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Wolf
05-18-2013, 12:08 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/wes-lunt-not-allowed-transfer-big-12-sec-221525359.html

When quarterback Wes Lunt announced he was going to transfer from Oklahoma State, both he and the school went out of their way to handle it in the classiest way possible.
Lunt thanked Oklahoma State, and Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy thanked Lunt. Lunt was a highly touted recruit and was a starter to begin the 2012 season as a true freshman, but he dealt with injuries and it was time to move on. Oklahoma State had a logjam at quarterback after the spring. Everyone seemed on board with him moving on and doing what was best for his future.
That makes Oklahoma State's subsequent significant transfer restrictions on Lunt so odd, and infuriating as well.
According to the Tulsa World, Lunt will not be allowed by Oklahoma State to transfer to a school in the Big 12, SEC or to Southern Mississippi (whose new coach, Todd Monken, was previously Oklahoma State's offensive coordinator).



Pretty crappy of OSU. What are they afraid of? If they think the kid is that good, he'd probably be starting for them.

Stemp
05-18-2013, 12:25 PM
I can understand not allowing a transfer within conference or with someone who is on the schedule in the next year or two. But Okie St just seems to be trying to hold the kid back from going to a top tier school who may want him.

keyser
05-18-2013, 12:32 PM
I think they're putting these restrictions on him not so much for him, but to eliminate issues with others in the future:
- No Southern Mississippi: So that coaches can't leave and take their favorite OSU players with them. Otherwise you'd find coaches leaving and convincing some of their favorite players to move with them. Would be a horrible precedent.
- No SEC: So that players can't use OSU as a stepping stone to a more prominent conference. More debatable, but you don't want players to think "I can go to OSU for now, and then later move on up to the SEC". I know there's a lot of debate about whether the SEC is really "up", but I think that's a somewhat common perception and allowing a move might again set a pretty bad precedent that a program could be a stepping stone. I bet they'd rather have said no transfer to a "better" program, but there's not an easy way to define that.
- No Big12: No transfer to a conference rival (and also potentially to "better" programs, like with the SEC) - probably the most obvious.

2012Champs
05-18-2013, 02:27 PM
The system is broken. Coaches can leave for whatever school they want no matter what contract is in place. The student athlete gets killed trying to transfer

b0ng
05-18-2013, 04:09 PM
I think they're putting these restrictions on him not so much for him, but to eliminate issues with others in the future:
- No Southern Mississippi: So that coaches can't leave and take their favorite OSU players with them. Otherwise you'd find coaches leaving and convincing some of their favorite players to move with them. Would be a horrible precedent.
- No SEC: So that players can't use OSU as a stepping stone to a more prominent conference. More debatable, but you don't want players to think "I can go to OSU for now, and then later move on up to the SEC". I know there's a lot of debate about whether the SEC is really "up", but I think that's a somewhat common perception and allowing a move might again set a pretty bad precedent that a program could be a stepping stone. I bet they'd rather have said no transfer to a "better" program, but there's not an easy way to define that.
- No Big12: No transfer to a conference rival (and also potentially to "better" programs, like with the SEC) - probably the most obvious.


If they aren't going to start the young man why go to all this trouble to make sure he doesn't play against them?

ObsiWan
05-18-2013, 05:07 PM
I think they're putting these restrictions on him not so much for him, but to eliminate issues with others in the future:
- No Southern Mississippi: So that coaches can't leave and take their favorite OSU players with them. Otherwise you'd find coaches leaving and convincing some of their favorite players to move with them. Would be a horrible precedent.
- No SEC: So that players can't use OSU as a stepping stone to a more prominent conference. More debatable, but you don't want players to think "I can go to OSU for now, and then later move on up to the SEC". I know there's a lot of debate about whether the SEC is really "up", but I think that's a somewhat common perception and allowing a move might again set a pretty bad precedent that a program could be a stepping stone. I bet they'd rather have said no transfer to a "better" program, but there's not an easy way to define that.
- No Big12: No transfer to a conference rival (and also potentially to "better" programs, like with the SEC) - probably the most obvious.
Unless schools/conferences/the NCAA levy those same restrictions on coaches, then, as 2012Champs said, the system is completely broken.
...and has been forever.

jtexas
05-21-2013, 07:10 AM
No SEC: So that players can't use OSU as a stepping stone to a more prominent conference.

