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Tango
05-15-2013, 12:32 AM
Per Russell Baxter in an article featured on TheBleacherReport...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1632757-every-nfl-teams-weakest-link/page/14

Agree? Disagree?

Section516
05-15-2013, 12:45 AM
Disagree. For a #2 CB, he's in the top half of the league. He was pretty good for us last year.

IMO, our weak link player wise last year was RT and WRs not named A.Johnson...

Then you have special teams on top of that.

The Pencil Neck
05-15-2013, 01:12 AM
JJo and KJack are two of the guys I'm NOT really worried about.

My worries, in no particular order are:

1. Our ILBs: I'm worried about Cush coming back 100% but more than that, I'm worried about who's going to line up next to him.

2. Our RT: Newton might not be able to make it back and Ryan Harris worries me. Heck, even when he's healthy, Newton worries me. That whole right side of the line has to improve. I don't want to depend on rookies to get it done.

3. Our WR2-4: I've got high hopes for Hopkins. But ultimately, he's a rookie and rookies are notoriously hit and miss. But behind him, we've still got Martin (who needs to take a giant step forward from his production last year), Jean (who needs to take a giant step forward from his production last year), and Bonner (who's another damned rook.) This scares me because it remind me of our Kiddie Korner experiment and that crap didn't work out at all.

4. Our TEs: Although OD has been an unsung hero and Graham has made some great catches. But we've lost Casey. This offense is really set up to reward hard working TEs and Graham's slow development worries me. Now we're going to be hoping that either Griffin or Supernaw steps up and fills the Dreessen/Casey void.

5. Our NT: Mitchell's got to step up. And Jones has got to step up.

6. ST: We've got to learn to cover and we've got to learn to block. So. There you go.

Rey
05-15-2013, 01:22 AM
Weakest link?

Seems lazy.

Vance87
05-15-2013, 02:03 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1632757-every-nfl-teams-weakest-link/page/14

The only weak link I see is the one I quoted.


AM I RITE GUYS?

Texn4life
05-15-2013, 02:05 AM
I'm not gonna even bother to give this trash a hit and read it. I just hope it was an article from 2011.

TejasTom
05-15-2013, 07:51 AM
I'm not gonna even bother to give this trash a hit and read it. I just hope it was an article from 2011.

My thoughts as well.

thunderkyss
05-15-2013, 08:15 AM
JJo and KJack are two of the guys I'm NOT really worried about.

My worries, in no particular order are:

1. Our ILBs:

2. Our RT:

3. Our WR2-4:

4. Our TEs:

5. Our NT:

6. ST: .

I think this is a good list, except NT... I believe they are getting what they want from the NT position, so I'm not worried about that position at all.

Like you said, CB is not a position I'm worried about at all. Kj was our best CB for much of the season. He's really elevated his play & I expect him to continue to play with a chip on his shoulder & prove the doubters wrong.

As far as our weakest link last year, I truly believe it was the #2RB. Yeah, the RT/RG situation didn't help. But if Ben Tate were healthy & able to make a play or two to keep the offense on the field a lot of our problems wouldn't have been as glaring.

deucetx
05-15-2013, 08:23 AM
Put it like this. My response on the article when I saw how he responded to one person saying he is wrong and didn't do his research (in a rather sarcastic manner) was as thus:

Okay I'll play along to your witty response to him. Wholly professional by the way.

Here is why you didn't do your research. For one, Kareem Jackson allowed a QB rating of 68.2 and catch percentage of 46.8. This was 6th among all cornerbacks that had at least 25% of the snaps. Two, both Texans safeties allowed ratings over 95+ and J. Joseph 72.6. In other words, the best cover guy for the Texans last year was actually Jackson so like Will was saying...Jackson wasn't the weakest link. In fact, not even close. The nickle corners were both below average last season in McCain and then Harris. Safety play inconsistent, Joseph hobbled and they had musical chairs at ILB. Could have chose player/s from that area but you chose the guy who had the best season coverage wise.

So yeah...tremendous and amusing...Thanks for the enlightening and deeply researched article!

Heck, he could have went with the Newton, Jones or whatever but chose the guy who played the best in the secondary last year which just made the article very amateur. It's why I don't take Bleach Report very seriously.

Playoffs
05-15-2013, 08:23 AM
The only weak link I see is the one I quoted.


AM I RITE GUYS?

I'm not gonna even bother to give this trash a hit and read it. I just hope it was an article from 2011.

Effin' Bleacher Report. :mariopalm:

BigBull17
05-15-2013, 09:18 AM
Pass rush by guys not named Watt was our weakest link. Barwin/Reed/Mercilous were not very good. ILB was terrible outside of Cushing and RT was also unsatisfactory. KJ was fairly solid if not very damn good. Quin gave up a ton more plays than KJ but this is lazy coverage by a terrible bleacher report.

HOU-TEX
05-15-2013, 10:10 AM
I agree with PN. Although, I'd lump all the LBs together as the weakest link. Our OLBs couldn't take advantage of one on ones and provide much of a pass rush. Our ILBs were taken advantage of in the passing game. The Pats knew they were the weak link and shredded them.

bckey
05-15-2013, 11:37 AM
Its almost like this guy hasn't watched the Texans since KJ's rookie season. Jackson is not the weakest link. In fact he is progressing into a really solid db. ILB was the weakest link after Cushing went down. It could be a strength this year if Cushing plays like his old self and Brooks Reed moves inside.

Rey
05-15-2013, 11:44 AM
Kareem was better than Joseph last year.

Now some of that had to do with Joseph's injury problems, but Kareem balled out last year. By far his best year as a pro. He's a legit starting corner and a borderline #1 corner if not a legit #1 corner type of player.

DBCooper
05-15-2013, 11:46 AM
KJ was awesome last year.

Maybe he meant Keo.

Scooter
05-15-2013, 12:58 PM
Kareem was probably our best DB last season. he's grown so much since his rookie season that i'd certainly consider him a solid #1 corner.

I agree with PN. Although, I'd lump all the LBs together as the weakest link. Our OLBs couldn't take advantage of one on ones and provide much of a pass rush. Our ILBs were taken advantage of in the passing game. The Pats knew they were the weak link and shredded them.

this. our starting 4 DB's were pretty good, our defensive line was fantastic, but our linebackers were horrible once cushing went down. we couldnt generate any outside pass rush which was a killer late in the year. the big hole though was in the middle. we dont have a linebacker with cover skills after cushing, and putting quin in the box left us too light against the run, too small against bigger packages, and too predictable.

Playoffs
05-15-2013, 01:46 PM
KJ was in top 20 CBs targeted in 2012, but still rated 13th overall and 11th against the pass out of 113 CBs by PFF (>25% of defensive snaps). Opposing QBs had a 68.2 rating (old QB rating, not QBR) going against Kareem tying him for 12th out of 113.

Article is http://forum.gopowerhungry.com/images/smilies/bullcrap.gif

Tailgate
05-15-2013, 01:58 PM
JJo and KJack are two of the guys I'm NOT really worried about.

My worries, in no particular order are:

1. Our ILBs: I'm worried about Cush coming back 100% but more than that, I'm worried about who's going to line up next to him.

2. Our RT: Newton might not be able to make it back and Ryan Harris worries me. Heck, even when he's healthy, Newton worries me. That whole right side of the line has to improve. I don't want to depend on rookies to get it done.

3. Our WR2-4: I've got high hopes for Hopkins. But ultimately, he's a rookie and rookies are notoriously hit and miss. But behind him, we've still got Martin (who needs to take a giant step forward from his production last year), Jean (who needs to take a giant step forward from his production last year), and Bonner (who's another damned rook.) This scares me because it remind me of our Kiddie Korner experiment and that crap didn't work out at all.

4. Our TEs: Although OD has been an unsung hero and Graham has made some great catches. But we've lost Casey. This offense is really set up to reward hard working TEs and Graham's slow development worries me. Now we're going to be hoping that either Griffin or Supernaw steps up and fills the Dreessen/Casey void.

5. Our NT: Mitchell's got to step up. And Jones has got to step up.

6. ST: We've got to learn to cover and we've got to learn to block. So. There you go.


About right to me.

But RT prob gets #1 spot. Looks like another rotating/injury/grooming year at that position.

ILBs If Cush can be 100% and Dobbins can stay healthy we will be fine here, and would be a huge impact to this D over last year. Big IFs I know. But a chance its a non issue.

WRs are stocked now, but the timing of it all coming together is off due to age/injury/experience.

TEs are going to have to stay on the field and improved blocking. Not likely. Priority need next year.

NT and OLB need stud starters to complete this D. OLB could be fixed w current group but top picks free agents next year would be ideal.

STs I like the additions, getting players back and better depth should see a spike in production this year.

I think Tate plays healthy and surprises this year. He doesn't have a choice.

Tango
05-15-2013, 03:43 PM
In Russell Baxter's defense, he explained on the radio that the collapse of the Texans defense toward the latter part of the season was what he was going after and provided some stats on the collapse over the stretch (I don't have them). The game that stuck out to him was the Jacksonville game where Justin Blackmon had a big game against KJ.

As for me I don't agree with Baxter's assessment. I'm inclined to say it's a toss up for me post-Cushing, between the ILB's, OLB's, or Glover Quin.

76Texan
05-15-2013, 04:16 PM
In Russell Baxter's defense, he explained on the radio that the collapse of the Texans defense toward the latter part of the season was what he was going after and provided some stats on the collapse over the stretch (I don't have them). The game that stuck out to him was the Jacksonville game where Justin Blackmon had a big game against KJ.

As for me I don't agree with Baxter's assessment. I'm inclined to say it's a toss up for me post-Cushing, between the ILB's, OLB's, or Glover Quin.

But Blackmon did not have a big game at Jackson's expense; just one play.

The other plays weren't on KJax.

Thorn
05-15-2013, 04:41 PM
KJax started out horrible but has turned it around and gotten pretty damn good. I don't trust that source anyway.

Besides, all they do is publish those goddamned slideshows with different advertisements everytime you hit the next button. I DO NOT go to that site.

b0ng
05-15-2013, 05:32 PM
Damn, Russell Baxter writes for Bleacher Report now? Uggggggg

Tango
05-15-2013, 06:44 PM
But Blackmon did not have a big game at Jackson's expense; just one play.

The other plays weren't on KJax.

Honestly I can barely remember that game :) - too many moons have gone by for this old fart. Since you're our resident film reviewer here I'll take your word for it.

That said for grins I was looking at Blackmon's stats for 2012:

BY OPP REC YDS AVG
VS. BUF 1 9 9.0
VS. CHI 3 40 13.3
VS. CIN 6 48 8.0
VS. DET 5 32 6.4
VS. GB 4 67 16.8
VS. HOU 7 236 33.7
VS. IND 4 32 8.0
VS. MIA 6 93 15.5
VS. MIN 3 24 8.0
VS. NE 7 79 11.3
VS. NYJ 6 57 9.5
VS. OAK 1 7 7.0
VS. TEN 11 141 12.8

Blackmon had 236 yds against the Texans. The closest other game was against TEN at 141 yards. Everything else is easily below 100 yrds per game. No claim on my part that KJax sucks or anything of that nature (I generally think he's done pretty well). But that 236 yds against our Texans sure does stick out like a sore thumb and begs for an explanation.

Texn4life
05-15-2013, 07:03 PM
But that 236 yds against our Texans sure does stick out like a sore thumb and begs for an explanation.

Jacksonville gave up 186 yards to Aaron Rodgers after he shredded us and the Rams in back to back weeks. This is the same defense that gave up over half a thousand to Schaub. Sometimes there really is no explanation for what happens on some Sundays.

Lucky
05-15-2013, 08:08 PM
Kareem was probably our best DB last season...

I think that is correct. Joseph was hindered by injuries and Jackson really stepped up. As someone said, this seems like a 2011 article. I won't know what the weak link on the team will be until I see them play. But I'm certain it won't be Jackson.

Perki-Perk
05-15-2013, 10:24 PM
I think that is correct. Joseph was hindered by injuries and Jackson really stepped up. As someone said, this seems like a 2011 article. I won't know what the weak link on the team will be until I see them play. But I'm certain it won't be Jackson.

What game was it when KJax asked to be switched to their number one guy? Was that against Jacksonville? I believe Kareem didn't take over until the second half and his only slip up was nicely picked up by Manning. If that's the same game.

bhsman
05-15-2013, 10:44 PM
What game was it when KJax asked to be switched to their number one guy? Was that against Jacksonville? I believe Kareem didn't take over until the second half and his only slip up was nicely picked up by Manning. If that's the same game.

That was against Detroit when we had Alan Ball covering Calvin Johnson for the first half of the game. KJax asked at halftime to start covering Johnson, crazily enough.

What was even crazier was the fact that it worked. :kingkong:

chicagotexan2
05-15-2013, 11:07 PM
I'm not gonna even bother to give this trash a hit and read it. I just hope it was an article from 2011.

No kidding talk about just writing any bs without real analysis. I'd say we had bigger issues on the OL than anything else. As bad as Kareem was as a rookie, the man has come along way to become a solid CB. He deserved the redicule back then but now he deserves the props.

TheMatrix31
05-15-2013, 11:50 PM
lol, Bleacher Report.

eriadoc
05-16-2013, 12:07 AM
Team's weakest link is the medical staff.

ThaShark316
05-16-2013, 01:58 AM
The one big play on KJax...

HE WAS IN TRAIL.

Baxter is awesome, but that link he posted in the article basically contradicted his point.

steelbtexan
05-16-2013, 09:03 AM
Team's weakest link is the medical staff.

^^^^
This

MSR again, Finally somebody who understands what's going on in the Texans hierarchy.

76Texan
05-16-2013, 01:12 PM
Team's weakest link is the medical staff.

LOL.

The medical staff needs a check-up.

EllisUnit
05-16-2013, 07:26 PM
Everyone here knows i was one of the more critical people against KJ. After what he did last season and the progress he has made i think he is def one of the better #2 CBs in the NFL. I ate crow big time on him and am happy i did cause now we have a very good young CB who will be a big part of this defense for a long time.

rolyat93
05-20-2013, 02:31 PM
Joe Marciano by a landslide.

LikeMike
05-20-2013, 02:53 PM
Seriously, there are several answers I would have accepted.

Medical staff, Marciano, RT (what I would`ve picked), any ILB not named Cushing, any WR not named Johnson or even OLB. But KJax? He was one of our best defenders last season. As far as #2CBs go, IŽd say he is easily top 10.

disaacks3
05-20-2013, 03:06 PM
Joe Marciano by a landslide. Why? It's not like we let go players who made critical return or receiving touchdowns...oh wait.

EllisUnit
05-25-2013, 03:45 PM
Everyone here knows i was one of the more critical people against KJ. After what he did last season and the progress he has made i think he is def one of the better #2 CBs in the NFL. I ate crow big time on him and am happy i did cause now we have a very good young CB who will be a big part of this defense for a long time.

what the hell 76 i have been waiting for you to rub this in for over a year. Come on dude dont leave me hanging.

Goldensilence
05-25-2013, 07:53 PM
Lazy article and premise. Had the writer paid attention at all last year he would've known better.

Without a doubt weakest link on this team is anyone in WE corps not named Andre Johnson. Really it's not even close. Distant second is backups at each safety spot. I nearly Pissed myself this off season adding Reed and Swearinger was monumental. Leo is second weakest link and I hope he's cut.

76Texan
05-25-2013, 08:06 PM
what the hell 76 i have been waiting for you to rub this in for over a year. Come on dude dont leave me hanging.

I'm not one to do that; but occasionally, I may just have a little fun at your expense. :)

EllisUnit
05-27-2013, 04:09 AM
I'm not one to do that; but occasionally, I may just have a little fun at your expense. :)

well hell your no fun.... maybe i need to start talking smack about the scrub again then :fingergun: