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Hookem Horns

04-26-2007, 11:56 PM

If the Texans were just gonna dump Carr anyways, why didn't they draft Young when they had the chance? Williams is a good pick I guess but if they were just going to turn around and "upgrade" at qb the next year, why wouldn't the Texans just take Young? Doesn't make sense to me.

At what point did the Texans decide they were going another direction at qb? Was it after the last years draft? Also, what was up with Carr's contract? I mean, was it up, did he want a crazy extentsion or what? Why isn't Young a Texan? Seems like the logical choice.

Because before last year's draft the Texans were already set at the QB position. Carr was the face of the franchise and the man of the future. Carr just never had a chance to success due to bad coaching and Kubiak was going to get him going in the right direction. Any fan that said other wise was just a UT homer or had no clue about football.

Ole Miss Texan

04-27-2007, 12:00 AM

that's a good question.

But in all honesty, what makes you think Vince Young was the highest rated QB on their board?

He sure showed a lot last year, but just because he went to UT and is from Houston isn't why you take a QB #1. If you are really asking this from a football standpoint...you should include Matt Leinart too. I feel VY is in the debate mostly because he's from houston and did well after the fact, during his rookie campaign in the nfl.

Marcus

04-27-2007, 12:02 AM

This is not the official Texans message board, so I would have thought the mods would be more proactive regarding Titans trolls.

HJam72

04-27-2007, 12:10 AM

If the Texans were just gonna dump Carr anyways, why didn't they draft Young when they had the chance? Williams is a good pick I guess but if they were just going to turn around and "upgrade" at qb the next year, why wouldn't the Texans just take Young? Doesn't make sense to me.

At what point did the Texans decide they were going another direction at qb? Was it after the last years draft? Also, what was up with Carr's contract? I mean, was it up, did he want a crazy extentsion or what? Why isn't Young a Texan? Seems like the logical choice.

The answer to your question is they didn't yet know that Carr wasn't a great QB about to emerge, and they screwed up royally. Nothing against Williams, but they did. Just keep in mind that they might've taken Leinart instead. I'd be happy with either one of those two QBs and our second round pick back this year and next (Schaub trade) for losing Williams. They screwed up, but Williams is no slouch, had a bad foot last year, and will be a force to reckon with this coming year.

Hookem Horns

04-27-2007, 12:21 AM

They screwed up, but Williams is no slouch, had a bad foot last year, and will be a force to reckon with this coming year.

I am concerned about Williams foot. Those types of things can become chronic for a career. Have there been any updates down there on his condition?

CrunkTex

04-27-2007, 12:37 AM

Great thread...or greatest thread?

infantrycak

04-27-2007, 12:42 AM

I am concerned about Williams foot. Those types of things can become chronic for a career. Have there been any updates down there on his condition?

There was a podiatrist on one of the radio shows this week that said plantar fasciatis is not a chronic issue. Once you get it totally healed, there is no reason to expect a repeat. No personal knowledge but that is what was said.

GTFan

04-27-2007, 12:44 AM

I thought the Young debate had long gone away by now, but I'll bite....

Say we did take Young. We'd have Young and let's say the #19 pick in this year's draft like th Titans do.

Instead, we took Mario and we have the #10 pick. You COULD argue that a desperate team would be willing to trade a 2007 and 2008 2nd round picks to move from 19 to 10. Denver seems to be willing to move from 21 to 10 for a 2nd and a 3rd this year.

So, you could easily argue that the Young comparison becomes, which would you rather have:

Vince Young VS. Mario Williams AND Matt Schaub.

Schaub won't ever be the electrifying playmaker that Vince is, but he could end up being a much better pocket QB and to boot, we have Mario Williams. We won't ever know the grade of the '06 draft until we know how both Mario and Matt turn out.

HJam72

04-27-2007, 01:11 AM

The overall draft was great. With Smith replacing CC, I expect this one to be even better (I mean for the picks we have).

Bipolar The Titan

04-27-2007, 09:15 AM

This is not the official Texans message board, so I would have thought the mods would be more proactive regarding Titans trolls.

for what it's worth pal, this thread was moved to this area. I don't intend to be running smack or trolling or whatever you have perceived me to be up until this point. If you were to review my brief posting history on this forum it would become obvious to you that my intention here is purely coversational and informational. I find last years draft scenario interesting. I want to talk to the Texans fans about it and get their take.

I find the comment about being "set" at qb last year very interesting.

what I would like to know know, hindsight 20-20...
Would Houston be better off with Leinart, Cutler, or Young?

Texan_Bill

04-27-2007, 10:14 AM

There was a podiatrist on one of the radio shows this week that said plantar fasciatis is not a chronic issue. Once you get it totally healed, there is no reason to expect a repeat. No personal knowledge but that is what was said.

Although there are rare occasions that plantar fasciitis can re-occur and become an issue, you are correct that it is not typically a chronic issue.(personal knowledge)... However, if the plantar fasciitis is not treated - with rest, it can develop into other issues, from favoring that particular foot..

Vinny

04-27-2007, 10:15 AM

This is not the official Texans message board, so I would have thought the mods would be more proactive regarding Titans trolls. I may be more proactive on you....keep it to the thread or find another thread to participate in. We got the moderation handled thankyouverymuch.

Vinny

04-27-2007, 10:17 AM

I find the comment about being "set" at qb last year very interesting.

what I would like to know know, hindsight 20-20...
Would Houston be better off with Leinart, Cutler, or Young?It's because McNair was too meddling and had an unnatural love for David Carr that hurt the franchise...that's my take on the whole deal.

Of course they would have been better off dumping Carr last year and drafting a QB...but you can't rewind this stuff. It is what it is and we move forward. Beating this like a dead horse over and over and over is kinda troll-like though...I will say that much on behalf of Marcus. I know you have been around enough to see the redundant threads on this.

hadaad

04-27-2007, 10:38 AM

I agree with Vinny but i think it's also hard to let your #1 overall pick walk away without compensation, which they would have done last year if they hadn't picked up his extension. I know they did the same thing this year, after paying him a lot more money but without a good look at the guy, I doubt Kubiak would be confident in saying "Yup. Get rid of him."

As for who they'd be better with? I don't know, but I'd say out of the three of them, Schaub most closely compares to Leinart. So Leinart.

Honoring Earl 34

04-27-2007, 10:53 AM

I hope this ends up being an isolated incedent ( Mcnair coddling Carr ). You can't run a team with your heart .

I think Carr could have been OK in the right enviroment but he was not a cornerstone player . They needed a lead dog to set the bar high ... it ended up pretty laid back around the Texans camp .

This was really evident when Glenn , Sharper , and Walker left . After that it seemed the fire was gone .... 2-14 geez ... I might have cut them all after that .

Bipolar The Titan

04-27-2007, 03:37 PM

It's because McNair was too meddling and had an unnatural love for David Carr that hurt the franchise...that's my take on the whole deal.

Of course they would have been better off dumping Carr last year and drafting a QB...but you can't rewind this stuff. It is what it is and we move forward. Beating this like a dead horse over and over and over is kinda troll-like though...I will say that much on behalf of Marcus. I know you have been around enough to see the redundant threads on this.

you give me too much credit. I haven't really seen those threads. I'm sure they are there. ok... for anyone who wants to entertain some "out there" hypotheticals... Peyton Manning... I'm sure we can all agree that he has been the nfl's best qb the past 5 years. Suppose Peyton Manning is the Texans qb since 2002... take a deep breath, I know... but just say Carr never was a Texan... instead you had Peyton Manning. Do you think Manning, Mr. Immobile would have been able to acccomplish anything much more than Carr, given the set of circumstances that Carr had to deal with?

Don't brand me troll for asking this question... it's just interesting to "shoot the breeze" in this way... I'm not trying to engage in a peeing contest here with you good people... just trying to find some acceptance through thoughtful, intelligent posting. I can tell by the landscape of this mb that there is no place for the hard core smack, so I will of course save you that, although I do have a reputation for such communication... it's just that I have a policy of "when in rome"... here I am respectful in the way the community wants it because I want to participate.

So, would P-Man take you to the promised land?

follow up question... what do you say if it turns out Carr has a monster year with the Panthers? What then?

Vinny

04-27-2007, 03:39 PM

I wasn't trying to brand anyone a troll, but I did refer to the redundant cascade of this never-ending subject...a trolling type situtation. I told Marcus to let us take care of it and I've seen enough redundant threads about this to understand his pov. I "troll" on some subjects...it's all good.

HJam72

04-27-2007, 03:44 PM

you give me too much credit. I haven't really seen those threads. I'm sure they are there. ok... for anyone who wants to entertain some "out there" hypotheticals... Peyton Manning... I'm sure we can all agree that he has been the nfl's best qb the past 5 years. Suppose Peyton Manning is the Texans qb since 2002... take a deep breath, I know... but just say Carr never was a Texan... instead you had Peyton Manning. Do you think Manning, Mr. Immobile would have been able to acccomplish anything much more than Carr, given the set of circumstances that Carr had to deal with?

Don't brand me troll for asking this question... it's just interesting to "shoot the breeze" in this way... I'm not trying to engage in a peeing contest here with you good people... just trying to find some acceptance through thoughtful, intelligent posting. I can tell by the landscape of this mb that there is no place for the hard core smack, so I will of course save you that, although I do have a reputation for such communication... it's just that I have a policy of "when in rome"... here I am respectful in the way the community wants it because I want to participate.

So, would P-Man take you to the promised land?

follow up question... what do you say if it turns out Carr has a monster year with the Panthers? What then?

No, but we would've been better and probably made the playoffs before now.

One thing that should be mentioned is that we have (had, whatever) higher draft picks this year as a result of a 6-10 season that could've been better if we'd chosen Leinart, for instance. So, we got something back in the form of 2007 draft picks--and we still have Mario, so these things don't kill you forever. Only thing for sure is that LAST YEAR we would have had a better team with Leinart or Young.

On Carr and the Panthers: I hope that does happen, but, even if it does, it won't be for a few years. Carr needs to be coached up a lot. He's been coached badly for years, and Kubiak couldn't believe how unNFL ready he was. If it did happen that soon (I'd be shocked first off), I'd say that David Carr needed a new home REALLY BAD, because it wouldn't have happened nearly that fast around here.

Double Barrel

04-27-2007, 03:51 PM

ok... for anyone who wants to entertain some "out there" hypotheticals... Peyton Manning... I'm sure we can all agree that he has been the nfl's best qb the past 5 years. Suppose Peyton Manning is the Texans qb since 2002... take a deep breath, I know... but just say Carr never was a Texan... instead you had Peyton Manning. Do you think Manning, Mr. Immobile would have been able to acccomplish anything much more than Carr, given the set of circumstances that Carr had to deal with?

This is just my opinion, and I'm not a "Carr hater" (or "homer" for that matter)...

But Manning is world's above Carr as a QB. Where do we start? PM can make pre-snap reads and make adjustments, Carr couldn't. PM can audible hot routes to take advantage of match ups with the D (no doubt from his extensive viewing of game film), DC didn't. PM can feel the rush and step up into the pocket, making precision throws off of one foot a second before getting hit. He knows where his #2, #3, and #4 options are and how to get the ball to them in stride so they can rack up YAC.

Carr is a mediocre QB, at best. This isn't a slam any more than saying Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer are mediocre QBs (both have rings, btw). He just is who he is, and a look at his college scouting report reveals that he is the same player today as he was 5 years ago. Blame it on coaching, poor offensive line, Carr's head, all of the above, whatever, but he is not a player that will make vast strides in improving his game.

As far as my take of Carr in Carolina....I'd venture that their offensive line will look a whole lot worse when he starts taking snaps.

Bipolar The Titan

04-27-2007, 04:50 PM

that would be crazy if the Panthers won the NFC South.

Blazing Arrow

04-27-2007, 05:17 PM

that would be crazy if the Panthers won the NFC South.

Carr ..... 2007 NFC MVP :embarrass

Bipolar The Titan

04-27-2007, 05:20 PM

Carr ..... 2007 NFC MVP :embarrass

no... league mvp... even better! :devilpig:

Blazing Arrow

04-27-2007, 05:40 PM

no... league mvp... even better! :devilpig:

Well we all know who is going to get that .....

http://cache.viewimages.com/xt/72653593.jpg?v=1&g=editorial_na&s=1

Double Barrel

04-27-2007, 06:19 PM

Carr ..... 2007 NFC MVP :embarrass

Alright, I had a suspicion, but now it's confirmed: put down the crack pipe! :joker:

Bipolar The Titan

04-28-2007, 02:10 AM

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HJam72

04-28-2007, 03:30 AM

Ouch. :cool:

thunderkyss

04-30-2007, 11:45 PM

The answer to your question is they didn't yet know that Carr wasn't a great QB about to emerge, and they screwed up royally. Nothing against Williams, but they did. Just keep in mind that they might've taken Leinart instead. I'd be happy with either one of those two QBs and our second round pick back this year and next (Schaub trade) for losing Williams. They screwed up, but Williams is no slouch, had a bad foot last year, and will be a force to reckon with this coming year.

I've got nothing to back this up, this is all from the gut, but it makes more sense than what you have here. No offense HJam, if that's what you think it was, it just doesn't compute to me. You've got a guy who has been developing for 4 years and looks worse than he did on day one. You don't give that guy a three year deal & $8million if you don't know that he has it. If there was any uncertainty, you just let him walk, and try again.

Everything Kubiak said about David is as true today, as it was last January. He's got the size, he's got the arm, he's pretty athletic, and he's tough as nails. there is no reason to believe he won't be playing in the Super Bowl one day.

But think about all the players we've lost for no good reason. Sharper, Glenn, Coleman, Walker, Gafney, Robaire, Wand, and there were quite a few others. They weren't amoung the best in the league, but they were amoung the best players we had, and they still had a few years left in them. Think about Wand, it makes absolutely no sense to let him go the way we did, to keep Brad Bedell, who wasn't trusted to play the remainder of a game when our starter was on IR, and our back-up was obviously playing with tremendous pain.

And with everything that went down at the end of the season, I think David Carr was tearing this team apart.

IMHO, Kubiak figured we can continue to whittle this team down until we can actually start building around David Carr.

Or we can build our team around what was not a bad team in spite of David Carr.

Now David is in a good place... he's the back-up on what is relative to us, a winning team. They expect to win. If David can get that back, then who knows, maybe we'll see him in the Super Bowl. Maybe he'll be on the cover of Madden 2010. Maybe he'll be a top ten QB.... who knows??

Runner

05-01-2007, 12:05 AM

..."out there" hypotheticals... Peyton Manning... I'm sure we can all agree that he has been the nfl's best qb the past 5 years. Suppose Peyton Manning is the Texans qb since 2002... take a deep breath, I know... but just say Carr never was a Texan... instead you had Peyton Manning. Do you think Manning, Mr. Immobile would have been able to acccomplish anything much more than Carr, given the set of circumstances that Carr had to deal with?
...

Manning probably would have gotten hurt.

thunderkyss

05-01-2007, 12:06 AM

you give me too much credit. I haven't really seen those threads. I'm sure they are there. ok... for anyone who wants to entertain some "out there" hypotheticals... Peyton Manning... I'm sure we can all agree that he has been the nfl's best qb the past 5 years. Suppose Peyton Manning is the Texans qb since 2002... take a deep breath, I know... but just say Carr never was a Texan... instead you had Peyton Manning. Do you think Manning, Mr. Immobile would have been able to acccomplish anything much more than Carr, given the set of circumstances that Carr had to deal with?

I see what you're getting at. You're asking are we smart enough to know that a guy getting sacked over 200 times in 4 years means the OL sucks.

well, we know that we have protection issues. But the most honest guys here will tell you about the fresno tuck, they'll tell you about the fetal position, they'll tell you about the times our QB tripped on his own two feet, and just waited for the defense to jump on him.

Not like that play where Vince tripped on his own feet, then jumped up and threw a pretty dang good pass to Drew Bennette(I think it was Bennette) but Faggins just jumped in front of him and took that ball away.

Or when Plummer ate the dirt in our preseason game, but he bounced up and threw like a 30 yard strike.

Our guy layed there, and took the sack.

People around here want to be nice, but if you count all the times David pulled the ball back in (on a three step drop no less) that ended up in sacks, then half of his sacks in 2006 were on him.

follow up question... what do you say if it turns out Carr has a monster year with the Panthers? What then?

I'd say it took getting cut for him to wake up and start playing football.

Now let me ask you this. What would you say, if Benette, Wade, Henry & Brown go on to the ProBowl, and all of them make it to the play-offs, while you & Vince watch from Hooters?? What then?? How would you feel if David Givens is out for another season??

Y'know, stuff happens. We all make questionable decisions that don't work out the way we planned(Chris Brown... Lendale White.. PacMan Jones).. no reason to keep bringing it up. :gun:

Runner

05-01-2007, 12:12 AM

It is kind of funny. The first two or three years it was all the line's fault, and Carr was a golden boy with no faults for many on the board. I know there were some exceptions, but the majority blamed the line for all the problems. Now it is all Carr's fault and our line is good just the way it is.

I think Carr as a player and the o-line as a group all had problems, but I'm starting to sound like a troll on that subect.

thunderkyss

05-01-2007, 12:19 AM

Runner

05-01-2007, 12:31 AM

Yeah, it's kinda wierd how somethings improve over time, and other things don't.

And some things never change.

The world really is kind of grey, though I admit black and white thinking is much easier. That must be its allure.

thunderkyss

05-01-2007, 08:17 AM

And some things never change.

The world really is kind of grey, though I admit black and white thinking is much easier. That must be its allure.

We saw the same thing happen in '07. David played decent at the beginning of the year, and the rest of the team was blah... as the season went on, the rest of the team improved quite a bit. The run game was much better at the end of the year than it was at the beginning. The defense, better at the end of the year.... the QB play.... not as good. Everything has improved around him, but him.

color it black, white, gray, whatever, it's still a duck.

Texan_Bill

05-01-2007, 08:46 AM

LMAO....

David Carr is now the enemy! I hope he does as poorly as I hope Manning, VY or anyone playing against the Texans will do - other than that, good luck to the guy - MOVE ON... GAME OVER...

Coulda, shoulda, woulda.... Let it die people.

We just put more quarters in the game to play again. Lets just hope that Schaub can live up to the "potential" that the team valued so highly... If he sucks, bench him like Kubiak finally did with Carr in Tennessee. I don't think Kubes will coddle Schaub the way Carr was coddled under Capers.

I also beleive that Kubes (or the coaches) won't instruct Schaub to lock in on one receiver as Andre Johnson had suggested was being done with Carr... For all of those reasons (and many more), we will see great improvement from that position on the field. The real question is, will it be enough to make our O - go!

Well, thats why they play the games...

Shaft75

05-01-2007, 01:57 PM

I also beleive that Kubes (or the coaches) won't instruct Schaub to lock in on one receiver as Andre Johnson had suggested was being done with Carr...

He has mentored and played with some great NFL qbs. You are very true in that assesment. Gary just needs a qb that can at least digest a playbook or see that a good offensive system has a concept.
BUT... I think we need to get off the qbs and talk more about dbs... That is going to be are main struggle this year.

76Texan

05-01-2007, 06:54 PM

We saw the same thing happen in '07. David played decent at the beginning of the year, and the rest of the team was blah... as the season went on, the rest of the team improved quite a bit. The run game was much better at the end of the year than it was at the beginning. The defense, better at the end of the year.... the QB play.... not as good. Everything has improved around him, but him.

color it black, white, gray, whatever, it's still a duck.I've mentioned it before, toward the end, we played against many teams who were not good at defending the running game. Kubiak was taking advantage of that and ran the ball more. True, Carr did regress some. But no, the O-line did not improve its pass protection.

