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Rey
05-17-2013, 03:58 PM
Late last month, New York Jets second-round quarterback Geno Smith fired his agents after falling out of Round 1 in the 2013 NFL draft. Smith is expected to announce a decision on a new agent soon — the favorite is Jay-Z's "Roc Nation" sports agency — but he won't be the only Jets draft pick to change agents after being selected slightly later than expected.

According to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, Jets first-round pick Dee Milliner has fired Impact Sports after he was not selected with one of the first five picks in the 2013 NFL draft. Milliner "tumbled" all the way to the ninth overall pick in the draft.

Milliner was expected to be a first round pick, but there were no iron-clad guarantees that he would be selected in the top five, or even the top ten. In our pre-draft, "Shutdown 50" series, Milliner was ranked ninth by editor Doug Farrar, who had Milliner going to the Cleveland Browns with the sixth overall pick in his mock draft. Greg Cosell had Milliner going to the Pittsburgh Steelers with the No. 17 pick in his mock draft.

Milliner was represented by Tony Fleming and Mitch Frankel, who were set to negotiate Milliner's four-year rookie contract which would be worth around $12.66 million, all of which would be fully guaranteed, including a $7,588,072 signing bonus. Based on the contract signed by Detroit Lions defensive end Ziggy Ansah on May 10, the No. 5 overall pick in the 2013 draft, Milliner would have received a four-year contract worth $18,594,502 in fully guaranteed money.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jets-first-round-cb-dee-milliner-fires-agents-004108244.html


There has to be something else going on. Two Jets players both firing their agents because they think they should have gone higher...

Maybe you guys should have been better players?

Corrosion
05-17-2013, 04:10 PM
Maybe you guys should have been better players?

Who the hell takes accountability for their own actions these days ?!

Easier for them to blame someone else for their failures than to accept the burden themselves.

jaayteetx
05-17-2013, 04:13 PM
It's a symptom of their generation. I see it at my work as I'm sure many of you see it also. No accountability.

TexansSeminole
05-17-2013, 04:17 PM
It's a symptom of their generation. I see it at my work as I'm sure many of you see it also. No accountability.

I'd like to take this as condescension, as I naturally would like to stand up for my own generation, but I can't completely disagree with you. I'm guilty of it myself on occasion.

Rey
05-17-2013, 04:19 PM
I don't know if these guys are considered to be in my generation or not, but surely they can't be this dumb. Milner is being completely ridiculous...

keyser
05-17-2013, 04:46 PM
You all see this as the players not taking responsibility. What about the agents taking responsibility? This feels to me kind of like employers (the players) holding their employees (the agents) accountable...

You know, we don't know exactly what all went on, so what I'm writing here is going to be speculation. But, I think some of this might be a good move on the players' parts. Now, I know the article basically says this whole scenario doesn't seem likely since these agents have other players as clients, but I don't buy that reasoning.

My impression is that many agents spend time not just helping their clients prepare for the draft/negotiate/etc., but also kissing up to the players. The agents want to stay on board (after all, that's how they get their money, just a cut from these contracts), and I'm sure will tell the players how great they (the players) are, how many teams are so interested in them, how they are going to be drafted so high, etc. It wouldn't surprise me at all if those agents had repeatedly told their clients a bunch of lies about what was going to happen to the player come draft day. I'm betting this is part of their initial "sell", also: if one agent is telling you: "I think you're a first rounder" and another is telling you: "Look, you're good, but realistically you'll be lucky to be taken in the second.", guess who these college kids are likely to gravitate toward in selecting an agent. And, when whatever great things that were promised don't come to pass the agents can then just help the players blame whatever as the reason they didn't get what was promised, rather than blaming the agent for the bad advice. Just like any employee, if you've dealt with an agent on a personal basis for a long time, it's hard to just let that person go, so it doesn't surprise me if agents aren't fired even when their promises don't pan out.

So, maybe these players just realized that their agents had been repeatedly lying to them, and decided to fire them. I don't see them blaming the agents for their drop, so much as saying these agents didn't do what they should have. Also, agents DO give advice about preparing for the draft, and maybe these players decided in retrospect that the agents were giving them bad advice. There's something to the agents themselves being held accountable by their employer (the players), and maybe if agents were more upfront with their clients, this wouldn't be as likely to happen.

