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CloakNNNdagger
05-12-2013, 05:54 PM
Just happened across this nice write up of Keenum by a sportwriter that has won six national Associated Press Sports Editor awards in six years (And no, he is not a U of H grad:)).

Case Keenum rediscovers his command: UH star to challenge T.J. Yates for backup QB job

By Chris Baldwin

5.12.13 | 6:04 am

One of the first things that jumps out is the voice. Case Keenum's booming voice is back. It fills up the indoor practice bubble in the first session of the Houston Texans' rookie mini camp, leaving little doubt who's huddle this is.

The former University of Houston legend is back in command, doing what he does best, grabbing the shot much of the NFL was reluctant to give him. He flings on-the-money out passes to the sideline with seemingly little effort. He hits rookie receiver DeAndre Hopkins deep. He even overthrows Hopkins a few times (so much for that "weak" arm). He gets the offense in and out of the huddle quickly, his barked out play calls impossible to miss.

Call it the evolution of a pro quarterback. Yes, a pro quarterback.

The doubts that Case Keenum who treated all-time NCAA passing records like mere speed bumps at UH can play at the NFL level have been more than a little ridiculous from the beginning. Art Briles, Kevin Sumlin and now Gary Kubiak have all shown belief in this once unheralded prospect from West Texas. Those are three coaches who've proven they know a little something about the quarterback position.


It's no longer crazy to think that Keenum could emerge as Schaub's backup coming out of training camp.

It might be time for others to grudgingly acknowledge Keenum's ability, his progress. That's clearly emerged as one of the stories of this five-practice, three-day weekend camp. Whether the doubters want to believe it or not.

"It feels completely different coming in here now than it did a year ago," is how Keenum puts it to CultureMap in a one-on-one interview. "My confidence, my knowledge . . . they're both much higher.

"Everything feels much more natural than it did last year."

So much so that T.J. Yates might have reason to worry. It's no longer crazy to think that Case Keenum could emerge as Matt Schaub's backup coming out of training camp. Oh, the UH man still isn't a favorite to supplant Yates for that job. Then again, Keenum's never been the favorite for any of the quarterback roles he's won in the past either.

"I think Case is fixing to be extremely competitive with T.J. and Matt," Texans coach Gary Kubiak says.

Keenum himself isn't about to come out and say he's gunning for this job or that job. He has too much quarterback respect for that. "Sure, I've set goals for myself," is the most he'll allow.

But there's no mistaking the leap forward he's already made. Keenum will get much more of a chance to show what he can do in this year's preseason than he did last summer as an undrafted free agent. Kubiak says he plans to play No. 7 a good amount. THE REST OF THE STORY (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/05-12-13-case-keenum-rediscovers-his-command-university-of-houston-star-to-challenge-tj-yates-for-qb-job/)

Nawzer
05-12-2013, 06:11 PM
Would be nice to have an in-house successor to Schaub instead of having to spend a high draft pick on a QB.

ObsiWan
05-12-2013, 06:20 PM
Just happened across this nice write up of Keenum by a sportwriter that has won six national Associated Press Sports Editor awards in six years (And no, he is not a U of H grad:)).

Case Keenum rediscovers his command: UH star to challenge T.J. Yates for backup QB job

By Chris Baldwin

5.12.13 | 6:04 am

THE REST OF THE STORY (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/05-12-13-case-keenum-rediscovers-his-command-university-of-houston-star-to-challenge-tj-yates-for-qb-job/)

Wondering how to take this statement:
"I think Case is fixing to be extremely competitive with T.J. and Matt," Texans coach Gary Kubiak says.Does it merely mean Case is up to the level of T.J. and Matt...?
or
Does it mean the depth chart is fluid and neither T.J., Matt, nor Case have locked down their spots....?

I'm hoping against hope it's the second one. If not this year, then in 2014.

Extension or no, I have no issue with Keenum pushing Schaub for that job. I want the most capable guy to hit the field.

Texans_Chick
05-12-2013, 06:41 PM
This writer was the same guy who wrote this:

Texans will rue the night they took Pizza Boy J.J. Watt over Nick Fairley, Houston lover (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/04-29-11-texans-will-rue-the-night-they-took-pizza-boy-watts-over-nick-fairley-houston-lover/)

Which may be the worst post-draft article ever ever written. Can't say I'm a fan of any of his NFL writing, which is appears to be written to provoke a response. Like this one (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/11-28-12-peyton-manning-completely-disrespected-by-indianapolis-fair-weather-andrew-luck-love/).

Case Keenum has looked fine in the camp with no pads on and no real pass rush. Not like WOWWEEE hyperbole good though.

Does look better than last year. Which damns with the faintest of praise. Both TJ and Case had rough preseasons.

