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IDEXAN
05-06-2013, 01:06 PM
Buffalo Bills defensive end Mario Williams is involved in a Houston lawsuit filed Monday, but he didn't do anything wrong. He's suing his ex-fiancee.
Williams sued his ex-fiancee Erin Marzouki in Harris County Court for the $785,000, 10-carat diamond engagement ring that he bought her before she dumped him.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000167085/article/mario-williams-sues-exfiancee-for-785000-ring

HJam72
05-06-2013, 01:15 PM
Sucker.

First thing he should have done is bought her a ring of the same expense the average Joe can afford and see if she balks.

Buying a trophy wife / paying an escort; only difference is the duration of the deal.

HOU-TEX
05-06-2013, 01:20 PM
I'm not sure what he expects to come from this lawsuit. I can't see him getting anything back, but he'll get to spend some more on her by paying lawyer and court fees I reckon.

Paying that much for a ring puts you in the "reap what you sow" category, imo of course

ChampionTexan
05-06-2013, 01:41 PM
To paraphrase H.L Hunt's comment about his son Lamar's first season in KC:

"This is horrible - another 120 or 121 broken engagements, and Mario will be broke".

Fred
05-06-2013, 01:59 PM
Cubic Z Mario. Put it in a nice setting she will never know. Unless she gets it checked out. Then you can play the "I knew you didn't trust me" card and its her fault for checking up.

On an unrelated note, I don't understand why my relationships don't work out better ...

fiasco west
05-06-2013, 02:03 PM
I'll side with Mario on this one.

Maybe he's a bit gullible here but who knows? Maybe he has been with the girl for a long time and that made her easy to trust. Obviously he wanted to marry her and was fooled by her charade. Doesn't make him wrong just makes him naive to think that there aren't women out there that will only see him for what he's financially worth.

That ring isn't worth that much compared to how much he's being paid though. This seems more like a principle thing.

Hervoyel
05-06-2013, 02:21 PM
I'll never understand why a woman would think that they were entitled to keep an engagement ring from someone they did not marry. That's something that should be returned the moment you call it off. I don't know what kind of legal precedent might exist where this is concerned but I believe that in a world where what's right prevails this should be a slam-dunk for Mario. If she can't return the ring she should be facing jail time.

Playoffs
05-06-2013, 02:34 PM
No wedding, no keepy the engagement ring.

infantrycak
05-06-2013, 02:37 PM
Texas is a conditional gift state. If she called it off, he gets it back. If he called it off, she keeps it.

StarStruck
05-06-2013, 03:46 PM
Texas is a conditional gift state. If she called it off, he gets it back. If he called it off, she keeps it.

That was my understanding. What would be Mario's next course of action if she "sold" the ring and now claim to be broke?

Rey
05-06-2013, 03:58 PM
Cheaper to mutha f'ing keep 'er....

Honoring Earl 34
05-06-2013, 04:12 PM
and y'all thought Manti Teo was crazy ... ha . He had a make believe ring that cost him nothing . :breakdance:

Playoffs
05-06-2013, 04:27 PM
Tradition generally holds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engagement_ring) that if the betrothal fails because the man himself breaks off the engagement, the woman is not obliged to return the ring. This reflects the ring's role as a form of compensation for the woman's damaged reputation....for hooking up with Mario? :ahhaha:

TexansSeminole
05-06-2013, 04:46 PM
Texas is a conditional gift state. If she called it off, he gets it back. If he called it off, she keeps it.
Now you have me curious about Florida.

steelbtexan
05-06-2013, 05:01 PM
What do they say about a fool and his $$$$.

Couldn't have happened to nicer guy.

When does BoB get back all of the $$$$ he stole from the Texans. Or the Bills for the $$$$ he stole from them last yr?

infantrycak
05-06-2013, 05:11 PM
Now you have me curious about Florida.

Same rule.

gg no re
05-06-2013, 06:05 PM
When does BoB get back all of the $$$$ he stole from the Texans.

when you consider that the alternative was giving the cash to sausage boy, I ain't mad at mario. :kitten:

SAMURAITEXAN
05-06-2013, 08:57 PM
The price you pay for being rich and famous. I think Mario needs to understand a few things for his future relationship.

1. Need to take time and make sure she is the one before you make any kind of commitment including finance.
2. Mario is well known figure(rich and famous) and people tends to come to him just for that reason.
3. His life style is very different from normal folks and sometime spending a large amount of money on someone can manipulate their behavior and thinking unintentionally.

I kinda feel for him though. When you meet someone you really love, you kind go blind about everything and just trying everything to keep that person in your life.