That's an interesting take, considering OSU is big time program and they lose a year of eligibility. I doubt many kids would even consider this unless they were way down the depth chart.

GlassHalfFull
05-21-2013, 08:11 AM
Gundy does not come off well. I hope this backfires on them in recruiting.

Great Outkick the Coverage article on it. link (http://outkickthecoverage.com/mike-gundy-is-45-but-hes-not-a-man.php)

So the coach can leave at a moment's notice and take over another job in the SEC, but a player can't play in that conference. Gotcha. (Stop with your stupid scholarship contract argument. Gundy has a contract too. His just doesn't actually mean anything. You'd think the adult's coaching contract would be more enforceable than the kid's one-year renewable scholarship contract. You'd be wrong).

Well, at least the university itself is commited to the Big 12, right?

Except, you know, Oklahoma State tried to join the Pac 12 last season.

So the 19 year old scholarship athlete can't go to the SEC or the Pac 12, but the coach and the school can?

Makes complete and total sense.

Or none.

At all.

Click on the link for more.

Kaiser Toro
05-21-2013, 08:11 AM
The system is broken. Coaches can leave for whatever school they want no matter what contract is in place. The student athlete gets killed trying to transfer

One is a professional, the other is an amateur that is subsidized strongly towards education.

Based on top line growth, consistent investment, popularity of the sport and a constant funnel of talent I am not sure how anyone can say the system is broken.

Texan4Ever
05-21-2013, 11:09 AM
Wouldn't you want what's in the best interest for the kid? Plus, its not like one player makes that much of a difference for a team...you still have 10 other guys that have to show up and play otherwise you're not going to win the game.

AngryNateFTW
05-21-2013, 11:30 AM
It's a complete joke.

Luckily, there are still a few good conferences left. The B1G is a good conference and so is the Pac-12.

Could also consider transferring to the MAC just because NFL teams tend to think that the MAC makes NFL QB's.

Leftwich, Big Ben, Chad Pennington, Zac Dysert this year, etc.

The kid still has options but it makes no sense why this university is trying so hard to keep him from playing at a top tier school. (Afraid of possibly getting revenge on OSU at some point?) (Would love to see him beat his Ex-Team in a Bowl Game or something a year or so down the road.)

2012Champs
05-22-2013, 06:48 PM
One is a professional, the other is an amateur that is subsidized strongly towards education.

Based on top line growth, consistent investment, popularity of the sport and a constant funnel of talent I am not sure how anyone can say the system is broken.



The system is broken. The "professional" should be more restricted than the non. The professional can recruit kids in and leave before those kids ever get to work with what they were promised.


Also of the subsidy what percentage of the choice of who to give it to is based on athletic ability vs education ?

Kaiser Toro
05-22-2013, 11:15 PM
The system is broken. The "professional" should be more restricted than the non. The professional can recruit kids in and leave before those kids ever get to work with what they were promised.


Also of the subsidy what percentage of the choice of who to give it to is based on athletic ability vs education ?

It is not broken, it is more popular, and profitable than ever. FWIW, I deem college football as an exhibition sport, since there is no playoff system.

2012Champs
05-24-2013, 11:51 AM
It is not broken, it is more popular, and profitable than ever. FWIW, I deem college football as an exhibition sport, since there is no playoff system.



Well there is actually a playoff system now so Im not sure what you would call it. Profitability certainly doesnt mean as system isnt broken.

Kaiser Toro
05-24-2013, 02:12 PM
Well there is actually a playoff system now so Im not sure what you would call it. Profitability certainly doesnt mean as system isnt broken.

Please net out the current playoff system from this past season.

2012Champs
05-24-2013, 02:25 PM
Please net out the current playoff system from this past season.



Im not sure what you are trying to say. There is now a playoff system in place. Why did they change the system? After all it was as profitable as its even been. Profit levels dont mean something isnt right. Ask Enron

Kaiser Toro
05-24-2013, 02:36 PM
Im not sure what you are trying to say. There is now a playoff system in place. Why did they change the system? After all it was as profitable as its even been. Profit levels dont mean something isnt right. Ask Enron

How many teams entered into the playoff system this year and who advanced to the final?

2012Champs
05-24-2013, 03:18 PM
How many teams entered into the playoff system this year and who advanced to the final?



Do you mean last season? If thats the case zero. Last season is somewhat irrelevant since they have committed to changing the system because it was broken despite the profit levels.

Kaiser Toro
05-24-2013, 04:12 PM
Do you mean last season? If thats the case zero. Last season is somewhat irrelevant since they have committed to changing the system because it was broken despite the profit levels.

So next season must be relevant then. What is the format next season?

Wolf
05-24-2013, 04:37 PM
I think it is the four plus one format

2012Champs
05-24-2013, 05:08 PM
So next season must be relevant then. What is the format next season?


It's also somewhat irrelevant because it actually means nothing to the coach/student departure issue

Kaiser Toro
05-24-2013, 05:37 PM
It's also somewhat irrelevant because it actually means nothing to the coach/student departure issue

It's irrelevant only after you realized your attempt at a jab was making you look foolish. What is relevant is the topic at hand, the system is not broken - kids get college educations, which not everyone can afford, and the opportunity to compete at a high level; the schools are profitable; and there is no competing entity to take over.

Outside of hyperbole and the want to be right, the only value you have provided to this community, via this thread, is providing incremental ad impressions.

Kaiser Toro
05-24-2013, 05:38 PM
I think it is the four plus one format

It starts in 2014

2012Champs
05-24-2013, 06:25 PM
It's irrelevant only after you realized your attempt at a jab was making you look foolish. What is relevant is the topic at hand, the system is not broken - kids get college educations, which not everyone can afford, and the opportunity to compete at a high level; the schools are profitable; and there is no competing entity to take over.

Outside of hyperbole and the want to be right, the only value you have provided to this community, via this thread, is providing incremental ad impressions.



1. Why is the profitability the only thing that matters?
2. How many NCAA football programs are profitable?
3. Why can a coach whom has a signed contract with a school leave with no penalty?
4. Why can't a student transfer to any school they want without penalty?
5. You brought up the playoff issue in the first place as though it has anything to do with the issue presented. I pointed out they have changed the system that gave you some issue but it wasnt a jab

If a coach can recruit a kid to play football and then turn around and leave the system is broken if that kid is forced to stay and play football at a school he was recruited to by a coach who is no longer there. Ncaa football wouldnt profitable without the kids, the coaches wouldnt make the money they do without the kids and the kids should have the same ability to tranfer as anyone else in the program. You have added nothing to this thread other than trying to say college football's profits justify this absurd issue.

Kaiser Toro
05-25-2013, 08:37 AM
1. Why is the profitability the only thing that matters?
2. How many NCAA football programs are profitable?
3. Why can a coach whom has a signed contract with a school leave with no penalty?
4. Why can't a student transfer to any school they want without penalty?
5. You brought up the playoff issue in the first place as though it has anything to do with the issue presented. I pointed out they have changed the system that gave you some issue but it wasnt a jab

If a coach can recruit a kid to play football and then turn around and leave the system is broken if that kid is forced to stay and play football at a school he was recruited to by a coach who is no longer there. Ncaa football wouldnt profitable without the kids, the coaches wouldnt make the money they do without the kids and the kids should have the same ability to tranfer as anyone else in the program. You have added nothing to this thread other than trying to say college football's profits justify this absurd issue.

Your lack of experience in college athletics, and your desire to be right, make it an innefficent use of my time.

2012Champs
05-25-2013, 10:20 AM
Your lack of experience in college athletics, and your desire to be right, make it an innefficent use of my time.


In other words "I can't make a valid case to support my opinion"