The Dream

05-10-2007, 05:08 PM

Because before last year's draft the Texans were already set at the QB position. Carr was the face of the franchise and the man of the future. Carr just never had a chance to success due to bad coaching and Kubiak was going to get him going in the right direction. Any fan that said other wise was just a UT homer or had no clue about football.

OR actually knew what the hell they were talking about...

ledzeppelin229

05-10-2007, 05:18 PM

Regardless of the Young debate, Carr was on thin ice and should have been replaced, whether it was Young or someone else. Not everyone that was sick of Carr was a UT homer that cried themselves to sleep when Mario was picked.

I had hopes that Kubiak would make him a functional QB, at the very least. But he just reverted back to the Pendry/Palmer gameplan - which clearly reflects the player moreso than the coaches. His role devolved the same way under three different OCs which definitely reduces Carr's coaching excuses.

The Dream

05-10-2007, 05:21 PM

^^i agree..before VY even decided to come out I thought it was time for the texans to head in another direction.....

Blazing Arrow

05-10-2007, 05:23 PM

Not everyone that was sick of Carr was a UT homer that cried themselves to sleep when Mario was picked.

How about after the 39 yard run in OT?

real

05-10-2007, 05:27 PM

delete

Specnatz

05-10-2007, 05:33 PM

David Carr is going to suffer wherever he goes...

I'm not even going to call the guy mediocre...that ship has sailed...I no longer have to be civil because Hulk is here...

David Carr was terrible...He's a seperate entity from the O-line...

Yes the O-line had their faults, but what does that have to do with David's ? It's

You do not have to be civil when talking about his football execution, or lack there of. At least you do not make it personnal.

ChildressTitanMan

06-13-2007, 03:24 PM

The Pencil Neck

06-13-2007, 03:35 PM

How would the Carr situation have played out had the Texans taken Bush or Da'Brick in last years draft? Williams will be a fine player but DE shouldn't have been top of your need list.

Delhomme has a habit of disappearing mid season So it isn't much of a leap to see Carr starting for Carolina at some point this coming season.

It's definately going to be interesting to see how Schaub performs behind your Line & if Carr will be any different behind the Panthers line.

I don't think having Bush or D'Brick would have had a huge impact on the Carr situation. And if anything, it would have been worse.

D'Brick gave up more sacks last year than our LT did. I think D'Brick is going to be a good LT but he wasn't a great one last year.

And, personally, I think Bush would have had problems. We needed an every down back and Bush needs to be a slash type of player. Bush started off slow last season and really wasn't good in the running game. If we had drafted him and with Domanick not coming back from injury, we would have needed RB to be an every down back and he would have failed miserably. Bush did much, much better as a receiver out of the backfield. But even then, he had to be fed the ball A LOT and he made a lot of negative or 0 yard plays. We wouldn't have had enough balls to give to him and to AJ.

So, I think if we had drafted either D'Brick (which is who I wanted to pick) or RB, we actually would have been worse off.

Double Barrel

06-13-2007, 03:41 PM

How would the Carr situation have played out had the Texans taken Bush or Da'Brick in last years draft? Williams will be a fine player but DE shouldn't have been top of your need list.

Better players won't fix mediocrity. Carr's problems - many a result of starting on an expansion team in his rookie year - are now far beyond just giving him a better team. Reading defenses and making adjustments, pocket presence, timing patterns, throwing down the middle, clutch play...these are things that are in the head, not in physical skills. And at this point in his career, many of Carr's problems are in his head.

As far as DE is concerned, the philosophy was that being in Manning's division means we'll need a solid pass rush. Obviously it's a 'time will tell' situation at this point.

ChildressTitanMan

06-13-2007, 03:52 PM

And at this point in his career, many of Carr's problems are in his head.

True.

Bad habits are hard to fix once they're ingrained. It undoubtedly hurt his development starting out with a new franchise.

One thing that is for sure is that he was done in Houston. I don't think any amount of new players around him would have restored his confidence. The same was said of Steve Young when he left TB though.

I'm not saying Carr could ever compare to Young but that sometimes guys can turn a career around.

Specnatz

06-13-2007, 03:57 PM

True.

Bad habits are hard to fix once they're ingrained. It undoubtedly hurt his development starting out with a new franchise.

One thing that is for sure is that he was done in Houston. I don't think any amount of new players around him would have restored his confidence. The same was said of Steve Young when he left TB though.

I'm not saying Carr could ever compare to Young but that sometimes guys can turn a career around.

I will take an educated guess when you say young that you are referring to vince and not Steve, but you say it like vy has been in the league 5 years and not just one year. But they do compare in one stat .. they both threw one more int than TD.

All I am saying is if you are goig to compare QBs, please use someone who has been in the league longer than only one season.

Runner

06-13-2007, 06:25 PM

D'Brick gave up more sacks last year than our LT did. I think D'Brick is going to be a good LT but he wasn't a great one last year.

D'Brick was also blocking for an NFL style passing attack.

But hey - give the Jets a call. Salaam for D'Brick, straight up, unless we can get a late round draft pick too. :)

Blazing Arrow

06-13-2007, 06:30 PM

I don't think having Bush or D'Brick would have had a huge impact on the Carr situation. And if anything, it would have been worse.

I think Bush would have helped Carr in the fact he would have had an outlet he currently does/did not have. Bush had 70+ rec with a heafty YAC. If the LB has to watch the back they are not going to be able to focus on the Qb as much and you will get less pressure. But I also think that would have been a stop gap until you eventually had to get rid of Carr.

Il_Bruno

06-13-2007, 06:31 PM

I will take an educated guess when you say young that you are referring to vince and not Steve, but you say it like vy has been in the league 5 years and not just one year. But they do compare in one stat .. they both threw one more int than TD.

All I am saying is if you are goig to compare QBs, please use someone who has been in the league longer than only one season.

Im pretty sure he was talking about steve young, cause vince had nothing to do with tampa bay.

dont just go out of your way to bash vince unless its called for, he's just saying that someone has turned a career around and become one of the better QBs to play the game after a bad start, much like David. Is it going to happen to carr? probably not, not enough fire in him to fuel a turnaround of that proportion, but its possible.

just not very likely :cool:

Specnatz

06-13-2007, 06:34 PM

Im pretty sure he was talking about steve young, cause vince had nothing to do with tampa bay.

dont just go out of your way to bash vince unless its called for, he's just saying that someone has turned a career around and become one of the better QBs to play the game after a bad start, much like David. Is it going to happen to carr? probably not, not enough fire in him to fuel a turnaround of that proportion, but its possible.

just not very likely :cool:

It was a joke badly done but only a joke.

The Pencil Neck

06-13-2007, 07:02 PM

I think Bush would have helped Carr in the fact he would have had an outlet he currently does/did not have. Bush had 70+ rec with a heafty YAC. If the LB has to watch the back they are not going to be able to focus on the Qb as much and you will get less pressure. But I also think that would have been a stop gap until you eventually had to get rid of Carr.

Carr didn't have a problem throwing to an outlet receiver. In fact, that was his biggest problem. He wasn't going through his reads in a lot of instances and just throwing it to the dumpoff.

Bush got 3.6 yards per carry behind an offensive line that was probably blocking better than ours was. If he had been with us, we would have needed him to be the #1 option running instead of a decoy. He would have been destroyed.

And in the passing game, he wouldn't have gotten 70+ receptions with us. As it was, we threw 88 passes to our RB's and the Saints threw over 140. The Saints had so many options working (Colston, Henderson, Horne) that they could afford to keep feeding RB the ball until he broke one.

Blazing Arrow

06-13-2007, 07:17 PM

Carr didn't have a problem throwing to an outlet receiver. In fact, that was his biggest problem. He wasn't going through his reads in a lot of instances and just throwing it to the dumpoff.

Bush got 3.6 yards per carry behind an offensive line that was probably blocking better than ours was. If he had been with us, we would have needed him to be the #1 option running instead of a decoy. He would have been destroyed.

And in the passing game, he wouldn't have gotten 70+ receptions with us. As it was, we threw 88 passes to our RB's and the Saints threw over 140. The Saints had so many options working (Colston, Henderson, Horne) that they could afford to keep feeding RB the ball until he broke one.

But Carr was not outletting to Bush. If he had Bush to outlet to the spead and the spread would have helped you guys out allot. Carr was shell shocked the last could of seasons. You put a speed back like Bush in there with Dayne as the heavy back I think it would have helped your O-line.

You also have to look at who the Saints had at RB. Bush and McCallister (rookie stud and proven back) vs Dayne and Lundy (bust and 6th round rookie).

True he could not have been an every down back and there is some weight to that but in the end he was a good outlet. For a struggling O-line getting the ball out quickly is key. Bush in the open field was amazing last season. Screens and outlets give that opportunity.

ChildressTitanMan

06-14-2007, 04:04 AM

Overalls

06-14-2007, 07:41 AM

I was a trade down guy last season, but I will admit that I started thinking about what we could do with DD/W and Bush in the same backfield when it started looking like we were going to take Bush. At that time I still had faith in Carr and thought DD/W was going to play for us and not spend the season on IR. The Mario pick did throw me off, but I have long since warmed to the idea of building a dominating D starting with the guys up. If we have gotten better production out of TJ and Babin we may not have felt the need to to go with Mario last season, but at this point it doesn't really matter. Babin for all his faults is still a player with upside and while he was like 67th in the league in sacks last season he still lead our lousey pass rush in sacks. TJ may be relegated to quality depth now, but without depth your line will severly suffer when it loses players to injury, like ours did last season. On paper, atleast we have the makings of a D that should climb the charts from last offseason. IF our D can give our O a shorter field to work with and IF Shaub can actually see some one besides AJ 3 yards down field we should get more yards. Just as an example. In the Titans games we lost by 6 points. One of those in OT. IF we would have held the Titans back a few yards once on D and prevented a FG we would have won the game. We would now be sitting here with the same record as the Titans because then both teams would be 7-9. Would it have been anything to brag about? No. Still in a game measured by yards you have to prevent the other team from getting yards. We have made strides this offseason toward preventing the other team from getting yards. If our D gells maybe we can start spending the higher draft picks on O. We could even spend a 1st next season on the best available RB, WR, or OT. Who knows.

LET THE GAMES BEGIN.

real

06-14-2007, 09:58 AM

But Carr was not outletting to Bush. If he had Bush to outlet to the spead and the spread would have helped you guys out allot. Carr was shell shocked the last could of seasons. You put a speed back like Bush in there with Dayne as the heavy back I think it would have helped your O-line.

You also have to look at who the Saints had at RB. Bush and McCallister (rookie stud and proven back) vs Dayne and Lundy (bust and 6th round rookie).

True he could not have been an every down back and there is some weight to that but in the end he was a good outlet. For a struggling O-line getting the ball out quickly is key. Bush in the open field was amazing last season. Screens and outlets give that opportunity.

Bush benefited from having offensive talent around him. In the Saints offense you can't key on Reggie. He'd have been keyed on here. You can give David Carr 3 pro-bowl recievers, a pro-bowl OL and a stud RB, and he still would be bad. David's problems have nothing to do with the talent around him, though it didn't help. David's problems have to do with mechanics, footwork, and timing...He is a nervouse guy in the pocket and it shows...He's indecisive...VERY POOR at making pre-snap reads....Poor Game manager...He gets too high with the good times, and too low with the bad....he's inconsistent...Can't escape pressure....Can't make throws when being pressured...has no feel for the pressure....does a poor job holding on to the ball when hit...Leadership skills are lacking...Confidence issues...doesn't take it upon himself to will his team to win....does a poor job leading recievers...does a poor job reading defenses which cause hardly any balls thrown over the middle or over 10 yards...Pretty much has to be told exactly what to do or he gets flustered and indecisive...I could go on and on about Mr. Carr...

He's a good guy (really a shame that I have to preface my sentence with that, and btw that is the last time as it is not relevant), but his footall skills, past his natural ability, is invisible. The only thing posotive you can say about David is that he has all the physical tools (which a lot of guys who weren't picked #1 overall have) and go down memory lane regarding his college stats...I really doubt David does well in Panther land because I just think he is a bad football player...no crime with that...he can help society in other ways...

But if he does do well, I will honestly admire him for getting over such adverity.

ChildressTitanMan

06-14-2007, 06:12 PM

We have made strides this offseason toward preventing the other team from getting yards. If our D gells maybe we can start spending the higher draft picks on O. We could even spend a 1st next season on the best available RB, WR, or OT. Who knows.

I think this has been Houston's problem all along. Either build a solid D or O & work forward from that. You now have a shot at finishing the job on the D side of things.

Texan_Bill

06-14-2007, 06:27 PM

I think this has been Houston's problem all along. Either build a solid D or O & work forward from that. You now have a shot at finishing the job on the D side of things.

Thats the criticism I have had. I think what skews it though, is that the C&C factory were all over the place. But overall I agree, pick a side of the ball to focus on, and you can still sprinkle in some picks on the other side of the ball.

Remember, for the Texans, this is Rick Smith's first draft class.

Bipolar The Titan

06-14-2007, 07:40 PM

http://images.sportinglife.com/07/03/330/MattSchaub_209601.jpg

Carr 2.0

Blazing Arrow

06-14-2007, 07:46 PM

I always thought it was get the Carr dirty, then use the shammy ....

http://diskdoctor.com.au/sites/diskdoctor.com.au/images/products/large/shammy_lg.jpg

Honoring Earl 34

06-14-2007, 07:48 PM

I always thought it was get the Carr dirty, then use the shammy ....

http://diskdoctor.com.au/sites/diskdoctor.com.au/images/products/large/shammy_lg.jpg

Your mad because your MVP is not here anymore .

Blazing Arrow

06-14-2007, 07:51 PM

Your mad because your MVP is not here anymore .

I know the AFC South just lost ~25 sacks a season. Fingers crossed that Shammy can hold Carr's jock when it comes to sacks totals.

Bipolar The Titan

06-14-2007, 07:55 PM

Your mad because your MVP is not here anymore .

http://images.nfl.com/u/photos/pl_834313.jpg

this mvp? What? Did break his boot camp for inexperienced receivers to give 'em time off before training camp? ohh.. I'm furious! :wild:

Blazing Arrow

06-14-2007, 10:08 PM

http://images.nfl.com/u/photos/pl_834313.jpg

this mvp? What? Did break his boot camp for inexperienced receivers to give 'em time off before training camp? ohh.. I'm furious! :wild:

I hear Joel Filani showed up late to the "optional" WR camp and Young pinned him on the ground tied two full racks of beef ribs on him and let L-Dub chase him for five hours before finally releasing him.

Young was quoted as saying "If I don't motivate them I will find someone who does."

PitBull

06-15-2007, 08:41 AM

you really have to wonder if Schuab would be considered an upgrade over Carr..

Sure.. most Texans fans were pleased and almost relieved to see him hit the road, but to be honest I've always reserved a little bit of admiration for Carr and the way his game elevated over the five years as a starter while noting last years comp% as one of the highest in the league. Well, umm.. 'admiration' might be considered giving him too much credit, so i'll just stick with the word 'respect' instead.

Comparing both QBs int/comp would put Carr in the lead at 1 int per 32 attempts compared to Schaub's 1 int per 27 attempts, and when it comes down to it.. you can't help but wonder if Carr would fit in more comfortably with the Panther's o-line compared to the Texan's line which many would argue to never really have hit its comfort level since 02.

I would have probably stuck with Carr considering the 5 years already invested in him and tried to make the changes around him instead of at him and drafted Reggie Bush to help out in the ground attack instead..

But hey... last years' draft is old news as many on this thread have already mentioned and good luck with the new guy.. although it might just require more than just luck to expect better results from him than Carr.

Specnatz

06-15-2007, 09:19 AM

real

06-15-2007, 09:25 AM

PitBull

06-15-2007, 09:37 AM

Great post. :sarcasm:

It shows you know nothing about football or the Texans or Carr or watched any games and you only looked at the stat sheet. Nice job. If you go by pass completion % you would take Frye over Brady, and that would be just smart right?

:user: .. How honored..
You must be in charge of the welcoming committee here.
Why i am not surprised that my first post would be most welcomed by moo... my bad.. i mean 'you'.

Thanks for reminding me to leave out the stats next time i attempt to compare QBs. Instead, just go on instincts and who you think would do a better job under the circumstances. http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/sarcasm.gif

real

06-15-2007, 09:45 AM

Thanks for reminding me to leave out the stats next time i attempt to compare QBs. Instead, just go on instincts and who you think would do a better job under the circumstances. :sarcasm:

This coming from a team with VY as it's QB. I thought maybe you'd have a basic understanding of football past a stat sheet.....guess not.

PitBull

06-15-2007, 09:49 AM

This coming from a team with VY as it's QB. I thought maybe you'd have a basic understanding of football past a stat sheet.....guess not.

Oh no.. what do I know.
Its not like poor little ‘me’ boasts the knowledge to go head to head with such a great fan such as yourself who has seen many QBs play and succeed for the team he supports.

:fans:

God forbids I try to shed some common sense on a fan whose coaching staff just recently passed on the QB of a lifetime just to turn around and sign a medicore QB at best less than a year later.

real

06-15-2007, 09:56 AM

God forbids I try to shed some common sense on a fan whose coaching staff just recently passed on the QB of a lifetime just to turn around and sign a medicore QB at best less than a year later.

Not really sure what that has to do with anything.

God forbid someone judges a QB by actually watching a game instead of searching the net for stats, otherwise your QB sucks. Fantasy football IS your friend.:heart:

Honoring Earl 34

06-15-2007, 10:00 AM

God forbids I try to shed some common sense on a fan whose coaching staff just recently passed on the QB of a lifetime just to turn around and sign a medicore QB at best less than a year later.

While Vince is a play maker ... I might wait 10 years before I deem him QB of a lifetime .

How do you know Schaub's mediocre at best ? I think Schaub will have a better passing year than once in a lifetime QB .

Carr needed to go ... the Texans and Carr were tired of each other . Besides we really needed what Carr did'nt have . :cowboy1:

PitBull

06-15-2007, 10:00 AM

Not really sure what that has to do with anything.

God forbid someone judges a QB by actually watching a game instead of searching the net for stats, otherwise your QB sucks. Fantasy football IS your friend.:heart:

Great response..
You nearly got me there..

Instead i prefer to judge QBs by their ability to do this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0FO3c01XwGI

unless you're comparing the skills of the two.. which i really for your sake hope you're not.

PitBull

06-15-2007, 10:06 AM

While Vince is a play maker ... I might wait 10 years before I deem him QB of a lifetime .

How do you know Schaub's mediocre at best ? I think Schaub will have a better passing year than once in a lifetime QB .

Carr needed to go ... the Texans and Carr were tired of each other . Besides we really needed what Carr did'nt have . :cowboy1:

Although i'm not a Texans fan, i have watched enough games to maybe yet 'foolishly' suggest that Carr might have been able to perform his duties as a QB at a higher level if maybe he was better protected by a better o-line. Maybe the coaching staff shold have concentrated a little more on that.

Is Schaub so much better than Carr, and does he possess the experience to provide better results than a 5 year vet who has lived the system..?

real

06-15-2007, 10:06 AM

Great response..
You nearly got me there..

Instead i prefer to judge QBs by their ability to do this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0FO3c01XwGI

unless you're comparing the skills of the two.. which i really for your sake hope you're not.

I guess in your opinion Dan Marino was terrible, and Randall Cunningham was the greatest.

Gotcha.:cowboy1:

PitBull

06-15-2007, 10:08 AM

I'm really not trying to be a smart ass or your typical 'troll'.. yet i'm simply puzzled by what mgt is thinking. :gun:

real

06-15-2007, 10:08 AM

Although i'm not a Texans fan, i have watched enough games to maybe yet 'foolishly' suggest that Carr might have been able to perform his duties as a QB at a higher level if maybe he was better protected by a better o-line. Is Schaub so much better than Carr, and does he possess the experience to provide better results than a 5 year vet who has lived the system..?

Signed,

Drew Bledsoe

Co-signed,

Tom Brady and Tony Romo

real

06-15-2007, 10:11 AM

I'm really not trying to be a smart ass or your typical 'troll'.. yet i'm simply puzzled by what mgt is thinking. :gun:

This is life. In every life situation you aren't going to have the best insight being on the outside looking in.

Confusion is expected by those who use stats as their 'guiding light'. Much like VY nay-sayers. I just thought maybe since VY was your QB you'd have better insight to the fact that intangibles and a feel for the game DO matter. Being QB is much more than having 'ability', otherwise Ryan Leaf would still be playing.

PitBull

06-15-2007, 10:13 AM

I guess in your opinion Dan Marino was terrible, and Randall Cunningham was the greatest.

Gotcha.:cowboy1:

umm..
are we playing chess here? Poker?
Strip poker and show me them cow titties? :devilpig:

hell.. I think i've made valid points on why Carr would have possibly been a better QB and even threw in some stats to validate my point. If i knew your arguments would soley be revolving over these stats i probably should have left them out.

Another poster said that Shaub is an upgrade.. My question is why do you think that.. Is carr really that bad in your opinion? Do you really credit all your losing seasons to him?

Honoring Earl 34

06-15-2007, 10:18 AM

real

06-15-2007, 10:23 AM

umm..
are we playing chess here? Poker?
Strip poker and show me them cow titties? :devilpig:

hell.. I think i've made valid points on why Carr would have possibly been a better QB and even threw in some stats to validate my point. If i knew your arguments would soley be revolving over these stats i probably should have left them out.

Another poster said that Shaub is an upgrade.. My question is why do you think that.. Is carr really that bad in your opinion? Do you really credit all your losing seasons to him?

Carr had bad footwork, bad timing, terrible at reading defenses, terrible feel for the rush, could not make throws under pressure, didn't know how to 'buy time' to make throws, had a hard time making throws over the middle, did a bad job with ball placement, he was easily rattled, confidence issues, leadership issues, indecisive, poor at making pre-snap reads, didn't put the pressure of winning upon himself....ect....

The reasons that you give that Carr could have been successful can be used for any QB taken in the first round that has bust. You don't take guys without the 'physical tools' in the first round. So it pretty much goes without saying that he had the 'physical tools', but beyond that Carr was a bad football player.

Again, I really don't expect you to know any of that seeing as the basis of your opinion comes from stats and not actually watching the games. Your opinion is no different than most other teams fans who cruise the internet on Monday morning looking at completion percentages and INT to TD ratio's. But like I said, that is to be expected.

How about this....How about you give some valid reasons other than his physical tools, strong arm, and college stats as to why you think he is a good QB.

PitBull

06-15-2007, 10:27 AM

As a fan of the Texans and a fan of the NFL , at least I have a ray of hope in June as opposed to ... damn I hope the defense is good enough to carry us .

Good luck with that..
I'm sure the addition of Ahman Green, Jordan Black, and Amobi would provide most fans much enthusiasm, yet does the replacement of Carr in your opinion make for better results? Shouldn't Carr be given a chance to prove if he can turn the state of this franchise around with all the positive additions to the roster during this off season.

Texan_Bill

06-15-2007, 10:28 AM

Although i'm not a Texans fan, i have watched enough games to maybe yet 'foolishly' suggest that Carr might have been able to perform his duties as a QB at a higher level if maybe he was better protected by a better o-line. Maybe the coaching staff shold have concentrated a little more on that.

Is Schaub so much better than Carr, and does he possess the experience to provide better results than a 5 year vet who has lived the system..?

First, Carr's time here was done. I am of the opinion that he will be just fine somewhere else, BUT that is irrelevant. His time here was played out. Both sides needed a breath of fresh air... PERIOD!!

Second, Carr has NOT lived "the system". He went through 3-4 different schemes in 5 years which I beleive lended itself to the problem. BUT again, his time here was played out... The timing was good to move on - for both sides.

"Is Schaub so much.........???" Well thats why they play the games.

Last, I know a couple of people have mentioned that you need to watch the games and quit looking at stats. This is true. In doing so, enjoy VY's run because there aint a whole lot to look at with him throwing the ball...

Honoring Earl 34

06-15-2007, 10:29 AM

If there's one topic that's been disected and re-examined to a fault it's Carr . Pitbull ... you can't add anything new to a Carr thread .

Texan_Bill

06-15-2007, 10:30 AM

I'm sure the addition of Ahman Green, Jordan Black, and Amobi would provide most fans much enthusiasm, yet does the replacement of Carr in your opinion make for better results? Shouldn't Carr be given a chance to prove if he can turn the state of this franchise around with all the positive additions to the roster during this off season.

NO!

Again, the Carr period played out. It's over. Both sides have moved on. Good luck to Carr, but better luck to Schaub....

PitBull

06-15-2007, 10:34 AM

How about this....How about you give some valid reasons other than his physical tools, strong arm, and college stats as to why you think he is a good QB.

I don't recall saying he's a good QB. I did however suggest that I would take him and his experience as a starter as well as his positive attitude over Scaub who frankly hasen't proven to be better than Carr during his 3 years as a backup.

Wouldn't you have prefered to bring in Schaub and test him while benching Carr to determine first hand if he should win over the position instead of dumping one questionable QB for another?

Texan_Bill

06-15-2007, 10:38 AM

PitBull

06-15-2007, 10:44 AM

Two words: Salary Cap

Schaub's stock was pretty hight throughout the NFL. You would not have been able to trade for Schaub, sign him to a contract that is competitive with what other teams were willing to pay AND pay Carr's contract. We already take (I think it is) a $ 2 million hit for Carrs contract.

good luck then.
I honestly hope Mario Williams works out for you too.

It would be a shame if he didn't considering all the other QBs who were on the board.

Specnatz

06-15-2007, 10:53 AM

Good luck with that..
I'm sure the addition of Ahman Green, Jordan Black, and Amobi would provide most fans much enthusiasm, yet does the replacement of Carr in your opinion make for better results? Shouldn't Carr be given a chance to prove if he can turn the state of this franchise around with all the positive additions to the roster during this off season.

No he had enough chances before this year and his dink and dunk BS was old and not worth anything. After being cut, no team wanted him as their starter. That tells the story right there!

Oh nice clip of a running back, do you have one of an actualy QB, you know where they throw the ball?

PitBull

06-15-2007, 10:57 AM

Oh nice clip of a running back, do you have one of an actualy QB, you know where they throw the ball?

Oh you'll see plenty of throwing next year.
You really can't blame the poor performance and drops from our WRs on Vince. Last year was a bad one in terms of receivers. I'm sure you already know that. Why are you even bringing it up.

Hope your defense can keep up...

:d:

Double Barrel

06-15-2007, 11:01 AM

I've always reserved a little bit of admiration for Carr and the way his game elevated over the five years as a starter while noting last years comp% as one of the highest in the league.

yeah, that one meaningful TD he threw in the last ten games of 2006 was simply amazing! :joker:

As far as your opinion of Schaub...'eh, whatever. He's unproven at this point, so your negative analysis of him holds a much weight as a blind homer's take. Nobody really knows if he's an upgrade, but all indications at this early point indicates that he is a far better QB than our previous signal caller. Obviously, only time will tell.

Texan_Bill

06-15-2007, 11:02 AM

Oh you'll see plenty of throwing next year.
You really can't blame the poor performance and drops from our WRs on Vince. Last year was a bad one in terms of receivers. I'm sure you already know that. Why are you even bringing it up.

Hope your defense can keep up...

:d:

LMAO... Who is he going to throw it to?? LenDale "I have never met a buffet that I didn't like" White out of the backfield? How's that off-season going anyway?

News flash, VY does NOT have a stellar arm..

The "D" will more than keep up... MW, AO and DR meet at the QB!!!

PitBull

06-15-2007, 11:10 AM

LMAO... Who is he going to throw it to?? LenDale "I have never met a buffet that I didn't like" White out of the backfield? How's that off-season going anyway?

Oh how nice.
I'm assuming you're the smack monster of this forum..
how unfortunate.. how weak..

http://www.halhigdon.com/rundogsrun/dogart/laugh.jpg

Did you giggle when you made that post?

PitBull

06-15-2007, 11:14 AM

Who is he going to throw it to?? LenDale "I have never met a buffet that I didn't like" White out of the backfield?

http://home.deds.nl/~stygmata/forumspam/jerry_laugh.jpg

Texan_Bill

06-15-2007, 11:18 AM

Oh how nice.
I'm assuming you're the smack monster of this forum..
how unfortunate.. how weak..

Did you giggle when you made that post?

First, I don't talk smack. I speak in truths.

Perhaps you ought to lurk around, read, get acquainted BEFORE you troll.... We have done battle with way more knowledgable Tinbread fans and VY man-crushes than you... This was evident by your very first post.

PitBull

06-15-2007, 11:23 AM

First, I don't talk smack. I speak in truths.

Perhaps you ought to lurk around, read, get acquainted BEFORE you troll.... We have done battle with way more knowledgable Tinbread fans and VY man-crushes than you... This was evident by your very first post.

You speak in truths? how amusing..
How is there any truth to VY throwing to Lendale White? How retarded is that?

Your ignorance and the fact you have no clue of your rival rosters might be reason for what you think is true..

Bill...Get a clue about what you're talking about before you start ranting juvenile comments.

So far.. this is what you look like to me..

http://www.fnfclan.com/forums/uploads/post-91-1101866561.gif

real

06-15-2007, 11:23 AM

Honoring Earl 34

06-15-2007, 11:29 AM

You speak in truths? how amusing..
How is there any truth to VY throwing to Lendale White? How retarded is that?

Your ignorance and the fact you have no clue of your rival rosters might be reason for what you think is true..

Bill...Get a clue about what you're talking about before you start ranting juvenile comments.

So far.. this is what you look like to me..

http://www.fnfclan.com/forums/uploads/post-91-1101866561.gif

Pitbull ... should'nt you be a Vick fan ?

Lendale White would come out of the backfield to catch a pass .... there is such a play .

Oh well you still have Bennett and Wade to throw too .

Hey ... what about Pacman ... VY gonna play CB and return kicks ... oh wait you drafted a safety for that .

The Pencil Neck

06-15-2007, 11:39 AM

Although i'm not a Texans fan, i have watched enough games to maybe yet 'foolishly' suggest that Carr might have been able to perform his duties as a QB at a higher level if maybe he was better protected by a better o-line. Maybe the coaching staff shold have concentrated a little more on that.

Is Schaub so much better than Carr, and does he possess the experience to provide better results than a 5 year vet who has lived the system..?

Yes.

Carr ws not the right kind of guy to play in our system and has only played in it for 1 year. Did you ever see Rob Johnson play? Carr is Rob Johnson. He holds the ball too long and takes too long to make the decision to run. He can't find open receivers and he can't read defenses. Like Rob Johnson, Carr is an "athlete" who really can't translate his athleticism into good QB play. He's also got really bad ball security, he holds the ball low and in one hand when he runs. He's a fumble waiting to happen.

He had 2 games last year where he threw for less than 100 yards (one of them, he threw for -5 yards net.) He almost cost us those games and he did cost us other games.

Schaub has been in the system (or related systems) for 7 or 8 years. He is the right kind of QB to play in our system. He gets rid of the ball quickly and he's able to read defenses. He's able to run effectively. He has an over the top throwing motion that won't get batted down as often as Carr's sidearm delivery.

So, yeah, getting rid of Carr was a good thing.

Texan_Bill

06-15-2007, 11:42 AM

You speak in truths? how amusing..
How is there any truth to VY throwing to Lendale White? How retarded is that?

Your ignorance and the fact you have no clue of your rival rosters might be reason for what you think is true..

Bill...Get a clue about what you're talking about before you start ranting juvenile comments.

So far.. this is what you look like to me..

Is LenDale White a running back for the Tinnbreads? Isn't VY a QB (sort of) for the Tinnbreads? Do QB's throw to their running backs coming out of the backfield? Are Titans not the inbred children of Uranus??

Its official, both White and Young are on the roster: Tinnbreads Roster (http://www.titansonline.com/team/players/name.php)

Link for you: Football 101 for Girls (http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/9-19-2005-77112.asp)

Okay... I'm done. At least, Blazing Arrow, Bipolar Titan, and ChildressTitanMan are knowledgable and we can have some interesting discussions AND fun jabbing back and forth....

PitBull

06-15-2007, 11:43 AM

Pitbull ... should'nt you be a Vick fan ?

Lendale White would come out of the backfield to catch a pass .... there is such a play .

Oh well you still have Bennett and Wade to throw too .

Naah..
Dumping the two is probably the best thing Fish has done in the entire offseason.

We do however have David Givens, Roby, Brandon Jones and rookie Paul Williams to throw to if that means anything.

Probably not in comparison to all the talent which you have on the receieving side of the ball.. :wild:

Oh wait.. who’s going to throw to them..
Oh nevermind.... Atlanta’s backup QB.

Good luck with that..

And this:

http://images.nfl.com/photos/img9408703.jpg

Texan_Bill

06-15-2007, 11:43 AM

Specnatz.... Polish this kid off!!

PitBull

06-15-2007, 11:50 AM

Is LenDale White a running back for the Tinnbreads? Isn't VY a QB (sort of) for the Tinnbreads? Do QB's throw to their running backs coming out of the backfield? Are Titans not the inbred children of Uranus??

absolutely pathetic.:wacko:

And to think i actually took the time to read that..

You're right tho about trolls having to look around first before sharing thoughts with the members.. By doing so I could have avoided sharing thoughts with a (no-sense) foil-muncher such as you..

Specnatz

06-15-2007, 11:51 AM

Naah..
Dumping the two is probably the best thing Fish has done in the entire offseason.

We do however have David Givens, Roby, Brandon Jones and rookie Paul Williams to throw to if that means anything.

Probably not in comparison to all the talent which you have on the receieving side of the ball.. :wild:

Oh wait.. who’s going to throw to them..
Oh nevermind.... Atlanta’s backup QB.

Good luck with that..

And this:

http://images.nfl.com/photos/img9408703.jpg

Well any backup QB can throw better than vy if you go by that mighty 32nd ranked 51.5% passing. So it does not matter what wr are there because no one to get them the ball unless they create running plays for them.

Mario will be just fine and I am perfectly happy having him.

:texflag:

Specnatz

06-15-2007, 11:57 AM

PitBull

06-15-2007, 12:13 PM

Let me add, that you came here to try and troll and insult the Texans about getting rid of a QB how did a wonderful completion rating but when you only throw 5 yard slant passes, you better complete it, well unless you have the worst completion percentage in the league. When you have a worse completion % than the oakland raiders you know you do not a have a QB but rather a runningback/wr playing the QB position.

Seriously if you are going to talk smack at least bring it and make a good point, but know you came here with some weak ass attempt and sucked doing it. Now go ask mom, dad or your gerbal for some better smack talk or better yet let people with a few more IQ points to do it so you do not embarrasse the rest of possum hollar.

Great… Now let me say that I did not initiate the smack nor did I make ‘wacko’ statements by giving credit to Carr for putting up with the weak protection he had during his 5 years in Houston.

Bringing in Schaub might sound like the right thing to do to a desperate franchise such as yours, yet i don't see how it makes sense to replace one QB with another who probably won’t do any better under the current system..

Competing for last place in the division for the last five years doesn’t really put you in a position to mock any other QB or franchise but yours. I really don’t think my smack was initiated but more in a response to some of the retarded so called fans posting in your forum.

Good luck to you.. Hope you end the season with more wins than losses. Can’t wait to hear what you’ll be mooing then.

Blazing Arrow

06-15-2007, 12:23 PM

Specnatz.... Polish this kid off!!

This thread took a terrible turn ... :joker:

Specnatz

06-15-2007, 12:31 PM

I really don’t think my smack was initiated but more in a response to some of the retarded so called fans posting in your forum.

Hey they are so called fans of the titans, yet they are on the Texans board, but what can you expect but retarded postings from them.

Texan_Bill

06-15-2007, 12:38 PM

This thread took a terrible turn ... :joker:

Now that your back, we can get it on track......

Just give me a minute to read Specnatz' posts.... I wont bother with that kids drivel..

Honoring Earl 34

06-15-2007, 12:51 PM

This thread took a terrible turn ... :joker:

This why I'm for year around schooling .

Blazing Arrow

06-15-2007, 12:57 PM

Pittbull is misunderstood. He is actually a really knowledgable football guy, pretty funny. I think his post was meant to bring life back to the thread and take a different angle on it.

If you look back at the post Pitbull was not the first one to throw a stone, he gave a perspective and Specnatz lashed back with:

It shows you know nothing about football or the Texans or Carr or watched any games and you only looked at the stat sheet. Nice job.

You swat a pitbull in the nose I would expect it to chomp back.

real

06-15-2007, 01:01 PM

You swat a pitbull in the nose I would expect it to chomp back.

Much like I'd expect one Titan to take up for another.

Your attempt to make it seem like pittbull wasn't talking smack is weak at best.

He is a fan of the Titans questioning Texans management. Yeah, I'm sure his concerns are legit.

Specnatz

06-15-2007, 01:02 PM

Pittbull is misunderstood. He is actually a really knowledgable football guy, pretty funny. I think his post was meant to bring life back to the thread and take a different angle on it.

If you look back at the post Pitbull was not the first one to throw a stone, he gave a perspective and Specnatz lashed back with:

You swat a pitbull in the nose I would expect it to chomp back.

Unless that pitbull has no teeth and has been nuetered

Honoring Earl 34

06-15-2007, 01:03 PM

He who cast the first bone .

Blazing Arrow

06-15-2007, 01:07 PM

Much like I'd expect one Titan to take up for another.

Your attempt to make it seem like pittbull wasn't talking smack is weak at best.

He is a fan of the Titans questioning Texans management. Yeah, I'm sure his concerns are legit.

Like I stuck up for UTVinceYoung :rolleyes:

Texan_Bill

06-15-2007, 01:14 PM

real

06-15-2007, 01:16 PM

Like I stuck up for UTVinceYoung :rolleyes:

My bad for not studying your post history. I don't even know who that is.

Double Barrel

06-15-2007, 01:22 PM

Pittbull is misunderstood. He is actually a really knowledgable football guy....

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight :ok:

I've always reserved a little bit of admiration for Carr and the way his game elevated over the five years as a starter while noting last years comp% as one of the highest in the league.

He is a fan of the Titans questioning Texans management.

I really don't know how any fan of a Bud Adams team can question another team's management.

The Texans are only five years old. Is there really that much sport in kicking a relatively new franchise that came into the league under the harshest of expansion deals?

Seriously, I envision Titans fans kicking the canes out from old folks, just because it makes them feel like the men they want to be in their heads.

real

06-15-2007, 01:39 PM

Seriously, I envision Titans fans kicking the canes out from old folks, just because it makes them feel like the men they want to be in their heads.

Pretty much.

I freely acknowledge that we've been on of the worst teams in the leauge since inception.

But if you are the fan of another team and feel the need to come to our site and talk smack, it doesn't say a whole lot positive about the state of your franchise.

Double Barrel

06-15-2007, 01:45 PM

I figure it'll all come crashing down when reality pops their bubble of delusion.

Texans fans, on the other hand, harbor no illusions about our team. Sure, we are hopeful, but for the most part, our expectations are based in a realistic outlook. Optimism for a winning season is nothing compared to the Grand Illusion of Super Bowl aspirations expected of The Great One. Anything less than a ring is failure in their eyes.

Blazing Arrow

06-15-2007, 02:03 PM

BA, I will give you the benefit of the doubt with pitbull, but really, we are tired of re-hashing the Carr thing. Bottom Line, is that it was time for the Texans (and Carr for that matter) to move on.. DC may make it back, but he was never going to do it here.

See if you had replied to him with something in this tone this thread would have completely changed.

And honestly if he had come on here with a huge post that went through some of the intangables would it have been met with anything less?

I ran this one before last season showing what a chump he is. Ran it on my board and the Jags board. Texans fans came out by the boat load to try to tear it down. One season later he is garbage. Kind of funny.

We all know about the trouble Tim Couch had in Cleveland. His first season he set a record for most sacks in a season. He only Qbed one winning season at 9-7 and the second best year being a 7-9 season. He has been in the league since 99 (5 years as a started) the year the Browns made there come back to the NFL. Touted as there savior and the future of the team, fans poured into NFL shops to buy his jersey. Set back after set back slowly sunk Couch into mediocrity. First it was the line that was giving him issues. Then he did not have the receiver core needed to make his passes. Slowly people realized that yes these played a factor but Tim Couch would never amount to anything, being at best a backup on a mid level team.

This made me think of the career of David Carr. His first season he set a record for most sacks in a season. Carr has never had a winning season, and his best season to date was ‘04 when he led the Texans to a 7-9 season. When drafted #1 the Texans felt they had a base to grow on. This guy could do something special in the NFL or that was the talk around the league. The fledgling Houston fans and disgruntled Oiler fans of years past rushed to buy his jersey. Carr has not pointed fingers but goes out day in and day out and plays. Analysts in the league pointed the fingers for him. First it was his O-line. Then a lack of depths at the WR position. Starting to sound familiar?

I will take this even further…..

In 60 games Carr has a QB rating of 73.7, a completion percentage of 57.8 and a TD to INT ratio of .91.

In 62 games Couch has a QB rating of 75.1, a completion percentage of 59.8 and a TD to INT ratio of .96

Both are close in yards per game at 179.5 for Couch to Carrs 177.1. They also have the same numbers when it comes to average yards per pass of 6.5.
Tim Couch sacked 166 times; Carr 208.

When will the Cow fans realize they drafted another Couch? With the number one pick last season and a RB coming off of knee surgery the draft would seem obvious with a phenom RB and 3 solid choices at QB to replace what ales them. Instead they choose to pick a DE? It would seem that the Texans are destined to follow in the steps of the Browns. When we do not remember history it is bound to repeat itself

Blazing Arrow

06-15-2007, 02:26 PM

The Texans are only five years old. Is there really that much sport in kicking a relatively new franchise that came into the league under the harshest of expansion deals?

Seriously, I envision Titans fans kicking the canes out from old folks, just because it makes them feel like the men they want to be in their heads.

You did not pull the wow is me card did you? Seriously? We are division rivals .... It is not as if anyone on here is just spouting:

Texans SUCK!!!!

If you live in homer land and listen to what is put up on your own board you would think your team is going to win the Super Bowl every season. To get a more realistic look it is always good to check out what the enemy thinks about you and what your weaknesses are.

real

06-15-2007, 02:31 PM

You did not pull the wow is me card did you? Seriously? We are division rivals .... It is not as if anyone on here is just spouting:

Texans SUCK!!!!

If you live in homer land and listen to what is put up on your own board you would think your team is going to win the Super Bowl every season. To get a more realistic look it is always good to check out what the enemy thinks about you and what your weaknesses are.

How can you give a realistic opinion about a team you watch twice a year ?

Blazing Arrow

06-15-2007, 02:36 PM

How can you give a realistic opinion about a team you watch twice a year ?

Honestly I will admit I watch about 6~8 Texans games a season. I also have Tivo and DTV. I like to keep up on division rivals. I do the same for the Jags and the Colts.

real

06-15-2007, 02:53 PM

Honestly I will admit I watch about 6~8 Texans games a season. I also have Tivo and DTV. I like to keep up on division rivals. I do the same for the Jags and the Colts.

So you feel like you'd have better insight than people who track them all year long?

We have enough fans that think the team isn't/ may not do that well this season...

Why on earth would we need to get that kind of insight from fans of other teams when we have people who follow the team more closely giving varying opinions ?

That'd be like me going to the Titans board and giving my opinion on the team and expecting people to take me serious....I would be shocked if they did....even though I watch about 5 or 6 Titans games a year...

Blazing Arrow

06-15-2007, 02:56 PM

So you feel like you'd have better insight than people who track them all year long?

Not at all but I also get sick of reading stuff like "Justin Gage is the next DMac" and calls to get Jmac back.

Double Barrel

06-15-2007, 03:05 PM

You did not pull the wow is me card did you? Seriously?

I am not a grammar/spelling nazi in any regard. But I just wanted to make sure you meant "woe is me" and not "wow". It kind of changes the point of your post.

I appreciate your football takes, because you do seem to keep within the X's & O's of analysis.

I just get tired of the constant nonsense of unknown proportions regarding Carr and Schaub, as well as the rest of the team. There is good reason why Schaub has always been a backup in ATL, and that reason is directly related to the owner of the Falcons and their marquee player. When football "fans" come here and try to spout nonsense about something they are ignorant about, the routine gets old.

Criticize or praise a player, coach or system all you want, but the blatant generalized statements born from a lack of knowledge receives very little respect. I'm not painting you with that brush, but you probably understand getting the baby thrown out with the bathwater when you're a rival fan on a team's board.

Texan_Bill

06-15-2007, 03:06 PM

See if you had replied to him with something in this tone this thread would have completely changed.
.

Actually, if you go back and read, I didn't say anything deragotory in my first 2 or 3 replies to him... It wasn't until I made the joke about Lendale "I never met a buffet I didn't like before" White when he got pissy.... It went downhill from there.

Blazing Arrow

06-15-2007, 03:13 PM

Yeah i guess I was generalizing because the post I quoted was the next post after PB. I am sure PB is over it and probably laughing it off by now.

ChildressTitanMan

06-15-2007, 03:15 PM

That'd be like me going to the Titans board and giving my opinion on the team and expecting people to take me serious....I would be shocked if they did....even though I watch about 5 or 6 Titans games a year...

Dude imagine how many 'VY is god I think I'll start watching football' noobs have turned up at GoTitans forum. Knowledgeable rival fans are always welcome,especially divisional rivals. Some morons will hate on you but not many.

Honestly I will admit I watch about 6~8 Texans games a season. I like to keep up on division rivals. I do the same for the Jags and the Colts.

I do the same for the Texans & Colts but the Jags I can't do it. Now there's a team in need of a QB but Del Rio can't seem to see it.Why I have no idea.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/pubrel/trojan_family/winter03/delrio_files/action_002.jpeghttp://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r5/Childress79/youngfrank20.jpg

Texan_Bill

06-15-2007, 03:18 PM

Dude imagine how many 'VY is god I think I'll start watching football' noobs have turned up at GoTitans forum. Knowledgeable rival fans are always welcome,especially divisional rivals. Some morons will hate on you but not many.

I do the same for the Texans & Colts but the Jags I can't do it. Now there's a team in need of a QB but Del Rio can't seem to see it.Why I have no idea.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/pubrel/trojan_family/winter03/delrio_files/action_002.jpeghttp://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r5/Childress79/youngfrank20.jpg

Props.... I can always appreciate someone working in a Young Frankenstein reference...

Texan_Bill

06-15-2007, 03:18 PM

Yeah i guess I was generalizing because the post I quoted was the next post after PB. I am sure PB is over it and probably laughing it off by now.

I'm sure he is too. No worries!!

Bipolar The Titan

06-15-2007, 03:29 PM

Confusion is expected by those who use stats as their 'guiding light'.

PitBull, does that remind you of anyone from goTitans?:worm:

PitBull

06-15-2007, 05:24 PM

right when i thought this thread was done it turns out to have just began..

What was that about anyway? comeon now, i've seen much warmer welcomes from almost every other rival board i've visited. Heck, many Texans seem to have a good time when they visit Titans boards.

I really do want to say that a rival visiting a rival board is almost guaranteed to face hostility however its not always that way. The hostility here did seem a bit odd. I'm not sure how a discussion about Schaub vs. Carr warranted such responses.. I'm looking back at the thread right now to try to figure it out yet i remain puzzled.

Nontheless its all good. I'm not one to cry over spilt milk.
I'm can also imagine that you're not too.

PitBull

06-15-2007, 05:25 PM

PitBull, does that remind you of anyone from goTitans?:worm:

lool... Rolltide?

powerfuldragon

06-15-2007, 05:27 PM

haha, i never noticed the similarity between del rio and marty feldman until now.

Honoring Earl 34

06-15-2007, 05:27 PM

You could put Carr in a thread about Mother Theresa and cause a fight .

Double Barrel

06-15-2007, 05:27 PM

I really do want to say that a rival visiting a rival board is almost guaranteed to face hostility however its not always that way. The hostility here did seem a bit odd. I'm not sure how a discussion about Schaub vs. Carr warranted such responses.. I'm looking back at the thread right now to try to figure it out yet i remain puzzled.

yeah, I can't imagine what could have sparked any negative feelings from Texans fans in this thread... :um:

http://images.sportinglife.com/07/03/330/MattSchaub_209601.jpg

Carr 2.0

PitBull

06-15-2007, 05:34 PM

yeah, I can't imagine what could have sparked any negative feelings from Texans fans in this thread... :um:

I was actually talking more about my posts..

Yet i really don't see how BIP's image would be looked at in anyway other than pure comedy and not taken to heart..
Relax Double Barrel.. i've seen worse images and graphics posted on our board by rivals which were accepted as comedy and left to rot on that same page.

Double Barrel

06-15-2007, 05:38 PM

I'm a pretty relaxed dude, so I take it all in stride. I was just pointing out a potential answer to your question, but did not realize you were only speaking about your posts.

As far as worse images on your board, that's what happens when you don't have any standards. :howdy:

PitBull

06-15-2007, 05:45 PM

As far as worse images on your board, that's what happens when you don't have any standards. :howdy:

If your interpretation of 'standards' is over-reacting with madness and hostility.. well thats a whole different case and an attitude i'm glad i don't have..

Yet I'm sure you didn't mean it like that... did you? :howdy:

Double Barrel

06-15-2007, 06:02 PM

If your interpretation of 'standards' is over-reacting with madness and hostility.. well thats a whole different case and an attitude i'm glad i don't have..

No, I'm sure that would never happen on a Titans board. :rolleyes:

Yet i really don't see how BIP's image would be looked at in anyway other than pure comedy and not taken to heart..

You severely underestimate the hostility and burnout that the Carr Wars has ingrained into Texans fans. :shades:

Specnatz

06-15-2007, 06:47 PM

Yet i really don't see how BIP's image would be looked at in anyway other than pure comedy and not taken to heart..

So if anyone post an image of vy and saying so easy a caveman could do it but with his wonderlic score vy couldn't, you would take that as pure comedy?

I do not believe that for one second and I doubt anyone else does either. If pitt had a long standing as blaze, it might have been looked at differently but his very first post, 99% of people are going to think he is a troll and he is just being an ass.

Overalls

06-15-2007, 07:41 PM

If pitt had a long standing as blaze, it might have been looked at differently but his very first post, 99% of people are going to think he is a troll and he is just being an ass.

Us Trolls are like that. Those of us that hang around tend to grow on you. I have been threatened with banishment on 3 Titans boards but have had long time posters that "get it" defend me.

real

06-15-2007, 07:44 PM

So if anyone post an image of vy and saying so easy a caveman could do it but with his wonderlic score vy couldn't, you would take that as pure comedy?

I do not believe that for one second and I doubt anyone else does either. If pitt had a long standing as blaze, it might have been looked at differently but his very first post, 99% of people are going to think he is a troll and he is just being an ass.

Totally unrelated to this thread, but did you come over from the ESPN boards ?

Blazing Arrow

06-15-2007, 08:09 PM

So if anyone post an image of vy and saying so easy a caveman could do it but with his wonderlic score vy couldn't, you would take that as pure comedy?

You mean something like ......

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u13/BlazingArrow24/shammy.jpg

That one was care of PB from a while ago.

aj.

06-15-2007, 08:17 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v378/aj_texans/0715177copy.jpg

Specnatz

06-15-2007, 10:41 PM

Totally unrelated to this thread, but did you come over from the ESPN boards ?

a while back because i did not know this was here or I should say the old houston texans board.

Double Barrel

06-16-2007, 02:09 AM

Funny picture, aj! :heh:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u13/BlazingArrow24/shammy.jpg

This has to be one of the worst editing jobs that I've ever seen. Kinda' sad, really.

real

06-16-2007, 05:34 AM

a while back because i did not know this was here or I should say the old houston texans board.

Did you follow my spam ?

Blazing Arrow

06-16-2007, 10:44 AM

This has to be one of the worst editing jobs that I've ever seen. Kinda' sad, really.

Yeah but it gets a point across. :texflag:

Specnatz

06-16-2007, 11:40 AM

Did you follow my spam ?

Not sure whose spam I followed :user:

smitty46953

06-16-2007, 11:42 AM

You mean something like ......

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u13/BlazingArrow24/shammy.jpg

That one was care of PB from a while ago.

Schaub is going to wish he was back in Atlanta... Watching Vick is better than :gun:

HuttoKarl

06-16-2007, 12:06 PM

AFC South fans outside of Houston are going to wish Schaub (not Schwab, Schuab, shaub..etc...) was back in ATL too. They're not going to know what to do with a QB in a Texans uni who can actually read a defense and call an audible, two things Carr couldn't do to save his life.

Honoring Earl 34

06-16-2007, 01:25 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v378/aj_texans/0715177copy.jpg

Now that's just to funny . :whip:

ps Caddy will buy extra copies for 100$ each .

BattleRedToro

06-16-2007, 01:48 PM

All I want to say on the subject is, I'm tired of people ragging on the Texans for picking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush or Vince Young and stating that Mario's low sack number is indicative of him being a bust as if Reggie's low yards per carry average and Vince's QB rating were not also subpar. If people were honest about it all three of them performed well below players like Maurice Jones-Drew and DeMeco Ryans. In addition, Jones-Drew was robbed of the Offensive Rookie of the Year award.

It is plainly obvious to me that the NFL is trying to manufacture a new "cash cow" superstar in Vince Young. He in no way deserved to be the Offensive Rookie of the Year or play in the Pro Bowl even as an alternate. I'm sorry but all QB's are given too much credit when their teams win as well as too much blame when their teams lose, and his team's record was the justification used by his supporters for why he was given the Offensive Rookie of the Year award or deserved to be an alternate for the Pro Bowl. They couldn't use his statistics as a reason because like Mario and Reggie they were not satisfactory.

I can't wait until the NFL season starts. Then, we will see how Vince, Reggie and Mario perform. It is quite possible that Mario will outperform the rest of the Class of 2006 in their second season, then what will the naysayers have to say.

infantrycak

06-16-2007, 01:49 PM

Funny coincidence with the hair cut deal is Vick swore he wouldn't cut his hair until the Falcons won the SB. He just gave up and had it cut a few weeks ago.

Double Barrel

06-16-2007, 02:25 PM

Yeah but it gets a point across. :texflag:

What point? That Titans fan can't use Photoshop?

It's funny in a way that we get a new QB, and you expect the same old thing. It indicates that you either don't know as much about football as you think, or, you do not comprehend critical analysis of our previous QB (which means that you don't know as much about football as you think). I'm not sure which since I don't know you that well...yet.

BattleRedToro

06-16-2007, 02:35 PM

What point? That Titans fan can't use Photoshop?

It's funny in a way that we get a new QB, and you expect the same old thing. It indicates that you either don't know as much about football as you think, or, you do not comprehend critical analysis of our previous QB (which means that you don't know as much about football as you think). I'm not sure which since I don't know you that well...yet.

It could mean that he believes that the QB change is irrelevant because the pass protection provided by the Offensive Line is too bad to be able to notice the differences in the QB's

Bipolar The Titan

06-16-2007, 03:05 PM

Or maybe Schwab is so unproven it is ridiculous to expect anything.

2 starts?
161 career pass attempts?
84 career completions for a 52.2% completion percentage and 69.2 passer rating?

I'll admit that 1033 passing yards with 6 touchdowns, even paired with 6 interceptions is impressive on some level. I like his stat line against the Patriots during the 2005 season. Nearly 300 yards passing with a 112.1 passer rating. He was sacked 3 times in that loss. He hasn't started continually and when he has he hasn't won. He's showed some grit and put up some numbers, but this isn't nearly enough to categorize it as a seasoned vet who steps in and turns things around.

Honoring Earl 34

06-16-2007, 03:12 PM

Matt Schaub came out and said the strength of the offense is the OL . I don't know if he believes it but he scored points . If anything he's smart . You know he read some of Carolina Carrs statements and is covering for his guys .

I think the OL got better the day Carr left . If anything ... like the fans ... they have a renewed since of hope . Schaub seems to have what Carr lacked and a big arm is'nt as important as a big mind .

What can the Titans fans say anyway ... they had a terrible offseason . Oh by the way you better hope Bud's not going back to his old self and going cheap . He may think that VY is all you need to sell tickets .

Honoring Earl 34

06-16-2007, 03:15 PM

Or maybe Schwab is so unproven it is ridiculous to expect anything.

Every great player took an unproven step . I think he's less of a risk than Brady Quinn would be . He's been in the NFL 3 years and has run the WCO for 6 years ... hmmmm ... he'll be up and running by training camp , full playbook and all .

Blazing Arrow

06-16-2007, 04:05 PM

What point? That Titans fan can't use Photoshop?

It's funny in a way that we get a new QB, and you expect the same old thing. It indicates that you either don't know as much about football as you think, or, you do not comprehend critical analysis of our previous QB (which means that you don't know as much about football as you think). I'm not sure which since I don't know you that well...yet.

Is that all you got? You use that on pittbull you use that on me. The fact is you have a slower less mobile QB behind an O-line that collapses on a regular basis. Shammy had a decent line in Atlanta that kept active. How is he going to handle pressure on every play? How is it going to be in those 3rd and long sets? There is not much game film on Shammy but there is plenty on the Texans O-line.

BattleRedToro

06-16-2007, 04:28 PM

There is not much game film on Shammy but there is plenty on the Texans O-line.

Yes there is plenty of film on the Texans O-Line, and unbiased eyes can see the repeated multiple simultaneous breakdowns in pass protection against the most basic pass rushes and equate that to mean the Offensive Line needs improvement. Biased eyes look at that and say the QB sucks.

real

06-16-2007, 04:35 PM

Is that all you got? You use that on pittbull you use that on me. The fact is you have a slower less mobile QB behind an O-line that collapses on a regular basis. Shammy had a decent line in Atlanta that kept active. How is he going to handle pressure on every play? How is it going to be in those 3rd and long sets? There is not much game film on Shammy but there is plenty on the Texans O-line.

Ignorance is bliss.

LOL @ you for thinking speed and mobility is what causes less sacks.
You are the type of fan that feeds too much into the ESPN hype and doesn't have a clue about how an offense work. I really don't care what your response is to that, because after this ignorant post, I'm convinced. Not much game film on Schaub, but plenty on our O-line....Yeah sure...I really don't understand the point of saying that though, because it's not like you have studied any of it, and if you did, it's overly obvious that you wouldn't even know what to look for...So as of right now, you're going on here say and using it as your own argument...which is borderline plagiarism....and that's...well....sad

Someone told me you were a knowledgeable possum hollar dweller...I no longer believe that after reading this post. Good luck