For his ex-fiance, I think she should give a ring back to him as a nice gesture for her part. You know, she could have done to Mario much worst by marrying him for a several years and got much more money from Mario.
Ar least she broke up with Mario before really damaging his life. Mario should learn his lesson from this relationship.

StarStruck
05-06-2013, 09:11 PM
The price you pay for being rich and famous. I think Mario needs to understand a few things for his future relationship.

1. Need to take time and make sure she is the one before you make any kind of commitment including finance.
2. Mario is well known figure(rich and famous) and people tends to come to him just for that reason.
3. His life style is very different from normal folks and sometime spending a large amount of money on someone can manipulate their behavior and thinking unintentionally.

I kinda feel for him though. When you meet someone you really love, you kind go blind about everything and just trying everything to keep that person in your life.

For his ex-fiance, I think she should give a ring back to him as a nice gesture for her part. You know, she could have done to Mario much worst by marrying him for a several years and got much more money from Mario.
Ar least she broke up with Mario before really damaging his life. Mario should learn his lesson from this relationship.

Good post! If the former fiancee' stayed in the relationship long enough to gain Mario's trust, and dump him after getting more than a million dollars through gifts and engagement ring, he could thank her for being so short sighted. Imagine a million dollar wedding at his expense, two kids in two years, salary he earned the two or three years married, could have cost at least ten times more. He should probably consider the gifts the cost of tuition to the university of hard knocks, but he should get the ring back if she still has it. If not she should be indebted to him until the cost is paid in full.

Fili
05-06-2013, 09:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vwNcNOTVzY

gg no re
05-06-2013, 10:12 PM
Good post! If the former fiancee' stayed in the relationship long enough to gain Mario's trust, and dump him after getting more than a million dollars through gifts and engagement ring, he could thank her for being so short sighted.tbqh... I think she was getting what she could get before it wasn't worth it. Being a socialite/trophy wife in Houston sounds a lot more glamorous than being one in Buffalo.

PapaL
05-06-2013, 10:17 PM
Take her to Judge Judy! She'll make her give the ring back.
No wedding, no ring.

Some things are cheaper to rent. At $785k she would fall into that category.

Trap_Star
05-06-2013, 10:23 PM
damn...you buy a woman a $785,000 and she still DUMPS YOU, you have to be lacking something(s)

EllisUnit
05-07-2013, 06:22 AM
The man just signed a 90 million dollar contract and he is worried about that ?

Wont matter anyways, that was a "gift" to her in the eyes of the law. He wont be getting the ring or any money out of this lawsuit.

infantrycak
05-07-2013, 06:32 AM
The man just signed a 90 million dollar contract and he is worried about that ?

Wont matter anyways, that was a "gift" to her in the eyes of the law. He wont be getting the ring or any money out of this lawsuit.

Thanks for your incorrect analysis when the law has already been supplied. Do people actually read threads anymore or just thread titles?

Texanmike02
05-07-2013, 07:15 AM
and y'all thought Manti Teo was crazy ... ha . He had a make believe ring that cost him nothing . :breakdance:

OMFG. IBOL. R.

M

Oh my f...ing god. I busted out laughing. Repped.

Mike

(figured some of you are in a hurry and needed the short hand.)

paycheck71
05-07-2013, 09:54 AM
For the life of me, I don't get all the Mario hate. If you think he isn't any good, he's not here anymore, and someone else is paying him.

In this particular case, I hope he gets back every last penny of that 785K.

Double Barrel
05-07-2013, 11:25 AM
Mario had better not ever get engaged again. Think about what she will expect when he gave this broad a $785,000, 10-carat diamond engagement ring! :hmmm:

HOU-TEX
05-07-2013, 11:37 AM
Texas is a conditional gift state. If she called it off, he gets it back. If he called it off, she keeps it.

Hmm, I reckon I was wrong too. I just always thought it was considered a "conditional marriage" in Texas if the couple were together or living together for a certain amount of time. Meaning it would be hers or divided among the two.

I didn't know about the conditional gift stuff. Learn something new every day, I reckon

Stemp
05-07-2013, 12:07 PM
For "common law" marriage in TX I believe the couple has to live together and also claim to be married. Just Living together isn't enough. I believe in CA just a single claim
Of being married like checking into a hotel as mr and mrs is enough, as I vaguely remember an escort suing for divorce from one of her rich johns who checked them into a hotel as mr and mrs

infantrycak
05-07-2013, 12:18 PM
For "common law" marriage in TX I believe the couple has to live together and also claim to be married. Just Living together isn't enough. I believe in CA just a single claim
Of being married like checking into a hotel as mr and mrs is enough, as I vaguely remember an escort suing for divorce from one of her rich johns who checked them into a hotel as mr and mrs

CA does not recognize common law marriage within the state. There is a process for recognizing such marriages from states like Texas which have common law marriage.