Like I said, that's speculation, but it seems just as likely to me as the players refusing to take responsibility for their own actions.

Rey
05-17-2013, 05:05 PM
I won't deny the plausibility of any of that, but with Milner we're talking about a few spots. Dude was a top ten pick.

Why does it have to be anyone's fault at all?

Maybe those teams needed other guys more? Dude was a top 10 pick...What the hell did he think was supposed to happen...

kingtexan
05-17-2013, 05:54 PM
May be that the agents tell the players that they will get them drafted in "x" range if they hire them as agents. If that doesn't happen the player has every right to be upset. Depending on how far the slide is, we are talking about a very significant difference in contract. Agents to me are like outside salesmen in most industries. They are pedaling a widget that isn't that far removed from being basically the same as the competitors widget, so they have to be the difference in what widget the customer buys. Same with agents. They have to be the ones who convince you to take their guy, and if they cant, they aren't doing their job.

eriadoc
05-17-2013, 06:21 PM
If the agents told the players they would be taken at spot X, or under spot X, then they lied and should be fired. But if that's the case, then the players in question are friggin' idjits that are evidently ignorant of draft history. If the agents told them they should be drafted in the top however many spots, then the players need to look within.

toronto
05-17-2013, 07:43 PM
I don't know if these guys are considered to be in my generation or not, but surely they can't be this dumb. Milner is being completely ridiculous...

There is nothing his agents can do about a frigging MRI or anyone not trusting his knees. And FFS he was still taken in the top 10. What on earth as he expecting and how can that possibly be blamed on his agents?

And to think I wanted this player - I'm glad the Titans didn't trade up a couple of picks to get him.

jaayteetx
05-17-2013, 07:52 PM
I'd like to take this as condescension, as I naturally would like to stand up for my own generation, but I can't completely disagree with you. I'm guilty of it myself on occasion.

And I'm not being condescending when I say that's pretty big of you to admit it. Kudos to you.

Playoffs
05-17-2013, 09:19 PM
Naive boys swimming in shark infested waters listening to the snakes hissing in their ears.

dtran04
05-17-2013, 11:43 PM
Geno Smith told him he should sign with Jay-Z too....

Wolf6151
05-18-2013, 01:37 AM
I would think that when these guys hired their original agents, the ones they're supposedly firing, that they would have signed some type of representation contract. I imagine the agents will get paid anyway. If the agents didn't have the players sign a representation contract then they're just plain stupid. And the players falling in the draft isn't anyones fault, it just happens.

Thorn
05-18-2013, 04:06 AM
**** 'em all. Overpriced jocks, most of whom wont work out anyway.

Yeah, let's pay these guys millions of dollars while the teachers who are responsible for educating your children are making **** money.

Honoring Earl 34
05-18-2013, 09:56 AM
If they fired their agents for falling , then the teams that passed on them nailed it . :vincepalm:

ObsiWan
05-18-2013, 10:04 AM
**** 'em all. Overpriced jocks, most of whom wont work out anyway.

Yeah, let's pay these guys millions of dollars while the teachers who are responsible for educating your children are making **** money.
I totally agree with your sentiment here.
but OTOH, I'm too hooked to stop watching the games.
So that makes me part of the problem...
:toropalm:

disaacks3
05-18-2013, 06:52 PM
I think they were advised by Manti Teo's girlfriend.

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thunderkyss
05-18-2013, 08:45 PM
I don't know the details, but if the agent had been telling him that he was a top 5 pick, if he was "guaranteeing" that he'd be selected by the fifth selection... Then he wasn't, I don't have a problem with firing him.

For all I know, his agent was calling him every other day blowing smoke, talking about, "I just got off the phone with so & so, they're looking at you & Mingo. They like Mingo, but they really like you. By the end of the week, I'll make them forget Mingo."

I mean I don't know, the agent has to string this guy along from the end of the college bowl season until signing day. Who knows what kind of honey he's spinning.

Now Millner & Smith are among the few rookies that can say, "Don't lie to me. I fired my last agent for lying."

The Pencil Neck
05-18-2013, 10:18 PM
One thing to keep in mind... if I'm not mistaken... the agent that was fired by Dee Milliner was the SAME EXACT AGENT fired by Geno Smith.