I can't buy any of the successor talk or the displacing TJ talk. Looks like a hype article.

Yes, I've heard Kubiak really likes Case. But hard to see him as an NFL starter.

Texans_Chick
05-12-2013, 06:43 PM
Wondering how to take this statement:
Does it merely mean Case is up to the level of T.J. and Matt...?
or
Does it mean the depth chart is fluid and neither T.J., Matt, nor Case have locked down their spots....?

I'm hoping against hope it's the second one. If not this year, then in 2014.

Extension or no, I have no issue with Keenum pushing Schaub for that job. I want the most capable guy to hit the field.

I think it means that Kubiak is saying nice things about his quarterback because there is no incentive to say bad things about a guy who want to instill confidence in.

I would fall out of my chair if Case was actually competitive with TJ or Matt. Just not seeing it.

kingtexan
05-12-2013, 06:54 PM
But hard to see him as an NFL starter.

He could surprise you.

signed Drew Brees

ObsiWan
05-12-2013, 07:00 PM
I think it means that Kubiak is saying nice things about his quarterback because there is no incentive to say bad things about a guy who want to instill confidence in.

I would fall out of my chair if Case was actually competitive with TJ or Matt. Just not seeing it.
You've been there, I haven't. I'll take your on-site assessment.

and thanks for....
:pop:

The Pencil Neck
05-12-2013, 07:01 PM
He could surprise you.

signed Drew Brees

I don't think she's saying that because of his height.

DocBar
05-12-2013, 07:09 PM
I think it means that Kubiak is saying nice things about his quarterback because there is no incentive to say bad things about a guy who want to instill confidence in.

I would fall out of my chair if Case was actually competitive with TJ or Matt. Just not seeing it.Any particular reasons or insights you'd like to share that made you reach this conclusion? I would be utterly shocked if Case passed Schaub, but not necessarily Yates. It should make for an interesting OTA and TC battle.

ChampionTexan
05-12-2013, 07:15 PM
He could surprise you.

signed Drew Brees

I don't think she's saying that because of his height.

Perhaps he means that nobody expected the #32 overall pick in the 2001 draft to be an NFL starter just like nobody expects a UDFA who wasn't one of the 253 players taken in the 2012 draft to be an NFL starter.

If so, he'd be absolutely and totally dead wrong, but perhaps that's what he means.

Texan_Bill
05-12-2013, 07:35 PM
Meh....

There's a certain mainstay radio host that happens to have a son as a college QB prospect and has a good relationship with a certain coach of West Virginia that was Keenum's one time coach at UH that will [paraphrased] "Play in the NFL"....

Keenum is short by BQ standards but can make all the throws and is mobile.


Of course that doesn't work in the NFL.

Signed,

Drew Brees, Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson

kingtexan
05-12-2013, 07:44 PM
Meh....

There's a certain mainstay radio host that happens to have a son as a college QB prospect and has a good relationship with a certain coach of West Virginia that was Keenum's one time coach at UH that will [paraphrased] "Play in the NFL"....

Keenum is short by BQ standards but can make all the throws and is mobile.


Of course that doesn't work in the NFL.

Signed,

Drew Brees, Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson

Kaep is 6'5", but both Brees and Wilson overcame height questions, which is one of the knocks on Keenum.

The Pencil Neck
05-12-2013, 08:35 PM
Perhaps he means that nobody expected the #32 overall pick in the 2001 draft to be an NFL starter just like nobody expects a UDFA who wasn't one of the 253 players taken in the 2012 draft to be an NFL starter.

If so, he'd be absolutely and totally dead wrong, but perhaps that's what he means.

Why would you take a guy with the #32 pick if you didn't expect him to be a starter? I know I expected him to be a starter with the Chargers when they picked him there and from what I remember, I wasn't alone.

ObsiWan
05-12-2013, 09:26 PM
Why would you take a guy with the #32 pick if you didn't expect him to be a starter? I know I expected him to be a starter with the Chargers when they picked him there and from what I remember, I wasn't alone.
Depends on who their QB was the previous season.
Oh... Ryan Leaf...
Ummm... Never mind.
:D

CloakNNNdagger
05-12-2013, 09:47 PM
This writer was the same guy who wrote this:

Texans will rue the night they took Pizza Boy J.J. Watt over Nick Fairley, Houston lover (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/04-29-11-texans-will-rue-the-night-they-took-pizza-boy-watts-over-nick-fairley-houston-lover/)

Which may be the worst post-draft article ever ever written. Can't say I'm a fan of any of his NFL writing, which is appears to be written to provoke a response. Like this one (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/11-28-12-peyton-manning-completely-disrespected-by-indianapolis-fair-weather-andrew-luck-love/).

Case Keenum has looked fine in the camp with no pads on and no real pass rush. Not like WOWWEEE hyperbole good though.

Does look better than last year. Which damns with the faintest of praise. Both TJ and Case had rough preseasons.

I can't buy any of the successor talk or the displacing TJ talk. Looks like a hype article.

Yes, I've heard Kubiak really likes Case. But hard to see him as an NFL starter.

"Pizza Man" worked out great for us. But there were many at the time that felt that Farley would have been the better pick. As far as the Peyton article, it wasn't way out there. Luck enthusiasm quickly seemed to supplant the loss of Manning.

As far as Yates and Keenum having had a rough preseason last year. Yates was in his 2nd year (with NFL starter "experience"), and Keenum was the rookie just barely trying to find his way in a new system.

Keenum may or may not happen to make it to starter status in the NFL. We will be a step closer to finding out during this preseason. However, from everything that I've seen thus far, I find it much harder to ever see Yates as a "legitimate" NFL starter. With that said, I sincerely hope that the 2nd and 3rd QB spot is made "open" to competition this year......and not in facade only.

ChampionTexan
05-12-2013, 09:48 PM
Why would you take a guy with the #32 pick if you didn't expect him to be a starter? I know I expected him to be a starter with the Chargers when they picked him there and from what I remember, I wasn't alone.

I'm basically saying there was no surprise to Brees as the #32 pick becoming an NFL starter, and any comparison to Keenum is simply way off base.

The same is true of Kaepernick and Wilson. Kaepernick was the #36 overall pick in 2011, and Wilson was the 75th overall pick in 2012. Clearly the expectations for both were considerably higher than a player who didn't get selected at all in 253 picks. Granted, Wilson has surpassed those expectations (as has Kaepernick), but to say that we should base our expectations of a UDFA on overachieving 2nd and third round picks is simply wrong. Keenum might make it - and trust me, I would live it if he did, but I don't think there's much more reason to believe it after 3 days of rookie camp than there was after the first round of OTA's last season when there were a number of folks claiming that Case had to make the season opening 53 man roster because he would never make it through waivers - or that if by some miracle he did slip through waivers, he'd never last on the PS because some other team would pick him up.

The bottom line is Case could well become a serviceable QB in the NFL, and he may even become a starter, but to look at where we are right now and think it's a given - or even likely - is absolute folly.

thunderkyss
05-12-2013, 10:11 PM
Just happened across this nice write up of Keenum by a sportwriter that has won six national Associated Press Sports Editor awards in six years (And no, he is not a U of H grad:)).


With creds like that, you'd think he knows how this works.

I honestly believe Kubiak likes Yates too much to just let him walk. If Case has come as far as this guy believes, the most he'll do is force Kubiak to carry three QBs on the 53.

If there's an injury that sidelines Matt for a game or more, Kubiak is better off with Yates & Keenum on the dole, than straight dumping Yates.

I still believe if Keenum doesn't impress enough to make the 53, another team may take him if we try to get him back to the practice squad. If that happens, expect to see Collin Klien on our PS & Kubiak would be just as happy.

PapaL
05-12-2013, 10:13 PM
Looks good in May vs rookies and PS players?
Sweet! Lets make him #1 already! *yawn*

thunderkyss
05-12-2013, 10:22 PM
Kaep is 6'5", but both Brees and Wilson overcame height questions, which is one of the knocks on Keenum.

& Brees was a second round pick & Wilson was a third.

Yeah they were short, but that didn't knock them out of the draft. Keenum went undrafted, he was not & is not on the same level as those guys. He's got a bigger hill to climb.

I'm rooting for him, but let's not make comparisons that don't make sense. Keenum has more in common with Collin Klien than he does with Kaepernick or Wilson.

TEXANRED
05-12-2013, 10:36 PM
Meh....

There's a certain mainstay radio host that happens to have a son as a college QB prospect and has a good relationship with a certain coach of West Virginia that was Keenum's one time coach at UH that will [paraphrased] "Play in the NFL"....

Keenum is short by BQ standards but can make all the throws and is mobile.


Of course that doesn't work in the NFL.

Signed,

Drew Brees, Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson
Those guys are 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft picks. Case not only went undrafted but then got cut and then spent the entire year on the practice squad where he could have been signed by any team at any time.

I personally don't want or need a Tony Romo 2.0 playing for my team.

76Texan
05-12-2013, 10:39 PM
If Keenum is good enough, he'll make it eventually.
Did we already forget that Foster went undrafted?

Brady was a late sixth rounder and he stands nearly 6'4.
And he was 4th on the depth chart to start with the Patriots.

Doug Flutie was 5'10 and it took him quite a while to become an NFL starter.
Who's going to tell me that he prefers David Carr over Flutie?

gwallaia
05-12-2013, 10:39 PM
While I certainly hope Case Keenum becomes a great QB for us. I believe his future in football will be in the coaching ranks.

Playoffs
05-12-2013, 10:54 PM
This writer was the same guy who wrote this:

Texans will rue the night they took Pizza Boy J.J. Watt over Nick Fairley, Houston lover (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/04-29-11-texans-will-rue-the-night-they-took-pizza-boy-watts-over-nick-fairley-houston-lover/)

Which may be the worst post-draft article ever ever written. Can't say I'm a fan of any of his NFL writing, which is appears to be written to provoke a response. Like this one (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/11-28-12-peyton-manning-completely-disrespected-by-indianapolis-fair-weather-andrew-luck-love/)...
Yeah, the guy is a real prize. http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc366/PlagueEleven/Smileys/no.gif

steelbtexan
05-12-2013, 11:05 PM
I'm just glad to see Keenum improving things like accuracy and taking snaps from under center. (He's never done that before. Keenum has a chance to becme a Romo type QB if he reaches his potential. IMHO

powda
05-12-2013, 11:37 PM
If you believe the fan starved offseason hype hopkins is rice and k is Montana. Dont bet the farm.

eriadoc
05-13-2013, 01:38 AM
Keenum will get much more of a chance to show what he can do in this year's preseason than he did last summer as an undrafted free agent. Kubiak says he plans to play No. 7 a good amount.

That's really all I want to see.

Malloy
05-13-2013, 02:08 AM
I'm just glad to see Keenum improving things like accuracy and taking snaps from under center. (He's never done that before. Keenum has a chance to becme a Romo type QB if he reaches his potential. IMHO

It does not happen often, but I agree 100% :)

Premier
05-13-2013, 05:54 AM
He could surprise you.

signed Drew Brees

i wonder how many times fans bring up drew brees every time theres a 6 foot qb in their camp, or how many times tom brady is mentioned whenever a late round backup takes over for the injured starter..

either way i dont understand what drew brees has to do with case keenum.. brees was the 1st pick of the 2nd round, drafted to be the chargers future qb, he made the pro bowl as a charger case is an unproven udfa.. their situations arent even remotley the same..

Lucky
05-13-2013, 06:37 AM
brees was the 1st pick of the 2nd round, drafted to be the chargers future qb, he made the pro bowl as a charger..
After his intial 3 seasons, Brees was considered a bust. The Chargers drafted Eli Manning and traded him for Philip Rivers (the #4 pick in the draft) in the 2004 draft to replace Brees. It was after that, Brees exploded and became the Drew Brees we now know. Totally unexpected. If Keenum does anything, it would be even more of a shock.

DocBar
05-13-2013, 07:39 AM
After his intial 3 seasons, Brees was considered a bust. The Chargers drafted Eli Manning and traded him for Philip Rivers (the #4 pick in the draft) in the 2004 draft to replace Brees. It was after that, Brees exploded and became the Drew Brees we now know. Totally unexpected. If Keenum does anything, it would be even more of a shock.I disagree with that. Brees had a busted shoulder that required surgery and no one was certain of his full recovery. The Saints took a chance that he would recover and it paid off.

Brees certainly wasn't Peyton Manning-esque at SD but was also not a bust.

STATS (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm).

deucetx
05-13-2013, 08:07 AM
I disagree with that. Brees had a busted shoulder that required surgery and no one was certain of his full recovery. The Saints took a chance that he would recover and it paid off.

Brees certainly wasn't Peyton Manning-esque at SD but was also not a bust.

STATS (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm).

That's kind of what he was stating. He said Brees did not do good after three seasons which the stats you present show exactly that. He stated Brees didn't look good until Rivers was drafted and that is exactly what happened so not sure where the disagreement is. After all, there is a reason they drafted Rivers. Brees wasn't playing good.

In any case, I have no reason not to believe Case could have a shot at the second spot. Not like we have a ton of great things out of Yates to say the position is definitely his. It may be Yates' job to lose but doesn't mean he has a stranglehold on it either.

I also won't hold the writer's thoughts on the Watt pick against him since most people felt the same way including Texans fans. Hindsight is great most thought the pick of Watt was 'solid' and nothing substantial. He easily surpassed expectations as no one could predict what he is currently bringing to the table.

b0ng
05-13-2013, 11:53 AM
If stories like this keep getting pumped out then by the time TC comes around you're going to have retardos calling up to 610/790/1560/97.5 talking about how Keenum should replace Schaub for the 2013 season.

God I dread that.

Honoring Earl 34
05-13-2013, 12:21 PM
After his intial 3 seasons, Brees was considered a bust. The Chargers drafted Eli Manning and traded him for Philip Rivers (the #4 pick in the draft) in the 2004 draft to replace Brees. It was after that, Brees exploded and became the Drew Brees we now know. Totally unexpected. If Keenum does anything, it would be even more of a shock.

I disagree with that. Brees had a busted shoulder that required surgery and no one was certain of his full recovery. The Saints took a chance that he would recover and it paid off.

Brees certainly wasn't Peyton Manning-esque at SD but was also not a bust.

STATS (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm).

Brees was drafted in 2001 , the same year as Vick and Tomlinson . In 2002 , when asked about the 2002 QB class , Kiper said that if Brees was in it he'd be the #1 overall pick .

In 2004 Rivers was supposed to beat Brees out but couldn't . The Chargers franchised Brees and he was still better than Rivers in 2005 . When Brees hit the market , the only question was about his injured shoulder .

jtexas
05-13-2013, 12:21 PM
This writer was the same guy who wrote this:

Texans will rue the night they took Pizza Boy J.J. Watt over Nick Fairley, Houston lover (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/04-29-11-texans-will-rue-the-night-they-took-pizza-boy-watts-over-nick-fairley-houston-lover/)

Which may be the worst post-draft article ever ever written. Can't say I'm a fan of any of his NFL writing, which is appears to be written to provoke a response. Like this one (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/11-28-12-peyton-manning-completely-disrespected-by-indianapolis-fair-weather-andrew-luck-love/).

Case Keenum has looked fine in the camp with no pads on and no real pass rush. Not like WOWWEEE hyperbole good though.

Does look better than last year. Which damns with the faintest of praise. Both TJ and Case had rough preseasons.

I can't buy any of the successor talk or the displacing TJ talk. Looks like a hype article.

Yes, I've heard Kubiak really likes Case. But hard to see him as an NFL starter.

Lets all be sure the guy didn't hang himself before bashing him, because that article is a career killer. If i was Chris Baldwin i would pray for an expiration or just switch to weather reporting. He should have to put a disclaimer on every future article with that link on it.

BullNation4Life
05-13-2013, 12:24 PM
I won't ever rule out a QB, drafted or not, after what Tom Brady has done in this league. I am a firm believer that a QB put in the right system and with the right coach, can become a NFL starter...

If Keenum gets is shot, hope he makes the most of it...

badboy
05-13-2013, 01:10 PM
At worst, we will have same pecking order as last year. Schaub, Yates and Keenum. No one claimed Case off PS and 50- 50 will not do so again. It is good to have players we can talk about optimistically. Hopefully all three will be better this season.

deucetx
05-13-2013, 01:12 PM
Unless Stephen McGee takes them all to the shed and shows them how a real quarterback plays....




......stop laughing already.

Thorn
05-13-2013, 01:15 PM
I would love it if hometown QB makes good in the NFL. But I think we'll have to wait a bit on that. Schauby boy and Kubiak are still in their lovey dovey phase and have stars in their eyes for each other.

Speedy
05-13-2013, 01:32 PM
I would love it if hometown QB makes good in the NFL. But I think we'll have to wait a bit on that. Schauby boy and Kubiak are still in their lovey dovey phase and have stars in their eyes for each other.

And they need to stay that way because that's the best chance this team has right now.

Battle for #2? Bring it on. I hope Case is up for the challenge because frankly, I don't think it would take much to move past Yates. If he can't beat out TJ then he's probably got no chance in this league.

tru80texan
05-13-2013, 01:54 PM
I disagree with that. Brees had a busted shoulder that required surgery and no one was certain of his full recovery. The Saints took a chance that he would recover and it paid off.

Brees certainly wasn't Peyton Manning-esque at SD but was also not a bust.

STATS (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm).

The key to Lucky's post was he mentioned AFTER Brees' 1st 3 seasons. Not necessarily his entire time in SD. Brees only started 1 game, officially, as a rookie & then followed it up 16 & 11 starts the following 2 seasons. None of which were particularly impressive in the stat department. SD obviously made a mistake because Brees played well following those 3 seasons & continues to this day while Rivers is surrounded by question marks concerning his play.

Thorn
05-13-2013, 03:50 PM
And they need to stay that way because that's the best chance this team has right now.

Battle for #2? Bring it on. I hope Case is up for the challenge because frankly, I don't think it would take much to move past Yates. If he can't beat out TJ then he's probably got no chance in this league.

I completely agree. Doesn't mean I have to like it though. For now none of the QBs going into camp are worthy of starting over Schaub.

DX-TEX
05-13-2013, 04:53 PM
Orange bloods and VY and red bloods and Keenum.

Keenum will NEVER be a starting QB in the NFL

Double Barrel
05-13-2013, 05:17 PM
This writer was the same guy who wrote this:

Texans will rue the night they took Pizza Boy J.J. Watt over Nick Fairley, Houston lover (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/04-29-11-texans-will-rue-the-night-they-took-pizza-boy-watts-over-nick-fairley-houston-lover/)

Which may be the worst post-draft article ever ever written. Can't say I'm a fan of any of his NFL writing, which is appears to be written to provoke a response. Like this one (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/11-28-12-peyton-manning-completely-disrespected-by-indianapolis-fair-weather-andrew-luck-love/).

wow...pure freakin' garbage of an article.

Folks in this forum would have done a much better job at a much better price.

Selection 1.11: JJ Watt DE Wisconson (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81456&highlight=watt)

chenjy9
05-13-2013, 05:18 PM
I completely agree. Doesn't mean I have to like it though. For now none of the QBs going into camp are worthy of starting over Schaub.

I hope Keenum develops, because Yates looks increasingly like he is tapped out. Just has not shown anything that makes me believe he can be something good, let alone special. Schaub.... while I believe we can with the SB with Schaub, he sure as hell will NOT make it easier on us IMHO. If we win the SB, it will be in spite of Schaub.

PapaL
05-13-2013, 05:28 PM
I hope Keenum develops, because Yates looks increasingly like he is tapped out. Just has not shown anything that makes me believe he can be something good, let alone special. Schaub.... while I believe we can with the SB with Schaub, he sure as hell will NOT make it easier on us IMHO. If we win the SB, it will be in spite of Schaub.

So let me get this straight the guy that has started 5 regular season games, won a playoff game, and has been our #2 QB for 2 years now looks "tapped out" but the guy that every team passed over multiple times and can't beat out the guy that is "tapped out" is the one you hope develops?

This must be based on their ability to sit on the bench and carry a clip board.

chenjy9
05-13-2013, 05:55 PM
So let me get this straight the guy that has started 5 regular season games, won a playoff game, and has been our #2 QB for 2 years now looks "tapped out" but the guy that every team passed over multiple times and can't beat out the guy that is "tapped out" is the one you hope develops?

This must be based on their ability to sit on the bench and carry a clip board.

I understand you dislike my opinion, but no need to be snarky about it. As for your argument, what the hell does it even mean? Foster was undrafted. I am sure though that because sooo many teams passed on him, he would never amount to crap amirite? Oh wait... What about that Tony Romo guy. True he is not a Brees, or Brady, or Manning, but he is still much better than Schaub IMO. How about Harrison or Fletcher? You remember that guy Welker who tore us up when the Pats trounced us twice? Your argument is crap and holds no water. Yates has not shown enough improvement for me during last year's TC. He still looks lost and not aggressive. I watched a lot of Keenum UH games to know that the kid has talent and considering how bad Schaub stunk it up towards the end last season, I have completely lost faith in him being the QB to actually lead us to the SB.

thunderkyss
05-13-2013, 06:01 PM
And they need to stay that way because that's the best chance this team has right now.

Battle for #2? Bring it on. I hope Case is up for the challenge because frankly, I don't think it would take much to move past Yates. If he can't beat out TJ then he's probably got no chance in this league.

How do we know that? Before the 2007 season, Schaub was in the same position Yates is in now. Sight unseen, we signed Schaub to be the starter of the Houston Texans. Kubiak has spent the last two years with Tj Yates, on the sidelines, in the film room, in the shower.... anyway.

For all we know, Kubiak may think Tj can start for this team. But until Schaub gets hurt, there's no reason to rock the boat.

Not that I beleive that, just saying we don't know.

I'd like to see our 2nd string OL play better than they did last season. Quessenbery, BenJones, Brennen Williams, they very well might. Tj is going to have some talent to throw the ball to in Lestar & Martin & Bonner, not to mention Ben Tate & Grimes in the backfield.

If he (Tj) looks like a man among boys, I'll stop worrying about Schaub playing 16+ games.

thunderkyss
05-13-2013, 06:08 PM
What about that Tony Romo guy. True he is not a Brees, or Brady, or Manning, but he is still much better than Schaub IMO.


OT
I bet if Romo went to NewOrleans like Payton wanted, the Saints still would have won a Super Bowl. Romo isn't great, but he's not bad either. The guy is "predictable" enough that a decent coach/OC should be able to compensate. & Payton is pretty dang good at compensating.

ObsiWan
05-13-2013, 06:22 PM
When is training camp??
...better yet, when is PreSeason.
It's T.J.'s third year in the league. He's now had two full off-seasons to burn the playbook into his brain. Let's see what he looks like this preseason.

CloakNNNdagger
05-13-2013, 06:35 PM
When is training camp??
...better yet, when is PreSeason.
It's T.J.'s third year in the league. He's now had two full off-seasons to burn the playbook into his brain. Let's see what he looks like this preseason.

OTAs: May 20-21, May 23, May 28-30, June 3-6
Mandatory minicamp: June 11-13
Training camp: July 26

PapaL
05-13-2013, 06:39 PM
I understand you dislike my opinion, but no need to be snarky about it. As for your argument, what the hell does it even mean? Foster was undrafted. I am sure though that because sooo many teams passed on him, he would never amount to crap amirite? Oh wait... What about that Tony Romo guy. True he is not a Brees, or Brady, or Manning, but he is still much better than Schaub IMO. How about Harrison or Fletcher? You remember that guy Welker who tore us up when the Pats trounced us twice? Your argument is crap and holds no water. Yates has not shown enough improvement for me during last year's TC. He still looks lost and not aggressive. I watched a lot of Keenum UH games to know that the kid has talent and considering how bad Schaub stunk it up towards the end last season, I have completely lost faith in him being the QB to actually lead us to the SB.

I'm questioning your flawed logic. No need to get all butt hurt about it. I personally don't give a damn who is the #1, #2, or #3 QB. I'm sure the coaching staff has a MUCH better insight into the situation than some blowhard on a message board.

You can't compare and undrafted RB to an undrafted QB. Totally different responsibilities. Totally different positions. But please go ahead and dazzle us all with how they're so similar.

Must be pretty tough to see Yates on bench behind Keenum's jock strap you're covering your eyes with. No one will argue that Schaub didn't stink it up but you sir/ma'am are showing your rear in this thread by comparing other undrafted positions to a QB. All based on what? A Kubes blurb saying the Practice Squad QB looked good w rookies and other PS players? Maybe he should have said we're in trouble. Schaub is garbage, lets skip this season.

Keep your day job buddy.

EllisUnit
05-13-2013, 06:55 PM
I liked what i saw in Case in college, and he never looked like the prototypical college QB to me like a leinart, or a carr. If i had to pick one guy who i thought could be the next brees my pick would be case.

I dont see why so many on here are so down on the kid, he has passion which sometimes is just as good if not better than all world talent.

PapaL
05-13-2013, 07:03 PM
I don't think it's a "down on the kid" thing. I think it's more of a lets be realistic, he's the PS QB for a reason. What he did in college means NOTHING in this league. Is he a great underdog story? Absolutely! As long as he's a Texan I will wish nothing but the best for him but let's not anoint him #1 based on what he did in college and/or versus undrafted rookies and PS players in May.

He's not 6th round pick Tom Brady. He's Practice Squad, QB #3. Until, IF, that ever changes let's stop with the he should replace Yates and Schaub. We all know BOTH Yates and Schaub were hand picked guys and he's "NEVER" wrong about QBs.

EllisUnit
05-13-2013, 07:07 PM
I don't think it's a "down on the kid" thing. I think it's more of a lets be realistic, he's the PS QB for a reason. What he did in college means NOTHING in this league. Is he a great underdog story? Absolutely! As long as he's a Texan I will wish nothing but the best for him but let's not anoint him #1 based on what he did in college and/or versus undrafted rookies and PS players in May.

He's not 6th round pick Tom Brady. He's Practice Squad, QB #3. Until, IF, that ever changes let's stop with the he should replace Yates and Schaub. We all know BOTH Yates and Schaub were hand picked guys and he's "NEVER" wrong about QBs.

Not saying crown him the #1 just saying with his skill set and his passion for the game he has a chance is all i'm saying.

Texan_Bill
05-13-2013, 07:20 PM
Kaep is 6'5", but both Brees and Wilson overcame height questions, which is one of the knocks on Keenum.

Geez.... I wasn't comparing all 4 with the same attribute (meaning just height). All 4 guys had other knocks against them such as they were also considered "system QB's". And yes Brees, Wilson and a couple of others have overcome height issues.

Thorn
05-13-2013, 07:20 PM
The coaches say Keenum improved a lot over the off season. We'll all know in a few months if that is true or not. For any of us to say he either will or won't make something of himself in the NFL is premature. However I do think his "potential" is a hell of a lot higher than the other QBs we have.

Premier
05-13-2013, 07:52 PM
what the hell does it even mean? Foster was undrafted. I am sure though that because sooo many teams passed on him, he would never amount to crap amirite? Oh wait... What about that Tony Romo guy. True he is not a Brees, or Brady, or Manning, but he is still much better than Schaub IMO. How about Harrison or Fletcher? You remember that guy Welker who tore us up when the Pats trounced us twice? I watched a lot of Keenum UH games to know that the kid has talent.

i never understand when people start rattling off names of udfa's that turned into stars to back their reasoning for seeing something in a undrafted guy.. yea some have panned out, you named like 6 or 7 guys. but thats 6-7 guys over the last sum-odd years among thousands and thousands and thousands of udfas who have come and gone without a blip in the NFLs radar. you like keenum, fine, its just a cheap tactic to bring up proven guys to try and justify your case for a guy you like.. i could start rooting for every 6th round qb and make claims that he is really a stud and then when people disagree with me i can always throw out that "what about tom brady, 3x super bowl champ".. thats basically what youre doing..

chenjy9
05-13-2013, 09:31 PM
I'm questioning your flawed logic. No need to get all butt hurt about it. I personally don't give a damn who is the #1, #2, or #3 QB. I'm sure the coaching staff has a MUCH better insight into the situation than some blowhard on a message board.

How is my logic of flawed in hoping he develops because I have no faith in Schaub or Yates? Neither of them have proven they can carry our team when we need them to. I am simply hoping each time either of them played that they just don't mess up.

You can't compare and undrafted RB to an undrafted QB. Totally different responsibilities. Totally different positions. But please go ahead and dazzle us all with how they're so similar.

Might need new glasses sir. I also mentioned a few other positions.

Must be pretty tough to see Yates on bench behind Keenum's jock strap you're covering your eyes with. No one will argue that Schaub didn't stink it up but you sir/ma'am are showing your rear in this thread by comparing other undrafted positions to a QB. All based on what? A Kubes blurb saying the Practice Squad QB looked good w rookies and other PS players? Maybe he should have said we're in trouble. Schaub is garbage, lets skip this season.

Hey check out my post count and see how many posts I have about hoping Keenum take over. This is probably the first or second. My hope for Keenum comes from desperation for our QB position going into the future.

Keep your day job buddy.


While I know you are being sarcastic here, I will say thanks anyways. We all hope to keep our jobs.


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i never understand when people start rattling off names of udfa's that turned into stars to back their reasoning for seeing something in a undrafted guy.. yea some have panned out, you named like 6 or 7 guys. but thats 6-7 guys over the last sum-odd years among thousands and thousands and thousands of udfas who have come and gone without a blip in the NFLs radar. you like keenum, fine, its just a cheap tactic to bring up proven guys to try and justify your case for a guy you like.. i could start rooting for every 6th round qb and make claims that he is really a stud and then when people disagree with me i can always throw out that "what about tom brady, 3x super bowl champ".. thats basically what youre doing..

In my opinion it is a helluva lot smarter than automatically writing someone off simply because they went undrafted. Scouts being people as well, get things wrong too. Short of a precious few special talents, the entire draft is a gamble. You can never count someone out until they count themselves out. Yes people like Foster, Welker, Romo, Fletcher, Harrison, Thalmes (spelling?) are pipe dreams for every UDFA out there, but they exist and there is no reason to count someone else out because of the awful as crap reason that they went undrafted.

Also, not a huge Keenum fan. I have just given up on Schaub and not very hopeful on Yates.

badboy
05-13-2013, 09:45 PM
I am looking at it a bit different in that with this offense, especially a much improved Oline plus a solid WR 2, either MS or TJ will be successful. Certainly Matt is better than Yates and Yates better than Keenum but I want to see younger guys overtake vets. That is how we develop a dynasty.

Lucky
05-13-2013, 10:19 PM
Yes people like Foster, Welker, Romo, Fletcher, Harrison, Thalmes (spelling?) are pipe dreams for every UDFA out there...
OK, I'm stumped. Who does Thalmes play for? What position does he play?

Another outstanding UDFA was Antonio Gates.

chenjy9
05-14-2013, 12:44 AM
OK, I'm stumped. Who does Thalmes play for? What position does he play?

Another outstanding UDFA was Antonio Gates.

I butchered it, it's Priest Holmes LOL. I just remembered the letters hlmes and for some reason typed Thalmes. He was a beast at UT.

76Texan
05-14-2013, 10:26 AM
Right now Keenum is trying to make the 53-man roster.:worldpeace:

chenjy9
05-14-2013, 11:30 AM
Right now Keenum is trying to make the 53-man roster.:worldpeace:

Which is why I had simply said I hope he develops, due to my lack of faith in Yates abilities and complete lack of faith in Schaub as our leader on the field.

Speedy
05-14-2013, 02:11 PM
i never understand when people start rattling off names of udfa's that turned into stars to back their reasoning for seeing something in a undrafted guy.. yea some have panned out, you named like 6 or 7 guys. but thats 6-7 guys over the last sum-odd years among thousands and thousands and thousands of udfas who have come and gone without a blip in the NFLs radar. you like keenum, fine, its just a cheap tactic to bring up proven guys to try and justify your case for a guy you like.. i could start rooting for every 6th round qb and make claims that he is really a stud and then when people disagree with me i can always throw out that "what about tom brady, 3x super bowl champ".. thats basically what youre doing..

And I can name you a ton of 1st round picks that didn't amount to jack. Point being, none of us knows until these guys get on the field and do it...or not.