Dutchrudder
05-07-2013, 12:22 PM
Soooo, if the engagement ring is considered a gift, and she gets to keep it, does she have to pay gift tax on the value of the ring?

Blake
05-07-2013, 12:52 PM
I love how we are all now experts on state and federal gift laws. I hope he gets the ring back just as precidence. If the man is not good enough for you keep, then neither should his engagement ring.

The1ApplePie
05-07-2013, 01:11 PM
For the life of me, I don't get all the Mario hate. If you think he isn't any good, he's not here anymore, and someone else is paying him.

This board seems to have a trend on hating former players, even if they were cut or traded against their will.

The Jacoby hate I can understand. Mario hate? Eric Winston hate? It is about as old as the VY and Reggie hate.

Norg
05-07-2013, 01:45 PM
785K man that's like 78 dollars to Mario dis fool rich

im surprised the bills haven't sued Mario for stealing there money LOL

PapaL
05-07-2013, 05:59 PM
785K man that's like 78 dollars to Mario dis fool rich

im surprised the bills haven't sued Mario for stealing there money LOL

It's also HIS money to spend as he sees fit. No one else's.

Always amazes me when people try to spend someone else's money.

Hookem Horns
05-07-2013, 10:37 PM
Buying a trophy wife / paying an escort; only difference is the duration of the deal.

http://ballerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/mario-williams-ex-fiancee-erin-marzouki.jpg

Trophy wife? More like 4th place ribbon wife.

Dread-Head
05-08-2013, 03:25 PM
according to most courts of law an engagement ring is conditionary. And ending the engagement nullifies the contract and ya have to give the ring back.

DBCooper
05-08-2013, 07:24 PM
I love how we are all now experts on state and federal gift laws. I hope he gets the ring back just as precidence. If the man is not good enough for you keep, then neither should his engagement ring.

You do realize that there is at least 1 real life lawyer in this conversation?

Double Barrel
05-09-2013, 01:02 PM
It's also HIS money to spend as he sees fit. No one else's.

Always amazes me when people try to spend someone else's money.

I do not perceive anyone trying to spend his money. And even if they were, I'm not sure what is so amazing about it. But that's just me.

And yes, it is his dough and his right to spend it however he wants to spend it.

That being said, we are also free to express our opinions on how many of us perceive he foolishly spends that money.

PapaL
05-09-2013, 03:47 PM
I do not perceive anyone trying to spend his money. And even if they were, I'm not sure what is so amazing about it. But that's just me.

And yes, it is his dough and his right to spend it however he wants to spend it.

That being said, we are also free to express our opinions on how many of us perceive he foolishly spends that money.

Unless you're making that type of money you don't know what foolish is. I'm sure there are people out there that would think the same about you buying fast food, coffee, new tv, etc...it's all about perception.

Double Barrel
05-09-2013, 06:03 PM
Unless you're making that type of money you don't know what foolish is. I'm sure there are people out there that would think the same about you buying fast food, coffee, new tv, etc...it's all about perception.

Of course it's about perception. Most things we talk about on this forum are about perceptions.

As far as me not knowing what foolish is, that is your perception. Perhaps I should be amazed that anyone would try to put thoughts into someone else's head just as you seem to be easily amazed when people try to spend someone else's money. But it does not amaze me. I just don't care.

Foolish is defined as lacking good sense or lacking good judgment. You are free to think whatever you want, just like I am free to do the same. And in my own perception, $785,000 for a freakin' ring is foolish regardless of your wealth. Obviously and always, JMO.

PapaL
05-09-2013, 06:29 PM
Of course it's about perception. Most things we talk about on this forum are about perceptions.

As far as me not knowing what foolish is, that is your perception. Perhaps I should be amazed that anyone would try to put thoughts into someone else's head just as you seem to be easily amazed when people try to spend someone else's money. But it does not amaze me. I just don't care.

Foolish is defined as lacking good sense or lacking good judgment. You are free to think whatever you want, just like I am free to do the same. And in my own perception, $785,000 for a freakin' ring is foolish regardless of your wealth. Obviously and always, JMO.

Obviously you do care since you decided to quote me twice and have chosen to keep this ridiculous conversation going. As you said...JMO.

pirbroke
05-09-2013, 06:54 PM
Besides the law side of this is anyone wondering why Super Man got dumped. Dude is a mountain, rich, famous, all the thing those trophy girls like in a man. Maybe he is all out of proportion, ha ha, but his gardener could fix that problem when he is off pretending to play football in other cities. Hmmmm

eriadoc
05-09-2013, 07:14 PM
Does the father get to keep the three goats, myrrh, and bushels of grain?

Goatcheese
05-09-2013, 08:59 PM
How screwed up in your head do you have to be to think you can keep an engagement ring after you called off the wedding?

She cray cray.

Double Barrel
05-10-2013, 04:09 PM
Obviously you do care since you decided to quote me twice and have chosen to keep this ridiculous conversation going. As you said...JMO.

Make it a third time... :neener:

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Tom-brady-You-Mad-Bro.jpg

2012Champs
05-10-2013, 06:23 PM
1. He should get the ring back that comes with a hefty unrealized loss

2. It's not nearly as bad of a financial mistake as some here are making it out to be on a percentage basis

3. The hate for Mario is so overdone its unreal

HJam72
05-11-2013, 09:32 AM
I personally just have an issue with anyone spending that much on a piece of jewelry. Maybe, percentage-wise, it's not as dumb as I'd like to believe, but it still irks me. It also bothers me even more that so many women, when they actually have a choice, just always have to have more, More, MORE. Next, it'll be some woman with a $1,785,000 ring; and then her sister will need a $11,785,000 ring.

Whatever. I won't care as soon as I leave this thre...

Lucky
05-11-2013, 09:48 AM
This board seems to have a trend on hating former players, even if they were cut or traded against their will.

The Jacoby hate I can understand. Mario hate? Eric Winston hate? It is about as old as the VY and Reggie hate.

To be fair, plenty were hating on Mario while he was a Texan.

Norg
05-12-2013, 11:08 PM
some people never liked Mario even when he was a Texans felt he lacked effort and a high motor ....also the Looked like tarzan plays like Jane

Blake
05-14-2013, 08:50 AM
The person who broke off the engagement needs to give up the ring. Now they just need to figure out which one it was.

steelbtexan
05-14-2013, 09:10 AM
This board seems to have a trend on hating former players, even if they were cut or traded against their will.

The Jacoby hate I can understand. Mario hate? Eric Winston hate? It is about as old as the VY and Reggie hate.

Let me help you with this.

MW didn't put in the time to improve and when 2 different DL coaches tried to push MW, there were summmarily fired after the seaon was over. (Nobody should ask MW to worharder/learn new things regarding his craft.)

Winston is a confirmed clubhouse lawyer, who puts trying to set himself up with a career in the media after his career in football is over ahead of putting in the work neccessary to improve his game, so that he doesn't get his QB nearly decapitared 1-2 a game. When his QB does get hurt (Cassell) do to his failure to do his job properly, he deflects blame by talking about how unfair the fans are to the fallen QB. This is the definition of a clubhouse lawyer.

Good riddance to both Mario and Winston. You will never win a Lombardi with these type of guys on your roster. No matter how talented they may be.

Speaking of winning a Lombardi, do you fansout there feel as hough the Texans upper level management has done everthing they possibly could to try to win a SB over the yrs?

Dread-Head
05-14-2013, 09:52 AM
Good post! If the former fiancee' stayed in the relationship long enough to gain Mario's trust, and dump him after getting more than a million dollars through gifts and engagement ring, he could thank her for being so short sighted. Imagine a million dollar wedding at his expense, two kids in two years, salary he earned the two or three years married, could have cost at least ten times more. He should probably consider the gifts the cost of tuition to the university of hard knocks, but he should get the ring back if she still has it. If not she should be indebted to him until the cost is paid in full.

(cue O-Jays) Money money money money.....MONEY!

tru80texan
05-17-2013, 11:19 PM
I'm so glad the diva Williams is gone. His ex-fiance's lawyer is going to make a complete fool out of him as he has now released text messages from Mario claiming to have suicidal thoughts after his ex refused to speak to him. He was better off letting her have the ring because now he's looking like a head case & still may lose the ring in the process. It's a shame he has resorted to those type of thoughts & claiming to OD on drugs to do it is something that the NFL might take notice of as well. That obviously will not help his situation. It might be time to cut the loses & move on, but you would think he would've thought of all this before pushing the issue. Buffalo's problem now.:vincepalm:

jaayteetx
05-18-2013, 10:24 AM
I'm so glad the diva Williams is gone. His ex-fiance's lawyer is going to make a complete fool out of him as he has now released text messages from Mario claiming to have suicidal thoughts after his ex refused to speak to him. He was better off letting her have the ring because now he's looking like a head case & still may lose the ring in the process. It's a shame he has resorted to those type of thoughts & claiming to OD on drugs to do it is something that the NFL might take notice of as well. That obviously will not help his situation. It might be time to cut the loses & move on, but you would think he would've thought of all this before pushing the issue. Buffalo's problem now.:vincepalm:

She is a money hungry POS, IMO. He may or may not have mental issues but for her to pull all of this crap, throwing all his dirty laundry out there, shows her true colors. I hope he gets the ring back and she has tons of legal fees afterwards, would serve her right.

Playoffs
05-18-2013, 10:31 AM
Be careful what you ask for, Mario...[Her attorney], however, countered that Williams broke the engagement at least five times and made the final decision to end marriage plans. He also said Williams lied when he said in the suit that he gave Marzouki an American Express card on which she charged $108,000 in personal expenses. Most of those expenses, Buzbee said, were for expenses at Williams’ homes.Friday, [her attorney] released a three-page series of text messages sent to Marzouki’s mobile phone in which Williams wrote on Nov. 11, “I took 3 hydrocodones this morning and no one knows” and “I’m going to take 2 more on the plane and fade away.” He also texted “No money in the world should leave me with suicidal thoughts.”

In a message on the same day, Marzouki replied, “You told me you’re having suicidal thoughts. Clearly me & you don’t need to talk after every mean thing you said to be, but I’m going to tell DD to call you or something BC you went above and beyond saying suicidal thoughts, taking pills. Someone that you trust needs to intervene.”http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/05/mario-williams-text-message-no-money-in-the-world-should-leave-me-with-suicidal-thoughts/

infantrycak
05-18-2013, 10:36 AM
She is a money hungry POS, IMO. He may or may not have mental issues but for her to pull all of this crap, throwing all his dirty laundry out there, shows her true colors. I hope he gets the ring back and she has tons of legal fees afterwards, would serve her right.

The lawyer is building a loser of a case. Put these two positions together:

1) He was a suicidal, drug abusing nut-job.

2) She still wanted to marry him.

That's real convincing.

ObsiWan
05-18-2013, 11:00 AM
The lawyer is building a loser of a case. Put these two positions together:

1) He was a suicidal, drug abusing nut-job.

2) She still wanted to marry him.

That's real convincing.
I hear ya.

then again, if this goes before a jury populated with like-minded <ahem> "ladies"... this could end badly for Mario.

Texn4life
05-18-2013, 02:30 PM
The only thing that the lawyer is proving by releasing this info is that Mario was sprung. He was so in love that he wasn't thinking straight. I'm not really familiar with the law, but I'm not quite sure how releasing this helps her.

2012Champs
05-18-2013, 02:38 PM
He better hope she still has the ring. If not and he wins I'm not sure his chances to get paid back are very good

CloakNNNdagger
05-21-2013, 04:04 PM
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4685681444129489&pid=15.1&H=160&W=109

Keep this up, Mario, and I'll bite it off!..........and not give it back to you either!!!

Wolf
07-21-2013, 12:22 PM
A Harris County state district judge Friday instructed attorneys for former Texans defensive lineman Mario Williams to turn over his cellular phone and certain financial and medical records for potential examination by attorneys for Williams’ former fiancée.





Williams said in his lawsuit filed in early May that Marzouki “unilaterally terminated” the engagement and refused his request to return the diamond engagement ring valued at $785,000. Buzbee countered that Williams broke the engagement and made false statements about Marzouki in the lawsuit that warranted an investigation by Harris County prosecutors to determine whether he had committed perjury.

Buzbee has been the verbal aggressor during the pretrial phase, and that pattern continued Friday.

“You want to play? Let’s play,” he said at one point. During another exchange, he said, “We want that phone, and we want it now. Then I will take his deposition, and I’m going to ask (Williams) some hard questions. He needs to be asked the hard questions.”

Buzbee also said he needed access to a wide range of documents to determine whether Williams was unfaithful to Marzouki during their engagement, engaged in “sexting” with other women or purchased gifts for other women. He said he also wanted access to medical records to determine whether Williams suffered from mood swings that might explain what Marzouki claims was Williams’ decision to end the engagement.

Monica Orlando countered that Buzbee was seeking wide access to documents because he was “fishing” for information to bolster a weak defense.





http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/07/williams-ordered-to-hand-over-cell-phone-as-ugly-lawsuit-continues/

Playoffs
07-22-2013, 05:12 PM
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