If it had been one guy saying he was guaranteed he'd be drafted at a certain position, that's one thing. But two guys having the same agent getting his guys to expect to be drafted by a certain place... then this agent needs this reality check.

DBCooper
05-19-2013, 10:10 AM
Jay-Z doing a little Monday morning quarterbackin.

ChampionTexan
05-19-2013, 11:24 AM
One thing to keep in mind... if I'm not mistaken... the agent that was fired by Dee Milliner was the SAME EXACT AGENT fired by Geno Smith.

If it had been one guy saying he was guaranteed he'd be drafted at a certain position, that's one thing. But two guys having the same agent getting his guys to expect to be drafted by a certain place... then this agent needs this reality check.

It was two different agencies.

The person, who confirmed the initial report by Sports Business Journal that Smith had fired Select Sports Group, said Smith's former agents informed him throughout the process there was a chance he would drop.
LINK 1 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2013/04/30/quarterback-geno-smith-fire-agents-after-nfl-draft/2124113/)

New York Jets cornerback Dee Milliner has fired his agency, Impact Sports, after failing to be selected in the top five of the 2013 NFL Draft. The move made Milliner the second high-profile Jets rookie, after quarterback Geno Smith, to do so after a draft deemed less than satisfying.

LINK 2 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000200113/article/dee-milliner-fires-his-agency-is-second-ny-jets-rookie-to-do-so)

The Pencil Neck
05-19-2013, 10:47 PM
It was two different agencies.


Ah. Thanks for that. I thought I'd heard on NFLN that it was the same agent.

My bad.

Rey
05-20-2013, 09:13 AM
I was listening to an agent on the radio the other day and how he described the process in which he goes about it is, best/worst case scenario and he always has a plan set for worst case scenario. This agent said that he's had clients that he advised them that they could go undrafted and had already had a plan laid out for them if that was the case....And then they end up going as high as the fourth round...

I just can't see reputable agents making those kinds of in stone guarantees to players after having been around the block a few times. There's only so much they can do to affect the draft position of their clients.

Dutchrudder
05-20-2013, 10:29 AM
It's a symptom of their generation. I see it at my work as I'm sure many of you see it also. No accountability.

Right, because the 3 guys complaining out of the 254 selections, and a few people at your work represent an entire generation. I'm sure nobody before the 1980's ever had a lack of accountability either. :rolleyes:

revan
05-20-2013, 12:57 PM
Jets making headlines.......... so it begins.

Mr teX
05-20-2013, 01:28 PM
You all see this as the players not taking responsibility. What about the agents taking responsibility? This feels to me kind of like employers (the players) holding their employees (the agents) accountable...

You know, we don't know exactly what all went on, so what I'm writing here is going to be speculation. But, I think some of this might be a good move on the players' parts. Now, I know the article basically says this whole scenario doesn't seem likely since these agents have other players as clients, but I don't buy that reasoning.

My impression is that many agents spend time not just helping their clients prepare for the draft/negotiate/etc., but also kissing up to the players. The agents want to stay on board (after all, that's how they get their money, just a cut from these contracts), and I'm sure will tell the players how great they (the players) are, how many teams are so interested in them, how they are going to be drafted so high, etc. It wouldn't surprise me at all if those agents had repeatedly told their clients a bunch of lies about what was going to happen to the player come draft day. I'm betting this is part of their initial "sell", also: if one agent is telling you: "I think you're a first rounder" and another is telling you: "Look, you're good, but realistically you'll be lucky to be taken in the second.", guess who these college kids are likely to gravitate toward in selecting an agent. And, when whatever great things that were promised don't come to pass the agents can then just help the players blame whatever as the reason they didn't get what was promised, rather than blaming the agent for the bad advice. Just like any employee, if you've dealt with an agent on a personal basis for a long time, it's hard to just let that person go, so it doesn't surprise me if agents aren't fired even when their promises don't pan out.

So, maybe these players just realized that their agents had been repeatedly lying to them, and decided to fire them. I don't see them blaming the agents for their drop, so much as saying these agents didn't do what they should have. Also, agents DO give advice about preparing for the draft, and maybe these players decided in retrospect that the agents were giving them bad advice. There's something to the agents themselves being held accountable by their employer (the players), and maybe if agents were more upfront with their clients, this wouldn't be as likely to happen.

Like I said, that's speculation, but it seems just as likely to me as the players refusing to take responsibility for their own actions.

This is it in a nutshell. The agents are landing these players based on where they're telling them they'll go; giving them overly positive draft projections and when they don't go where they previously projected them, i'm sure there's a little backtracking by the firm...."Well, they were just projections based on the feedback we were getting from the teams........But hey, we'll get it all back on the next contract..".

I could understand Smith situation though...Dude went from the rumored top overall pick in the draft to a 2nd rounder...that's alot of money he lost and as an agent, that's unacceptable imo.

Millner, I could see it both ways. He'd been rumored top 5 pretty much the whole draft but he only fell a little. Still, falling from projected top 5 to 9...that's alot money he lost. Probably feels like his agent didn't get him out there enough.

All in all though, we don't know what happened behind the scenes.

Blake
05-20-2013, 01:49 PM
Right, because the 3 guys complaining out of the 254 selections, and a few people at your work represent an entire generation. I'm sure nobody before the 1980's ever had a lack of accountability either. :rolleyes:

lol exactly. The previous generations always think younger generations are lazy, no work ethic, no accountability, everything given to them, yada yada yada. It reminds me of the ATT commercial where the 12 year olds are complaining that the 8 year olds have it easy these days.

Playoffs
05-23-2013, 12:49 PM
This is more about the Jay-Z guy luring Geno away from his agent -- which is a violation of NFLPA rules, since Jay-Z has not been certified as an agent. We could end up with agents partnering with celebrities to entice these young men to sign with them.

So we'll see Tom Cruise and Spike Lee and Kim Kardashian and Hugh Hefner and Donald Trump jumping into the fray as agents of agents. Entertainment Tonight and People Magazine and TMZ and the like will cover the recruitment of NFL eligible players as they go to parties at the Playboy mansion and Justin Bieber concerts and shopping with Paris Hilton.

Can you imagine...

Secretary: Mr. Smith, it's Jay Z on line 2.
Rick Smith: Who?
Secretary: Mr. Jay Z, sir.
Rick Smith: The singer guy???
Secretary: Yes, he wants to talk to you about using your picks to trade up to draft Jadeveon Bridgewater, the hot NFL prospect.
Rick Smith: I don't want to talk to that guy. ....Give him to Jimmy.
Secretary: Jimmy the copy boy?
Rick Smith: Yeah, give him to Jimmy. He's the one that impersonated me with Trump, right?
Secretary: *sigh* Yes.

Jimmy: Yo, yo, yo .... 'sup?

ObsiWan
05-25-2013, 09:09 PM
lol exactly. The previous generations always think younger generations are lazy, no work ethic, no accountability, everything given to them, yada yada yada. It reminds me of the ATT commercial where the 12 year olds are complaining that the 8 year olds have it easy these days.

And the weird part is the previous generation is responsible for raising the younger generation. So who's really to blame if the young folks have all these "bad" qualities? LOL

b0ng
05-26-2013, 12:44 AM
In the day and age of the 24/7 news cycle, inane stuff like this becomes a story. This is not some new practice of players changing agents after being drafted and whatnot, it's not some fad that Geno Smith and Dee Milliner are trying to start.

They are just going with a different agency and it appears that Geno Smith's previous agent was really upset about it and leaked a bunch of crap to the media about Smith.

bckey
05-26-2013, 03:21 PM
There is an article on yahoo sports talking about this very situation and saying that it is being investigated by the NFLPA. Here is an excerpt:

In 2012, the NFLPA banned the use of "runners" -- people without appropriate credentials used by agencies to recruit potential clients. And though Smith was technically signed by attorney Kimberly Miale, the potential involvement of Jay-Z, who is not certified as an agent, has other agencies wondering if the rules aren't being circumvented in this case. Albert Breer of NFL.com recently reported that the NFLPA will investigate the process by which Smith was signed.


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/geno-smith-signing-jay-z-roc-nation-agency-133525207.html

Dutchrudder
05-29-2013, 04:03 PM
And the weird part is the previous generation is responsible for raising the younger generation. So who's really to blame if the young folks have all these "bad" qualities? LOL

Wait, so you're telling me that the people responsible for raising the irresponsible kids are not taking responsibility for their children's lack of responsibility?

:headhurts: