as seen in dehydration or deficiency states involving elements such as calcium or magnesium.

http://www.fitnesshealth101.com/images2/injuries/pages/calfstrain.jpg


The problem with calf tears, like with most muscle tears, only somewhat moreso with this muscle group (gastrocnemius muscles and sometimes the soleus muscle), especially with not enough rest and rehab, is re-injury. In fact some sources note as high as 40% can result in re-injury to the same calf......or the other. And, of course as we all know, without proper healing time, compensatory injuries to other structures are also possible. Hopefully, tomorrow we get good news, and whatever the extent of the injury, Foster will be handled more conservatively and wisely than before with his hamstring injury(ies)....especially since a re-injured calf tear can become more of a very long-term chronic problem than with a hamstring re-injury.

[As one last note for completeness, due to the proximity/attachment of the calf muscles into the Achilles tendon, Achilles tendonitis can sometimes share some of the presentation seen with calf strains.....this should be able to be distinguished through the MRI imaging study.]

Believe it or not, my intent on this board is not ever to "scare," but only to inform. Over the years, I have been very impressed with the knowledge base that you have all retained and have also quite impressively been able to begin to recognize that injuries when they do occur are always "scarey"......especially when answers are not readily immediately available.
Thank you for your info as always Doc!

At least he got off from cart and walked off from training site tells me it is likely that his injury is Grade 1 or in worst case Grade 2(not likely) right? I injured calf myself and it hurts like heck when injured but later, I was able to walk off with a little limp. Like you mentioned on Grade 1 injury, I was OK in a few weeks.

Playoffs
05-28-2013, 06:03 PM
Believe it or not, my intent on this board is not ever to "scare," but only to inform. Over the years, I have been very impressed with the knowledge base that you have all retained and have also quite impressively been able to begin to recognize that injuries when they do occur are always "scarey"......especially when answers are not readily immediately available.

You bring medical reality to what would otherwise be obfuscation and misleading statements from insiders. It is well appreciated.

Playoffs
05-28-2013, 06:12 PM
SOTT: Texans OTAs: Day Four Recap (http://www.stateofthetexans.com/texans-otas-day-four-recap/)

Heading into week two and OTA #4 for the Houston Texans, all of the news centered around the exit of one key offensive starter during practice.

The Memorial day weekend, the Texans heat and humidity set some players back during practice, mainly the younger players. It was a sluggish practice that had it’s moments of good football being displayed, but it’s only OTAs and everything is not going to be perfect...

b0ng
05-28-2013, 06:58 PM
RT, OLB and the second safety spot concern me the most. ILB not so much since we will still have Cushing near him. OLB seems to be the thinner position at the moment with Barwin going away and Reed taking reps at ILB. The other safety spot (ie not Manning) is currently our choice between a recovering Reed and a rookie Swearinger.

CloakNNNdagger
05-28-2013, 07:03 PM
Arian Foster injury nothing compared to DeAndre Hopkins' harsh schooling in Texans pressure cooker

Organized Team Activities — the NFL's version of unofficial spring practice — has a way of growing monotonous. It's still a long, long way till the season, the weather's already hot (at least in Texas) and little that happens is going to truly decide who wins the few jobs really available.

Under this environment, things like a minor calf injury to a star like Arian Foster can blow up (at least briefly) on Twitter and in the news cycle.

But while Foster getting carted away from the practice field (with a strain) on the first day after Memorial Day Weekend figures to be forgotten by training camp, other largely overlooked scenes will live on and leave an impact long into the season. Like Johnathan Joseph taking buzzed-over first round draft pick DeAndre Hopkins to school.


"He gets a little mad when he doesn't make a play. That's good."

It's been apparent to anyone who's watched recent practices. When Joseph finds himself covering Hopkins in a drill, the intensity level ratchets up and the veteran Pro Bowl cornerback gives no quarter.

There's Joseph stepping in at the last moment to break up a sure completion to Hopkins on a slant, flashing a smile as the rest of the Texans defensive backs erupt in hoots and hollers.

There's Joseph matching the rookie stride-for-stride down the field and denying him from hauling in a long bomb.

There's Hopkins getting enough separation to catch a deep pass on Joseph.

No. 24 is pushing No. 10 and he's getting some push back too.

"I love those one-on-one battles," Joseph says. "It doesn't matter that it's practice or OTAs. There's no, it's only . . . It's not just practice. Every day is a competition.

"You have to win those one-on-ones to win games." REST OF THE STORY (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/05-28-13-arian-foster-injury-nothing-compared-to-deandre-hopkins-harsh-schooling-in-texans-pressure-cooker/)

Victor B
05-28-2013, 08:05 PM
The latest Z-Report (http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2013/05/texans-get-a-sc-arian/?cmpid=hpfsln)

About an hour into OTAs this afternoon and during the scrimmage portion of practice, Arian Foster came up lame after a play and had to be helped off the field while putting no pressure on his right foot. He had his leg iced from upper ankle to upper calf and media members at practice all played a guessing game about Foster’s injury.

thunderkyss
05-28-2013, 08:19 PM
So if I were to just show up tomorrow, I'd be able to watch all the festivities? Or do I need to buy a ticket?

Playoffs
05-28-2013, 09:17 PM
The latest Z-Report (http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2013/05/texans-get-a-sc-arian/?cmpid=hpfsln)

And one of Lance's last ..... the Chomical has given Mr. Zierlein his walking papers (https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/339468641034723329) effective July 1.

Corrosion
05-28-2013, 09:54 PM
And one of Lance's last ..... the Chomical has given Mr. Zierlein his walking papers (https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/339468641034723329) effective July 1.

One of two writers from the Crapical that I still bother to read. One less reason to click.

Brisco_County
05-29-2013, 12:12 AM
Believe it or not, my intent on this board is not ever to "scare," but only to inform. Over the years, I have been very impressed with the knowledge base that you have all retained and have also quite impressively been able to begin to recognize that injuries when they do occur are always "scarey"......especially when answers are not readily immediately available.

Whenever my friends and I discuss athletic injury news, I'm usually pretty good about predicting the diagnosis and recovery time. I tell them I have an inside line to a sports doctor.

Brisco_County
05-29-2013, 12:15 AM
And one of Lance's last ..... the Chomical has given Mr. Zierlein his walking papers (https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/339468641034723329) effective July 1.

They're eliminating half the reason I give them any traffic.

bckey
05-29-2013, 02:40 AM
And one of Lance's last ..... the Chomical has given Mr. Zierlein his walking papers (https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/339468641034723329) effective July 1.


They are getting rid of their best NFL/Texans writer. Terrible. I bet a better opportunity opens up for Lance that will be better than the comical.

ObsiWan
05-29-2013, 04:27 AM
So if I were to just show up tomorrow, I'd be able to watch all the festivities? Or do I need to buy a ticket?
I thought only training camp is open to the public, not OTAs.

ObsiWan
05-29-2013, 04:47 AM
Arian Foster left practice today with a "strained calf".

linkage

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/28/foster-carted-off-from-texans-practice-with-calf-injury/

does not appear to be serious at the current moment.

Don't think that's usually a serious injury, not like a pulled groin or hammy ?

Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield 5m
Andre Johnson on Arian Foster (calf): "I don’t think it’s anything serious. I think if it was, he would've said something."

Foster took the first handoff and took two steps and Immediately went off, good news for the #Texans it is a calf strain per Coach Kubiak.

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 19m
FWIW Arian Foster sat for a while watching practice with ice on calf before taking cart back to Reliant. No immediate cart off


soooo... this isn't just a sneaky way for Kubiak to get all those UDFA RBs more reps and/or get Tate more reps with the 1s...??
...it was just a thought....
:tinfoil:

Tesuns
05-29-2013, 05:34 AM
And one of Lance's last ..... the Chomical has given Mr. Zierlein his walking papers (https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/339468641034723329) effective July 1.

And Chron is jacking our subscription prices. :foottap:

Lucky
05-29-2013, 06:52 AM
So if I were to just show up tomorrow, I'd be able to watch all the festivities? Or do I need to buy a ticket?
You would need a media pass.

CloakNNNdagger
05-29-2013, 07:08 AM
soooo... this isn't just a sneaky way for Kubiak to get all those UDFA RBs more reps and/or get Tate more reps with the 1s...??
...it was just a thought....
:tinfoil:

Ice would not be applied if simple muscle cramping/spasm were the case........heat would have been placed.

As far as sticking around for a while and watching on the bench, with a calf tear, immediate rest and ice wrap would be essentially the same for any Class of tear. There is not an emergency need to obtain the MRI or other further acute treatment. BTW, not to be accurately diagnosing the extent of Foster's specific injury, Class II tends to be the most common level of calf tears seen in NFL players. I doubt that the Texans would "manufacture' a scenario that would stir the pot and introduce artificial concern for their premiere RB. There would be too many other acceptable ways that they could offer the other RBs more play time, if that were their goal.

IDEXAN
05-29-2013, 09:17 AM
Injuries to running backs, even starter Foster, never worry me too much because they seem to always find another back to plug-in who can effectively run the ball. Now if you'd say something about Andre or JJ or Jonathon Joe or Duane B. getting injured, you'd make me anxious.

HOU-TEX
05-29-2013, 01:12 PM
Sounds like he got it pretty good. I expect him to be ready by TC

Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26 9m
Gary Kubiak says Arian Foster has "pretty good calf strain." He is on crutches right now, will not practice again until camp but will b fine

htownfan32
05-29-2013, 01:24 PM
Will also note that before OTAs, apparently Lechler and Bullock have been working together on holds etc. Hopefully they've seen enough of Bullock to be cool going into the season.

Aggie network on display, folks :tiphat:

Playoffs
05-29-2013, 01:41 PM
PDS ‏@PatDStat 17m
TE Ryan Griffin also has some drops. Struggles with routes then like a switch he puts a string of good routes and catches together. #Texans

Bonner had some easy catches that led to drops. Then he goes vertical and runs by a corner for a deep ball TD. Has all the skill. #Texans

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 21m
@HoustonTexans OTAs: Keshawn Martin VERY impressed with Shane Lechler. Have to really prepare for his kind of big punts, esp in wind.

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 31m
Ben Tate says that this a big season for him and brought up the fact that this is a contract year for him. #texans texanstalk

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 33m
@HoustonTexans OTA Kubiak comments: Very high praise for Earl Mitchell. Acting like full time starter.

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 38m
Kubiak said he spoke to Ed Reed, who's rehabbing in Atlanta and will be back in Houston for minicamp.

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 39m
Kubiak says #texans Arian Foster has good calf stain. On crutches for a few days. Won't be back out. Until training camp

*****************************************

Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield now
Kubiak on NT Earl Mitchell: "If it’s time to be a big-time guy, it’s time, and Earl’s acting like that right now." #Texans

Backup QB competition: T.J. Yates, Case Keenum split the 1st-team reps in team portion of practice today #Texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 46s
Favorite matchup to watch is Kareem vs. DeAndre. Jackson gives Hopkins fits majority of the time. #Texans

Good to see Brandon Harris (head) and Brice McCain (foot) back at full speed today. Harris had a solid day today. #Texans

I keep seeing rookie cornerback A.J. Bouye make plays. Today was no different. Seems like he is always breaking up passes. #Texans

Really liking the player Garrett Graham is turning into. Him and Schaub looked good in 7 on 7 together. #Texans

Despite Trevardo Williams speed, the TEs worked him good in coverage. Williams has the quickness to cover, but has to learn it. #Texans

Cierre Wood is the RB of the rookies that has the edge. Bigger frame, runs well and looks better built for the running game #Texans

Hard not to like Dennis Johnson at runningback. Still looks in tune with the offense. Good with the ball in his hands. #Texans

**********************************

PDS ‏@PatDStat 1m
I have a lot of respect for the #Texans veterans. All have been seen helping out the younger players during drills and down time.

The rookies had more of the playbook installed this week. You can tell a considerable difference with them. Way more thinking. #Texans

HoustonFrog
05-29-2013, 02:13 PM
Sounds like he got it pretty good. I expect him to be ready by TC

This is when you wonder when that large amount of carries will start to pile onto the wear and tear. Tate should get more if healthy.

ArlingtonTexan
05-29-2013, 02:49 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/29/arian-foster-on-crutches-but-should-be-fine-for-camp/

so from not much to pretty good in a day

thunderkyss
05-29-2013, 04:10 PM
Sounds like he got it pretty good. I expect him to be ready by TC

I don't have a link, but I heard BenTate's comments about getting extra reps. Basically said it's no big deal, can't learn anything in practice.....

I think he's going to be in the doghouse again in 2013.

Texans_Chick
05-29-2013, 04:12 PM
Quote sheet today. Last comment is a new one. It was windy as hell.

Head Coach Gary Kubiak
(on RB Arian Foster’s injury) “He has a pretty good calf strain, and we left him in (the training room) today. He’s hobbling; he’s on crutches today and will be for a couple of days. He’s going to be fine, but don’t expect me to bring him back out here. We’ve got two weeks left, so we’ll just go to work on getting him healthy, getting him ready for training camp. It’s unfortunate, but we feel lucky, too. He didn’t do anything; just took a step. He’s going to be OK, but like I said, don’t expect to see him again (in organized team activities).”

(on whether RB Arian Foster could return to practice during the team’s minicamp June 11-13) “No, I don’t expect that. We’ve got two weeks left of the offseason, so obviously we’re not going to do anything to take a risk with him.”

(on whether he expects RB Arian Foster to be in danger of missing any parts of training camp) “No, luckily we’ve got, what, two months almost now before we get ready to go. It might have ruined Arian’s summer; he’s going to have to be here a lot, but that’s OK and he’s going to be OK.”

(on if there are any other health issues with the team) “No, we’ve still got the problem with (TE Phillip) Supernaw and (NT) Sunny Harris. They have not been back since they had their issue the second day. I rested a lot of older guys today, or veteran guys. I wanted to watch a lot of young players practice in different positions, with the first group and stuff, but other than that we’re fine.”

(on the status of S Ed Reed) “I had a long conversation with Ed yesterday. I think he actually got back to Atlanta on Saturday. We have him in a rehab program there in Atlanta. Next week, I think, is their (Baltimore’s) ring ceremony and going to the White House, so that’s pretty important for him to get that stuff done there. But he will be back here as we approach the mandatory minicamp and be here for the rehab process, so you guys should see him in, about a week.”

(on the play of the quarterbacks today compared to Tuesday’s practice) “They were better today. They struggled a little bit yesterday, especially in some seven-on-seven stuff, but that’s part of it, and come back today and were pretty darn good today. I actually let (QBs) T.J. (Yates) and Case (Keenum) split the team portion of practice today with the first group and held (QB) Matt (Schaub) out. I wanted to see those guys operate with our ones, and both of them, I thought, had a pretty good practice.”

(on the improvement shown by QB T.J. Yates) “T.J.’s career has been interesting because it was like, ‘Boom,’ at once, and so many great things happened that year and his confidence is sky-high. And then you come back your second year and play the preseason, not play but about 20 snaps in the regular season and it seemed like nothing went right in those 20 snaps. That’s part of being a backup quarterback, because you hinge on that confidence for long periods of time, so we just need to get him going again. He’s working hard, he’s doing good stuff, he’s getting pushed extremely hard. What is this, now, year three? So I’m expecting him to continue to grow as a player.”

(on RB Ben Tate) “Ben’s fine. Obviously, he steps up today and works as the starter, but Ben’s been working good either way. He’s had a really good offseason; he’s been here every day, and it’s an opportunity for him this next six practices to be the bell cow, so to speak, and that’ll be good for him in the long run.”

(on FB Greg Jones’ performance thus far in minicamp) “We’re not in pads, and obviously that’s where a fullback’s strength is, when you watch them in pads. But what we’re going to do is we’re going to be smart with him. He’s definitely going to be a one-a-day guy, maybe a one-every-day guy. I know what he can do; I know what he’s going to bring to this team and I want to make sure I get the most out of him late in his career. I’ve been very impressed with his mental approach and his professional approach to what he’s doing. That’s why we brought him here.”

(on NT Earl Mitchell) “You watch practice every day and Earl acts like a full-time starter. What year is Earl? Three, four, something like that? If it’s time to be a big-time guy, it’s time and Earl’s acting like that. That’s been big for him.”

(on what he wants to see out of RB Ben Tate in the offseason and training camp) “I just want him to be healthy, that’s the biggest thing. When Ben’s on the field, he’s productive. He needs to have a good offseason, which he’s doing his part and he’s done all of that. Obviously, now his reps are going to pick up, but to me, if Ben’s in one piece, Ben is going to be very productive for this team.”

(on what he told the team at the end of practice) “Oh, I don’t even know what I said. I forget from one minute to the next. We were just talking about a couple of things. I think what I was probably talking about was I told the guys that it says a lot about your team when the coach can sit down 12 veterans and watch you practice the way you practiced today. That’s a big part of what we do for a living. We’re going to have guys get hurt; we’re going to have guys miss games, and there can never be an excuse in what we do. So that was my message today, and I liked the way we practiced.”

(on rookie TE Ryan Griffin) “He’s doing a lot of good things. Doing a lot of rookie stuff, too, but he’s very talented. He’s getting a lot of reps because O.D. (TE Owen Daniels) is only going every other day. He fits the mold for what’s been successful with us, so we’re excited to have him.”

NOTE: The final two questions of Gary Kubiak’s press conference are not included in this transcript. Some of the recorded audio was indecipherable due to wind.

mussop
05-29-2013, 05:16 PM
I liked what I saw from Earl Mitchell last year. I don't know the stats, but I know what I saw. I saw a guy always in the backfield making plays, and then coming back out to sit on the bench so Cody could come back in.

I'm not a big stat guy. They can be misleading but if he were "always in the backfield making plays" I would think he would have better stats than, ZERO sacks, TWO tackles for loss and only ONE QB hit in EIGHTEEN GAMES! :headhurts:

Texans_Chick
05-29-2013, 06:38 PM
I'm not a big stat guy. They can be misleading but if he were "always in the backfield making plays" I would think he would have better stats than, ZERO sacks, TWO tackles for loss and only ONE QB hit in EIGHTEEN GAMES! :headhurts:

FWIW, no pads, but Kubiak was as animated talking about Earl Mitchell as anyone. Surprisingly so.

Sort of like Keshawn Martin talking Shane Lechler. Quiet guy and then when you ask about returning Lechler's punts, he got really animated about BOOM those kicks.

Brandon420tx
05-29-2013, 07:09 PM
PDS ‏@PatDStat 46s
Favorite matchup to watch is Kareem vs. DeAndre. Jackson gives Hopkins fits majority of the time. #Texans

Oh no, our new star receiver is struggling versus our weakest link/secret superstar!!!

:bubbles: :kitten:

Brisco_County
05-29-2013, 09:46 PM
I'm wondering why Arian's strain occurred so easily. Maybe he over-trained during his workouts, and didn't rest the muscle long enough. What is the typical cause of that injury?

The Pencil Neck
05-29-2013, 11:07 PM
I'm wondering why Arian's strain occurred so easily. Maybe he over-trained during his workouts, and didn't rest the muscle long enough. What is the typical cause of that injury?

Something like that can happen at any time.

He could have been slightly over-trained. He could have actually injured it doing something else but didn't realize it or didn't realize how bad it was. Or the random factors might have just aligned and whammo.