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EmDiggy
05-03-2013, 08:20 AM
Texans 2013 NFL Draft Grades Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgmwySUvjm4)

Good morning Texans fans! Here's my draft grades for you guys

Enjoy!

Em

Scooter
05-03-2013, 08:35 AM
i dont see the disappointment in not taking another corner. joseph is a top 5 corner and kareem jackson is at worst a great #2 - and probably a strong #1. the texans re-signed brice mccain and still have brandon harris and roc carmichael on the squad to round them out. that's not even touching on the depth at safety with 3 starters plus coach favorite eddie pleasant coming off the bench.

SAMURAITEXAN
05-03-2013, 09:11 AM
Thanks for video Em. Although you can't get enough of CBs, I am not so concern about CB. I think we needed other positions more and filled most of our needs through draft except for ILB.

BTW, good job of nailing our 1st rd pick on your mock draft!

EmDiggy
05-03-2013, 10:09 AM
i dont see the disappointment in not taking another corner. joseph is a top 5 corner and kareem jackson is at worst a great #2 - and probably a strong #1. the texans re-signed brice mccain and still have brandon harris and roc carmichael on the squad to round them out. that's not even touching on the depth at safety with 3 starters plus coach favorite eddie pleasant coming off the bench.

What's your thoughts on those UDFA RBs?

Thanks for video Em. Although you can't get enough of CBs, I am not so concern about CB. I think we needed other positions more and filled most of our needs through draft except for ILB.

BTW, good job of nailing our 1st rd pick on your mock draft!

Thanks Samurai! I'd keep an eye on Mike Mohammed as a good find at ILB

rmartin65
05-03-2013, 10:26 AM
Good video, Em. You have come a long way since the first couple videos you posted here.

Which UDFA RB has the edge in your mind?

beerlover
05-03-2013, 10:44 AM
very nice presentation as usual. disappointing not to address ILB position but your high on Mike Mohamed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4uX8pOxT3I

what is your opinion of moves early to select primary targets as opposed to letting board come to you & settling for BPA?

Scooter
05-03-2013, 10:51 AM
What's your thoughts on those UDFA RBs?

loving the runningbacks. according to smith & kubiak there were a couple of backs we targeted during the draft, but it seemed the guys they were really watching made it to free agency. graham may just be fodder, but johnson and wood look legit. considering kubiak made a player of ron freaking dayne, and we cant even put a RB on the practice squad these days, i'm extremely confident that one or both will make the roster.

wood looks the natural for us. watching his pads, steps, reads ... i see him filling in as #3 this year and replacing tate next season. of course it's easy to anoint udfa rookie runningbacks as the next big thing (especially after actually hitting on arian foster), but i dont project wood to the pro bowl ... just the right player on the right team and will provide a great backup for a few years.

EmDiggy
05-03-2013, 12:14 PM
Good video, Em. You have come a long way since the first couple videos you posted here.

Which UDFA RB has the edge in your mind?

Thanks Rmartin! I appreciate that. I think the RBs shake out like this:

Graham - PR
Johnson - KR
Winn - #2
Wood - #3

So, essentially Graham & Johnson would be competing with each other for that return job while Winn/Wood compete for the backup or #3 job.

Ben Tate better be ready for some comp... I'd think they'll keep 2/4


very nice presentation as usual. disappointing not to address ILB position but your high on Mike Mohamed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4uX8pOxT3I


what is your opinion of moves early to select primary targets as opposed to letting board come to you & settling for BPA?

Thanks beer lover! He was a favorite prospect of mine a couple of years ago. I actually love that strategy..go and get the guys you want that you feel as though can help your team take that next step.

loving the runningbacks. according to smith & kubiak there were a couple of backs we targeted during the draft, but it seemed the guys they were really watching made it to free agency. graham may just be fodder, but johnson and wood look legit. considering kubiak made a player of ron freaking dayne, and we cant even put a RB on the practice squad these days, i'm extremely confident that one or both will make the roster.

wood looks the natural for us. watching his pads, steps, reads ... i see him filling in as #3 this year and replacing tate next season. of course it's easy to anoint udfa rookie runningbacks as the next big thing (especially after actually hitting on arian foster), but i dont project wood to the pro bowl ... just the right player on the right team and will provide a great backup for a few years.

Don't sleep on Winn either.. he's your typical 'one cut' downhill type of runner with great acceleration. Wood does give you more 'wiggle' than Winn though

badboy
05-03-2013, 12:29 PM
Good work Em! Just a reminder that Ben Jones is a center that imo will be difficult to beat. I am a big Cierre Wood fan and mocked him early and steadily. Very gifted back with huge average per carry. Also impressive is when other backs were given ball over him. He was no primma donna but a work horse. Great size/speed ratio that could allow us to trade Tate. Also am a bell ringer for Brennan WIlliams who I see starting by 2014 somewhere. Either he or Brooks could replace Wade Smith next season and the other start at RG. What would be cool is if Harris and Quisenberry do well, we could be an offensive, offensive line!

EmDiggy
05-03-2013, 12:37 PM
Good work Em! Just a reminder that Ben Jones is a center that imo will be difficult to beat. I am a big Cierre Wood fan and mocked him early and steadily. Very gifted back with huge average per carry. Also impressive is when other backs were given ball over him. He was no primma donna but a work horse. Great size/speed ratio that could allow us to trade Tate. Also am a bell ringer for Brennan WIlliams who I see starting by 2014 somewhere. Either he or Brooks could replace Wade Smith next season and the other start at RG. What would be cool is if Harris and Quisenberry do well, we could be an offensive, offensive line!

Thanks Badboy! The interesting thing about Quessenberry is that while I was at the Senior Bowl, I was talking to a CFL scout and he said that he was on their radar as well as a guy like Dysert. So, you may see Quessenberry drafted on Monday as well by the CFL

beerlover
05-03-2013, 12:44 PM
Thanks Badboy! The interesting thing about Quessenberry is that while I was at the Senior Bowl, I was talking to a CFL scout and he said that he was on their radar as well as a guy like Dysert. So, you may see Quessenberry drafted on Monday as well by the CFL

Quessenberry would be a great fit opposite Lane Johnson or even next to him LG in Chip Kelly offense which requires excellent movement in space. With Texans I'm just not sure where he fits in? maybe insurance for Wade Smith.

Scooter
05-03-2013, 12:46 PM
Don't sleep on Winn either.. he's your typical 'one cut' downhill type of runner with great acceleration. Wood does give you more 'wiggle' than Winn though

to be honest i completely missed winn. you're right though, he does have some possibility. where i see arian foster in wood, i see a lot of ben tate in winn. very very downhill in the little tape i've seen, decisive and explosive through the hole. it's going to be harder for him to catch on i think, because while i like his running, i dont see anything that's going to get him into the 53. i will give him the initial leg up on johnson for the 4th spot, however i think what johnson brings to special teams will be the deciding factor there.

loving the videos and the feedback em, keep up the good work.

thunderkyss
05-03-2013, 12:53 PM
I haven't watched it yet, so "insert disappointed" comment here. I catch it later & gripe about it in detail later.

Seņor Stan
05-03-2013, 01:55 PM
Which UDFA RB has the edge in your mind?


I've got them all even.

WolverineFan
05-03-2013, 07:16 PM
Quessenberry would be a great fit opposite Lane Johnson or even next to him LG in Chip Kelly offense which requires excellent movement in space. With Texans I'm just not sure where he fits in? maybe insurance for Wade Smith.

I see him taking over for Smith when his contract runs out. I also think Williams overtakes Newton in due time. This is exactly the kind of haul we've needed on the O-Line for some time.

beerlover
05-04-2013, 08:54 AM
I see him taking over for Smith when his contract runs out. I also think Williams overtakes Newton in due time. This is exactly the kind of haul we've needed on the O-Line for some time.

pretty much my thinking as well, point being Texans moved up to draft Quess because they graded him much higher, for instance I gave him a solid 4th rd. grade with a very good chance to be a starter someday in this league. actually Texans have been consistent in understanding need to address both positions WR & OL last couple years. Taking Brandon Brooks, RG in 3rd & Ben Jones C/OG 4th (where would Texans have been without them last season?)? then pair of WR's in DeVier Posey 3rd & Keshawn Martin 4th. So there has been steady influx of talent in positions of need during middle rounds for awhile as team retools under salary cap restrictions & eventual retirement, like any well ran business. I see similar situation this draft. A- is a very generous grade but we'll take it. Guess I'm warming up to this group as well :heart:

thunderkyss
05-04-2013, 10:32 AM
...for instance I gave him a solid 4th rd. grade with a very good chance to be a starter someday in this league.

When you're grading, do you have only 32 players ranked in each round? Or are your rankings based on the talent in the class? Would Quess have graded lower if there were players you thought were better, or is "a very good chance to be a starter" the deciding factor?

thunderkyss
05-04-2013, 10:39 AM
I haven't watched it yet, so "insert disappointed" comment here. I catch it later & gripe about it in detail later.

I wasn't disappointed at all. You showed more than a generic understanding of who we are & what we're trying to do. I do question how well you know our secondary though. Competition will be fierce.

Texanmike02
05-07-2013, 09:54 AM
Let me guess, the University of South East Atlanta- campus for the vision impaired, have similar talent at the RB spot to the Texans? LOL.

Sorry can't let it go but I did watch. Good job EM better than a lot of analysis I've seen.

Mike

TejasTom
05-07-2013, 11:03 PM
"can make you miss in a phone booth"

That's elusive.

beerlover
05-08-2013, 02:13 AM
When you're grading, do you have only 32 players ranked in each round? Or are your rankings based on the talent in the class? Would Quess have graded lower if there were players you thought were better, or is "a very good chance to be a starter" the deciding factor?

there is usually a pretty tight grouping of elite talent then it drops off quickly leveling out again, a great class might have only 9 or 10 next 20 or so could still have first round grades but become more & more need driven. Strength of 2013 draft was 2nd level developmental players rounds 2-4. Texans actually nailed a starter as a rookie in Hopkins, unlike Mercilus who has a ton of potential but a year or two away. DeAndre should have immediate impact.

Swearinger is a perfect example of a late 2n early 3rd round graded player who moved up Texans board because of Ed Reed health condition (Texans kept secret) plus understanding depth behind them needed serious upgrading, more so than drafting ILB, which grade wise they had a chance to grab a much higher graded player in Arthur Brown. Swearinger is way down the board than one pick from Brown, but Texans had a serious need to fill & while they paid dearly for it mission accomplished.

I've given this whole grading system some serious thought, every team is different but in Texans case they are very much coach driven, not such a bad thing. Better than Jerry Jones right? The Texans coaches mold the scouts to find their style of player @ every position of need. These don't seem to correlate necessarily to general perceptions, but they've hit home-runs plenty, JJ Watt, Duane Brown, Arian Foster, Brain Cushing to name just a few. All have one thing in common: they compete & have strong core strength. Hopkins seems to fall right into that category. Very hopeful to see good things out of Swearinger, Brennan, Trevardo as rooks anything from rest would just be icing on the cake :swatter:

beerlover
06-09-2013, 11:38 PM
Another pathway for comparison is to look within division. Did Texans draft support above average results measured against Colts, Titans & Jags? Jags goes without question. Titans went conservative, ground & pound, don't think that's going to work either. That leaves Colts - -- The Colts' 2013 draft class:

1st Round -- No. 24 overall - OLB Bjoern Werner, Florida State

3rd Round -- No. 86 overall -- OG Hugh Thornton, Illinois

4th Round -- No. 121 overall -- OC Khaled Holmes, Southern California

5th Round -- No. 139 overall -- DL Montori Hughes, Tennessee-Martin

6th Round -- No. 192 overall -- S John Boyett, Oregon

7th Round -- No. 230 overall -- RB Kerwynn Williams, Utah State

7th Round -- No. 254 overall -- TE Justice Cunningham, South Carolina

Certainly OL interior heavy which suggests the Watt factor & anytime you can get inside another teams war room the smell of victory is sure to follow. While I really like picks no way their impact supersedes that of Hopkins, Swearinger not to mention OL & DL additions. Thus setting a clear path for Texans to exercise an easier run into the playoffs. Luck aside its time of the Texan :logo: